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| Started by | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| First post | 2025-07-27 03:11 -0400 |
| Last post | 2025-07-29 21:47 +0100 |
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Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-07-27 03:11 -0400
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-27 12:05 +0100
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-07-27 17:53 -0400
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-07-28 05:13 +0000
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-07-28 02:34 -0400
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-07-28 20:59 +0000
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-28 22:28 +0100
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-07-28 14:15 +0200
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-19 02:42 +0000
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-28 13:18 +0100
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-07-29 03:35 -0400
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-07-29 19:39 +0000
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-07-29 09:46 +0200
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-07-29 09:56 +0100
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-07-29 20:33 +0200
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-19 02:46 +0000
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2025-07-29 09:14 +1000
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-19 02:41 +0000
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2025-08-21 07:48 +1000
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-21 03:50 -0400
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2025-08-22 09:10 +1000
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-07-27 14:06 +0200
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-07-27 18:21 +0000
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-07-27 18:00 -0400
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-07-28 05:10 +0000
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-28 13:24 +0100
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-07-29 03:38 -0400
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-29 10:50 +0100
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-07-29 10:57 +0100
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-29 13:10 +0100
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-07-29 14:13 +0200
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-07-29 19:46 +0000
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-29 21:16 +0100
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-07-30 00:30 +0000
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-07-30 00:35 +0000
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-07-29 17:51 -0700
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-07-30 04:44 +0000
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-07-30 02:03 -0400
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-30 11:22 +0100
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-07-30 18:24 +0000
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-07-30 23:36 -0400
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-07-31 06:31 +0000
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-31 13:50 +0100
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-07-30 07:46 -0700
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-07-30 02:21 -0400
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-30 11:25 +0100
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-07-30 19:13 +0000
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-31 01:02 +0100
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-07-31 03:18 +0000
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-31 13:39 +0100
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-07-30 18:36 +0000
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-07-30 06:31 +0000
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-30 11:28 +0100
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-07-30 19:24 +0000
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-07-29 10:16 -0700
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-07-29 19:35 +0200
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-29 20:35 +0100
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-07-30 00:28 +0000
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-07-29 19:50 +0000
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-29 21:19 +0100
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-07-30 17:40 +0200
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-31 00:56 +0100
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-07-31 06:01 +0200
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-07-27 22:21 -0400
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-07-28 05:17 +0000
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-28 13:26 +0100
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-07-28 15:56 +0100
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-28 16:54 +0100
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-07-29 09:50 +0200
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-29 10:57 +0100
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-07-27 17:49 +0100
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-07-27 17:55 -0400
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-07-27 22:37 -0400
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-07-28 06:34 +0100
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-07-28 03:28 -0400
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-07-28 08:36 +0100
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-28 13:29 +0100
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-07-29 04:05 -0400
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-29 11:08 +0100
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved Fritz Wuehler <fritz@spamexpire-202507.rodent.frell.theremailer.net> - 2025-07-29 13:45 +0200
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2025-07-30 08:59 +1000
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-07-28 21:46 +0000
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-07-29 09:52 +0200
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-29 10:59 +0100
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-07-29 20:39 +0200
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-29 21:03 +0100
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-07-30 08:12 +0000
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-30 11:30 +0100
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-07-30 19:33 +0000
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-07-30 22:20 +0200
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-07-31 03:21 +0000
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-07-31 06:01 +0200
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-07-31 06:23 +0000
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-31 13:58 +0100
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-31 14:44 +0100
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-07-31 19:39 +0000
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-07-31 19:27 +0000
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-31 14:04 +0100
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-07-31 19:49 +0000
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-07-31 22:49 -0400
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-01 08:11 +0100
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-01 14:07 +0200
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-01 18:00 +0100
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-01 19:58 +0200
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-01 20:37 +0000
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-02 03:36 +0200
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-02 06:23 +0000
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-02 02:34 -0400
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-02 14:05 +0200
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-02 14:35 +0100
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-02 21:25 -0400
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-03 05:48 +0000
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-03 01:53 -0400
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2025-08-03 03:36 +0000
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-03 01:25 -0400
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-03 05:43 +0000
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-02 20:01 +0000
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-02 22:56 +0200
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-03 05:34 +0000
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-08-03 08:53 -0400
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-03 17:38 +0000
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-03 08:26 +0100
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-03 04:06 -0400
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-03 09:50 +0100
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-02 21:09 -0400
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-03 15:54 +0200
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-07-31 20:01 +0200
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-07-30 23:25 -0400
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-07-31 06:35 +0000
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-07-30 17:43 +0200
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-28 13:27 +0100
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-07-28 08:44 -0700
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-28 16:56 +0100
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-07-29 14:23 +0200
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-29 13:40 +0100
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-07-29 20:42 +0200
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-29 21:11 +0100
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-07-30 17:43 +0200
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-07-31 00:09 -0400
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-07-31 20:07 +0200
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-07-31 19:55 +0000
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-07-31 22:25 +0200
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2025-08-01 09:09 +1000
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-01 00:54 -0400
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-01 08:35 +0100
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-01 01:44 +0000
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-07-31 22:52 -0400
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-01 08:25 +0100
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-01 08:14 +0100
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-02 01:34 -0400
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-08-04 08:50 -0700
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-04 19:00 +0100
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-08-04 11:11 -0700
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-05 11:01 +0100
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-05 12:32 +0200
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-05 11:47 +0100
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-05 12:58 +0200
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-05 12:58 +0100
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-05 21:32 +0200
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-08-05 15:20 +0200
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-05 21:25 +0200
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-08-06 07:48 +0200
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-06 12:52 +0200
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-08-06 13:52 +0200
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-06 14:20 +0200
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-08-06 16:07 +0200
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-08-05 15:20 +0200
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-05 14:49 +0100
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-08-05 15:19 +0200
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-08-05 15:18 +0200
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-05 14:38 +0100
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-05 21:27 +0200
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-05 20:44 +0100
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-06 12:57 +0200
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-06 12:02 +0100
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-06 14:23 +0200
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-06 13:33 +0100
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-06 15:55 +0100
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-06 16:23 +0100
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-08-06 07:49 +0200
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de> - 2025-08-06 08:21 +0200
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-08-06 11:11 +0200
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de> - 2025-08-06 12:08 +0200
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-06 11:18 +0100
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-08-06 13:53 +0200
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-08-06 13:52 +0200
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-07-29 22:18 +0200
Re: Minor Update - ATT Wireless Internet - SOME Issues Solved The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-29 21:47 +0100
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2025-08-03 17:38 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <mf9l3uFihkaU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #70293 |
On Sun, 3 Aug 2025 08:53:22 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom wrote: > <https://healthyworker.wordpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/ osha_cowboy.jpg> Sadly true. We were written up for a water cooler that was plugged into an ungrounded receptacle. It was plumbed in with copper hardline and was probably the best grounded thing in the shop. No mention of spray painting without a booth, masks, or ventilation, arc welding without screens, casual use of solvents, and a slew of other stuff. It was like his little bureaucratic mind had a checklist of potential violations and if it wasn't on the list it didn't exist.
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-08-03 08:26 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <106n2uc$1g0nt$4@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #70266 |
On 02/08/2025 21:01, rbowman wrote: > Some of the jobs seemed suitable for strong backs and weak minds but > people took pride in doing them well and efficiently. I wonder how much of > that exists anymore. Go to any gym... -- I would rather have questions that cannot be answered... ...than to have answers that cannot be questioned Richard Feynman
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2025-08-03 04:06 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <2N6cnRlRAJ0QhRL1nZ2dnZfqn_adnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #70285 |
On 8/3/25 3:26 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > On 02/08/2025 21:01, rbowman wrote: >> Some of the jobs seemed suitable for strong backs and weak minds but >> people took pride in doing them well and efficiently. I wonder how >> much of >> that exists anymore. > > Go to any gym... Don't confuse "vanity buff" with the mindset needed for hard/nasty labor.
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-08-03 09:50 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <106n7ro$1gv3g$4@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #70287 |
On 03/08/2025 09:06, c186282 wrote: > On 8/3/25 3:26 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >> On 02/08/2025 21:01, rbowman wrote: >>> Some of the jobs seemed suitable for strong backs and weak minds but >>> people took pride in doing them well and efficiently. I wonder how >>> much of >>> that exists anymore. >> >> Go to any gym... > > Don't confuse "vanity buff" with the > mindset needed for hard/nasty labor. You didn't say that, you said strong backs and weak minds. Sounds like the average jock to me... -- "When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are all in confederacy against him." Jonathan Swift.
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2025-08-02 21:09 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <6pecnQsk9t1bKxP1nZ2dnZfqnPadnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #70259 |
On 8/2/25 8:05 AM, Carlos E.R. wrote: > On 2025-08-02 08:34, c186282 wrote: >> On 8/1/25 1:58 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote: >>> On 2025-08-01 19:00, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >>>> On 01/08/2025 13:07, Carlos E.R. wrote: >>>>> On 2025-08-01 04:49, c186282 wrote: >>>>>> On 7/31/25 3:49 PM, rbowman wrote: >>>>>>> On Thu, 31 Jul 2025 14:04:02 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Got my 5G booster device. Alas gotta drill a hole in >>>>>> my old, basically solid-poured concrete, house to >>>>>> hold the outside antenna. While nothing in the >>>>>> printed docs there's a small-print sticker on the >>>>>> thing saying I'm supposed to "register" it with >>>>>> my provider. Kinda too much work ... >>>>>> >>>>>> May not proceed. >>>>> >>>>> I had visitors from over the pond. They saw me drilling holes in my >>>>> brick and concrete walls (to hang some new curtains), they were >>>>> astonished. >>>>> >>>>> Piece of cake :-p >>>>> >>>> Clearly they weren't from Germany ir the Uk then :0) >>> >>> Mind you, I saw my father make holes with a bit and a hammer to hang >>> a picture, and it was dreary work⁽¹⁾. An hour or two. He only had a >>> hand powered drill. Now, when he finally bought a small electric >>> drill, that made a whooping difference. And much later, I bought a >>> drill with hammering function, lots better/faster. That's when it >>> became a piece of cake :-) >> >> A modern 'hammer drill' makes quick work of stone. >> You can start with like a 1/4" hole and then a >> larger bit as needed. >> >> Note that not THAT long ago there were no electric >> or other drills. You had a steel shaft with a hard >> shaped tip - and hammered, twisted, hammered, twisted, >> could take all day. 'Labor' was CHEAP then. > > Yes, that's exactly what I saw my father doing, just for hanging a > picture on the wall, so not a wide hole. Maybe 1970. > >> >>> (1) Of course, a large hammer would do a hole much faster, but then >>> you had to fill the resulting big hole with plaster or cement with a >>> small wood cylinder inside, where the nail would go. >> >> Spray foam works well. A good grade ordinary >> sheet foam works well too ... wrap it around a >> wire and then force it into the hole. Some use >> 'putty' - good - or silicone goop (degrades in >> about 10 years). > > Back then we did not know of those products. Spain was very backward. > Consider that my father made by hand wood cylinders instead of plastic > wall studs. Maybe OK in the average Spanish climate. Somewhere that is very humid a lot of the time the wood will go soft or rot or distort or be eaten by insects and fungus. Metal studs are yer best bet. Plastic can be fair, but continues to self-catalyze until it gets brittle in 10-25 years.
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-08-03 15:54 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <4964mlxcam.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #70272 |
On 2025-08-03 03:09, c186282 wrote: > On 8/2/25 8:05 AM, Carlos E.R. wrote: >> On 2025-08-02 08:34, c186282 wrote: >> Back then we did not know of those products. Spain was very backward. >> Consider that my father made by hand wood cylinders instead of plastic >> wall studs. > > Maybe OK in the average Spanish climate. Somewhere that > is very humid a lot of the time the wood will go soft > or rot or distort or be eaten by insects and fungus. > Metal studs are yer best bet. Plastic can be fair, but > continues to self-catalyze until it gets brittle in > 10-25 years. It is quite humid here, we are on the seaside. At my father beach place aluminum would rot. But some of the nails in my house are still held by those wood or plastic things. I had to replace some for some other reason and they were fine. Plastic equivalents: Modern: <https://www.google.com/imgres?q=tacos%20para%20pared&imgurl=https%3A%2F%2Fm.media-amazon.com%2Fimages%2FI%2F61SY2R0mQlS.jpg&imgrefurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.amazon.es%2FFischer-M74318-Taco-nylon-fischer%2Fdp%2FB00409UOMG&docid=un7Jt0Ejq5SYfM&tbnid=FJdKHiIMTu0zaM&vet=12ahUKEwjdmrae5O6OAxVncvEDHfzwLGwQM3oECCkQAA..i&w=2048&h=2048&hcb=2&ved=2ahUKEwjdmrae5O6OAxVncvEDHfzwLGwQM3oECCkQAA> Old: <https://www.google.com/imgres?q=tacos%20para%20pared&imgurl=https%3A%2F%2Fstorage.googleapis.com%2Fcatalog-pictures-carrefour-es%2Fcatalog%2Fpictures%2Fhd_510x_%2F8413473012050_1.jpg&imgrefurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.carrefour.es%2Ftaco-pared-05x21-blanco-b-25%2F8413473012050%2Fp&docid=TAEILxCbFExB-M&tbnid=nt8fr9n60biIMM&vet=12ahUKEwjdmrae5O6OAxVncvEDHfzwLGwQM3oECCoQAA..i&w=500&h=500&hcb=2&ved=2ahUKEwjdmrae5O6OAxVncvEDHfzwLGwQM3oECCoQAA> -- Cheers, Carlos.
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-07-31 20:01 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <7knsllxgv8.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #70184 |
On 2025-07-31 08:23, rbowman wrote: > I'm not saying high speed fiber is never useful but for many people their > day to day use may not make use of its potential. This phenomenon applies > to many things. It is nice that when one needs a DVD it downloads in few minutes, not many minutes, nor hours :-) Although being GPON I can do that while the other residents are not busy. -- Cheers, Carlos.
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2025-07-30 23:25 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <1gudndT175q7fxf1nZ2dnZfqn_SdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #70158 |
On 7/30/25 3:33 PM, rbowman wrote: > On 30 Jul 2025 08:12:31 GMT, vallor wrote: > >> Finally got fiber in our neighborhood. 10Gbps symmetric. > > We've got a big pipe at work but I don't see all that much difference for > many things. Patch Tuesday is almost as painful, and is downloading isos > and so forth. I don't stream 4k videos where it might make a difference. The OTHER END has to SUPPLY the data at your speed if you want to see any advantage. This is decidedly NOT always the case. You could have a terabit pipe, but if Deb or wherever only supplies 50mbs then that's what you're stuck with.
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2025-07-31 06:35 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <mf0h5dF12k8U12@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #70179 |
On Wed, 30 Jul 2025 23:25:26 -0400, c186282 wrote: > On 7/30/25 3:33 PM, rbowman wrote: >> On 30 Jul 2025 08:12:31 GMT, vallor wrote: >> >>> Finally got fiber in our neighborhood. 10Gbps symmetric. >> >> We've got a big pipe at work but I don't see all that much difference >> for many things. Patch Tuesday is almost as painful, and is downloading >> isos and so forth. I don't stream 4k videos where it might make a >> difference. > > The OTHER END has to SUPPLY the data at your speed if you want to see > any advantage. This is decidedly NOT always the case. You could have > a terabit pipe, > but if Deb or wherever only supplies 50mbs then that's what you're > stuck with. Precisely. I wasn't too clear but that is the point I was trying to make. The greatest 5G technology in the world doesn't really matter when you're listening to elevator music on hold.
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| From | Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> |
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| Date | 2025-07-30 17:43 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <106dei5$jhs$1@news1.tnib.de> |
| In reply to | #70104 |
The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote: >On 29/07/2025 19:39, Marc Haber wrote: >> The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote: >>> All I have is a fibre NTE box on the wall that tales power and has an >>> Ethernet socket. It does PPPoE presentation to my ISP. >> >> Likely just a media converter. > >Well I call it a modem. That makes you pretty clearly a person from the day before yesterday who is unwilling to realize that the world has moved on. You can do that. >But yes, it encrypts Ethernet packets over an optical medium, >And the next 50km or so they are just passive optical signals. You didn't mention that you were on GPON. Or at least I didnt see that. > Fiber is so new in Germany that there >> is no universal standard yet, so ISPs try to mask that complexity away >> by also supplying the router. Our regulator is pushing back hard to >> allow the more savvy users to choose their own router. >> >The universal standard is GPON, but of course you dont need to stick to it. Our market hasn't fully decided on that yet. Especially smaller operators still patch you through to active equipment, probably in the hope that they can run business access over the same infrastructure. Greetings Marc -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Marc Haber | " Questions are the | Mailadresse im Header Rhein-Neckar, DE | Beginning of Wisdom " | Nordisch by Nature | Lt. Worf, TNG "Rightful Heir" | Fon: *49 6224 1600402
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-07-28 13:27 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <1067qbh$24u7g$9@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #69997 |
On 28/07/2025 06:34, Andy Burns wrote: > c186282 wrote: > >> Anyway, previous routers, 20 years back, this always >> "just worked" and you never had to think about it. >> If it's plugged into my 8-port hub I want to to be >> accessible wired AND to the wifi units. > > As a last resort, you could disable (or disregard) the router's own > wifi, and plug your own access point into one of the 8 ports. > I've got two wired up like that. -- Ideas are more powerful than guns. We would not let our enemies have guns, why should we let them have ideas? Josef Stalin
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| From | John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2025-07-28 08:44 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <20250728084420.00001730@gmail.com> |
| In reply to | #69956 |
On Sun, 27 Jul 2025 03:11:54 -0400 c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote: > Anyway, note previous post, all of my IOT devices seem to have > magically come back on line, despite the router base address being > different (and apparently un-resettable - my old was 192.168.0.3 > for historic reasons, new is locked to .0.254 The new-improved router > is, naturally, more STUPID than its precedessor) and I see that > getting WORSE AND WORSE over time. > > REMAINING weird issue - stuff plugged into the hardwire ports on the > new router do NOT appear in its wireless universe. Never seen that > before. No obvious way, or advice, about how to combine the > universes. I have some devices I WANT to be hardwire for > speed/security reasons. I learned some years ago that it's just never worth it trying to set up a sane network configuration on the provider's modem/router - I use it strictly as a pipe to the Internet and hang my own router off of that for the local network. Doesn't mean *never* having to touch the telco's router config - some providers do shameless man-in-the-middle stuff now in the name of "security" unless you turn that off - but it does mean I can configure my home network any damn way I want.
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-07-28 16:56 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <10686js$273fk$5@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #70019 |
On 28/07/2025 16:44, John Ames wrote: > On Sun, 27 Jul 2025 03:11:54 -0400 > c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote: > >> Anyway, note previous post, all of my IOT devices seem to have >> magically come back on line, despite the router base address being >> different (and apparently un-resettable - my old was 192.168.0.3 >> for historic reasons, new is locked to .0.254 The new-improved router >> is, naturally, more STUPID than its precedessor) and I see that >> getting WORSE AND WORSE over time. >> >> REMAINING weird issue - stuff plugged into the hardwire ports on the >> new router do NOT appear in its wireless universe. Never seen that >> before. No obvious way, or advice, about how to combine the >> universes. I have some devices I WANT to be hardwire for >> speed/security reasons. > > I learned some years ago that it's just never worth it trying to set up > a sane network configuration on the provider's modem/router - I use it > strictly as a pipe to the Internet and hang my own router off of that > for the local network. Doesn't mean *never* having to touch the telco's > router config - some providers do shameless man-in-the-middle stuff now > in the name of "security" unless you turn that off - but it does mean I > can configure my home network any damn way I want. > That's why I love my ISP. they give me a name, a password and a static IP address. And the best technical support ever. And that is it. They will do a basic email account if you want it but I never used it -- Truth welcomes investigation because truth knows investigation will lead to converts. It is deception that uses all the other techniques.
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-07-29 14:23 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <q3rmllx5u6.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #70021 |
On 2025-07-28 17:56, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > On 28/07/2025 16:44, John Ames wrote: >> On Sun, 27 Jul 2025 03:11:54 -0400 >> c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote: >> >>> Anyway, note previous post, all of my IOT devices seem to have >>> magically come back on line, despite the router base address being >>> different (and apparently un-resettable - my old was 192.168.0.3 >>> for historic reasons, new is locked to .0.254 The new-improved router >>> is, naturally, more STUPID than its precedessor) and I see that >>> getting WORSE AND WORSE over time. >>> >>> REMAINING weird issue - stuff plugged into the hardwire ports on the >>> new router do NOT appear in its wireless universe. Never seen that >>> before. No obvious way, or advice, about how to combine the >>> universes. I have some devices I WANT to be hardwire for >>> speed/security reasons. >> >> I learned some years ago that it's just never worth it trying to set up >> a sane network configuration on the provider's modem/router - I use it >> strictly as a pipe to the Internet and hang my own router off of that >> for the local network. Doesn't mean *never* having to touch the telco's >> router config - some providers do shameless man-in-the-middle stuff now >> in the name of "security" unless you turn that off - but it does mean I >> can configure my home network any damn way I want. >> > > That's why I love my ISP. they give me a name, a password and a static > IP address. > And the best technical support ever. Would not work over here. My ISP router does POTS, TV, and internet. The input is optical (no separate ONT). And the documentation is secret or hard do find, so replacing with your own router is not easy. > > And that is it. They will do a basic email account if you want it but I > never used it > > -- Cheers, Carlos.
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-07-29 13:40 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <106afgd$2kabq$6@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #70081 |
On 29/07/2025 13:23, Carlos E.R. wrote: > On 2025-07-28 17:56, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >> On 28/07/2025 16:44, John Ames wrote: >>> On Sun, 27 Jul 2025 03:11:54 -0400 >>> c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote: >>> >>>> Anyway, note previous post, all of my IOT devices seem to have >>>> magically come back on line, despite the router base address being >>>> different (and apparently un-resettable - my old was 192.168.0.3 >>>> for historic reasons, new is locked to .0.254 The new-improved router >>>> is, naturally, more STUPID than its precedessor) and I see that >>>> getting WORSE AND WORSE over time. >>>> >>>> REMAINING weird issue - stuff plugged into the hardwire ports on the >>>> new router do NOT appear in its wireless universe. Never seen that >>>> before. No obvious way, or advice, about how to combine the >>>> universes. I have some devices I WANT to be hardwire for >>>> speed/security reasons. >>> >>> I learned some years ago that it's just never worth it trying to set up >>> a sane network configuration on the provider's modem/router - I use it >>> strictly as a pipe to the Internet and hang my own router off of that >>> for the local network. Doesn't mean *never* having to touch the telco's >>> router config - some providers do shameless man-in-the-middle stuff now >>> in the name of "security" unless you turn that off - but it does mean I >>> can configure my home network any damn way I want. >>> >> >> That's why I love my ISP. they give me a name, a password and a static >> IP address. >> And the best technical support ever. > > Would not work over here. > > My ISP router does POTS, TV, and internet. The input is optical (no > separate ONT). And the documentation is secret or hard do find, so > replacing with your own router is not easy. > > Yes. The UK is somewhat ahead of the European countries I have visited. Germany is 've are ze state telecoms provider, , So We Vill gif you vot vurks for us, and fuck you. Scandinavia is better though. Spain is bad for electricity as well. But they are world leaders in solar panels that work at night :-) -- “when things get difficult you just have to lie” ― Jean Claud Jüncker
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| From | Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> |
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| Date | 2025-07-29 20:42 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <106b4nb$9bn4$1@news1.tnib.de> |
| In reply to | #70083 |
The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote: >Yes. The UK is somewhat ahead of the European countries I have visited. >Germany is 've are ze state telecoms provider, , So We Vill gif you vot >vurks for us, and fuck you. In Germany on DSL you have a broad choice of ISPs, some of them even knowing their trade and having decent support and supplying decent hardware (or giving freedom of choice). Not being able to choose the ISP is one of the biggest deterrent for moving to fiber. >Scandinavia is better though. Sweden and Switzerland are nice in the fiber market, yes. Easy choice of ISP. They have done something right. Greetings Marc -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Marc Haber | " Questions are the | Mailadresse im Header Rhein-Neckar, DE | Beginning of Wisdom " | Nordisch by Nature | Lt. Worf, TNG "Rightful Heir" | Fon: *49 6224 1600402
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-07-29 21:11 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <106b9sl$2r3s7$3@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #70094 |
On 29/07/2025 19:42, Marc Haber wrote: > The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote: >> Yes. The UK is somewhat ahead of the European countries I have visited. >> Germany is 've are ze state telecoms provider, , So We Vill gif you vot >> vurks for us, and fuck you. > > In Germany on DSL you have a broad choice of ISPs, some of them even > knowing their trade and having decent support and supplying decent > hardware (or giving freedom of choice). > > Not being able to choose the ISP is one of the biggest deterrent for > moving to fiber. > Well in the UK there is a distinction between the supplier of the fibre - mainly the heavily regulated rump of the old Post Office - and who it plugs into at the other end, so to speak. So my fibre is supplied by BT openreach - a strictly 'packets only to the ISP service' who are forced to sell to anyone who wants fibre connectivity at the same price. Other fibre providers exist, but only in major towns. They may or may not share their fibre. >> Scandinavia is better though. > > Sweden and Switzerland are nice in the fiber market, yes. Easy choice > of ISP. They have done something right. > Yes. I believe so. I think that in general the USA is worse than ANY European or SE Asian country. I dont like state *provided* monopolies, and the UK managed to arrive at a state *regulated* monopoly who get lumps of dosh handed out if they can guarantee 95% coverage at IIRC 20Mbps or higher., It seems to be about as good as it gets > Greetings > Marc -- "What do you think about Gay Marriage?" "I don't." "Don't what?" "Think about Gay Marriage."
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| From | Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> |
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| Date | 2025-07-30 17:43 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <106dejs$jk4$1@news1.tnib.de> |
| In reply to | #70106 |
The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote: >On 29/07/2025 19:42, Marc Haber wrote: >> The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote: >>> Yes. The UK is somewhat ahead of the European countries I have visited. >>> Germany is 've are ze state telecoms provider, , So We Vill gif you vot >>> vurks for us, and fuck you. >> >> In Germany on DSL you have a broad choice of ISPs, some of them even >> knowing their trade and having decent support and supplying decent >> hardware (or giving freedom of choice). >> >> Not being able to choose the ISP is one of the biggest deterrent for >> moving to fiber. >> >Well in the UK there is a distinction between the supplier of the fibre >- mainly the heavily regulated rump of the old Post Office - and who it >plugs into at the other end, so to speak. That is not the case in many fiber installations here. Greetings Marc -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Marc Haber | " Questions are the | Mailadresse im Header Rhein-Neckar, DE | Beginning of Wisdom " | Nordisch by Nature | Lt. Worf, TNG "Rightful Heir" | Fon: *49 6224 1600402
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2025-07-31 00:09 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <mpCdnbANc7YfcRf1nZ2dnZfqnPidnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #70151 |
On 7/30/25 11:43 AM, Marc Haber wrote: > The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote: >> On 29/07/2025 19:42, Marc Haber wrote: >>> The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote: >>>> Yes. The UK is somewhat ahead of the European countries I have visited. >>>> Germany is 've are ze state telecoms provider, , So We Vill gif you vot >>>> vurks for us, and fuck you. >>> >>> In Germany on DSL you have a broad choice of ISPs, some of them even >>> knowing their trade and having decent support and supplying decent >>> hardware (or giving freedom of choice). >>> >>> Not being able to choose the ISP is one of the biggest deterrent for >>> moving to fiber. >>> >> Well in the UK there is a distinction between the supplier of the fibre >> - mainly the heavily regulated rump of the old Post Office - and who it >> plugs into at the other end, so to speak. > > That is not the case in many fiber installations here. USA is more 'cowboy' in this respect. It's all private, competing, industry. In any specific locale your options may be a bit limited. However The State isn't too much involved at any level. AT&T abruptly cancelled my wired DSL-gen2 service - no notice, no transition time. Pissed me off ! Now have their 5G 'air' router. Problem ... where I am exactly it's amazing to see even three bars anywhere on the property. The router typically sees only ONE bar. Speed ... roughly the same as the old - and a bit cheaper - but STILL. All the local cell providers piggyback on the same towers so there's not gonna be any advantage in changing corps. ATT has more liberal billing plans too ... do NOT want to give anybody direct access to bank routing numbers ... NO legal protections as seen with CCs. Did direct back in the AOL/Compuserve days - NEVER again ! Did order a 5G booster unit - it'll arrive in a few days. There's ONE small location where I tend to see three bars. It'll go there. I'll report if the actual data speed improves. Alt is a 'dish'-type service. Poorer plans but they just come and bolt an antenna to your house. Service reports vary ... likely geographic issues. There's also sat internet of course. Geo-sync sucks, too much travel path, and there's also StarLink. Dunno what happens to StarLink if some rad group kills off Elon though. SpaceX would be immediately nationalized, but StarLink ?
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-07-31 20:07 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <70osllxgv8.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #70183 |
On 2025-07-31 06:09, c186282 wrote: > On 7/30/25 11:43 AM, Marc Haber wrote: >> The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote: >>> On 29/07/2025 19:42, Marc Haber wrote: ... > USA is more 'cowboy' in this respect. It's all private, > competing, industry. In any specific locale your options > may be a bit limited. However The State isn't too much > involved at any level. > > AT&T abruptly cancelled my wired DSL-gen2 service - no > notice, no transition time. Pissed me off ! > > Now have their 5G 'air' router. Problem ... where I am > exactly it's amazing to see even three bars anywhere > on the property. The router typically sees only ONE bar. > Speed ... roughly the same as the old - and a bit cheaper - > but STILL. All the local cell providers piggyback on the > same towers so there's not gonna be any advantage in > changing corps. ATT has more liberal billing plans too ... > do NOT want to give anybody direct access to bank > routing numbers ... NO legal protections as seen > with CCs. Did direct back in the AOL/Compuserve > days - NEVER again ! Does somebody make routers with external aerials for 4G or 5G? Hopefully directional. I remember, around 1999 that my company installed phones on premises, and it was a wall box with an antena. GSM at the time. -- Cheers, Carlos.
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