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| Started by | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| First post | 2025-09-30 00:12 -0400 |
| Last post | 2025-11-24 23:48 +0000 |
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AI-Based Coding Taking Over c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-30 00:12 -0400
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-30 09:37 +0200
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-30 19:21 +0200
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-30 19:35 +0100
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-09-30 22:45 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-09-30 22:41 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-09-30 22:44 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-09-30 23:46 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-01 01:05 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-01 01:06 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-01 03:53 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-01 04:57 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-01 21:41 -0400
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-01 21:40 -0400
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2025-10-10 18:00 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-11 02:41 -0400
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-11 11:00 +0100
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-11 19:39 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-11 22:31 -0400
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-12 12:09 +0100
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-11 19:03 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-11 22:28 -0400
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-12 12:04 +0100
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-12 19:40 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-13 03:24 -0400
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-13 10:19 +0100
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-13 19:05 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-14 01:24 -0400
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-14 07:09 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-14 20:35 -0400
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-14 10:04 +0200
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-14 10:04 +0100
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-14 12:06 +0200
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-14 11:32 +0100
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-14 12:45 +0200
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-14 22:05 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-14 23:31 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-15 14:30 +0200
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-14 21:47 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-14 23:31 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-15 06:41 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-15 03:30 -0400
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-15 16:57 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-15 21:31 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-16 18:43 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-16 18:59 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-10-16 13:43 -0700
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-17 02:02 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-10-17 07:58 -0400
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2025-10-17 17:38 +0100
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-17 22:16 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-10-18 08:53 -0400
Bikes [Was: AI-Based Coding Taking Over] "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-18 20:02 +0200
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-18 19:51 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-18 22:55 +0200
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-19 02:32 +0000
Nuisance fauna [Was: AI-Based Coding Taking Over] "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-19 13:31 +0200
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2025-10-19 08:41 +0100
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-19 11:15 +0100
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-19 20:57 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-20 00:23 -0400
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-20 05:44 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-20 03:32 -0400
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-20 10:34 +0200
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-20 23:22 -0400
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2025-10-21 08:54 +0100
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-21 21:22 +0200
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-22 05:45 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-22 02:21 -0400
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-22 14:07 +0200
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-22 21:05 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-24 10:42 +0200
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-24 10:11 +0100
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-24 19:47 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-24 19:45 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-25 10:47 +0100
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-25 19:46 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-22 08:19 +0100
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-21 20:05 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-21 23:50 -0400
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-22 11:32 +0100
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-20 20:12 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-10-20 11:53 -0700
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-21 03:32 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-10-20 21:52 -0700
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-21 01:44 -0400
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-21 19:34 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-21 23:41 -0400
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-22 05:40 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-22 02:23 -0400
Oil leaks "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-22 14:13 +0200
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-20 10:29 +0200
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-20 19:43 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-20 20:48 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-21 04:10 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-21 01:39 -0400
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-21 20:02 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-21 23:48 -0400
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-22 06:02 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-22 03:34 -0400
Vehicles "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-22 14:30 +0200
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-22 18:03 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-22 20:51 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-23 14:54 +0200
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-22 14:26 +0200
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-22 21:00 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-23 04:01 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-23 20:27 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-10-23 20:59 -0700
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-25 04:47 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-10-24 22:09 -0700
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-25 19:43 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-25 22:23 +0200
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-25 20:51 -0400
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-26 19:58 +0100
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-26 11:00 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-26 18:40 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-26 22:19 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-27 00:48 +0100
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-27 03:12 -0400
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-27 10:15 +0100
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-27 08:20 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-27 02:54 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-27 08:23 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-26 22:45 -0400
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-27 03:07 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-27 14:26 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-27 14:31 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-27 20:41 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-10-27 14:17 -0700
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-28 05:40 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-28 07:45 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-10-28 06:18 -0400
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-28 19:19 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-28 19:08 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-27 22:30 -0400
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-28 07:45 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-10-28 11:25 -0700
The Good Ol' Days of Computing? Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-10-28 06:15 -0400
Re: The Good Ol' Days of Computing? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-29 02:12 -0400
Re: The Good Ol' Days of Computing? John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-10-29 08:43 -0700
Re: The Good Ol' Days of Computing? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-29 21:30 -0400
Re: The Good Ol' Days of Computing? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-30 03:07 +0000
Re: The Good Ol' Days of Computing? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-30 00:49 -0400
Re: The Good Ol' Days of Computing? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-30 06:29 +0000
Re: The Good Ol' Days of Computing? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-30 07:00 +0000
Re: The Good Ol' Days of Computing? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-30 11:32 -0400
Re: The Good Ol' Days of Computing? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-30 16:39 +0000
Re: The Good Ol' Days of Computing? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-30 11:29 -0400
Re: The Good Ol' Days of Computing? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-30 16:37 +0000
Re: The Good Ol' Days of Computing? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-30 20:21 +0000
Re: The Good Ol' Days of Computing? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-31 04:01 +0000
Personal computer (was Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over) John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-10-27 09:21 -0700
Re: Personal computer (was Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-27 16:53 +0000
Re: Personal computer (was Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over) Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-10-27 13:48 -0400
Re: Personal computer (was Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-27 20:53 +0000
Re: Personal computer (was Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over) John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-10-27 13:56 -0700
Re: Personal computer (was Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over) Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-10-28 06:30 -0400
Re: Personal computer (was Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over) John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-10-28 08:15 -0700
Re: Personal computer (was Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-28 19:44 +0000
Re: Personal computer (was Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over) John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-10-28 12:51 -0700
Re: Personal computer (was Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over) John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-10-28 15:39 -0700
Re: Personal computer (was Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-29 02:14 +0000
Re: Personal computer (was Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-29 01:52 +0000
Re: Personal computer (was Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-28 19:37 +0000
Re: Personal computer (was Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-28 07:45 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-10-27 10:18 -0700
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-10-27 13:42 -0400
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-27 21:18 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-28 07:45 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-27 19:28 +0100
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2025-10-24 03:30 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-24 05:44 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-24 10:21 +0200
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-23 14:57 +0200
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-23 20:23 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-24 10:35 +0200
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-24 19:30 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-24 22:13 +0200
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-25 02:38 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-25 15:17 +0200
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-25 19:40 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-23 00:29 -0400
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-23 14:59 +0200
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-23 20:20 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-10-23 19:09 -0700
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-24 05:49 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-24 10:38 +0200
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-24 19:41 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-10-24 13:05 -0700
Agriculture "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-24 22:25 +0200
Re: Agriculture rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-25 02:22 +0000
Vehicles "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-22 14:21 +0200
Re: Vehicles rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-22 20:14 +0000
Re: Vehicles "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-23 15:06 +0200
Re: Vehicles rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-23 20:01 +0000
Re: Vehicles "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-24 10:09 +0200
Re: Vehicles rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-24 18:40 +0000
Re: Vehicles "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-24 21:22 +0200
Re: Vehicles rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-25 01:54 +0000
Re: Vehicles "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-25 15:20 +0200
Re: Vehicles c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-23 00:28 -0400
Re: Vehicles The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-23 08:55 +0100
Re: Vehicles "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-23 15:09 +0200
Re: Vehicles Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-10-23 17:46 +0000
Re: Vehicles rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-23 20:08 +0000
Re: Vehicles Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-10-23 22:28 +0000
Re: Vehicles rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-24 05:09 +0000
Re: Vehicles "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-24 01:43 +0200
Re: Vehicles "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-24 01:47 +0200
Re: Vehicles Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-11-13 17:25 +0000
Re: Vehicles c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-23 22:51 -0400
Pouring a coffee into a street drain. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-24 09:59 +0200
Re: Pouring a coffee into a street drain. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-24 18:43 +0000
Re: Vehicles c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-23 22:45 -0400
Re: Vehicles rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-23 20:06 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-21 00:32 -0400
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-20 23:18 -0400
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-21 19:50 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-19 20:40 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-10-19 14:24 -0700
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-20 06:04 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-20 10:48 +0200
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-20 19:52 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-21 01:02 +0200
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-21 03:39 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-21 01:33 -0400
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-21 21:33 +0200
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-21 23:37 -0400
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-22 06:12 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-22 03:38 -0400
Vehicles. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-22 14:35 +0200
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-21 19:42 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-17 17:36 +0000
Car inspections. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-15 14:35 +0200
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-14 21:38 -0400
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-14 19:12 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-15 11:55 +0100
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2025-10-16 03:07 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-16 02:56 -0400
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-14 21:06 -0400
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-15 11:59 +0100
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-16 01:00 -0400
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-16 07:29 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-16 11:22 +0100
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-17 22:34 -0400
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-01 18:11 +0100
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-01 21:06 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-01 23:45 +0100
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-01 22:19 -0400
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-02 11:15 +0100
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-01 21:59 -0400
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> - 2025-10-02 06:20 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-02 03:05 -0400
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> - 2025-10-02 18:41 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-02 07:26 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> - 2025-10-02 18:37 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-03 00:29 -0400
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-03 05:06 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-03 01:24 -0400
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Bob Vloon <usenet@bananacorp.nl.invalid> - 2025-10-03 11:33 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-03 20:46 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-03 00:25 -0400
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-03 04:44 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-03 01:18 -0400
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-03 20:42 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-03 21:05 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-03 23:35 -0400
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-03 23:37 -0400
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-03 08:54 +0100
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-03 10:02 +0100
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-03 20:41 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-03 23:24 -0400
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-03 23:21 -0400
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-03 23:20 -0400
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-04 17:04 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2025-10-03 08:03 +1000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> - 2025-10-02 22:55 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-30 22:06 -0400
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Jason H <jason_hindle@yahoo.com> - 2025-10-01 20:26 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-01 21:58 -0400
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Farley Flud <fsquared@fsquared.linux> - 2025-09-30 11:25 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-30 12:56 +0100
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-30 22:48 -0400
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-01 03:53 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-01 21:36 -0400
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-30 22:16 -0400
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over John McCue <jmclnx@gmail.com.invalid> - 2025-10-31 16:52 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-31 20:19 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-31 22:45 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-31 22:35 -0400
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-24 23:42 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-25 08:07 +0100
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-25 03:58 -0500
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-01 11:19 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-11-01 17:32 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-01 21:09 -0400
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-02 19:09 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-11-02 19:30 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-03 02:28 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-02 01:17 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2025-11-03 07:52 +1000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over John McCue <jmclnx@gmail.com.invalid> - 2025-11-02 22:21 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> - 2025-11-03 09:30 +1000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over John McCue <jmclnx@gmail.com.invalid> - 2025-11-03 14:14 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-24 23:49 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-24 23:08 -0500
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-25 06:56 +0000
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-25 04:03 -0500
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Anssi Saari <anssi.saari@usenet.mail.kapsi.fi> - 2025-11-26 13:23 +0200
Re: AI-Based Coding Taking Over Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-24 23:48 +0000
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-10-22 14:30 +0200 |
| Subject | Vehicles |
| Message-ID | <pcvmslxj6n.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #76510 |
On 2025-10-22 09:34, c186282 wrote: > On 10/22/25 02:02, rbowman wrote: >> On Tue, 21 Oct 2025 23:48:54 -0400, c186282 wrote: ... > I've clocked some e-bikes ... 40mph sometimes. Not sure > if UK/elsewhere have limitations but then owners sometimes > do their own mods. The damned things are hard to see and > SILENT ... but it's YOUR fault if one hits you. Here, if they go on the sidewalk, the fault is on the bike, always. They are forbidden in the sidewalk. If crossing a street or road, you are supposed to cross at a marked crossing, thus the fault is always on the vehicle. ... -- Cheers, Carlos. ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-10-22 18:03 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <U%8KQ.1143655$ctz9.619991@fx16.iad> |
| In reply to | #76510 |
On 2025-10-22, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote: > Raccoons have NO 'traffic sense' - they, entire families, > will just walk out into traffic to cross the road. Splat ! > They are fairly intelligent but it does NOT include that. > Cats wait until the LAST ULTIMATE SECOND and then try to > dart across the road. Again, often, splat ! Dogs think > vehicles are 'cattle' or something, rush out to 'bite at > the heels'. Splat. Q: Why did the chicken cross the road? A: To prove to the possum that it can be done. -- /~\ Charlie Gibbs | Growth for the sake of \ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | growth is the ideology X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | of the cancer cell. / \ if you read it the right way. | -- Edward Abbey
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2025-10-22 20:51 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <mlsudoF4baqU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #76510 |
On Wed, 22 Oct 2025 03:34:24 -0400, c186282 wrote: > 'Scoots' tend to be a LITTLE larger, a LITTLE easier to see. > Not much, but SOME. Not that kind of scooter... ' https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M2OV9mleHbc > The old bright-painted Vespa's were MUCH better. When I was a kid I lusted for a Vespa. No way, no day. My father had a thing about little wheels. When I bought the Harley he helped me bring it home and break the news to my mother but no scooters. The 'break the news' didn't work out well. I bought it at a police auction and a reporter was filming the event. I made the 6 o'clock news rather than a subtle ramp up.
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-10-23 14:54 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <16lpslxujb.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #76548 |
On 2025-10-22 22:51, rbowman wrote: > On Wed, 22 Oct 2025 03:34:24 -0400, c186282 wrote: > >> 'Scoots' tend to be a LITTLE larger, a LITTLE easier to see. >> Not much, but SOME. > > Not that kind of scooter... > ' > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M2OV9mleHbc > >> The old bright-painted Vespa's were MUCH better. > > When I was a kid I lusted for a Vespa. No way, no day. My father had a > thing about little wheels. When I bought the Harley he helped me bring it > home and break the news to my mother but no scooters. > > The 'break the news' didn't work out well. I bought it at a police auction > and a reporter was filming the event. I made the 6 o'clock news rather > than a subtle ramp up. LOL X'-D -- Cheers, Carlos. ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-10-22 14:26 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <o4vmslxj6n.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #76505 |
On 2025-10-22 08:02, rbowman wrote: > On Tue, 21 Oct 2025 23:48:54 -0400, c186282 wrote: > > >> It is surprisingly difficult to spot a slow or stationary vehicle >> while driving. The perspective does not change much until you're >> RIGHT up on the damned thing. MANY nasty accidents result. > > Any vehicle that can't do at least 25 is supposed to have a big slow > vehicle triangle on the back. Always fun to get stuck behind a Harobed. > > https://www.loc.gov/item/ncr002399/ Fascinating. I don't think I have ever seen one. ... -- Cheers, Carlos. ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2025-10-22 21:00 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <mlsuvfF4baqU2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #76531 |
On Wed, 22 Oct 2025 14:26:32 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote: > On 2025-10-22 08:02, rbowman wrote: >> On Tue, 21 Oct 2025 23:48:54 -0400, c186282 wrote: >> >> >>> It is surprisingly difficult to spot a slow or stationary vehicle >>> while driving. The perspective does not change much until you're >>> RIGHT up on the damned thing. MANY nasty accidents result. >> >> Any vehicle that can't do at least 25 is supposed to have a big slow >> vehicle triangle on the back. Always fun to get stuck behind a Harobed. >> >> https://www.loc.gov/item/ncr002399/ > > Fascinating. I don't think I have ever seen one. > > ... They are a vanishing device. Most people around here have went to large round bales. They are a lot less work both in making hay and in feeding it out. They can be mechanically loaded on a standard flatbed rather than dealing with a lot of little square bales. I've seen all sides of square bales, both bucking them onto a flatbed in the field, stacking them in the barn, loading them onto a pickup to feed the stock, and riding the back of a pickup in sub zero weather, cutting bales and tossing them off the back. Lot of work all around.
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| From | Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-10-23 04:01 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <LMhKQ.1085700$Jgh9.133994@fx15.iad> |
| In reply to | #76549 |
On 2025-10-22, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote: > They are a vanishing device. Most people around here have went to large > round bales. They are a lot less work both in making hay and in feeding it > out. They can be mechanically loaded on a standard flatbed rather than > dealing with a lot of little square bales. The large round bales have pretty much taken over up here in B.C. too. Often they're wrapped in plastic before being picked up; the machine that does that is pretty impressive to watch. On the other hand, the last few times we've driven down I-5 through Oregon, we've seen stacks of huge rectangular bales. They're roughly the same proportions as the traditional bales, but maybe three times as large on each dimension. -- /~\ Charlie Gibbs | Growth for the sake of \ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | growth is the ideology X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | of the cancer cell. / \ if you read it the right way. | -- Edward Abbey
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2025-10-23 20:27 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <mlvhcvFgc64U14@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #76561 |
On Thu, 23 Oct 2025 04:01:47 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > On the other hand, the last few times we've driven down I-5 through > Oregon, we've seen stacks of huge rectangular bales. They're roughly > the same proportions as the traditional bales, but maybe three times as > large on each dimension. I haven't seen the large ones. I wonder if they're designed for shipping? I once loaded baled hay in Ellensburg WA and took it to the docks in Long Beach CA. There it was loaded into containers bound for Japan. I think feeding a cow in Japan must be pricey. Round bales wouldn't pack as nicely.
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| From | Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> |
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| Date | 2025-10-23 20:59 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <10detk2$2b3jr$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #76601 |
On 10/23/25 13:27, rbowman wrote: > On Thu, 23 Oct 2025 04:01:47 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > >> On the other hand, the last few times we've driven down I-5 through >> Oregon, we've seen stacks of huge rectangular bales. They're roughly >> the same proportions as the traditional bales, but maybe three times as >> large on each dimension. > > I haven't seen the large ones. I wonder if they're designed for shipping? > I once loaded baled hay in Ellensburg WA and took it to the docks in Long > Beach CA. There it was loaded into containers bound for Japan. I think > feeding a cow in Japan must be pricey. Round bales wouldn't pack as > nicely. Everything in Japan is pricey. Just like in the USA but they were ahead of us there. The people with enough money are hooked on brand names in every respect. People without enough money there wait for sales. Here in San Francisco due to Covid restrictions and other factors we have lost out big department store and practically have to shop on line to get what we need. People with cash or good credit go to the stores early as Apple and other tech companies release their latest toys. I used to have enough cash and credit to go to Walmart and search on refurbished computers which is why the .sig file is relevant. bliss- Dell Precision 7730- PCLOS 2025.10 Linux 6.12.54-pclos1- KDE Plasma 6.5.0
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2025-10-25 04:47 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <mm333pF578vU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #76655 |
On Thu, 23 Oct 2025 20:59:59 -0700, Bobbie Sellers wrote: > I used to have enough cash and credit to go to Walmart and search on > refurbished computers which is why the .sig file is relevant. I've got a refurbed Lenovo Thinkpad T480 coming. We'll see how that works out. It has replaceable part and was well thought of in its day. It was cheaper than a mini and is a real laptop. Lubuntu runs on my very old netbook but it's very slow. It's not in the Dell Precision 7730 league but for $215 it's something to play with Arch on.
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| From | Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> |
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| Date | 2025-10-24 22:09 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <10dhm2v$33b7e$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #76657 |
On 10/24/25 21:47, rbowman wrote: > On Thu, 23 Oct 2025 20:59:59 -0700, Bobbie Sellers wrote: > >> I used to have enough cash and credit to go to Walmart and search > on >> refurbished computers which is why the .sig file is relevant. > > I've got a refurbed Lenovo Thinkpad T480 coming. We'll see how that works > out. It has replaceable part and was well thought of in its day. It was > cheaper than a mini and is a real laptop. Lubuntu runs on my very old > netbook but it's very slow. > > It's not in the Dell Precision 7730 league but for $215 it's something to > play with Arch on. I agree with you competely but the x86 machines I started with about 20 years ago were quite weak with inadequate memory and disk space. These were much faster than 6502/Z80/68000-68060 and the last of those was limited to 50 MHz. I learned about disk speed slowing operations with the 8 bit machines. And I learned a lot about making Linux run on hardware meant for Windows XP. Have fun with your new used machine. bliss I
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2025-10-25 19:43 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <mm4nj4FdlkoU5@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #76658 |
On Fri, 24 Oct 2025 22:09:50 -0700, Bobbie Sellers wrote: > I agree with you competely but the x86 machines I started with > about 20 years ago were quite weak with inadequate memory and disk > space. These were much faster than 6502/Z80/68000-68060 and the last > of those was limited to 50 MHz. I learned about disk speed slowing > operations with the 8 bit machines. The first gen PCs with the 8088 weren't much, if any, improvement on the CP/M Z80 boxes. It took me a while to buy a i86 box with a massive 5 MB hard drive.
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-10-25 22:23 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <c6ovslx58u.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #76682 |
On 2025-10-25 21:43, rbowman wrote: > On Fri, 24 Oct 2025 22:09:50 -0700, Bobbie Sellers wrote: > >> I agree with you competely but the x86 machines I started with >> about 20 years ago were quite weak with inadequate memory and disk >> space. These were much faster than 6502/Z80/68000-68060 and the last >> of those was limited to 50 MHz. I learned about disk speed slowing >> operations with the 8 bit machines. > > The first gen PCs with the 8088 weren't much, if any, improvement on the > CP/M Z80 boxes. It took me a while to buy a i86 box with a massive 5 MB > hard drive. To me they were. I could do college work on my first PC around 1986. Software considered "serious" appeared. -- Cheers, Carlos. ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2025-10-25 20:51 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <paydndqmsPAs7WD1nZ2dnZfqnPGdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #76686 |
On 10/25/25 16:23, Carlos E.R. wrote: > On 2025-10-25 21:43, rbowman wrote: >> On Fri, 24 Oct 2025 22:09:50 -0700, Bobbie Sellers wrote: >> >>> I agree with you competely but the x86 machines I started with >>> about 20 years ago were quite weak with inadequate memory and disk >>> space. These were much faster than 6502/Z80/68000-68060 and the last >>> of those was limited to 50 MHz. I learned about disk speed slowing >>> operations with the 8 bit machines. >> >> The first gen PCs with the 8088 weren't much, if any, improvement on the >> CP/M Z80 boxes. It took me a while to buy a i86 box with a massive 5 MB >> hard drive. > > To me they were. I could do college work on my first PC around 1986. > Software considered "serious" appeared. Hey, decent stuff would run even on 8088 systems. Didn't have a zillion typesetting options, but you could still make great docs, useful sheets, run accounting pgms, DBs, do pix/drawing. By scaling complexity to suit the platform the software could be relatively small/quick. Now ... faster chips and more space = BLOAT !!! It's like a closet, the bigger the more useless shit you pack in there.
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-10-26 19:58 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <ui72tlxmhb.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #76693 |
On 2025-10-26 02:51, c186282 wrote: > On 10/25/25 16:23, Carlos E.R. wrote: >> On 2025-10-25 21:43, rbowman wrote: >>> On Fri, 24 Oct 2025 22:09:50 -0700, Bobbie Sellers wrote: >>> >>>> I agree with you competely but the x86 machines I started with >>>> about 20 years ago were quite weak with inadequate memory and disk >>>> space. These were much faster than 6502/Z80/68000-68060 and the last >>>> of those was limited to 50 MHz. I learned about disk speed slowing >>>> operations with the 8 bit machines. >>> >>> The first gen PCs with the 8088 weren't much, if any, improvement on the >>> CP/M Z80 boxes. It took me a while to buy a i86 box with a massive 5 MB >>> hard drive. >> >> To me they were. I could do college work on my first PC around 1986. >> Software considered "serious" appeared. > > Hey, decent stuff would run even on 8088 systems. It certainly would. > Didn't have a zillion typesetting options, but > you could still make great docs, useful sheets, > run accounting pgms, DBs, do pix/drawing. By > scaling complexity to suit the platform the > software could be relatively small/quick. > > Now ... faster chips and more space = BLOAT !!! > It's like a closet, the bigger the more useless > shit you pack in there. > -- Cheers, Carlos. ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-10-26 11:00 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <10dkuvq$3uqs3$4@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #76682 |
On 25/10/2025 20:43, rbowman wrote: > On Fri, 24 Oct 2025 22:09:50 -0700, Bobbie Sellers wrote: > >> I agree with you competely but the x86 machines I started with >> about 20 years ago were quite weak with inadequate memory and disk >> space. These were much faster than 6502/Z80/68000-68060 and the last >> of those was limited to 50 MHz. I learned about disk speed slowing >> operations with the 8 bit machines. > > The first gen PCs with the 8088 weren't much, if any, improvement on the > CP/M Z80 boxes. It took me a while to buy a i86 box with a massive 5 MB > hard drive. Having programmed on both, they were. CP/M was very short of RAM and the typical machine had no standard expansion slot. 8088 was a good step up. 386 was the next big one -- The New Left are the people they warned you about.
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2025-10-26 18:40 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <mm789eFpu50U2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #76712 |
On Sun, 26 Oct 2025 11:00:10 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > Having programmed on both, they were. > CP/M was very short of RAM and the typical machine had no standard > expansion slot. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S-100_bus Many didn't allow for expansion but it wasn't a limiting factor in most cases. For S-100 there were prototype boards that plugged into the back plane so you could roll your own. http://www.s100computers.com/Cards%20For%20Sale.htm > 8088 was a good step up. 386 was the next big one The 8088 could only address 64K. You could point CS, SS, DS, and ES to different 64K blocks. CP/m 3.0 could use external logic bank switching to accomplish much the same. Intel formalized it in a processor that was supposed to be a temporary fix before the iAPX 432 arrived. The original PC ran at 4.77 MHz. Odd speed, right? The CGA adaptor needed 3.579545 for the color burst. (I don't know about the European market). 4 times 3.57945 is 14.31818. Divide that by 3 and you get 4.77277. Couple of dividers and you save the cost of a 8284 or an extra crystal. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_8284 The 8088 also used the cheap 8bit peripherals from the 8080, 8085, and Z80 designs. Of course that meant limiting yourself to a 8bit data bus but money is money. https://vintagecomputer.com/osborne-occ-2-executive.html I'll go with the article rather than my memory but I remember the Executive as using the Z80B, which was a 6 MHz part. I had an Osborne 1 but bought two Executives from the Boston Globe when they were moving to PCs. For all practical purposes the original PC was not faster than a CP/M system and had a hell of a lot less available software. Much of that had been ported from CP/M and was less than efficient. Part of that was the memory models. https://digitalmars.com/ctg/ctgMemoryModel.html Building an executable was fun since there were 5 sets of libraries for the 5 models. Don't forget the 5150 (IBM Personal Computer) came with 16 KB of RAM. Usually you needed more slots than it had since the mobo was limited. The 5160 (XT) at least kicked the base memory up to 128 KB. It had more slots but good luck getting some of the cards into them. You might want to toss the cover and point a fan at the thing. The 5170 (AT) was starting to get real with wider buses and a 6 MHz processor. Let's forget the PS/2. You couldn't tell the horses apart without a program on that mess. I think they built them from spare parts and, arguably, were just about out of the PC business. So, yeah, given a CP/M 3.0 system versus a bog stock 5150 I'll take the CP/M box.
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-10-26 22:19 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <10dm6pb$ahhe$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #76720 |
On 26/10/2025 18:40, rbowman wrote: > On Sun, 26 Oct 2025 11:00:10 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > >> Having programmed on both, they were. >> CP/M was very short of RAM and the typical machine had no standard >> expansion slot. > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S-100_bus > > Many didn't allow for expansion but it wasn't a limiting factor in most > cases. For S-100 there were prototype boards that plugged into the back > plane so you could roll your own. > > http://www.s100computers.com/Cards%20For%20Sale.htm > > >> 8088 was a good step up. 386 was the next big one > > The 8088 could only address 64K. No. A lot more > You could point CS, SS, DS, and ES to > different 64K blocks. You could use the long model throughout. >CP/m 3.0 could use external logic bank switching to > accomplish much the same. Any 8 bity micro could use bank switching. > Intel formalized it in a processor that was > supposed to be a temporary fix before the iAPX 432 arrived. > > The original PC ran at 4.77 MHz. Odd speed, right? The CGA adaptor needed > 3.579545 for the color burst. (I don't know about the European market). 4 > times 3.57945 is 14.31818. Divide that by 3 and you get 4.77277. Couple of > dividers and you save the cost of a 8284 or an extra crystal. > Never used a PC with a TV. Always had a proper monitor. In fact I never used any computer with a TV. > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_8284 > > The 8088 also used the cheap 8bit peripherals from the 8080, 8085, and Z80 > designs. Of course that meant limiting yourself to a 8bit data bus but > money is money. > It was an evolutionary design., It broke the 64k HARDWARE limit, if not the software.,.. > https://vintagecomputer.com/osborne-occ-2-executive.html > > I'll go with the article rather than my memory but I remember the > Executive as using the Z80B, which was a 6 MHz part. I had an Osborne 1 > but bought two Executives from the Boston Globe when they were moving to > PCs. > > For all practical purposes the original PC was not faster than a CP/M > system and had a hell of a lot less available software. Much of that had > been ported from CP/M and was less than efficient. Part of that was the > memory models. > Well by the time I got to them they had a lot more of everything. > https://digitalmars.com/ctg/ctgMemoryModel.html > > Building an executable was fun since there were 5 sets of libraries for > the 5 models. > Compiler handled that. > Don't forget the 5150 (IBM Personal Computer) came with 16 KB of RAM. > Usually you needed more slots than it had since the mobo was limited. > Never saw a PC with less than 1MB inc video and roms > The 5160 (XT) at least kicked the base memory up to 128 KB. It had more > slots but good luck getting some of the cards into them. You might want to > toss the cover and point a fan at the thing. > > The 5170 (AT) was starting to get real with wider buses and a 6 MHz > processor. Let's forget the PS/2. You couldn't tell the horses apart > without a program on that mess. I think they built them from spare parts > and, arguably, were just about out of the PC business. > > So, yeah, given a CP/M 3.0 system versus a bog stock 5150 I'll take the > CP/M box. > > > > > > > -- If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State. Joseph Goebbels
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-10-27 00:48 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <6ko2tlx7l5.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #76729 |
On 2025-10-26 23:19, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > On 26/10/2025 18:40, rbowman wrote: >> On Sun, 26 Oct 2025 11:00:10 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >> >>> Having programmed on both, they were. >>> CP/M was very short of RAM and the typical machine had no standard >>> expansion slot. >> >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S-100_bus >> >> Many didn't allow for expansion but it wasn't a limiting factor in most >> cases. For S-100 there were prototype boards that plugged into the back >> plane so you could roll your own. >> >> http://www.s100computers.com/Cards%20For%20Sale.htm >> >>> 8088 was a good step up. 386 was the next big one >> >> The 8088 could only address 64K. > No. A lot more Yes, but for that you needed to write to the segment register. You could not have (directly) a memory variable bigger than 64K. ... >> The original PC ran at 4.77 MHz. Odd speed, right? The CGA adaptor needed >> 3.579545 for the color burst. (I don't know about the European market). 4 >> times 3.57945 is 14.31818. Divide that by 3 and you get 4.77277. >> Couple of >> dividers and you save the cost of a 8284 or an extra crystal. >> > Never used a PC with a TV. Always had a proper monitor. In fact I never > used any computer with a TV. I did use computers with a TV monitor, like the Spectrum. What he says about the reason for the choice of frequencies is correct. -- Cheers, Carlos. ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2025-10-27 03:12 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <pJScnezvlZ7ghmL1nZ2dnZfqnPidnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #76731 |
On 10/26/25 19:48, Carlos E.R. wrote: > On 2025-10-26 23:19, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >> On 26/10/2025 18:40, rbowman wrote: >>> On Sun, 26 Oct 2025 11:00:10 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >>> >>>> Having programmed on both, they were. >>>> CP/M was very short of RAM and the typical machine had no standard >>>> expansion slot. >>> >>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S-100_bus >>> >>> Many didn't allow for expansion but it wasn't a limiting factor in most >>> cases. For S-100 there were prototype boards that plugged into the back >>> plane so you could roll your own. >>> >>> http://www.s100computers.com/Cards%20For%20Sale.htm >>> >>>> 8088 was a good step up. 386 was the next big one >>> >>> The 8088 could only address 64K. >> No. A lot more > > Yes, but for that you needed to write to the segment register. You could > not have (directly) a memory variable bigger than 64K. They found cheats for that really soon. > ... > >>> The original PC ran at 4.77 MHz. Odd speed, right? The CGA adaptor >>> needed >>> 3.579545 for the color burst. (I don't know about the European >>> market). 4 >>> times 3.57945 is 14.31818. Divide that by 3 and you get 4.77277. >>> Couple of >>> dividers and you save the cost of a 8284 or an extra crystal. >>> >> Never used a PC with a TV. Always had a proper monitor. In fact I >> never used any computer with a TV. > > I did use computers with a TV monitor, like the Spectrum. > What he says about the reason for the choice of frequencies is correct. Had a VIC-20 with a TV as a monitor. OK.
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