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Keeping 'order' without RTC.

Started bynot.socialnetwork@gmail.com
First post2015-02-28 12:13 +0000
Last post2015-04-14 06:46 +0000
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  Keeping 'order' without RTC. not.socialnetwork@gmail.com - 2015-02-28 12:13 +0000
    Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. Robert Heller <heller@deepsoft.com> - 2015-02-28 06:52 -0600
    Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. Rob <nomail@example.com> - 2015-02-28 13:17 +0000
      Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. Robert Heller <heller@deepsoft.com> - 2015-02-28 07:59 -0600
      Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2015-02-28 18:28 +0000
        Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. Rob <nomail@example.com> - 2015-02-28 19:13 +0000
          Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2015-02-28 19:22 +0000
            Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. Baho Utot <baho-utot@columbus.rr.com> - 2015-02-28 15:48 -0500
            Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. Rob <nomail@example.com> - 2015-02-28 21:14 +0000
              Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. mm0fmf <none@mailinator.com> - 2015-02-28 22:40 +0000
                Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2015-02-28 18:01 -0600
                  Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2015-03-01 01:44 +0000
                Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. Rob <nomail@example.com> - 2015-03-01 07:21 +0000
                  Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. cl@isbd.net - 2015-03-01 09:17 +0000
                    Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. alister <alister.nospam.ware@ntlworld.com> - 2015-03-01 10:08 +0000
                      Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2015-03-01 11:29 +0000
                        Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2015-03-01 17:18 +0000
                          Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2015-03-01 18:33 +0000
                        Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. Unknown <dog@gmail.com> - 2015-03-02 09:06 +0000
                          Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. alister <alister.nospam.ware@ntlworld.com> - 2015-03-02 09:19 +0000
                            Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. mm0fmf <none@mailinator.com> - 2015-03-02 17:13 +0000
                          Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. Rob <nomail@example.com> - 2015-03-02 09:29 +0000
                          Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2015-03-02 16:27 +0000
                            Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. Jim Diamond <Jim.Diamond@deletethis.AcadiaU.ca> - 2015-03-05 08:36 -0400
                      Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. cl@isbd.net - 2015-03-01 11:25 +0000
                        Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. Rob <nomail@example.com> - 2015-03-01 11:40 +0000
                        Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. alister <alister.nospam.ware@ntlworld.com> - 2015-03-01 16:08 +0000
                    Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2015-03-01 17:11 +0000
                      Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2015-03-01 18:47 +0000
                        Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. David Taylor <david-taylor@blueyonder.co.uk.invalid> - 2015-03-01 19:26 +0000
                        Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. J G Miller <miller@yoyo.ORG> - 2015-03-03 22:27 +0000
                          Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2015-03-04 00:50 +0000
                            Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2015-03-04 01:51 +0000
                              Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. J G Miller <miller@yoyo.ORG> - 2015-03-04 17:05 +0000
                                Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2015-03-04 17:59 +0000
                                  Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. David Taylor <david-taylor@blueyonder.co.uk.invalid> - 2015-03-05 11:46 +0000
                                    Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2015-03-06 00:00 +0000
                                      Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. David Taylor <david-taylor@blueyonder.co.uk.invalid> - 2015-03-06 06:55 +0000
                            Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. Tim Watts <tw_usenet@dionic.net> - 2015-03-04 07:31 +0000
                              Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2015-03-04 10:00 +0000
                                Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. Tim Watts <tw_usenet@dionic.net> - 2015-03-04 11:01 +0000
                                  Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2015-03-04 22:15 +0000
                                    Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. Tim Watts <tw_usenet@dionic.net> - 2015-03-04 22:20 +0000
                                    Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2015-03-05 01:07 +0000
                                      Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2015-03-05 10:20 +0000
                                        Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. Rob <nomail@example.com> - 2015-03-05 10:51 +0000
                                          Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. David Taylor <david-taylor@blueyonder.co.uk.invalid> - 2015-03-05 11:53 +0000
                                            Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. Rob <nomail@example.com> - 2015-03-05 15:35 +0000
                                              Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. David Taylor <david-taylor@blueyonder.co.uk.invalid> - 2015-03-05 17:24 +0000
                                        Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. David Taylor <david-taylor@blueyonder.co.uk.invalid> - 2015-03-05 11:49 +0000
                                        Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2015-03-05 23:56 +0000
                                Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2015-03-04 16:06 +0000
                                  Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2015-03-04 22:34 +0000
                            Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. Rob <nomail@example.com> - 2015-03-04 08:23 +0000
                              Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2015-03-04 11:19 +0000
                                Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. mm0fmf <none@mailinator.com> - 2015-03-04 17:44 +0000
                              Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2015-03-04 16:10 +0000
                            Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. Tauno Voipio <tauno.voipio@notused.fi.invalid> - 2015-03-04 10:43 +0200
                              Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. David Taylor <david-taylor@blueyonder.co.uk.invalid> - 2015-03-04 09:28 +0000
                              Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2015-03-04 16:11 +0000
                          Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. Rob <nomail@example.com> - 2015-03-04 08:22 +0000
    Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. Richard Kettlewell <rjk@greenend.org.uk> - 2015-02-28 13:34 +0000
      Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. Baho Utot <baho-utot@columbus.rr.com> - 2015-02-28 09:14 -0500
        Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. Robert Heller <heller@deepsoft.com> - 2015-02-28 08:52 -0600
        Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. Richard Kettlewell <rjk@greenend.org.uk> - 2015-02-28 15:22 +0000
          Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. Baho Utot <baho-utot@columbus.rr.com> - 2015-02-28 15:46 -0500
            Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. Richard Kettlewell <rjk@greenend.org.uk> - 2015-02-28 21:10 +0000
              Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. Baho Utot <baho-utot@columbus.rr.com> - 2015-02-28 19:48 -0500
                Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. Richard Kettlewell <rjk@greenend.org.uk> - 2015-03-01 09:08 +0000
                  Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. Baho Utot <baho-utot@columbus.rr.com> - 2015-03-01 07:52 -0500
                    Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. Rob Morley <nospam@ntlworld.com> - 2015-03-01 16:15 +0000
                    Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. Mike Fleming <{mike}@tauzero.co.uk> - 2015-03-01 20:28 +0000
      Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. not.socialnetwork@gmail.com - 2015-03-01 11:00 +0000
        Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. Rob <nomail@example.com> - 2015-03-01 11:17 +0000
          Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. Unknown <dog@gmail.com> - 2015-03-03 07:37 +0000
            Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2015-03-03 17:21 +0000
        Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2015-03-01 11:43 +0000
          Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. RRansil <ransil@invalid.invalid> - 2015-03-01 10:44 -0800
            Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. mm0fmf <none@mailinator.com> - 2015-03-01 19:08 +0000
              Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2015-03-01 20:46 +0000
                Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. RRansil <ransil@invalid.invalid> - 2015-03-01 13:12 -0800
              Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. RRansil <ransil@invalid.invalid> - 2015-03-01 13:07 -0800
            Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2015-03-01 21:56 +0000
              Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. RRansil <ransil@invalid.invalid> - 2015-03-01 14:49 -0800
    Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2015-02-28 18:26 +0000
    Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. David Taylor <david-taylor@blueyonder.co.uk.invalid> - 2015-02-28 19:29 +0000
    Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-03-01 14:22 -0500
      Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2015-03-01 21:54 +0000
        Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. Johny B Good <johnny-b-good@invalid.ntlworld.com> - 2015-03-02 16:12 +0000
          Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> - 2015-03-02 19:57 +0100
            Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. "David B" <askforemail@gmail.com> - 2015-03-03 10:15 +0000
              Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-03-03 19:38 +0000
              Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. Jack Strangio  <jackstrangio@yahoo.com> - 2015-03-04 10:43 +0000
                Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. Tim Watts <tw_usenet@dionic.net> - 2015-03-04 11:23 +0000
                  Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2015-03-04 11:30 +0000
                Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. Johny B Good <johnny-b-good@invalid.ntlworld.com> - 2015-03-04 15:25 +0000
                Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2015-03-04 16:13 +0000
                  Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2015-03-04 16:31 +0000
                    Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. "David B" <askforemail@gmail.com> - 2015-03-04 16:38 +0000
                    Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. Aragorn <thorongil@telenet.be.invalid> - 2015-03-04 17:39 +0100
                      Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. "David B" <askforemail@gmail.com> - 2015-03-04 16:53 +0000
                      Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2015-03-04 17:03 +0000
                    Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2015-03-04 08:52 -0800
                      Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. Dennis Lee Bieber <wlfraed@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-03-05 20:23 -0500
                    Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-03-04 17:29 +0000
                    Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. Dennis Lee Bieber <wlfraed@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-03-05 20:16 -0500
                      Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-03-05 22:38 -0500
                        Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-03-06 17:46 +0000
                          Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. Gordon Henderson <gordon+usenet@drogon.net> - 2015-03-06 18:45 +0000
                          Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. Michael J. Mahon <mjmahon@aol.com> - 2015-03-06 14:56 -0600
                    Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. Jack Strangio  <jackstrangio@yahoo.com> - 2015-03-06 06:30 +0000
                      Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. "Kerr Mudd-John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2015-03-06 08:24 +0000
                        Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-03-06 17:46 +0000
                          Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2015-03-06 10:02 -0800
                      Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. Rob <nomail@example.com> - 2015-03-06 09:26 +0000
                        Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. Jack Strangio  <jackstrangio@yahoo.com> - 2015-03-07 00:34 +0000
                  Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. Jack Strangio  <jackstrangio@yahoo.com> - 2015-03-06 06:21 +0000
                    Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. alister <alister.nospam.ware@ntlworld.com> - 2015-03-06 11:17 +0000
                    Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. Michael J. Mahon <mjmahon@aol.com> - 2015-03-06 14:56 -0600
                      Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. Rob <nomail@example.com> - 2015-03-07 12:14 +0000
                      Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. Jack Strangio  <jackstrangio@yahoo.com> - 2015-03-08 02:38 +0000
                        Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. Michael J. Mahon <mjmahon@aol.com> - 2015-03-07 21:15 -0600
                          Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2015-03-07 21:44 -0600
                          Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-03-08 16:26 +0000
                        Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. Rob <nomail@example.com> - 2015-03-08 09:42 +0000
            Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. Johny B Good <johnny-b-good@invalid.ntlworld.com> - 2015-03-03 23:20 +0000
          Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. Unknown <dog@gmail.com> - 2015-03-05 08:52 +0000
            Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. alister <alister.nospam.ware@ntlworld.com> - 2015-03-05 09:13 +0000
              Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2015-03-05 09:47 +0000
                Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. Johny B Good <johnny-b-good@invalid.ntlworld.com> - 2015-03-06 01:31 +0000
              Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. Unknown <dog@gmail.com> - 2015-03-11 04:53 +0000
                Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2015-03-11 05:24 +0000
                  Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. Keith Keller <kkeller-usenet@wombat.san-francisco.ca.us> - 2015-03-11 07:58 -0700
                  Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. mm0fmf <none@mailinator.com> - 2015-03-11 19:01 +0000
                Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. Joe Beanfish <joebeanfish@nospam.duh> - 2015-03-11 13:20 +0000
                  Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. Unknown <dog@gmail.com> - 2015-04-12 17:17 +0000
                    Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-04-12 13:50 -0400
                      Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. Joe Beanfish <joebeanfish@nospam.duh> - 2015-04-13 13:14 +0000
                        Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2015-04-13 15:10 +0100
                          Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. Gordon Levi <gordon@address.invalid> - 2015-04-14 00:30 +1000
                            Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2015-04-13 17:47 +0100
                            Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. Morten Reistad <first@last.name> - 2015-04-15 22:37 +0200
                              Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. Rob Morley <nospam@ntlworld.com> - 2015-04-17 02:32 +0100
                              Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. Unknown <dog@gmail.com> - 2015-04-25 23:09 +0000
                                Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. Joe Beanfish <joebeanfish@nospam.duh> - 2015-04-27 13:13 +0000
                        Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-04-13 16:22 -0400
                          Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. Dennis Lee Bieber <wlfraed@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-04-13 21:14 -0400
                            Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-04-13 21:55 -0400
                            Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2015-04-14 09:06 +0000
                              Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2015-04-14 10:12 +0100
                                Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. David Taylor <david-taylor@blueyonder.co.uk.invalid> - 2015-04-14 10:29 +0100
                                Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2015-04-14 12:05 +0000
                            Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. Jerry Peters <jerry@example.invalid> - 2015-04-14 22:08 +0000
                            Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-04-16 14:11 -0400
                              Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2015-04-16 20:15 +0000
                      Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. c28f62@TheWorld.com (Mark Kramer) - 2015-04-14 05:25 +0000
                        Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-04-16 14:13 -0400
                          Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. Jerry Peters <jerry@example.invalid> - 2015-04-16 20:18 +0000
                          Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. c28f62@TheWorld.com (Mark Kramer) - 2015-05-04 03:44 +0000
                            Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2015-05-04 04:44 +0000
                              Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. Jack Ryan <noreply@remailer.cpunk.us> - 2015-05-04 07:54 -0400
                                Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2015-05-04 18:26 +0000
                                  Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. "John Williams (News)" <UCEbin@tiscali.co.uk> - 2015-05-04 19:40 +0100
                                  Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. Kees Theunissen <theuniss@rijnh.nl> - 2015-05-04 22:31 +0200
                                    Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2015-05-04 22:35 +0000
                                      Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2015-05-04 19:13 -0500
                                        Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2015-05-05 02:56 +0000
                                          Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. Michael Baeuerle <michael.baeuerle@stz-e.de> - 2015-05-05 08:04 +0000
                                          Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. Richard Kettlewell <rjk@greenend.org.uk> - 2015-05-05 09:22 +0100
                                          Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2015-05-05 08:26 -0500
                                            Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2015-05-05 18:08 +0000
                                            Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. druck <news@druck.org.uk> - 2015-05-11 23:16 +0100
                                              Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2015-05-11 17:52 -0500
                                                Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2015-05-12 07:09 +0100
                                                  Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2015-05-12 06:47 +0000
                                                    Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2015-05-12 08:27 +0100
                                                      Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2015-05-12 15:44 +0000
                                                        Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. Richard Kettlewell <rjk@greenend.org.uk> - 2015-05-12 17:08 +0100
                                                          Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2015-05-12 17:21 +0000
                                                            Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2015-05-12 12:41 -0500
                                                            Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. Richard Kettlewell <rjk@greenend.org.uk> - 2015-05-12 19:03 +0100
                                                              Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2015-05-12 18:26 +0000
                                                                Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. Richard Kettlewell <rjk@greenend.org.uk> - 2015-05-12 19:59 +0100
                                                                  Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2015-05-12 20:05 +0000
                                                                    Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. Richard Kettlewell <rjk@greenend.org.uk> - 2015-05-12 22:58 +0100
                                                                      Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2015-05-13 01:15 +0000
                                                                        Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2015-05-13 08:14 +0100
                                                                        Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. Richard Kettlewell <rjk@greenend.org.uk> - 2015-05-13 09:24 +0100
                                                        Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2015-05-12 11:50 -0500
                                                          Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2015-05-12 18:52 +0100
                                                        Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. c28f62@TheWorld.com (Mark Kramer) - 2015-05-12 17:29 +0000
                                                          Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2015-05-12 18:36 +0000
                                                            Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. Richard Kettlewell <rjk@greenend.org.uk> - 2015-05-12 20:00 +0100
                                                              Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2015-05-12 20:06 +0000
                                  Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. c28f62@TheWorld.com (Mark Kramer) - 2015-05-12 06:14 +0000
                              Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. c28f62@TheWorld.com (Mark Kramer) - 2015-05-12 06:09 +0000
                                Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2015-05-12 06:44 +0000
                                  Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. c28f62@TheWorld.com (Mark Kramer) - 2015-05-12 17:45 +0000
                                    Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2015-05-12 21:06 +0100
                      Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2015-04-14 23:18 +0000
                        Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. Dennis Lee Bieber <wlfraed@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-04-14 20:58 -0400
                          Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2015-04-15 06:20 +0000
                        Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. Andrew Smallshaw <andrews@sdf.lonestar.org> - 2015-04-16 02:58 +0000
                          Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2015-04-16 05:21 +0100
                          Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. Aragorn <thorongil@telenet.be.invalid> - 2015-04-16 11:42 +0200
                            Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. Rob <nomail@example.com> - 2015-04-16 12:10 +0000
                              Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2015-04-16 13:42 +0100
                                Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. Rob <nomail@example.com> - 2015-04-16 15:06 +0000
                                  Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. druck <news@druck.org.uk> - 2015-04-16 23:09 +0100
                        Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-04-16 14:17 -0400
      Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. Unknown <dog@gmail.com> - 2015-03-04 09:56 +0000
      Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. ruben safir <ruben@mrbrklyn.com> - 2015-04-16 06:13 -0400
        Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2015-04-16 12:40 +0100
          Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. Baho Utot <baho-utot@columbus.rr.com> - 2015-04-16 16:32 -0400
        Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2015-04-17 01:54 +0000
          Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2015-04-17 06:34 +0100
          Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. Dr J R Stockton <reply1500@merlyn.demon.co.uk.invalid> - 2015-04-18 23:13 +0100
    Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2015-04-13 20:39 -0500
      Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. Rob <nomail@example.com> - 2015-04-14 06:46 +0000

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#13866

FromTim Watts <tw_usenet@dionic.net>
Date2015-03-04 11:01 +0000
Message-ID<p85jsb-bk4.ln1@squidward.dionic.net>
In reply to#13864
On 04/03/15 10:00, Martin Gregorie wrote:
> On Wed, 04 Mar 2015 07:31:59 +0000, Tim Watts wrote:
>
>> For a Raspberry a USB GPS would probably be cheaper and simpler -
>> bearing in mind the GPS will probably have to be mounted in the roof
>> (depending on whether the roof is insulated in foil faced insulation) or
>> near a window on the end of a long cable (USB lengths permitting).
>>
> Thats another reason for using a 'blind' GPS rather than a handheld: many
> of them are sealed, weatherproof units.
>
>

And damn expensive (several hundred pounds).

I think a blind GPS with RS232 downlink (or RS485 with 232 converter as 
in the Trimble I once used at work) is *slightly* approaching overkill 
for this application!

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#13911

FromMartin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid>
Date2015-03-04 22:15 +0000
Message-ID<md806h$ibt$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#13866
On Wed, 04 Mar 2015 11:01:13 +0000, Tim Watts wrote:

> On 04/03/15 10:00, Martin Gregorie wrote:
>> On Wed, 04 Mar 2015 07:31:59 +0000, Tim Watts wrote:
>>
>>> For a Raspberry a USB GPS would probably be cheaper and simpler -
>>> bearing in mind the GPS will probably have to be mounted in the roof
>>> (depending on whether the roof is insulated in foil faced insulation)
>>> or near a window on the end of a long cable (USB lengths permitting).
>>>
>> Thats another reason for using a 'blind' GPS rather than a handheld:
>> many of them are sealed, weatherproof units.
>>
>>
>>
> And damn expensive (several hundred pounds).
>
$US 85 or GBP 50 is 'damn expensive?

The Garmin GPS35 and GPS18 receivers can be found for £50 or less on eBay. 
The GPS35 is discontinued as are earlier GPS18s, but the GPS18x is 
current and comes with D-9, USB or bare wire connections and is 
waterproof to 1m. Available direct from Garmin for $US85.


-- 
martin@   | Martin Gregorie
gregorie. | Essex, UK
org       |

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#13912

FromTim Watts <tw_usenet@dionic.net>
Date2015-03-04 22:20 +0000
Message-ID<52dksb-jp9.ln1@squidward.dionic.net>
In reply to#13911
On 04/03/15 22:15, Martin Gregorie wrote:
> On Wed, 04 Mar 2015 11:01:13 +0000, Tim Watts wrote:
>
>> On 04/03/15 10:00, Martin Gregorie wrote:
>>> On Wed, 04 Mar 2015 07:31:59 +0000, Tim Watts wrote:
>>>
>>>> For a Raspberry a USB GPS would probably be cheaper and simpler -
>>>> bearing in mind the GPS will probably have to be mounted in the roof
>>>> (depending on whether the roof is insulated in foil faced insulation)
>>>> or near a window on the end of a long cable (USB lengths permitting).
>>>>
>>> Thats another reason for using a 'blind' GPS rather than a handheld:
>>> many of them are sealed, weatherproof units.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> And damn expensive (several hundred pounds).
>>
> $US 85 or GBP 50 is 'damn expensive?
>
> The Garmin GPS35 and GPS18 receivers can be found for £50 or less on eBay.
> The GPS35 is discontinued as are earlier GPS18s, but the GPS18x is
> current and comes with D-9, USB or bare wire connections and is
> waterproof to 1m. Available direct from Garmin for $US85.
>
>

OK - I concede.

I was thinking a few years out of date and the full on mast mounted 
Trimble receivers - they *were* expensive!

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#13916

FromWilliam Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca>
Date2015-03-05 01:07 +0000
Message-ID<md8a8u$por$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#13911
On 2015-03-04, Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> wrote:
> On Wed, 04 Mar 2015 11:01:13 +0000, Tim Watts wrote:
>
>> On 04/03/15 10:00, Martin Gregorie wrote:
>>> On Wed, 04 Mar 2015 07:31:59 +0000, Tim Watts wrote:
>>>
>>>> For a Raspberry a USB GPS would probably be cheaper and simpler -
>>>> bearing in mind the GPS will probably have to be mounted in the roof
>>>> (depending on whether the roof is insulated in foil faced insulation)
>>>> or near a window on the end of a long cable (USB lengths permitting).
>>>>
>>> Thats another reason for using a 'blind' GPS rather than a handheld:
>>> many of them are sealed, weatherproof units.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> And damn expensive (several hundred pounds).
>>
> $US 85 or GBP 50 is 'damn expensive?
>
> The Garmin GPS35 and GPS18 receivers can be found for ??50 or less on eBay. 
> The GPS35 is discontinued as are earlier GPS18s, but the GPS18x is 
> current and comes with D-9, USB or bare wire connections and is 

Unfortunately the usb or d-9 do not have the PPS output. You need the
bare wire one for that.

> waterproof to 1m. Available direct from Garmin for $US85.
>
>

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#13923

FromMartin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid>
Date2015-03-05 10:20 +0000
Message-ID<md9al7$ebe$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#13916
On Thu, 05 Mar 2015 01:07:42 +0000, William Unruh wrote:

> Unfortunately the [GPS35 with] USB or d-9 do not have the PPS output. 
> You need the bare wire one for that.
>
Noted, but as the NMEA sentence (GPRMC if I remember correctly) is sent 
once a second, would the start of that sentence be sufficiently jitter-
free to use as a PPS substitute?  I'm asking for my own future reference. 

My example has the serial interface. The only testing I did with it was 
to watch its output with a computer, as I was more interested in using it 
for navigation, driving XCSoar on an iPAQ 3630, than as a time source.
 

-- 
martin@   | Martin Gregorie
gregorie. | Essex, UK
org       |

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#13924

FromRob <nomail@example.com>
Date2015-03-05 10:51 +0000
Message-ID<slrnmfgda4.c64.nomail@xs8.xs4all.nl>
In reply to#13923
Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> wrote:
> On Thu, 05 Mar 2015 01:07:42 +0000, William Unruh wrote:
>
>> Unfortunately the [GPS35 with] USB or d-9 do not have the PPS output. 
>> You need the bare wire one for that.
>>
> Noted, but as the NMEA sentence (GPRMC if I remember correctly) is sent 
> once a second, would the start of that sentence be sufficiently jitter-
> free to use as a PPS substitute?  I'm asking for my own future reference. 

Good enough to get wristwatch time.  When you want the time to be
correct within 100ms then it is not sufficient.
There tends to be a lot of unpredictability in NMEA timing.  Often
you can alternatively select a manufacturer-specific protocol that
performs better.  But to get anywhere near the capabilities of GPS
you really need a PPS signal fed to an input line that can issue
interrupts.   Traditionally a like like RS232 DCD is often used, but
it requires a UART-interfaced RS232 port to perform well.  In a Pi,
a suitable GPIO input can be used.
With PPS a fast system can be synchronized to well within 1us, for
the Raspberry Pi it will be more like 10us.

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#13929

FromDavid Taylor <david-taylor@blueyonder.co.uk.invalid>
Date2015-03-05 11:53 +0000
Message-ID<md9g21$5vb$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#13924
On 05/03/2015 10:51, Rob wrote:
[]
> With PPS a fast system can be synchronized to well within 1us, for
> the Raspberry Pi it will be more like 10us.

You can see how well, or otherwise, some PPS-synced Raspberry Pi cards 
are doing here:

    http://www.satsignal.eu/mrtg/performance_ntp.php

Two caveats:

- all the RPi cards were updated to NTP 4.3.4 a few hours back which 
will have given rise to transients.

- one or two systems (e.g. RPi #6) are sitting on the bench, and getting 
sunlight directly towards them.  This does no good at all for the 
temperature and hence timing stability!

-- 
Cheers,
David
Web: http://www.satsignal.eu

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#13936

FromRob <nomail@example.com>
Date2015-03-05 15:35 +0000
Message-ID<slrnmfgtuf.k0e.nomail@xs8.xs4all.nl>
In reply to#13929
David Taylor <david-taylor@blueyonder.co.uk.invalid> wrote:
> On 05/03/2015 10:51, Rob wrote:
> []
>> With PPS a fast system can be synchronized to well within 1us, for
>> the Raspberry Pi it will be more like 10us.
>
> You can see how well, or otherwise, some PPS-synced Raspberry Pi cards 
> are doing here:
>
>     http://www.satsignal.eu/mrtg/performance_ntp.php

I don't see how this is different from my claim.

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#13938

FromDavid Taylor <david-taylor@blueyonder.co.uk.invalid>
Date2015-03-05 17:24 +0000
Message-ID<mda3e5$lsq$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#13936
On 05/03/2015 15:35, Rob wrote:
> David Taylor <david-taylor@blueyonder.co.uk.invalid> wrote:
>> On 05/03/2015 10:51, Rob wrote:
>> []
>>> With PPS a fast system can be synchronized to well within 1us, for
>>> the Raspberry Pi it will be more like 10us.
>>
>> You can see how well, or otherwise, some PPS-synced Raspberry Pi cards
>> are doing here:
>>
>>      http://www.satsignal.eu/mrtg/performance_ntp.php
>
> I don't see how this is different from my claim.

I was not contesting your claim, simply presenting data which I had 
gathered here.  I did say: "how well or otherwise".  It does demonstrate 
though that in a more temperature controlled environment a Raspberry Pi 
(Raspberry Pi #1) can do better than an Intel Atom system (PC Pixie) in 
a heated room, and perhaps have a lower offset than your 10 microsecond 
figure.

-- 
Cheers,
David
Web: http://www.satsignal.eu

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#13927

FromDavid Taylor <david-taylor@blueyonder.co.uk.invalid>
Date2015-03-05 11:49 +0000
Message-ID<md9fr5$4n9$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#13923
On 05/03/2015 10:20, Martin Gregorie wrote:
[]
> Noted, but as the NMEA sentence (GPRMC if I remember correctly) is sent
> once a second, would the start of that sentence be sufficiently jitter-
> free to use as a PPS substitute?  I'm asking for my own future reference.
>
> My example has the serial interface. The only testing I did with it was
> to watch its output with a computer, as I was more interested in using it
> for navigation, driving XCSoar on an iPAQ 3630, than as a time source.

You may find that an internet source, even over Wi-Fi, provides better 
sync than the NMEA output of many GPS devices.  It's often the last 
thing the internal processor generates and hence the most variable in 
its exact timing.
-- 
Cheers,
David
Web: http://www.satsignal.eu

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#13946

FromWilliam Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca>
Date2015-03-05 23:56 +0000
Message-ID<mdaqfi$muc$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#13923
On 2015-03-05, Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> wrote:
> On Thu, 05 Mar 2015 01:07:42 +0000, William Unruh wrote:
>
>> Unfortunately the [GPS35 with] USB or d-9 do not have the PPS output. 
>> You need the bare wire one for that.
>>
> Noted, but as the NMEA sentence (GPRMC if I remember correctly) is sent 
> once a second, would the start of that sentence be sufficiently jitter-
> free to use as a PPS substitute?  I'm asking for my own future reference. 

Depeds on what you want. If you are happy with 10s of ms jitter, it is
fine, If not, it is not fine. The nmea sentences are basically sent when
the system has nothing better to do (like calculate a fix). 

>
> My example has the serial interface. The only testing I did with it was 
> to watch its output with a computer, as I was more interested in using it 
> for navigation, driving XCSoar on an iPAQ 3630, than as a time source.

For watching it is pleanty accurate enough. 

>  
>

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#13885

FromWilliam Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca>
Date2015-03-04 16:06 +0000
Message-ID<md7aie$mtf$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#13864
On 2015-03-04, Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> wrote:
> On Wed, 04 Mar 2015 07:31:59 +0000, Tim Watts wrote:
>
>> For a Raspberry a USB GPS would probably be cheaper and simpler -
>> bearing in mind the GPS will probably have to be mounted in the roof
>> (depending on whether the roof is insulated in foil faced insulation) or
>> near a window on the end of a long cable (USB lengths permitting).
>>
> Thats another reason for using a 'blind' GPS rather than a handheld: many 
> of them are sealed, weatherproof units. 

The unit is inside. The antenna can be  outside. The antenna can be
waterproofed easily. In either case one would need a wire coming in to
the RPi from the gps unit. Mine works fine with the antenna  mounted inside a window
facing east, through a bunch of cedar trees.
The OP said it was inside a box in a remote location. 


>
>

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#13913

FromMartin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid>
Date2015-03-04 22:34 +0000
Message-ID<md819l$ibt$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#13885
On Wed, 04 Mar 2015 16:06:38 +0000, William Unruh wrote:

> On 2015-03-04, Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> wrote:
>> On Wed, 04 Mar 2015 07:31:59 +0000, Tim Watts wrote:
>>
>>> For a Raspberry a USB GPS would probably be cheaper and simpler -
>>> bearing in mind the GPS will probably have to be mounted in the roof
>>> (depending on whether the roof is insulated in foil faced insulation)
>>> or near a window on the end of a long cable (USB lengths permitting).
>>>
>> Thats another reason for using a 'blind' GPS rather than a handheld:
>> many of them are sealed, weatherproof units.
> 
> The unit is inside. The antenna can be  outside. The antenna can be
> waterproofed easily. In either case one would need a wire coming in to
> the RPi from the gps unit. Mine works fine with the antenna  mounted
> inside a window facing east, through a bunch of cedar trees.
> The OP said it was inside a box in a remote location.
>
You can do it either way. 

The antennas I've seen and used have all used fairly wimpy 2mm OD cable 
regardless of whether I bought them as add-on antennae or they came as 
part of an equipment package, in this case an LX RedBox FLARM and an EW 
Microrecorder. The latter are respectively a glider-oriented anti-
collision receiver and an IGC approved flight recorder. 

By contrast the GPS35HV, a stand-alone blind GPS receiver which outputs 
NMEA 183 sentences, came with 2m of well-rubberised cable of around 5mm 
OD and is built like the proverbial brick outhouse.

There's no contest for which one would get mounted outside: the GPS35 
wins hands down for sheer ruggedness.


-- 
martin@   | Martin Gregorie
gregorie. | Essex, UK
org       |

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#13860

FromRob <nomail@example.com>
Date2015-03-04 08:23 +0000
Message-ID<slrnmfdg8l.mga.nomail@xs8.xs4all.nl>
In reply to#13856
Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> wrote:
> On Tue, 03 Mar 2015 22:27:23 +0000, J G Miller wrote:
>
>> So alternative sources of time could be DVB-t (using a DVB-t card in a
>> PCI, grab the time from that and use it to seed the LAN ntpd) or in a
>> similar manner from DVB-s if a satellite dish is available, or from a
>> GPS handheld receiver.
>>
> Yes, down in ZA I'd probably go for a GPS receiver, but one of the 
> 'blind' receivers, e.g a Garmin GPS35 or GPS18, rather than a handheld.

Silly!

No receiver at all is required, just get a module like described in here:

https://www.modmypi.com/blog/installing-the-rasclock-raspberry-pi-real-time-clock

It will cost much less, will not be dependent on an antenna, and it
is more than good enough for this application.

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#13867

FromRich <rich@example.invalid>
Date2015-03-04 11:19 +0000
Message-ID<md6po7$drf$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#13860
In comp.os.linux.misc Rob <nomail@example.com> wrote:
> Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> wrote:
> > On Tue, 03 Mar 2015 22:27:23 +0000, J G Miller wrote:
> >
> >> So alternative sources of time could be DVB-t (using a DVB-t card
> >> in a PCI, grab the time from that and use it to seed the LAN ntpd)
> >> or in a similar manner from DVB-s if a satellite dish is
> >> available, or from a GPS handheld receiver.
> >>
> > Yes, down in ZA I'd probably go for a GPS receiver, but one of the
> > 'blind' receivers, e.g a Garmin GPS35 or GPS18, rather than a
> > handheld.

> Silly!

> No receiver at all is required, just get a module like described in
> here:

> https://www.modmypi.com/blog/installing-the-rasclock-raspberry-pi-real-time-clock

> It will cost much less, will not be dependent on an antenna, and it
> is more than good enough for this application.

This, being the most sensible and reasonable suggestion, will be
summarially rejected by the Chris Glur troll in one or more of the
following ways:

  1) simply ignored;
  2) an unnecessary 'wal-mart' travel required (never mind how the
     troll came to obtain a rPi in the first place);
  3) too much of a ballerina foo-foo answer;
  4) etc.

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#13902

Frommm0fmf <none@mailinator.com>
Date2015-03-04 17:44 +0000
Message-ID<CvHJw.93051$EW1.38734@fx23.am4>
In reply to#13867
On 04/03/2015 11:19, Rich wrote:
> In comp.os.linux.misc Rob <nomail@example.com> wrote:
>> Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> wrote:
>>> On Tue, 03 Mar 2015 22:27:23 +0000, J G Miller wrote:
>>>
>>>> So alternative sources of time could be DVB-t (using a DVB-t card
>>>> in a PCI, grab the time from that and use it to seed the LAN ntpd)
>>>> or in a similar manner from DVB-s if a satellite dish is
>>>> available, or from a GPS handheld receiver.
>>>>
>>> Yes, down in ZA I'd probably go for a GPS receiver, but one of the
>>> 'blind' receivers, e.g a Garmin GPS35 or GPS18, rather than a
>>> handheld.
>
>> Silly!
>
>> No receiver at all is required, just get a module like described in
>> here:
>
>> https://www.modmypi.com/blog/installing-the-rasclock-raspberry-pi-real-time-clock
>
>> It will cost much less, will not be dependent on an antenna, and it
>> is more than good enough for this application.
>
> This, being the most sensible and reasonable suggestion, will be
> summarially rejected by the Chris Glur troll in one or more of the
> following ways:
>
>    1) simply ignored;
>    2) an unnecessary 'wal-mart' travel required (never mind how the
>       troll came to obtain a rPi in the first place);
>    3) too much of a ballerina foo-foo answer;
>    4) etc.
>

+1

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#13887

FromWilliam Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca>
Date2015-03-04 16:10 +0000
Message-ID<md7apo$mtf$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#13860
On 2015-03-04, Rob <nomail@example.com> wrote:
> Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> wrote:
>> On Tue, 03 Mar 2015 22:27:23 +0000, J G Miller wrote:
>>
>>> So alternative sources of time could be DVB-t (using a DVB-t card in a
>>> PCI, grab the time from that and use it to seed the LAN ntpd) or in a
>>> similar manner from DVB-s if a satellite dish is available, or from a
>>> GPS handheld receiver.
>>>
>> Yes, down in ZA I'd probably go for a GPS receiver, but one of the 
>> 'blind' receivers, e.g a Garmin GPS35 or GPS18, rather than a handheld.
>
> Silly!
>
> No receiver at all is required, just get a module like described in here:
>
> https://www.modmypi.com/blog/installing-the-rasclock-raspberry-pi-real-time-clock
>
> It will cost much less, will not be dependent on an antenna, and it
> is more than good enough for this application.

Well, we do not know what is "good enough"-- the OP has been very sparse
with his requirements or even the situation of the computer. But yes, I
would agree. For $9 it is by far the cheapest alternative. 

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#13861

FromTauno Voipio <tauno.voipio@notused.fi.invalid>
Date2015-03-04 10:43 +0200
Message-ID<md6gir$aod$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#13856
On 4.3.15 02:50, Martin Gregorie wrote:
> On Tue, 03 Mar 2015 22:27:23 +0000, J G Miller wrote:
>
>> So alternative sources of time could be DVB-t (using a DVB-t card in a
>> PCI, grab the time from that and use it to seed the LAN ntpd) or in a
>> similar manner from DVB-s if a satellite dish is available, or from a
>> GPS handheld receiver.
>>
> Yes, down in ZA I'd probably go for a GPS receiver, but one of the
> 'blind' receivers, e.g a Garmin GPS35 or GPS18, rather than a handheld.
> These output an NMEA 183 sentence every second, typically at 4800 baud by
> default but are configurable to higher speeds if required. The GPS35-HV
> model is set up to communicate over a single D-9 connector and wants a
> 12v power supply. From memory the other models use TTL levels.
>
> You can find blind GPS receivers on eBay and can probably find used ones
> in ZA - ships chandlers or yacht clubs would be good places to start
> asking around.
>
> But you're right: Mr Glurr may not agree about the benefits of GPS as a
> time source.


If Mr Glur keeps his manners, GPS is not a solution: The GPS system
does not take the leap seconds into account, so it is now about 15 s
off UTC.

-- 

-TV

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#13862

FromDavid Taylor <david-taylor@blueyonder.co.uk.invalid>
Date2015-03-04 09:28 +0000
Message-ID<md6j6a$k75$3@dont-email.me>
In reply to#13861
On 04/03/2015 08:43, Tauno Voipio wrote:
[]
> If Mr Glur keeps his manners, GPS is not a solution: The GPS system
> does not take the leap seconds into account, so it is now about 15 s
> off UTC.

Most, if not all, deliver UTC and not GPS time directly.

-- 
Cheers,
David
Web: http://www.satsignal.eu

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#13888

FromWilliam Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca>
Date2015-03-04 16:11 +0000
Message-ID<md7as5$mtf$3@dont-email.me>
In reply to#13861
On 2015-03-04, Tauno Voipio <tauno.voipio@notused.fi.invalid> wrote:
> On 4.3.15 02:50, Martin Gregorie wrote:
>> On Tue, 03 Mar 2015 22:27:23 +0000, J G Miller wrote:
>>
>>> So alternative sources of time could be DVB-t (using a DVB-t card in a
>>> PCI, grab the time from that and use it to seed the LAN ntpd) or in a
>>> similar manner from DVB-s if a satellite dish is available, or from a
>>> GPS handheld receiver.
>>>
>> Yes, down in ZA I'd probably go for a GPS receiver, but one of the
>> 'blind' receivers, e.g a Garmin GPS35 or GPS18, rather than a handheld.
>> These output an NMEA 183 sentence every second, typically at 4800 baud by
>> default but are configurable to higher speeds if required. The GPS35-HV
>> model is set up to communicate over a single D-9 connector and wants a
>> 12v power supply. From memory the other models use TTL levels.
>>
>> You can find blind GPS receivers on eBay and can probably find used ones
>> in ZA - ships chandlers or yacht clubs would be good places to start
>> asking around.
>>
>> But you're right: Mr Glurr may not agree about the benefits of GPS as a
>> time source.
>
>
> If Mr Glur keeps his manners, GPS is not a solution: The GPS system
> does not take the leap seconds into account, so it is now about 15 s
> off UTC.

Actually most GPS report UTC not GPS time, but your system can easily
account for leap seconds. 
>

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