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| First post | 2026-09-15 03:52 -0400 |
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Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-15 03:52 -0400
Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de> - 2026-09-15 10:54 +0200
Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-09-15 23:30 +0000
Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! Woozy Song <suzyw0ng@outlook.com> - 2026-09-15 17:08 +0800
Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-15 16:38 +0100
Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-15 17:21 +0000
Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-15 21:32 +0200
Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-16 01:07 +0100
Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-16 00:35 +0000
Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-16 07:13 +0200
Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-16 11:38 +0100
Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-16 21:26 -0400
Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-17 08:17 +0200
Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-17 06:25 +0000
Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-17 08:38 +0200
Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-17 03:34 -0400
Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-17 02:41 -0400
Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-17 09:44 +0200
Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-09-17 17:44 +0000
Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-17 20:38 +0200
Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-17 19:39 +0000
Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-17 19:35 +0000
Ventoy for ISO management? (Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO !) Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2026-09-26 09:23 -0700
Re: Ventoy for ISO management? (Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO !) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-26 19:21 +0000
Re: Ventoy for ISO management? (Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO !) jayjwa <jayjwa@atr2.ath.cx.invalid> - 2026-09-26 19:21 -0400
Re: Tips for dd ( was Re: Ventoy for ISO management?) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-09-27 03:00 +0000
Re: Tips for dd ( was Re: Ventoy for ISO management?) Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> - 2026-09-27 04:18 +0000
Re: Tips for dd ( was Re: Ventoy for ISO management?) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-09-27 07:05 +0000
Re: Tips for dd ( was Re: Ventoy for ISO management?) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 09:17 +0100
Re: Tips for dd ( was Re: Ventoy for ISO management?) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 12:57 +0100
Re: Tips for dd ( was Re: Ventoy for ISO management?) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-27 14:23 +0200
Re: Tips for dd ( was Re: Ventoy for ISO management?) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 17:41 +0100
Re: Tips for dd ( was Re: Ventoy for ISO management?) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-27 19:55 +0200
Re: Tips for dd ( was Re: Ventoy for ISO management?) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-27 12:53 +0200
Re: Tips for dd ( was Re: Ventoy for ISO management?) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 18:04 +0100
Re: Tips for dd ( was Re: Ventoy for ISO management?) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-27 04:13 -0400
Re: Tips for dd ( was Re: Ventoy for ISO management?) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-27 12:53 +0200
Re: Tips for dd ( was Re: Ventoy for ISO management?) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-28 01:37 -0400
Re: Tips for dd ( was Re: Ventoy for ISO management?) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-28 10:09 +0200
Re: Tips for dd ( was Re: Ventoy for ISO management?) Philippe <p.naudin+nntp@free.fr> - 2026-09-28 12:10 +0200
Re: Tips for dd ( was Re: Ventoy for ISO management?) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-09-28 23:03 +0000
Re: Ventoy for ISO management? (Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO !) "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2026-09-27 18:56 +0200
Re: Ventoy for ISO management? (Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO !) Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-09-27 18:17 +0100
Re: Ventoy for ISO management? (Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO !) ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) - 2026-09-28 00:50 +0000
Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-17 19:28 +0000
Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-16 11:37 +0100
Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-16 18:04 +0000
ISO9660 images, vfat USB mass storage devices and El Torito (was: Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO !) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-16 18:55 +0100
Re: ISO9660 images, vfat USB mass storage devices and El Torito c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-16 22:25 -0400
Re: ISO9660 images, vfat USB mass storage devices and El Torito "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-17 08:22 +0200
Re: ISO9660 images, vfat USB mass storage devices and El Torito c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-17 03:28 -0400
Re: ISO9660 images, vfat USB mass storage devices and El Torito "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-17 10:32 +0200
Re: ISO9660 images, vfat USB mass storage devices and El Torito rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-17 20:25 +0000
Re: ISO9660 images, vfat USB mass storage devices and El Torito c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-17 21:26 -0400
Re: ISO9660 images, vfat USB mass storage devices and El Torito "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-19 21:39 +0200
Re: ISO9660 images, vfat USB mass storage devices and El Torito rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-20 01:55 +0000
Re: ISO9660 images, vfat USB mass storage devices and El Torito "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-20 14:10 +0200
Re: ISO9660 images, vfat USB mass storage devices and El Torito rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-20 17:35 +0000
Re: ISO9660 images, vfat USB mass storage devices and El Torito "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-20 21:01 +0200
Re: ISO9660 images, vfat USB mass storage devices and El Torito rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-21 02:28 +0000
Re: ISO9660 images, vfat USB mass storage devices and El Torito "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-21 11:36 +0200
Re: ISO9660 images, vfat USB mass storage devices and El Torito rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-21 19:06 +0000
Re: ISO9660 images, vfat USB mass storage devices and El Torito "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-21 21:48 +0200
Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-16 00:33 +0000
Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-16 07:14 +0200
Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-09-16 05:45 +0000
Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-16 08:52 +0200
Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-09-16 07:44 +0000
Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-16 10:07 +0200
Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-16 17:53 +0000
Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-17 14:02 +0100
Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-17 19:02 +0000
Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-17 22:18 +0100
Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-16 06:18 +0000
Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-16 11:39 +0100
Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-16 17:48 +0000
Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-16 20:40 +0200
Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-16 21:40 -0400
Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-16 22:18 -0400
Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-09-17 03:29 +0000
Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-17 08:25 +0200
Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-17 02:33 -0400
Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-17 14:11 +0100
Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-17 20:40 +0200
Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-17 14:00 +0100
Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-16 21:27 -0400
Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-17 02:11 +0000
Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-17 14:07 +0100
Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-17 19:41 +0000
Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-16 11:35 +0100
Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-16 18:02 +0000
Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-17 14:04 +0100
Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-16 01:05 +0100
Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2026-09-15 05:50 -0700
Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! Philippe <p.naudin+nntp@free.fr> - 2026-09-15 15:23 +0200
Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! Bud Frede <frede@mouse-potato.com> - 2026-10-08 15:52 -0400
Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! Cóilín Nioclásín Glostéir <thanks-to@Taf.com> - 2026-10-10 18:40 +0000
Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-11 00:12 -0400
Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-10-11 10:01 +0100
Monochrome and readability (was: Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO !) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-11 10:15 +0100
Re: Monochrome and readability The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-11 10:37 +0100
Re: Monochrome and readability c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-12 01:06 -0400
Re: Monochrome and readability Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-10-12 10:12 +0100
Re: Monochrome and readability Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-12 21:08 +0000
Re: Monochrome and readability John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-10-12 14:50 -0700
Re: Monochrome and readability Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-10-15 02:51 +0000
Re: Monochrome and readability c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-13 00:58 -0400
Re: Monochrome and readability Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-12 16:27 +0000
Re: Monochrome and readability Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-12 21:14 +0000
Re: Monochrome and readability c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-13 01:37 -0400
Re: Monochrome and readability "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-13 12:50 +0200
Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-11 10:37 +0100
Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-11 21:31 +0000
Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-11 10:31 +0100
Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-09-15 14:40 +0100
Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-15 17:24 +0000
Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-09-16 01:50 +0000
Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> - 2026-09-16 02:31 +0000
Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-16 06:25 +0000
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| From | Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-09-28 23:03 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Tips for dd ( was Re: Ventoy for ISO management?) |
| Message-ID | <119ern7$2pbl7$3@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #92364 |
On Mon, 28 Sep 2026 12:10:13 +0200, Philippe wrote: > Also with conv=fsync (*not* conv=sync): dd « physically write output > file data before finishing » That’s what I have started using. And I advise others to do the same!
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| From | "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-09-27 18:56 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: Ventoy for ISO management? (Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO !) |
| Message-ID | <nht050F98fcU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #92222 |
On Sat, 26 Sep 2026 09:23:00 -0700, Lars Poulsen wrote: > Do any of you have experience with using Ventoy? > The idea is that a Ventoy formatted USB storage has a VFAT file system > on top; EFI boots into Ventoy's boot manager, where you select an > ISO to boot into. So a 64GB USB stick can hold 5-10 ISO images. I used Universal USB Installer (UUI) and Rufus, but then switched to Ventoy after reading about it on Usenet. Just like you say: it can store several ISO on one flash drive. Another nifty thing: you can update Ventoy without losing the ISO images. -- Horum omnium fortissimi sunt Belgae. - Julius Caesar
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| From | Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> |
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| Date | 2026-09-27 18:17 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: Ventoy for ISO management? (Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO !) |
| Message-ID | <nht1dfF9g5gU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #92326 |
s|b wrote: > I used Universal USB Installer (UUI) and Rufus, but then switched to > Ventoy after reading about it on Usenet. Just like you say: it can store > several ISO on one flash drive. Another nifty thing: you can update > Ventoy without losing the ISO images. Has anyone got the Peter Nordahl NT Password reset iso to work with Ventoy?
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| From | ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) |
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| Date | 2026-09-28 00:50 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Ventoy for ISO management? (Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO !) |
| Message-ID | <119cdkr$1tenp$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #92222 |
Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> wrote:
> Do any of you have experience with using Ventoy?
> The idea is that a Ventoy formatted USB storage has a VFAT file system
> on top; EFI boots into Ventoy's boot manager, where you select an
> ISO to boot into. So a 64GB USB stick can hold 5-10 ISO images.
Ventoy rocks!
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-09-17 19:28 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <nh2tblF499oU2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #91611 |
On Thu, 17 Sep 2026 02:41:16 -0400, c186282 wrote: > DID use SUSE/OpenSUSE extensively back in the day - but then it got > kinda WEIRD and I dropped it in favor of vanilla Deb for my servers. https://github.com/BryanLunduke/LCOS The Lunduke Computer Operating System. I brought it up in a VM for kicks. It's downstream of Devuan so no systemd/Wayland. He's go a weird sense of humor since it features the Cool Retro Terminal that looks like an old amber monitor with a slow sweep. No editor shows up in the applications although nano is there. Vim can be installed but not my preferred vim-gtk. 'No Weird Politics', except Lunduke;s of course. https://lunduke.substack.com/p/opensuse-says-no-lunduke-allowed
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-09-16 11:37 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <118drgt$39eq9$11@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #91518 |
On 16/09/2026 01:35, rbowman wrote: > On Wed, 16 Sep 2026 01:07:24 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > >> On 15/09/2026 20:32, Carlos E. R. wrote: >>> On 2026-09-15 19:21, rbowman wrote: >>>> On Tue, 15 Sep 2026 16:38:03 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >>>> >>>>> On 15/09/2026 10:08, Woozy Song wrote: >>>>>> c186282 wrote: >>>>>>> Remember when Linux used to be SMALL ??? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> Yes they used to make 'enterprise' linux that fitted on 1 DVD, >>>>>> now bloat bloat bloat >>>>> >>>>> It still does... >>>>> Linux images/linuxmint-22.3-mate-64bit.iso 3.1 GB (3134275584 bytes) >>>> >>>> SUSE Leap's offline installer is 4.2G. The largest iso I have is >>>> Omarchy at 5.9G. SUSE should still make it on a single layer DVD but >>>> not on a vfat formatted thumb drive. It does include 3 DEs. >>> >>> It works fine in a fat formatted thumb drive, because the installation >>> process destroys the format and uses its own instead. >>> >>> Who is using a fat stick to save isos today, anyway? Not Linux users. >>> Use exfat at least. >>> >> ???? the .iso file contains its own formatting, boot and root partitions >> and all. >> >> VFAT doesnt go near it . > > Try copying an iso greater than 4 GB to a vfat formatted thumb drive. > Dint be silly., You dont 'copy the ISO file' You copy the file format, boot records, and all the partitions within the ISO to the RAW thumbdrive -- Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as foolish, and by the rulers as useful. (Seneca the Younger, 65 AD)
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-09-16 18:04 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <nh040mF83ghU27@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #91566 |
On Wed, 16 Sep 2026 11:37:17 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > On 16/09/2026 01:35, rbowman wrote: >> On Wed, 16 Sep 2026 01:07:24 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >> >>> On 15/09/2026 20:32, Carlos E. R. wrote: >>>> On 2026-09-15 19:21, rbowman wrote: >>>>> On Tue, 15 Sep 2026 16:38:03 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On 15/09/2026 10:08, Woozy Song wrote: >>>>>>> c186282 wrote: >>>>>>>> Remember when Linux used to be SMALL ??? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> Yes they used to make 'enterprise' linux that fitted on 1 DVD, >>>>>>> now bloat bloat bloat >>>>>> >>>>>> It still does... >>>>>> Linux images/linuxmint-22.3-mate-64bit.iso 3.1 GB (3134275584 >>>>>> bytes) >>>>> >>>>> SUSE Leap's offline installer is 4.2G. The largest iso I have is >>>>> Omarchy at 5.9G. SUSE should still make it on a single layer DVD but >>>>> not on a vfat formatted thumb drive. It does include 3 DEs. >>>> >>>> It works fine in a fat formatted thumb drive, because the >>>> installation process destroys the format and uses its own instead. >>>> >>>> Who is using a fat stick to save isos today, anyway? Not Linux users. >>>> Use exfat at least. >>>> >>> ???? the .iso file contains its own formatting, boot and root >>> partitions and all. >>> >>> VFAT doesnt go near it . >> >> Try copying an iso greater than 4 GB to a vfat formatted thumb drive. >> > Dint be silly., You dont 'copy the ISO file' Fucking reading comprehension is at a all time low. > You copy the file format, boot records, and all the partitions within > the ISO to the RAW thumbdrive
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| From | Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-09-16 18:55 +0100 |
| Subject | ISO9660 images, vfat USB mass storage devices and El Torito (was: Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO !) |
| Message-ID | <118el6h$3jnoh$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #91518 |
On 2026-09-16, rbowman wrote: > On Wed, 16 Sep 2026 01:07:24 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > >> On 15/09/2026 20:32, Carlos E. R. wrote: >>> On 2026-09-15 19:21, rbowman wrote: >>>> On Tue, 15 Sep 2026 16:38:03 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >>>> >>>>> On 15/09/2026 10:08, Woozy Song wrote: >>>>>> c186282 wrote: >>>>>>> Remember when Linux used to be SMALL ??? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> Yes they used to make 'enterprise' linux that fitted on 1 DVD, >>>>>> now bloat bloat bloat >>>>> >>>>> It still does... >>>>> Linux images/linuxmint-22.3-mate-64bit.iso 3.1 GB (3134275584 bytes) >>>> >>>> SUSE Leap's offline installer is 4.2G. The largest iso I have is >>>> Omarchy at 5.9G. SUSE should still make it on a single layer DVD but >>>> not on a vfat formatted thumb drive. It does include 3 DEs. >>> >>> It works fine in a fat formatted thumb drive, because the installation >>> process destroys the format and uses its own instead. >>> >>> Who is using a fat stick to save isos today, anyway? Not Linux users. >>> Use exfat at least. >>> >> ???? the .iso file contains its own formatting, boot and root partitions >> and all. >> >> VFAT doesnt go near it . > > Try copying an iso greater than 4 GB to a vfat formatted thumb drive. That's only if you want to move it across different systems while inside a FAT* filesystem, but if you want to *boot* it, it won't work unless there's some special arrangement to find the ISO image inside the filesystem and chainload it (is this even easy to do if the image requires random access to the disc to boot? IIRC El Torito had two boot methods, floppy images and... was it hard disk emulation?). -- Nuno Silva
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2026-09-16 22:25 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: ISO9660 images, vfat USB mass storage devices and El Torito |
| Message-ID | <_4OdnQ3HEs1x0jb3nZ2dnZfqn_qdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #91578 |
On 9/16/26 13:55, Nuno Silva wrote: > On 2026-09-16, rbowman wrote: > >> On Wed, 16 Sep 2026 01:07:24 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >> >>> On 15/09/2026 20:32, Carlos E. R. wrote: >>>> On 2026-09-15 19:21, rbowman wrote: >>>>> On Tue, 15 Sep 2026 16:38:03 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On 15/09/2026 10:08, Woozy Song wrote: >>>>>>> c186282 wrote: >>>>>>>> Remember when Linux used to be SMALL ??? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> Yes they used to make 'enterprise' linux that fitted on 1 DVD, >>>>>>> now bloat bloat bloat >>>>>> >>>>>> It still does... >>>>>> Linux images/linuxmint-22.3-mate-64bit.iso 3.1 GB (3134275584 bytes) >>>>> >>>>> SUSE Leap's offline installer is 4.2G. The largest iso I have is >>>>> Omarchy at 5.9G. SUSE should still make it on a single layer DVD but >>>>> not on a vfat formatted thumb drive. It does include 3 DEs. >>>> >>>> It works fine in a fat formatted thumb drive, because the installation >>>> process destroys the format and uses its own instead. >>>> >>>> Who is using a fat stick to save isos today, anyway? Not Linux users. >>>> Use exfat at least. >>>> >>> ???? the .iso file contains its own formatting, boot and root partitions >>> and all. >>> >>> VFAT doesnt go near it . >> >> Try copying an iso greater than 4 GB to a vfat formatted thumb drive. > > That's only if you want to move it across different systems while inside > a FAT* filesystem, but if you want to *boot* it, it won't work unless > there's some special arrangement to find the ISO image inside the > filesystem and chainload it (is this even easy to do if the image > requires random access to the disc to boot? IIRC El Torito had two boot > methods, floppy images and... was it hard disk emulation?). > Just tried, and verified, the neato-trick presented here : Insert stick, make sure it's mounted, 'lsblk' will give you all you need. Then : "cp MyISOFile.iso /dev/sda" or "sdb" or whichever. Apparently cp then treats the stick as a 'device' rather than a file system. It's kind of the same effect as using 'dd'.
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-09-17 08:22 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: ISO9660 images, vfat USB mass storage devices and El Torito |
| Message-ID | <fhdsnmx95q.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #91598 |
On 2026-09-17 04:25, c186282 wrote: > On 9/16/26 13:55, Nuno Silva wrote: >> On 2026-09-16, rbowman wrote: >> >>> On Wed, 16 Sep 2026 01:07:24 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >>> >>>> On 15/09/2026 20:32, Carlos E. R. wrote: >>>>> On 2026-09-15 19:21, rbowman wrote: >>>>>> On Tue, 15 Sep 2026 16:38:03 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >>> Try copying an iso greater than 4 GB to a vfat formatted thumb drive. >> >> That's only if you want to move it across different systems while inside >> a FAT* filesystem, but if you want to *boot* it, it won't work unless >> there's some special arrangement to find the ISO image inside the >> filesystem and chainload it (is this even easy to do if the image >> requires random access to the disc to boot? IIRC El Torito had two boot >> methods, floppy images and... was it hard disk emulation?). >> > > Just tried, and verified, the neato-trick presented > here : > > Insert stick, make sure it's mounted, 'lsblk' will give > you all you need. on the contrary, do not mount. It works both ways, but weird errors may happen with the mount. > > Then : > > "cp MyISOFile.iso /dev/sda" or "sdb" or whichever. > > Apparently cp then treats the stick as a 'device' > rather than a file system. It's kind of the same > effect as using 'dd'. Because you are not copying to the filesystem, that is in the mount point. Even "echo" can do the trick IIRC; or cat. dd is not the only destroyer here. -- Cheers, Carlos. ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2026-09-17 03:28 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: ISO9660 images, vfat USB mass storage devices and El Torito |
| Message-ID | <_4OdnQTHEs21Cjb3nZ2dnZfqn_qdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #91606 |
On 9/17/26 02:22, Carlos E.R. wrote: > On 2026-09-17 04:25, c186282 wrote: >> On 9/16/26 13:55, Nuno Silva wrote: >>> On 2026-09-16, rbowman wrote: >>> >>>> On Wed, 16 Sep 2026 01:07:24 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >>>> >>>>> On 15/09/2026 20:32, Carlos E. R. wrote: >>>>>> On 2026-09-15 19:21, rbowman wrote: >>>>>>> On Tue, 15 Sep 2026 16:38:03 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > > >>>> Try copying an iso greater than 4 GB to a vfat formatted thumb drive. >>> >>> That's only if you want to move it across different systems while inside >>> a FAT* filesystem, but if you want to *boot* it, it won't work unless >>> there's some special arrangement to find the ISO image inside the >>> filesystem and chainload it (is this even easy to do if the image >>> requires random access to the disc to boot? IIRC El Torito had two boot >>> methods, floppy images and... was it hard disk emulation?). >>> >> >> Just tried, and verified, the neato-trick presented >> here : >> >> Insert stick, make sure it's mounted, 'lsblk' will give >> you all you need. > > on the contrary, do not mount. It works both ways, but weird errors may > happen with the mount. > >> >> Then : >> >> "cp MyISOFile.iso /dev/sda" or "sdb" or whichever. >> >> Apparently cp then treats the stick as a 'device' >> rather than a file system. It's kind of the same >> effect as using 'dd'. > > Because you are not copying to the filesystem, that is in the mount point. Correct. I see how it works. > Even "echo" can do the trick IIRC; or cat. dd is not the only destroyer > here. Heh ... ALWAYS be VERY careful when doing this stuff !!! :-) But ... I doubt that 10% of current Linux users can cope with command-line stuff or have the slightest clue WHY or HOW it works. If it's not point-n-click they freak. MUCH worse for Win/Apple people ... maybe just ONE percent, and it's all the OLD geeks. Hmmm ... saw stories on alt media, now on the MSM, about how Gen-Z/A2 just CAN'T talk to humans on the damned phone. TERRIFIES them ! The very thought paralyzes ! Won't even talk to their best buds, HAS to be texts or vids or pics. Sorry, texts and AI will NOT transmit the nuances of what you want/need very well. An actual human, even in Bangalore, will "get it" in a few seconds. What the fuck has HAPPENED to the recent gens ??? Is NOT good. I'd be in favor of removing all text/AI "support" for anything by law - just to strong-arm these kiddies :-) If they won't talk even to their peers then it's TOO easy for evil forces to manipulate them. Frame the laws as a "defense issue". Making a big change in my old phone system right now. "Sam" in Bangalore quickly grasped my problem and got things rolling. A, basically, giant cell phone with lots of plugs, came in the other day. WAY lots of options and 'support' numbers for every step alas. So, getting a tekkie to come install the thing, get as much resolved straight off as possible. No it doesn't have a web interface, at least not directly. Gonna HAVE to call a few of those support numbers again. NOT sure how to even PAY for it ... what site/password/etc ??? Might even have to go talk to actual HUMANS directly at their store - horrors !!! I'm a bit 'spectrum' (no such term when I was a kiddie) and don't love direct interaction, but, well, sometimes that's the only way to get it all straight. I'll survive with minimal trauma. Gen-Z however ....... One thing clear by now, they're NOT gonna fix my landline problem. They are very keen to DROP all wires - too expensive to cope with. Sad, the landline worked even if the main power died. May have to buy a rather large UPS ..... Hmm ... better clean all the JUNK - piles of papers and shit - before the tekkie arrives ! One old guy. Fortunately I don't keep plates of half-eaten food laying around. Great scene in that "Flash" movie ... house FULL of rotting foodstuffs and such, which our hero had to fix in one second :-)
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-09-17 10:32 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: ISO9660 images, vfat USB mass storage devices and El Torito |
| Message-ID | <v5lsnmx8pe.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #91613 |
On 2026-09-17 09:28, c186282 wrote: > On 9/17/26 02:22, Carlos E.R. wrote: >> On 2026-09-17 04:25, c186282 wrote: >>> On 9/16/26 13:55, Nuno Silva wrote: >>>> On 2026-09-16, rbowman wrote: >>>> >>>>> On Wed, 16 Sep 2026 01:07:24 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >>>>> >> Because you are not copying to the filesystem, that is in the mount >> point. > > Correct. I see how it works. > >> Even "echo" can do the trick IIRC; or cat. dd is not the only >> destroyer here. > > Heh ... ALWAYS be VERY careful when doing this stuff !!! :-) > > But ... I doubt that 10% of current Linux users can cope > with command-line stuff or have the slightest clue WHY > or HOW it works. If it's not point-n-click they freak. I know those. I had a friend that wanted to use Linux, but refused to use the CLI at all, so he could not use it because there was always some admin task that needed the CLI. And now openSUSE dropped YaST, so it is even worse. > > MUCH worse for Win/Apple people ... maybe just ONE percent, > and it's all the OLD geeks. I was a Windows guy, but I was born before MsDOS. The Linux CLI was home, with some key differences. Most important one, the *.* thing, and bash expanding it before calling a program. > > Hmmm ... saw stories on alt media, now on the MSM, > about how Gen-Z/A2 just CAN'T talk to humans on > the damned phone. TERRIFIES them ! The very thought > paralyzes ! Won't even talk to their best buds, HAS > to be texts or vids or pics. LOL. Don't say that while I'm having my morning tea, I almost ruined keyboard and screen :-D > > Sorry, texts and AI will NOT transmit the nuances > of what you want/need very well. An actual human, > even in Bangalore, will "get it" in a few seconds. > > What the fuck has HAPPENED to the recent gens ??? > > Is NOT good. They don't know what a directory or folder is. > > I'd be in favor of removing all text/AI "support" > for anything by law - just to strong-arm these kiddies :-) > If they won't talk even to their peers then it's TOO > easy for evil forces to manipulate them. > > Frame the laws as a "defense issue". > > Making a big change in my old phone system right > now. "Sam" in Bangalore quickly grasped my problem > and got things rolling. A, basically, giant cell > phone with lots of plugs, came in the other day. > WAY lots of options and 'support' numbers for > every step alas. So, getting a tekkie to come > install the thing, get as much resolved straight > off as possible. No it doesn't have a web interface, > at least not directly. Gonna HAVE to call a few of > those support numbers again. NOT sure how to even > PAY for it ... what site/password/etc ??? Might > even have to go talk to actual HUMANS directly > at their store - horrors !!! I'm a bit 'spectrum' > (no such term when I was a kiddie) and don't love > direct interaction, but, well, sometimes that's > the only way to get it all straight. I'll survive > with minimal trauma. Gen-Z however ....... I'm probably also a bit in the spectrum (doctor says no, but I don't believe her :-D ). I prefer vertical conversation to phone, actually. So to make an appointment with some people I walk or grab the car. > > One thing clear by now, they're NOT gonna fix > my landline problem. They are very keen to DROP > all wires - too expensive to cope with. Sad, > the landline worked even if the main power died. > May have to buy a rather large UPS ..... Consider a 12v UPS for router and phone. > Hmm ... better clean all the JUNK - piles of papers > and shit - before the tekkie arrives ! One old guy. > Fortunately I don't keep plates of half-eaten food > laying around. Great scene in that "Flash" movie ... > house FULL of rotting foodstuffs and such, which our > hero had to fix in one second :-) yeah. No, I'm not there either. -- Cheers, Carlos. ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-09-17 20:25 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: ISO9660 images, vfat USB mass storage devices and El Torito |
| Message-ID | <nh30mcF499oU11@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #91617 |
On Thu, 17 Sep 2026 10:32:31 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote: > And now openSUSE dropped YaST, so it is even worse. Tumbleweed installs more Yasts than I know what to do with. There are 32 Yast something or others in the System menu. They all want the root password and since I never set up the root account, they're useless. Merlyn is there and works as expected.
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2026-09-17 21:26 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: ISO9660 images, vfat USB mass storage devices and El Torito |
| Message-ID | <jOacnaATAeHUDjH3nZ2dnZfqnPSdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #91617 |
On 9/17/26 04:32, Carlos E.R. wrote: > On 2026-09-17 09:28, c186282 wrote: >> On 9/17/26 02:22, Carlos E.R. wrote: >>> On 2026-09-17 04:25, c186282 wrote: >>>> On 9/16/26 13:55, Nuno Silva wrote: >>>>> On 2026-09-16, rbowman wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, 16 Sep 2026 01:07:24 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >>>>>> > > >>> Because you are not copying to the filesystem, that is in the mount >>> point. >> >> Correct. I see how it works. >> >>> Even "echo" can do the trick IIRC; or cat. dd is not the only >>> destroyer here. >> >> Heh ... ALWAYS be VERY careful when doing this stuff !!! :-) >> >> But ... I doubt that 10% of current Linux users can cope >> with command-line stuff or have the slightest clue WHY >> or HOW it works. If it's not point-n-click they freak. > > I know those. I had a friend that wanted to use Linux, but refused to > use the CLI at all, so he could not use it because there was always some > admin task that needed the CLI. > > And now openSUSE dropped YaST, so it is even worse. I used it for a LONG time - desktops and servers. Even got it to run on a PI-4. YAST was maybe THE best feature - it was all business and let you see or set up all kinds of complex shit in just a few clicks. Want a softRAID array, YAST would make it super-easy, even some more subtle options, WITH a little advice on when/how to use them. I've done it the Hard Way ... YAST was the Better Way for sure ! But then OS started slipping, getting weird. Slowly at first, then more and faster. Dropping YAST was the final straw. I keep a fairly current ISO, but really I'm never gonna use it for anything. My GUESS is that YAST and some of the other stuff were writ and maintained by A FEW OLD GUYS - and they retired. >> MUCH worse for Win/Apple people ... maybe just ONE percent, >> and it's all the OLD geeks. > > I was a Windows guy, but I was born before MsDOS. The Linux CLI was > home, with some key differences. Most important one, the *.* thing, and > bash expanding it before calling a program. I did PDP-11s, then CP/M, then DOS and so forth. XP was the last version I could even STAND ... Win2k was my fave (have it in a VM somewhere). As an IT, I had to cope with an office full if Winders boxes and clueless users for a long time. DID convert all the back-room stuff to Linux as soon as it was possible ... Oh, go through even the Win2k registry - look for "NSA BACKDOOR" :-) >> Hmmm ... saw stories on alt media, now on the MSM, >> about how Gen-Z/A2 just CAN'T talk to humans on >> the damned phone. TERRIFIES them ! The very thought >> paralyzes ! Won't even talk to their best buds, HAS >> to be texts or vids or pics. > > LOL. Don't say that while I'm having my morning tea, I almost ruined > keyboard and screen :-D Morning tea ? UK ? Don't know what the kiddies THERE are like. Likely something ELSE simple terrifies THEM. >> Sorry, texts and AI will NOT transmit the nuances >> of what you want/need very well. An actual human, >> even in Bangalore, will "get it" in a few seconds. >> >> What the fuck has HAPPENED to the recent gens ??? >> >> Is NOT good. > > They don't know what a directory or folder is. Ask most people how an automobile works. Most will just say "You turn the key and it goes". >> I'd be in favor of removing all text/AI "support" >> for anything by law - just to strong-arm these kiddies :-) >> If they won't talk even to their peers then it's TOO >> easy for evil forces to manipulate them. >> >> Frame the laws as a "defense issue". >> >> Making a big change in my old phone system right >> now. "Sam" in Bangalore quickly grasped my problem >> and got things rolling. A, basically, giant cell >> phone with lots of plugs, came in the other day. >> WAY lots of options and 'support' numbers for >> every step alas. So, getting a tekkie to come >> install the thing, get as much resolved straight >> off as possible. No it doesn't have a web interface, >> at least not directly. Gonna HAVE to call a few of >> those support numbers again. NOT sure how to even >> PAY for it ... what site/password/etc ??? Might >> even have to go talk to actual HUMANS directly >> at their store - horrors !!! I'm a bit 'spectrum' >> (no such term when I was a kiddie) and don't love >> direct interaction, but, well, sometimes that's >> the only way to get it all straight. I'll survive >> with minimal trauma. Gen-Z however ....... > > I'm probably also a bit in the spectrum (doctor says no, but I don't > believe her :-D ). I prefer vertical conversation to phone, actually. So > to make an appointment with some people I walk or grab the car. Well, 'phone' was kind of the ONLY way in my youth so I mastered the art of phone conversations. >> One thing clear by now, they're NOT gonna fix >> my landline problem. They are very keen to DROP >> all wires - too expensive to cope with. Sad, >> the landline worked even if the main power died. >> May have to buy a rather large UPS ..... > > Consider a 12v UPS for router and phone. Have, already shopped Amazon. Prices are, like most electronics, much higher now alas. But - maybe really need to keep a fairly strong one in reserve. The power company uses yer number to kind of confirm yer address and validity. No power = no call from the number. There IS a place down the road a bit that deals in UPSs and LED lighting and such - and WILL exchange dead batteries. Would still rather have lead-acid for the safety angle. Have one small one that uses LiPo ... don't entirely trust it to not explode at 3AM. Have a spare old smoke detector - guess where I stuck it ? :-) >> Hmm ... better clean all the JUNK - piles of papers >> and shit - before the tekkie arrives ! One old guy. >> Fortunately I don't keep plates of half-eaten food >> laying around. Great scene in that "Flash" movie ... >> house FULL of rotting foodstuffs and such, which our >> hero had to fix in one second :-) > > yeah. No, I'm not there either. All my 'cooking' is microwaving shit. I use my old oven to store worrisome LiPo batteries. Hey, a 500+ degree resistant metal box !
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-09-19 21:39 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: ISO9660 images, vfat USB mass storage devices and El Torito |
| Message-ID | <2153omx3so.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #91689 |
On 2026-09-18 03:26, c186282 wrote: > On 9/17/26 04:32, Carlos E.R. wrote: >> On 2026-09-17 09:28, c186282 wrote: >>> On 9/17/26 02:22, Carlos E.R. wrote: >>>> On 2026-09-17 04:25, c186282 wrote: >>>>> On 9/16/26 13:55, Nuno Silva wrote: >>>>>> On 2026-09-16, rbowman wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Wed, 16 Sep 2026 01:07:24 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >>>>>>> >> >> >>>> Because you are not copying to the filesystem, that is in the mount >>>> point. >>> >>> Correct. I see how it works. >>> >>>> Even "echo" can do the trick IIRC; or cat. dd is not the only >>>> destroyer here. >>> >>> Heh ... ALWAYS be VERY careful when doing this stuff !!! :-) >>> >>> But ... I doubt that 10% of current Linux users can cope >>> with command-line stuff or have the slightest clue WHY >>> or HOW it works. If it's not point-n-click they freak. >> >> I know those. I had a friend that wanted to use Linux, but refused to >> use the CLI at all, so he could not use it because there was always >> some admin task that needed the CLI. >> >> And now openSUSE dropped YaST, so it is even worse. > > I used it for a LONG time - desktops and servers. > Even got it to run on a PI-4. > > YAST was maybe THE best feature - it was all business > and let you see or set up all kinds of complex shit in > just a few clicks. Want a softRAID array, YAST would > make it super-easy, even some more subtle options, WITH > a little advice on when/how to use them. I've done it > the Hard Way ... YAST was the Better Way for sure ! > > But then OS started slipping, getting weird. Slowly at > first, then more and faster. Dropping YAST was the > final straw. I keep a fairly current ISO, but really > I'm never gonna use it for anything. > > My GUESS is that YAST and some of the other stuff were > writ and maintained by A FEW OLD GUYS - and they retired. It is written in Ruby and few people can do it. > > >>> MUCH worse for Win/Apple people ... maybe just ONE percent, >>> and it's all the OLD geeks. >> >> I was a Windows guy, but I was born before MsDOS. The Linux CLI was >> home, with some key differences. Most important one, the *.* thing, >> and bash expanding it before calling a program. > > I did PDP-11s, then CP/M, then DOS and so forth. > XP was the last version I could even STAND ... > Win2k was my fave (have it in a VM somewhere). > As an IT, I had to cope with an office full if > Winders boxes and clueless users for a long time. > DID convert all the back-room stuff to Linux as > soon as it was possible ... > > Oh, go through even the Win2k registry - look > for "NSA BACKDOOR" :-) > >>> Hmmm ... saw stories on alt media, now on the MSM, >>> about how Gen-Z/A2 just CAN'T talk to humans on >>> the damned phone. TERRIFIES them ! The very thought >>> paralyzes ! Won't even talk to their best buds, HAS >>> to be texts or vids or pics. >> >> LOL. Don't say that while I'm having my morning tea, I almost ruined >> keyboard and screen :-D > > Morning tea ? UK ? Don't know what the kiddies THERE > are like. Likely something ELSE simple terrifies THEM. No, Spain. But I have British ancestors. :-) > >>> Sorry, texts and AI will NOT transmit the nuances >>> of what you want/need very well. An actual human, >>> even in Bangalore, will "get it" in a few seconds. >>> >>> What the fuck has HAPPENED to the recent gens ??? >>> >>> Is NOT good. >> >> They don't know what a directory or folder is. > > Ask most people how an automobile works. Most > will just say "You turn the key and it goes". Ah, well, I don't know how my current car works. My first one yes, not this one. Lots of electronics and tricks. There is a duct from the top of the gasoline tank to the motor. Somewhere there is a canister with carbon granules. Gasoline vapours gets trapped there. A computer activated valve lets pass some gases to the admission tubes, to be burnt. The valve got stuck or something. Effects weird in engine idle regime. Computer said motor failure. Anti-skid system failure. Car speed limited to 100Km/h. Repair was cheap, once the mechanic knew what the problem was from my descriptions of weird symptoms because he had a similar trouble on another car before. >>> I'd be in favor of removing all text/AI "support" >>> for anything by law - just to strong-arm these kiddies :-) >>> If they won't talk even to their peers then it's TOO >>> easy for evil forces to manipulate them. >>> >>> Frame the laws as a "defense issue". >>> >>> Making a big change in my old phone system right >>> now. "Sam" in Bangalore quickly grasped my problem >>> and got things rolling. A, basically, giant cell >>> phone with lots of plugs, came in the other day. >>> WAY lots of options and 'support' numbers for >>> every step alas. So, getting a tekkie to come >>> install the thing, get as much resolved straight >>> off as possible. No it doesn't have a web interface, >>> at least not directly. Gonna HAVE to call a few of >>> those support numbers again. NOT sure how to even >>> PAY for it ... what site/password/etc ??? Might >>> even have to go talk to actual HUMANS directly >>> at their store - horrors !!! I'm a bit 'spectrum' >>> (no such term when I was a kiddie) and don't love >>> direct interaction, but, well, sometimes that's >>> the only way to get it all straight. I'll survive >>> with minimal trauma. Gen-Z however ....... >> >> I'm probably also a bit in the spectrum (doctor says no, but I don't >> believe her :-D ). I prefer vertical conversation to phone, actually. >> So to make an appointment with some people I walk or grab the car. > > Well, 'phone' was kind of the ONLY way in my youth > so I mastered the art of phone conversations. > > >>> One thing clear by now, they're NOT gonna fix >>> my landline problem. They are very keen to DROP >>> all wires - too expensive to cope with. Sad, >>> the landline worked even if the main power died. >>> May have to buy a rather large UPS ..... >> >> Consider a 12v UPS for router and phone. > > Have, already shopped Amazon. Prices are, like most > electronics, much higher now alas. But - maybe really > need to keep a fairly strong one in reserve. The power > company uses yer number to kind of confirm yer address > and validity. No power = no call from the number. > > There IS a place down the road a bit that deals in > UPSs and LED lighting and such - and WILL exchange > dead batteries. Would still rather have lead-acid > for the safety angle. Have one small one that uses > LiPo ... don't entirely trust it to not explode > at 3AM. Have a spare old smoke detector - guess > where I stuck it ? :-) :-D > >>> Hmm ... better clean all the JUNK - piles of papers >>> and shit - before the tekkie arrives ! One old guy. >>> Fortunately I don't keep plates of half-eaten food >>> laying around. Great scene in that "Flash" movie ... >>> house FULL of rotting foodstuffs and such, which our >>> hero had to fix in one second :-) >> >> yeah. No, I'm not there either. > > All my 'cooking' is microwaving shit. I use my old > oven to store worrisome LiPo batteries. Hey, a 500+ > degree resistant metal box ! Right! But I do use my oven for frozen pizzas. -- Cheers, Carlos. ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-09-20 01:55 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: ISO9660 images, vfat USB mass storage devices and El Torito |
| Message-ID | <nh8sp4Fh0bbU17@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #91792 |
On Sat, 19 Sep 2026 21:39:46 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote: > It is written in Ruby and few people can do it. I missed the part when it was rewritten in Ruby rather than YCP. Ruby was a shooting star. I sniffed at it in the late '90s and most of the documentation was still poorly translated Japanese. "Come all you fair and tender ladies Take a warning how you court your man They’re like a bright star on a cloudy morning First appear and then they're gone" Applies to programmers too. Myrlyn is C++ in keeping with the Qt base.
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-09-20 14:10 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: ISO9660 images, vfat USB mass storage devices and El Torito |
| Message-ID | <t2v4omx1o7.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #91804 |
On 2026-09-20 03:55, rbowman wrote: > On Sat, 19 Sep 2026 21:39:46 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote: > >> It is written in Ruby and few people can do it. > > I missed the part when it was rewritten in Ruby rather than YCP. Ruby was > a shooting star. I sniffed at it in the late '90s and most of the > documentation was still poorly translated Japanese. > > "Come all you fair and tender ladies > Take a warning how you court your man > They’re like a bright star on a cloudy morning > First appear and then they're gone" > > Applies to programmers too. > > Myrlyn is C++ in keeping with the Qt base. But it is not an official app. It comes, IIRC, from a retired employee. -- Cheers, Carlos. ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-09-20 17:35 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: ISO9660 images, vfat USB mass storage devices and El Torito |
| Message-ID | <nhajqsFh0bbU21@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #91842 |
On Sun, 20 Sep 2026 14:10:37 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote: > On 2026-09-20 03:55, rbowman wrote: >> On Sat, 19 Sep 2026 21:39:46 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote: >> >>> It is written in Ruby and few people can do it. >> >> I missed the part when it was rewritten in Ruby rather than YCP. Ruby >> was a shooting star. I sniffed at it in the late '90s and most of the >> documentation was still poorly translated Japanese. >> >> "Come all you fair and tender ladies Take a warning how you court your >> man They’re like a bright star on a cloudy morning First appear and >> then they're gone" >> >> Applies to programmers too. >> >> Myrlyn is C++ in keeping with the Qt base. > > But it is not an official app. It comes, IIRC, from a retired employee. You mean Yast? Busy guy. When I upgraded to Tumbleweed I got over 20 different Yast things on the System menu rather than one Yast to rule them all. I tried one and it wanted a root password which i never set up. 'zypper dup' works fine. I think I had a senior moment somewhere along the way. I went to install sway yesterday and it was already there. When I logged into a sway session it had a lot of SUSE configuration like alacrity and wofi. I'd obviously never used it since there was no ~/.config/sway/config file. That's the first thing I have to do with i3/sway to set the mouse to left handed.
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-09-20 21:01 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: ISO9660 images, vfat USB mass storage devices and El Torito |
| Message-ID | <p5n5omxl7d.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #91853 |
On 2026-09-20 19:35, rbowman wrote: > On Sun, 20 Sep 2026 14:10:37 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote: > >> On 2026-09-20 03:55, rbowman wrote: >>> On Sat, 19 Sep 2026 21:39:46 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote: >>> >>>> It is written in Ruby and few people can do it. >>> >>> I missed the part when it was rewritten in Ruby rather than YCP. Ruby >>> was a shooting star. I sniffed at it in the late '90s and most of the >>> documentation was still poorly translated Japanese. >>> >>> "Come all you fair and tender ladies Take a warning how you court your >>> man They’re like a bright star on a cloudy morning First appear and >>> then they're gone" >>> >>> Applies to programmers too. >>> >>> Myrlyn is C++ in keeping with the Qt base. >> >> But it is not an official app. It comes, IIRC, from a retired employee. > > You mean Yast? No, myrlyn. > Busy guy. When I upgraded to Tumbleweed I got over 20 > different Yast things on the System menu rather than one Yast to rule them > all. I tried one and it wanted a root password which i never set up. There is a bug somewhere that the master yast gui process is not installed or something. I have not investigated. In a terminal, with "su -", just call "yast2" and you get the graphical yast main menu. Just that I can not find the entry in the system menu (xfce) to call yast2. > > 'zypper dup' works fine. Not part of yast. It is an officially supported app. > > I think I had a senior moment somewhere along the way. I went to install > sway yesterday and it was already there. When I logged into a sway session > it had a lot of SUSE configuration like alacrity and wofi. I'd obviously > never used it since there was no ~/.config/sway/config file. That's the > first thing I have to do with i3/sway to set the mouse to left handed. > -- Cheers, Carlos. ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-09-21 02:28 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: ISO9660 images, vfat USB mass storage devices and El Torito |
| Message-ID | <nhbj35Fh0bbU26@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #91862 |
On Sun, 20 Sep 2026 21:01:45 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote: > There is a bug somewhere that the master yast gui process is not > installed or something. I have not investigated. > > In a terminal, with "su -", just call "yast2" and you get the graphical > yast main menu. Just that I can not find the entry in the system menu > (xfce) to call yast2. I'm not going to spend time on it but in KDE I see 31 separate Yast functions in the System menu. They're configured to run xdg-su, passing '- c /sbin/yast2 as an argument. xdg-su is a launcher that requires a root password. I can ignore the root password but then there is extremely limited functionality. if I run yast2 as root from the command line I get the TUI like in Leap 16. I had installed yast2 on Leap and then transitioned to Tumbleweed. I don't know if that resulted in all the useless Yast options. fwiw 'sudo zypper remove yast2' got rid of them all except 'YaST Alternativves'. That may go away with a reboot. I haven't done anything with myrlyn but it appears to work with my user password. zypper is fine. I removed the annoying PackageKit and locked it.
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