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| Started by | CtrlAltDel <Altie@BHam.com> |
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| First post | 2025-12-10 23:49 +0000 |
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Please do not donate to any Linux distro CtrlAltDel <Altie@BHam.com> - 2025-12-10 23:49 +0000
Re: Please do not donate to any Linux distro Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-12-10 18:54 -0800
Re: Please do not donate to any Linux distro CtrlAltDel <Altie@BHam.com> - 2025-12-11 03:41 +0000
Re: Please do not donate to any Linux distro rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-11 03:42 +0000
Re: Please do not donate to any Linux distro Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-12-10 20:47 -0800
Re: Please do not donate to any Linux distro candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2025-12-12 21:50 +0000
Re: Please do not donate to any Linux distro rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-13 02:02 +0000
Re: Please do not donate to any Linux distro Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-12-13 10:01 +0000
Re: Please do not donate to any Linux distro "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-13 14:14 +0100
Re: Please do not donate to any Linux distro rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-13 20:41 +0000
Re: Please do not donate to any Linux distro Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-12-13 16:00 -0800
Re: Please do not donate to any Linux distro rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-14 03:11 +0000
Re: Please do not donate to any Linux distro The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-15 19:02 +0000
Re: Please do not donate to any Linux distro rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-15 23:53 +0000
Re: Please do not donate to any Linux distro The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-15 19:01 +0000
Re: Please do not donate to any Linux distro Harold Stevens <wookie@aspen.localdomain> - 2025-12-11 03:27 -0600
Re: Please do not donate to any Linux distro Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-12-11 08:56 -0800
Re: Please do not donate to any Linux distro CtrlAltDel <Altie@BHam.com> - 2025-12-11 18:25 +0000
Re: Please do not donate to any Linux distro "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-11 11:26 +0100
Re: Please do not donate to any Linux distro not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2025-12-12 06:37 +1000
Re: Please do not donate to any Linux distro CtrlAltDel <Altie@BHam.com> - 2025-12-12 05:04 +0000
Re: Please do not donate to any Linux distro bonkmaykr <bonkyboo@canithesis.org> - 2025-12-13 09:11 -0600
Re: Please do not donate to any Linux distro Beej Jorgensen <beej@beej.us> - 2025-12-13 15:53 +0000
Re: Please do not donate to any Linux distro Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-16 01:21 +0000
Re: Please do not donate to any Linux distro Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-16 12:16 +0000
Re: Please do not donate to any Linux distro not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2025-12-17 07:37 +1000
Re: Please do not donate to any Linux distro Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-16 21:53 +0000
Re: Please do not donate to any Linux distro not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2025-12-18 06:54 +1000
Re: Please do not donate to any Linux distro Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-17 22:13 +0000
Re: Please do not donate to any Linux distro Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-17 23:43 +0000
Re: Please do not donate to any Linux distro rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-18 01:26 +0000
Re: Please do not donate to any Linux distro The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-18 10:07 +0000
Re: Please do not donate to any Linux distro not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2025-12-19 08:28 +1000
Re: Please do not donate to any Linux distro not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2025-12-19 08:24 +1000
Re: Please do not donate to any Linux distro Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-19 01:08 +0000
Re: Please do not donate to any Linux distro Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-17 13:20 +0000
Re: Please do not donate to any Linux distro The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-17 13:57 +0000
Re: Please do not donate to any Linux distro Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-17 14:34 +0000
Re: Please do not donate to any Linux distro rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-17 20:23 +0000
Re: Please do not donate to any Linux distro Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-17 23:41 +0000
Re: Please do not donate to any Linux distro rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-18 01:20 +0000
Re: Please do not donate to any Linux distro The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-18 10:02 +0000
Re: Please do not donate to any Linux distro CtrlAltDel <Altie@BHam.com> - 2025-12-20 07:17 +0000
Re: Please do not donate to any Linux distro The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-18 10:01 +0000
Re: Please do not donate to any Linux distro The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-18 09:59 +0000
Re: Please do not donate to any Linux distro not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2025-12-18 06:43 +1000
Re: Please do not donate to any Linux distro kouya <kouyaheika@canithesis.org> - 2025-12-11 16:21 -0600
Re: Please do not donate to any Linux distro CtrlAltDel <Altie@BHam.com> - 2025-12-12 05:01 +0000
Re: Please do not donate to any Linux distro Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-12 08:43 +0000
Re: Please do not donate to any Linux distro kouya <kouyaheika@canithesis.org> - 2025-12-12 14:30 -0600
Re: Please do not donate to any Linux distro "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-13 14:16 +0100
Re: Please do not donate to any Linux distro Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-12-13 14:03 +0000
Re: Please do not donate to any Linux distro "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-14 00:03 +0100
Re: Please do not donate to any Linux distro rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-14 03:18 +0000
Re: Please do not donate to any Linux distro Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-12-13 20:36 -0800
Re: Please do not donate to any Linux distro Eric Pozharski <apple.universe@posteo.net> - 2025-12-14 16:51 +0000
Re: Please do not donate to any Linux distro Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-12-14 11:36 -0800
Re: Please do not donate to any Linux distro rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-14 20:56 +0000
Re: Please do not donate to any Linux distro The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-15 19:07 +0000
Re: Please do not donate to any Linux distro Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-12-16 05:54 +0000
Re: Please do not donate to any Linux distro bonkmaykr <bonkymaykr@canithesis.org> - 2025-12-16 07:40 -0600
Re: Please do not donate to any Linux distro The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-16 14:33 +0000
Re: Please do not donate to any Linux distro rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-16 20:42 +0000
Re: Please do not donate to any Linux distro The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-17 01:05 +0000
Re: Please do not donate to any Linux distro Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-17 01:46 +0000
Re: Please do not donate to any Linux distro The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-15 19:05 +0000
Re: Please do not donate to any Linux distro Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-17 01:43 +0000
Re: Please do not donate to any Linux distro bonkmaykr <bonkyboo@canithesis.org> - 2025-12-12 15:48 -0600
Re: Please do not donate to any Linux distro Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-12 23:46 +0000
Re: Please do not donate to any Linux distro "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-13 14:26 +0100
Re: Please do not donate to any Linux distro bonkmaykr <bonkyboo@canithesis.org> - 2025-12-13 07:38 -0600
Re: Please do not donate to any Linux distro Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-12-13 14:08 +0000
Re: Please do not donate to any Linux distro Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-17 01:41 +0000
Re: Please do not donate to any Linux distro John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-12-17 08:01 -0800
Re: Please do not donate to any Linux distro candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2025-12-19 14:50 +0000
Re: Please do not donate to any Linux distro Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-19 18:05 +0000
Re: Please do not donate to any Linux distro Farley Flud <fflud@gnu.rocks> - 2025-12-13 14:56 +0000
Re: Please do not donate to any Linux distro Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-12-13 15:52 +0000
Re: Please do not donate to any Linux distro Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-13 18:00 +0000
Re: Please do not donate to any Linux distro Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-17 01:37 +0000
Re: Please do not donate to any Linux distro "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-14 00:10 +0100
Re: Please do not donate to any Linux distro Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-12-14 12:03 +0000
Re: Please do not donate to any Linux distro CtrlAltDel <Altie@BHam.com> - 2025-12-14 10:41 +0000
Re: Please do not donate to any Linux distro bonkmaykr <bonkyboo@canithesis.org> - 2025-12-14 06:23 -0600
Re: Please do not donate to any Linux distro "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-14 13:27 +0100
Re: Please do not donate to any Linux distro Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-14 18:26 +0000
Re: Please do not donate to any Linux distro CtrlAltDel <Altie@BHam.com> - 2025-12-13 09:33 +0000
Re: Please do not donate to any Linux distro Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-13 10:54 +0000
Re: Please do not donate to any Linux distro "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-13 14:28 +0100
Re: Please do not donate to any Linux distro Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-12-13 14:09 +0000
Re: Please do not donate to any Linux distro "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-14 00:11 +0100
Re: Please do not donate to any Linux distro Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-12-13 13:56 +0000
Re: Please do not donate to any Linux distro CtrlAltDel <Altie@BHam.com> - 2025-12-14 10:52 +0000
Re: Please do not donate to any Linux distro bonkmaykr <bonkyboo@canithesis.org> - 2025-12-14 06:25 -0600
Re: Please do not donate to any Linux distro Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-12-14 13:50 +0000
Re: Please do not donate to any Linux distro CtrlAltDel <Altie@BHam.com> - 2025-12-15 00:18 +0000
Re: Please do not donate to any Linux distro bonkmaykr <bonkyboo@canithesis.org> - 2025-12-15 10:40 -0600
Re: Please do not donate to any Linux distro CtrlAltDel <Altie@BHam.com> - 2025-12-15 21:12 +0000
Re: Please do not donate to any Linux distro bonkmaykr <bonkyboo@canithesis.org> - 2025-12-15 15:41 -0600
Re: Please do not donate to any Linux distro CtrlAltDel <Altie@BHam.com> - 2025-12-15 23:02 +0000
Re: Please do not donate to any Linux distro bonkmaykr <bonkyboo@canithesis.org> - 2025-12-15 17:09 -0600
Re: Please do not donate to any Linux distro CtrlAltDel <Altie@BHam.com> - 2025-12-15 23:23 +0000
Re: Please do not donate to any Linux distro bonkmaykr <bonkymaykr@canithesis.org> - 2025-12-15 20:58 -0600
Re: Please do not donate to any Linux distro CtrlAltDel <Altie@BHam.com> - 2025-12-16 11:25 +0000
Re: Please do not donate to any Linux distro bonkmaykr <bonkymaykr@canithesis.org> - 2025-12-16 07:35 -0600
Re: Please do not donate to any Linux distro CtrlAltDel <Altie@BHam.com> - 2025-12-17 01:09 +0000
Re: Please do not donate to any Linux distro bonkmaykr <bonkymaykr@canithesis.org> - 2025-12-17 08:11 -0600
Re: Please do not donate to any Linux distro Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-17 14:37 +0000
Re: Please do not donate to any Linux distro bonkmaykr <bonkymaykr@canithesis.org> - 2025-12-17 09:02 -0600
Re: Please do not donate to any Linux distro CtrlAltDel <Altie@BHam.com> - 2025-12-18 01:39 +0000
Re: Please do not donate to any Linux distro Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-12-19 20:27 +0000
Re: Please do not donate to any Linux distro The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-15 19:11 +0000
Re: Please do not donate to any Linux distro CtrlAltDel <Altie@BHam.com> - 2025-12-15 20:51 +0000
Re: Please do not donate to any Linux distro Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-17 01:34 +0000
Re: Please do not donate to any Linux distro "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2025-12-13 23:18 +0800
Re: Please do not donate to any Linux distro John McCue <jmclnx@gmail.com.invalid> - 2025-12-15 16:05 +0000
Re: Please do not donate to any Linux distro Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-12-15 08:53 -0800
Re: Please do not donate to any Linux distro 🇵🇱Jacek Marcin Jaworski🇵🇱 <jmj@energokod.gda.pl> - 2025-12-15 18:46 +0100
Re: Please do not donate to any Linux distro CtrlAltDel <Altie@BHam.com> - 2025-12-15 20:54 +0000
Re: Please do not donate to any Linux distro The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-15 21:32 +0000
Re: Please do not donate to any Linux distro CtrlAltDel <Altie@BHam.com> - 2025-12-15 23:06 +0000
Re: Please do not donate to any Linux distro Diego Garcia <dg@linux.rocks> - 2025-12-15 21:34 +0000
Re: Please do not donate to any Linux distro The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-15 21:35 +0000
Re: Please do not donate to any Linux distro CtrlAltDel <Altie@BHam.com> - 2025-12-15 23:07 +0000
Re: Please do not donate to any Linux distro Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-12-19 20:32 +0000
Re: Please do not donate to any Linux distro 🇵🇱Jacek Marcin Jaworski🇵🇱 <jmj@energokod.gda.pl> - 2025-12-15 22:42 +0100
Re: Please do not donate to any Linux distro John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-12-15 14:09 -0800
Re: Please do not donate to any Linux distro 🇵🇱Jacek Marcin Jaworski🇵🇱 <jmj@energokod.gda.pl> - 2025-12-15 23:38 +0100
Re: Please do not donate to any Linux distro John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-12-15 14:41 -0800
Re: Please do not donate to any Linux distro kouya <kouyaheika@canithesis.org> - 2025-12-15 16:45 -0600
Re: Please do not donate to any Linux distro John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-12-15 14:55 -0800
Re: Please do not donate to any Linux distro bonkmaykr <bonkyboo@canithesis.org> - 2025-12-15 17:10 -0600
Re: Please do not donate to any Linux distro CtrlAltDel <Altie@BHam.com> - 2025-12-15 23:27 +0000
Re: Please do not donate to any Linux distro Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-12-19 20:30 +0000
Re: Please do not donate to any Linux distro John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-12-19 12:35 -0800
Re: Please do not donate to any Linux distro CtrlAltDel <Altie@BHam.com> - 2025-12-15 23:18 +0000
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2025-12-18 01:20 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <mqh371F3vo8U6@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #79402 |
On Wed, 17 Dec 2025 23:41:41 +0000, Nuno Silva wrote: > Or could you be thinking of Works, which was a separate product? That's the one, thanks. According to Wiki it was cheap enough that it was often bundled. I remember poking at it a couple of times but it wasn't anything I would buy. The only 'word processor' I've used for much was Wordstar. It came bundled on the Osborne 1 and was a passable programming editor in text mode. Supercalc was also bundled but I never figured out what to do with it or the later iterations of spreadsheets.
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-12-18 10:02 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <10i0jf2$6r0p$5@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #79405 |
On 18/12/2025 01:20, rbowman wrote: > On Wed, 17 Dec 2025 23:41:41 +0000, Nuno Silva wrote: > >> Or could you be thinking of Works, which was a separate product? > > That's the one, thanks. According to Wiki it was cheap enough that it was > often bundled. I remember poking at it a couple of times but it wasn't > anything I would buy. > > The only 'word processor' I've used for much was Wordstar. It came bundled > on the Osborne 1 and was a passable programming editor in text mode. > Supercalc was also bundled but I never figured out what to do with it or > the later iterations of spreadsheets. > WORDPERFECT was pretty good too. -- Labour - a bunch of rich people convincing poor people to vote for rich people by telling poor people that "other" rich people are the reason they are poor. Peter Thompson
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| From | CtrlAltDel <Altie@BHam.com> |
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| Date | 2025-12-20 07:17 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <10i5ii5$1ok2p$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #79427 |
On Thu, 18 Dec 2025 10:02:10 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > WORDPERFECT was pretty good too. Word up!
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-12-18 10:01 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <10i0jdi$6r0p$4@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #79394 |
On 17/12/2025 20:23, rbowman wrote: > On Wed, 17 Dec 2025 14:34:08 +0000, Nuno Silva wrote: > >> Then we should also consider that Microsoft Office started only when it >> was commercialized under that name, and that Microsoft Office Word is >> not the same as Microsoft Word and that Office 365 is not the same as >> Office. > > Wasn't there an editor that was bundled with Windows? Not Wordpad. It was > something like Outlook Express, which had nothing in common with Outlook, > but was good enough for Mom's Christmas Letter. > > Other than reading RFPs and other documents that came my way in docx > format I've never had a use for the genre. IT didn't install Office on the > programming machines so we used LibreOffice. It was good enough for read > only use. Indeed. A valid qualification. Its the only word processor where I have to look up where the command I want is , in the menu structure. Unusable without google. -- The theory of Communism may be summed up in one sentence: Abolish all private property. Karl Marx
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-12-18 09:59 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <10i0j9m$6r0p$3@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #79384 |
On 17/12/2025 14:34, Nuno Silva wrote: >> Still not Libre office > Then we should also consider that Microsoft Office started only when it > was commercialized under that name, and that Microsoft Office Word is > not the same as Microsoft Word and that Office 365 is not the same as > Office. Indeed that is in fact the case. Theseus' ship etc etc. -- The theory of Communism may be summed up in one sentence: Abolish all private property. Karl Marx
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| From | not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) |
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| Date | 2025-12-18 06:43 +1000 |
| Message-ID | <694315f5@news.ausics.net> |
| In reply to | #79380 |
Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> wrote: > On 2025-12-16, Computer Nerd Kev wrote: >> Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: >>> On 12 Dec 2025 06:37:51 +1000, Computer Nerd Kev wrote: >>>> Others prefer software that does try to clone commercial offerings, >>>> like LibreOffice, though. >>> >>> Not sure what "commercial offerings" it is trying to clone, >> >> M$ Office and all the commercial Office suites that were common >> when OpenOffice.org, which was forked into LibreOffice, started. > > According to Wikipedia, it started in *1985*. Might not have been open > source then, Well that just further proves my point, it wasn't just taking cues from commercial software, it originally was commercial software. Sustaining a project with a commercial-style design and scale is more likely to require donations than other open-source software projects that perform single "office" tasks in their own, often more unique, way. As usual LDO snipped that point I was trying to make from my earlier post. >>> given that Microsoft is going all-in on AI and the cloud, and >>> LibreOffice is not. >> >> Well I don't know what modern M$ Office is like, but >> Open/LibreOffice is definitely similar to M$ office versions in the >> 2000s when it started. > > It. Did. Not. Start. In. The. 2000s. Yikes, well OK the codebase went back further before it was open-sourced. I'm really not that fussed about the specifics of its history. -- __ __ #_ < |\| |< _#
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| From | kouya <kouyaheika@canithesis.org> |
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| Date | 2025-12-11 16:21 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <10hfg5p$2hgfm$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #78724 |
CtrlAltDel wrote: > Linux is supposed to be free, not free with constant nags about donating. > If you want to donate, go buy a Windows release and donate your money to > them. > > As far as Linux goes, the whole concept behind it and the various distros > is that it is free. Free, as in no money needed to use. Not free as in > it's free to use but we are going to pester you to no end to donate to > keep it free. > > If the maintainers of the distros can't afford to maintain them, let 'em > die off. There are around 600 distributions currently maintained with > about 500 of them still in active development. There are many, many > options for freedom. > > When Linux first arrived on the scene, it would have been almost literal > apostasy among the nerd fiefdoms online if someone had asked them for > money and they would have abandoned it faster than an eye could blink. > > Now it's almost like a guilt trip is played on you if you don't *donate*. > Let's go back to how it was years ago and bring the purity back to Linux, > the FREEdom, the excitement. Down with the commercialization. I think if you're using software that constantly nags you about donating, you're using the wrong software. A software project accepting donations isn't a problem. It's nice to support things you rely on, not because you need to but because it's a good thing to do if and when you can. To say people who work on things you don't even need to pay for don't deserve or get anything because it is supposed to be "free" is terrible and I will gladly show you the door. Sure, don't pay a cent to anybody if you don't want to, but saying that Linux and its software shouldn't accept donations just makes you look cheap, especially if the only way they are asking is a small donate button somewhere on their homepage. This isn't "commercialization", people need money to live.
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| From | CtrlAltDel <Altie@BHam.com> |
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| Date | 2025-12-12 05:01 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <10hg7iu$2lbh5$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #78851 |
On Thu, 11 Dec 2025 16:21:51 -0600, kouya wrote: > A software project accepting donations isn't a problem. It's nice to > support things you rely on, not because you need to but because it's a > good thing to do if and when you can. To say people who work on things > you don't even need to pay for don't deserve or get anything because it > is supposed to be "free" is terrible and I will gladly show you the > door. > > Sure, don't pay a cent to anybody if you don't want to, but saying that > Linux and its software shouldn't accept donations just makes you look > cheap, especially if the only way they are asking is a small donate > button somewhere on their homepage. This isn't "commercialization", > people need money to live. Or, they could get a job and do any OS development as a hobby and when they have free time. That is how it should be, pure and for the love of the ideal, not the money. If they can't bear to do something without getting paid, concerning Linux distro development, don't do it. Simple.
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| From | Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-12-12 08:43 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <wwvpl8khyzq.fsf@LkoBDZeT.terraraq.uk> |
| In reply to | #78870 |
CtrlAltDel <Altie@BHam.com> writes: > On Thu, 11 Dec 2025 16:21:51 -0600, kouya wrote: >> A software project accepting donations isn't a problem. It's nice to >> support things you rely on, not because you need to but because it's >> a good thing to do if and when you can. To say people who work on >> things you don't even need to pay for don't deserve or get anything >> because it is supposed to be "free" is terrible and I will gladly >> show you the door. >> >> Sure, don't pay a cent to anybody if you don't want to, but saying >> that Linux and its software shouldn't accept donations just makes you >> look cheap, especially if the only way they are asking is a small >> donate button somewhere on their homepage. This isn't >> "commercialization", people need money to live. > > Or, they could get a job and do any OS development as a hobby and when > they have free time. That is how it should be, pure and for the love > of the ideal, not the money. If they can't bear to do something > without getting paid, concerning Linux distro development, don't do > it. Simple. Of course the same should apply to whatever it is you do for a living. Linux has been a funded project for decades, more than half its existence. If you prefer to use hobby platforms, you will have to look elsewhere. -- https://www.greenend.org.uk/rjk/
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| From | kouya <kouyaheika@canithesis.org> |
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| Date | 2025-12-12 14:30 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <10hhu11$3bhj7$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #78870 |
CtrlAltDel wrote: > On Thu, 11 Dec 2025 16:21:51 -0600, kouya wrote: > > Or, they could get a job and do any OS development as a hobby and when > they have free time. That is how it should be, pure and for the love of > the ideal, not the money. If they can't bear to do something without > getting paid, concerning Linux distro development, don't do it. Simple. I feel like you're just entirely trolling at this point. They do it without getting paid regardless. Most jobs don't pay enough to afford the bills right now, and perusing their hobby still takes time out of their day. This isn't free software developers being greedy, it's you being a complete and utter cheapskate. Sorry, free software does not mean you get to insert your communist idealogy. Stop being an ass.
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-12-13 14:16 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <oh501mxsuf.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #78951 |
On 2025-12-12 21:30, kouya wrote: > CtrlAltDel wrote: > >> On Thu, 11 Dec 2025 16:21:51 -0600, kouya wrote: >> >> Or, they could get a job and do any OS development as a hobby and when >> they have free time. That is how it should be, pure and for the love of >> the ideal, not the money. If they can't bear to do something without >> getting paid, concerning Linux distro development, don't do it. Simple. > > I feel like you're just entirely trolling at this point. They do it without > getting paid regardless. Most jobs don't pay enough to afford the bills > right now, and perusing their hobby still takes time out of their day. This > isn't free software developers being greedy, it's you being a complete and > utter cheapskate. Sorry, free software does not mean you get to insert your > communist idealogy. Stop being an ass. Even communists get paid. -- Cheers, Carlos. ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> |
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| Date | 2025-12-13 14:03 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <693d7229$0$432$426a74cc@news.free.fr> |
| In reply to | #78997 |
Le 13-12-2025, Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> a écrit : > On 2025-12-12 21:30, kouya wrote: >> CtrlAltDel wrote: >> >>> On Thu, 11 Dec 2025 16:21:51 -0600, kouya wrote: >>> >>> Or, they could get a job and do any OS development as a hobby and when >>> they have free time. That is how it should be, pure and for the love of >>> the ideal, not the money. If they can't bear to do something without >>> getting paid, concerning Linux distro development, don't do it. Simple. >> >> I feel like you're just entirely trolling at this point. They do it without >> getting paid regardless. Most jobs don't pay enough to afford the bills >> right now, and perusing their hobby still takes time out of their day. This >> isn't free software developers being greedy, it's you being a complete and >> utter cheapskate. Sorry, free software does not mean you get to insert your >> communist idealogy. Stop being an ass. > > Even communists get paid. They don't need to. They need a roof and some food to put in their stomach. The way they use money for that is just the capitalist way. The fact that they didn't managed to find a better way to accomplish the same goal differently tells more about Communists than about communism. Or maybe not: maybe it tells communism is un unrealistic dream. I don't know. -- Si vous avez du temps à perdre : https://scarpet42.gitlab.io
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-12-14 00:03 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <kv711mx9b.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #79002 |
On 2025-12-13 15:03, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote: > Le 13-12-2025, Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> a écrit : >> On 2025-12-12 21:30, kouya wrote: >>> CtrlAltDel wrote: >>> >>>> On Thu, 11 Dec 2025 16:21:51 -0600, kouya wrote: >>>> >>>> Or, they could get a job and do any OS development as a hobby and when >>>> they have free time. That is how it should be, pure and for the love of >>>> the ideal, not the money. If they can't bear to do something without >>>> getting paid, concerning Linux distro development, don't do it. Simple. >>> >>> I feel like you're just entirely trolling at this point. They do it without >>> getting paid regardless. Most jobs don't pay enough to afford the bills >>> right now, and perusing their hobby still takes time out of their day. This >>> isn't free software developers being greedy, it's you being a complete and >>> utter cheapskate. Sorry, free software does not mean you get to insert your >>> communist idealogy. Stop being an ass. >> >> Even communists get paid. > > They don't need to. They need a roof and some food to put in their > stomach. The way they use money for that is just the capitalist way. The > fact that they didn't managed to find a better way to accomplish the > same goal differently tells more about Communists than about communism. > Or maybe not: maybe it tells communism is un unrealistic dream. I don't > know. > Look at China. They claim to be communist. -- Cheers, Carlos. ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2025-12-14 03:18 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <mq6ok8Fcii0U2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #79030 |
On Sun, 14 Dec 2025 00:03:48 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote: > Look at China. They claim to be communist. It annoys people but I see them as a good example of a National Socialist state. Ein Volk, Ein Reich, Ein Führer! The difference is Han Chinese are the highest form of humanity rather than Indo-Europeans (Aryans). I've heard rumbling the Xi has been pruning the tree.
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| From | Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> |
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| Date | 2025-12-13 20:36 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <10hlerm$n3h8$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #79044 |
On 12/13/25 19:18, rbowman wrote: > On Sun, 14 Dec 2025 00:03:48 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote: > > >> Look at China. They claim to be communist. > > It annoys people but I see them as a good example of a National Socialist > state. > > Ein Volk, Ein Reich, Ein Führer! > > The difference is Han Chinese are the highest form of humanity rather than > Indo-Europeans (Aryans). > > I've heard rumbling the Xi has been pruning the tree. > The Chinese rulers over the long centuries of Empire tried every mode of governing but one, egalitarian democracy. The Chinese are as fully human as any other family of homo sapiens. Because they have pushed for the time of the Communist regime to improve the national power by education and they have pulled ahead of Western Democracries in particular the USA where the efforts of the brightest have resulted in billionaires and a weakened central government. All governments seem to have Fascist roots in that they all insist on the use of violence to control people who resist. China is a Fascist state as you seem to recognize. The Asians generally find Westerners rather unrealistic. Maybe a feeling of superiority results. My experience with Chinese people comes from the late 1950s when I lived on the local economy on Taiwan for a while. The Chinese of Taiwan have created a vibrant capitalist democracy since my time there in MAAG. Oh and I was essentially a nurse, then. bliss
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| From | Eric Pozharski <apple.universe@posteo.net> |
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| Date | 2025-12-14 16:51 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrn10jtqoq.ovo.apple.universe@freight.zombinet> |
| In reply to | #79030 |
with <kv711mx9b.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> Carlos E.R. wrote: > On 2025-12-13 15:03, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote: >> Le 13-12-2025, Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> a écrit : >>> On 2025-12-12 21:30, kouya wrote: >>>> CtrlAltDel wrote: >>>>> On Thu, 11 Dec 2025 16:21:51 -0600, kouya wrote: *SKIP* [ 12 lines 5 levels deep] >>> Even communists get paid. >> They don't need to. They need a roof and some food to put in their >> stomach. The way they use money for that is just the capitalist way. >> The fact that they didn't managed to find a better way to accomplish >> the same goal differently tells more about Communists than about >> communism. Or maybe not: maybe it tells communism is un unrealistic >> dream. I don't know. > Look at China. They claim to be communist. This statement needs effective investigation and probably debate. AFAIK, PRC is democracy; because The Party says so; and anyone who disagrees is welcome to re-education camp. -- Torvalds' goal for Linux is very simple: World Domination Stallman's goal for GNU is even simpler: Freedom
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| From | Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> |
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| Date | 2025-12-14 11:36 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <10hn3jr$1ca8r$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #79086 |
On 12/14/25 08:51, Eric Pozharski wrote: > with <kv711mx9b.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> Carlos E.R. wrote: >> On 2025-12-13 15:03, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote: >>> Le 13-12-2025, Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> a écrit : >>>> On 2025-12-12 21:30, kouya wrote: >>>>> CtrlAltDel wrote: >>>>>> On Thu, 11 Dec 2025 16:21:51 -0600, kouya wrote: > > *SKIP* [ 12 lines 5 levels deep] > >>>> Even communists get paid. >>> They don't need to. They need a roof and some food to put in their >>> stomach. The way they use money for that is just the capitalist way. >>> The fact that they didn't managed to find a better way to accomplish >>> the same goal differently tells more about Communists than about >>> communism. Or maybe not: maybe it tells communism is un unrealistic >>> dream. I don't know. >> Look at China. They claim to be communist. > > This statement needs effective investigation and probably debate. > AFAIK, PRC is democracy; because The Party says so; and anyone who > disagrees is welcome to re-education camp. > China is socialist and whatever else the Red Army and the Communist leadership wants it to be. Payment for work existed in the USSR and other states because of the inevitable need for stimulus to work and unequal distribution of resources. The leadership in USSR got better goods than the workers in the factories, mines, and fields. Of course that corrupts the Commie byline of "From each according to their capacities and to each according to their needs". Only in isolated monastic and other voluntary associations has true communism existed as in early Christian Jerusalem before reorganization of religion along strictly hierarchial lines. Socialism in the USA functions to keep the rich very well off and the poor are ignored currently though we tried to bring the benefits of capitalist socialism to the people for a time. But of course that is just my very humble opinion after watching for about 80 of my 88 years. bliss
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2025-12-14 20:56 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <mq8mkkFmaedU5@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #79093 |
On Sun, 14 Dec 2025 11:36:27 -0800, Bobbie Sellers wrote: > Of course that corrupts the Commie byline of "From each according to > their > capacities and to each according to their needs". Too lazy to look it up but iirc the '37 Soviet constitution had the little red hen clause -- them's that don't work don't eat.
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-12-15 19:07 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <10hpm9c$24636$4@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #79030 |
On 13/12/2025 23:03, Carlos E.R. wrote: > On 2025-12-13 15:03, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote: >> Le 13-12-2025, Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> a écrit : >>> On 2025-12-12 21:30, kouya wrote: >>>> CtrlAltDel wrote: >>>> >>>>> On Thu, 11 Dec 2025 16:21:51 -0600, kouya wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Or, they could get a job and do any OS development as a hobby and when >>>>> they have free time. That is how it should be, pure and for the >>>>> love of >>>>> the ideal, not the money. If they can't bear to do something without >>>>> getting paid, concerning Linux distro development, don't do it. >>>>> Simple. >>>> >>>> I feel like you're just entirely trolling at this point. They do it >>>> without >>>> getting paid regardless. Most jobs don't pay enough to afford the bills >>>> right now, and perusing their hobby still takes time out of their >>>> day. This >>>> isn't free software developers being greedy, it's you being a >>>> complete and >>>> utter cheapskate. Sorry, free software does not mean you get to >>>> insert your >>>> communist idealogy. Stop being an ass. >>> >>> Even communists get paid. >> >> They don't need to. They need a roof and some food to put in their >> stomach. The way they use money for that is just the capitalist way. The >> fact that they didn't managed to find a better way to accomplish the >> same goal differently tells more about Communists than about communism. >> Or maybe not: maybe it tells communism is un unrealistic dream. I don't >> know. >> > > Look at China. They claim to be communist. > That's more or less the way countries still claim to be Christian. Or left wing governments claim to be 'working for the people' -- "It is an established fact to 97% confidence limits that left wing conspirators see right wing conspiracies everywhere"
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| From | Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-12-16 05:54 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <ou60R.175746$CSDa.113352@fx16.iad> |
| In reply to | #79193 |
On 2025-12-15, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote: > On 13/12/2025 23:03, Carlos E.R. wrote: > >> Look at China. They claim to be communist. > > That's more or less the way countries still claim to be Christian. > > Or left wing governments claim to be 'working for the people' Or right-wing governments claim to be 'working for the people' -- /~\ Charlie Gibbs | Growth for the sake of \ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | growth is the ideology X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | of the cancer cell. / \ if you read it the right way. | -- Edward Abbey
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