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| Started by | Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> |
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| First post | 2026-09-22 20:08 +0000 |
| Last post | 2026-09-26 14:01 +0000 |
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More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> - 2026-09-22 20:08 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-09-22 22:39 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-23 00:25 -0400
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-09-23 09:41 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-09-23 08:50 -0700
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2026-09-26 12:50 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-23 23:11 -0400
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-23 12:43 +0200
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2026-09-23 14:09 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI jayjwa <jayjwa@atr2.ath.cx.invalid> - 2026-09-23 11:55 -0400
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2026-09-23 23:00 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-24 01:31 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-09-24 10:07 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-24 19:30 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Anton Antimo <anton@safunu.org> - 2026-09-24 10:39 -0300
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2026-09-26 13:02 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> - 2026-09-26 14:51 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2026-09-27 13:29 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> - 2026-09-27 19:39 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2026-10-11 11:37 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> - 2026-10-11 14:56 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 09:55 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2026-09-27 11:01 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-30 07:57 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-09-30 08:40 -0700
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> - 2026-09-30 20:50 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-30 20:56 -0400
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-01 04:21 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-10-01 08:04 -0700
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-02 00:48 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-02 00:32 -0400
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-03 00:51 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-03 02:02 -0400
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-03 09:27 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-03 23:21 -0400
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-02 12:17 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-02 22:34 -0400
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-02 02:57 -0400
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-02 12:24 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-02 22:59 -0400
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-03 09:02 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-01 04:16 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2026-10-03 10:08 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-03 12:06 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 12:55 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI John Bokma <contact@johnbokma.com> - 2026-09-23 19:24 +0200
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-23 18:28 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI John Bokma <contact@johnbokma.com> - 2026-09-23 21:04 +0200
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2026-09-24 07:16 +1000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI John Bokma <contact@johnbokma.com> - 2026-09-24 12:03 +0200
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> - 2026-09-26 17:37 +1000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 09:53 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-27 18:56 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-09-28 12:52 -0400
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-28 17:21 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-09-28 15:56 -0400
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-29 03:30 -0400
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2026-09-29 02:20 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-29 03:45 -0400
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2026-09-29 12:36 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-09-29 10:51 -0400
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-09-29 18:19 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-29 19:38 -0400
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-09-29 23:55 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-29 18:54 -0400
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-09-29 23:55 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-30 01:14 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-30 02:04 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Chris Abraham <chris@gerriscorp.com> - 2026-09-30 13:27 -0400
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-30 15:47 -0400
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-09-30 20:17 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-30 20:33 -0400
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-01 04:55 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-01 02:01 -0400
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-01 11:08 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-02 00:42 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-01 23:49 -0400
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-02 12:14 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-02 19:33 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-02 20:44 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-02 22:13 -0400
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-03 08:59 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-03 04:11 -0400
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-03 20:00 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-04 09:04 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-04 23:47 -0400
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-05 10:06 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-04 13:09 +0200
[OT] US politics (was: Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-04 17:16 +0100
Re: [OT] US politics (was: Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-04 18:18 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-04 18:13 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-04 19:33 +0200
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-05 02:46 -0400
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-05 10:18 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-04 18:33 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-04 20:42 +0200
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-05 01:24 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-05 23:20 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-06 01:44 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-06 03:56 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-07 01:45 -0400
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-07 08:01 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-07 03:32 -0400
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-07 11:00 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-07 18:42 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-08 07:45 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-08 20:23 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-10-08 17:24 -0400
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-08 23:59 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Harold Stevens <wookie@bookworm.localdomain> - 2026-10-09 05:00 -0500
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2026-10-08 23:44 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-09 02:36 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-10-14 14:21 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-14 16:57 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-07 11:58 +0200
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-07 11:33 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-07 11:56 +0200
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-07 11:28 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-08 20:08 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-08 22:06 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-10-08 17:18 -0400
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-08 22:21 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-09 02:48 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-09 02:46 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2026-10-09 04:21 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-09 18:15 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-09 11:14 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-09 18:27 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-10-08 17:14 -0400
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-08 22:20 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-09 02:55 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-09 02:53 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-06 08:56 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-02 19:32 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-02 20:42 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-03 03:08 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-03 02:05 -0400
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-03 01:59 -0400
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-03 09:04 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-03 19:57 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-04 09:02 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-04 13:11 +0200
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-10-03 16:09 -0400
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-04 09:08 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2026-10-04 10:48 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-04 18:09 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-04 19:35 +0200
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-04 18:59 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-04 20:33 +0200
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-05 01:09 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-05 10:03 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-10-05 12:51 -0400
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-05 02:45 -0400
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-05 10:33 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-02 12:13 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-02 19:27 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-02 21:32 -0400
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-02 02:49 -0400
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-02 12:21 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-02 22:44 -0400
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-01 04:50 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-01 11:06 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-02 00:40 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-01 11:03 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Chris Abraham <chris@gerriscorp.com> - 2026-09-29 20:15 -0400
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-09-29 10:46 -0400
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-24 11:56 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-24 20:00 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-26 02:09 -0400
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> - 2026-09-24 00:18 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-24 01:24 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-24 11:58 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-24 19:47 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-26 02:13 -0400
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-24 00:21 -0400
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-24 05:53 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-24 03:03 -0400
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-24 12:23 +0200
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-24 19:42 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-24 21:56 +0200
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-09-24 23:17 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-26 01:00 -0400
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-24 19:39 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-09-24 23:17 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-25 04:36 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-09-25 19:14 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-26 04:01 -0400
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-09-26 14:43 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-11-05 15:41 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-11-05 19:18 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-11-05 21:20 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-11-05 21:57 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-11-06 01:18 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-11-06 14:18 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-11-06 13:26 +0000
Why use computer controlled farm machines? "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-11-06 19:07 +0100
Re: Why use computer controlled farm machines? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-11-06 21:28 +0000
Re: Why use computer controlled farm machines? John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-11-06 13:48 -0800
Re: Why use computer controlled farm machines? "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-11-07 01:06 +0100
Re: Why use computer controlled farm machines? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-11-07 03:55 +0000
Re: Why use computer controlled farm machines? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-11-07 11:18 +0000
Re: Why use computer controlled farm machines? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-11-06 22:53 -0500
Re: Why use computer controlled farm machines? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-11-07 11:12 +0000
Re: Why use computer controlled farm machines? "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-11-07 14:33 +0100
Re: Why use computer controlled farm machines? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-11-07 13:48 +0000
Re: Why use computer controlled farm machines? "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-11-07 15:12 +0100
Re: Why use computer controlled farm machines? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-11-07 14:30 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-11-06 20:51 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-11-07 02:29 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-11-07 04:10 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-11-07 00:54 -0500
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-11-07 11:31 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-11-07 07:18 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-11-07 11:28 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-11-06 21:18 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-11-07 01:09 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-11-07 03:43 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-11-07 11:25 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-11-07 11:17 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-11-06 23:20 -0500
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-11-05 22:53 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-11-05 19:13 -0500
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-11-07 08:59 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-26 03:51 -0400
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-24 03:52 -0400
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-24 19:43 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-25 09:17 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-25 17:58 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-26 04:49 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-26 04:15 -0400
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-26 09:51 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-26 04:03 -0400
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-26 09:42 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-24 12:03 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-24 10:31 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-24 19:20 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-26 03:41 -0400
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-11-07 11:18 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Why use computer controlled farm machines? |
| Message-ID | <11cn1eg$3bnof$7@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #95260 |
On 06/11/2026 21:48, John Ames wrote: > On 6 Nov 2026 21:28:30 GMT > rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote: > >> And chatGPT regurgitated the John Deere sales literature... I do >> accept these advantages: > > Whether there's a case to be made for tech-assisted planting is really > kinda beside the point, anyway. The problem isn't whether it's useless, > it's that it's being used by an exploitative aspiring-monopoly to shaft > farmers and independent repair shops in order to pad their own profits. > Which is more of a matter for class-action suits and regulatory over- > sight, or would be if the US still had real antitrust enforcement :/ > What he said. +1 -- WOKE is an acronym... Without Originality, Knowledge or Education.
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2026-11-06 22:53 -0500 |
| Subject | Re: Why use computer controlled farm machines? |
| Message-ID | <3cednfaeMNYzPXP3nZ2dnZfqn_udnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #95245 |
On 11/6/26 13:07, Carlos E. R. wrote: > On 2026-11-06 14:26, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >> On 06/11/2026 13:18, Carlos E. R. wrote: >>> On 2026-11-05 22:57, Charlie Gibbs wrote: >>>> On 2026-11-05, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote: >>>> >>>>> On 05/11/2026 19:18, Charlie Gibbs wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>> So instead of "unauthorized bread" it was "unauthorized coffee". >>>>>> >>>>>> John Deere has introduced the concept of "unauthorized tractor >>>>>> parts". >>>>> >>>>> And the smart farmers are now buying Klaas >>>> >>>> I recently heard about a startup in Alberta whose goal is >>>> to build "computer-free" tractors. >>>> >>>> Stuff that works >>>> Stuff that holds up >>>> The kind of stuff you don't hang on the wall >>>> Stuff that's real >>>> Stuff you feel >>>> The kind of stuff you reach for when you fall >>>> -- Guy Clark >>>> >>> >>> Sounds nice, except when a farmer needs to seed a farm with precise >>> GPS controlled lines and holes. >>> >> Golly. However did we manage before semiconductors > > I'm not a farmer, but I have been told that seeding a farm with a gps > controlled seeded has numerous advantages, enough to invest in the > technology. > > I asked chatgpt. > > Q: what advantages has for a farmer seeding a farm with a GPS (and > computer) controlled machine? Or rather have GPS and computer controlled > machines for all or most operations? > > > Using GPS- and computer-controlled machinery in farming can provide > major advantages in productivity, profitability, precision, and > environmental sustainability. The benefits become even greater when GPS > guidance and computer control are used across most or all farm > operations, rather than only during seeding. > > This approach is generally called precision agriculture or precision > farming. > > The fundamental idea is simple: instead of treating an entire field as > if every square metre were identical, the farmer uses positioning, > sensors, maps, and computer-controlled machinery to manage the field > much more accurately. > > ## 1. Advantages when seeding with GPS and computer control > > Precision Agriculture Innovations: Transforming Farming > > 8 Farming Equipment Innovations That Revolutionized Agricultural > Efficiency - Agronomy Magazine > > Add precision to starter fertilizer use > > Even using GPS-controlled machinery for seeding alone can make a > substantial difference. > > - No overlaps: The tractor follows precisely defined paths, avoiding > seeding the same strip twice. > - No missed strips: Reduces gaps between planting passes. > - Accurate row spacing: Maintains consistent distances between rows. > - Precise seed placement: Computer-controlled planters can regulate seed > spacing and planting depth. > - Variable seeding rates: Different parts of a field can receive > different quantities of seed according to soil quality and productivity. > - Night-time operation: GPS guidance allows accurate planting even in > darkness, when visual guidance is difficult. > - Less operator fatigue: The driver does not have to constantly > concentrate on keeping perfectly straight rows. > - Reduced fuel consumption: Fewer unnecessary passes and overlaps mean > less fuel is used. > > An important advantage is that the same GPS guidance lines can be reused > for subsequent operations. > > ## 2. Advantages when GPS and computer control are used for most farm > operations > > Modern Farming > > Variable rate control - Trimble GPS > > Five questions about digital farming > > This is where the benefits become particularly interesting. > > Imagine that the tractor uses the same GPS reference lines for seeding, > fertilizing, spraying, cultivating and harvesting. > > The different machines then work in a coordinated system. > > ### A. Better use of land > > - More consistent spacing between rows. > - Less land wasted through overlaps and irregular passes. > - Better use of headlands and field boundaries. > - More efficient movement of machinery. > > ### B. Reduced costs > > | Operation | Potential benefit | > | --- | --- | > | Seeding | Less wasted seed | > | Fertilizing | Less fertilizer overlap | > | Spraying | Less chemical overlap | > | Cultivation | Fewer unnecessary passes | > | Harvesting | Reduced missed areas | > | Transport | More efficient field logistics | > > There can also be savings in labour, fuel, machinery wear and maintenance. > > ### C. Better soil protection > > One particularly interesting advantage is controlled traffic farming. > > Cambs farmer to showcase Controlled Traffic Farming method - FarmingUK News > > [farminguk.com](<https://www.farminguk.com/news/cambs-farmer-to- > showcase-controlled-traffic-farming-method_54849.html? > utm_source=chatgpt.com>) > > The idea is to make all machinery use the same permanent wheel tracks. > > For example: > > - The seeder follows the same tracks as the sprayer. > - The fertilizer spreader follows those tracks. > - The combine harvester follows them too, where machinery widths permit. > > This means that machinery repeatedly compresses the same relatively > small portions of the field instead of compacting new soil everywhere. > > The advantages include: > > - Less soil compaction. > - Better soil structure in the growing areas. > - Improved water infiltration. > - Better root development. > - Potentially improved crop yields. > > This can be one of the most valuable long-term benefits. > > ### D. More accurate fertilizer and pesticide application > > With GPS, computer control and suitable sensors, machinery can apply > inputs according to the actual needs of different areas. > > For example: > > - More fertilizer where soil nutrient levels or yield potential justify it. > - Less fertilizer where the soil is already sufficiently fertile. > - Spraying only where weeds or diseases are detected, when suitable > technology is available. > - Adjusting application rates while the machine is moving. > > This can reduce input costs and environmental impact. > > ### E. Improved irrigation management > > GPS, soil-moisture sensors and computer-controlled irrigation can help > farmers: > > - Apply different quantities of water to different areas. > - Avoid overwatering. > - Identify areas suffering from water stress. > - Automate irrigation according to soil moisture and weather conditions. > > This is particularly important in Mediterranean agriculture, where water > availability can be a major constraint. > > Climate-Adapt > > +1 > > ### F. Better information about the farm > > Farm equipment insurance carriers: 7 Top-Rated Picks 2025 > > [nyfarminsurance.com](<https://nyfarminsurance.com/post/farm-equipment- > insurance-carriers/?utm_source=chatgpt.com>) > > An integrated system can create a digital record of practically > everything that happens in each field. > > For example: > > - Where and when seeds were planted. > - How much seed was used. > - How much fertilizer was applied. > - Which areas were sprayed. > - How much water was used. > - How much crop was harvested in each location. > > The combine harvester can produce yield maps showing which parts of a > field are productive and which are not. > > Over several years, the farmer builds up a valuable database that helps > make better decisions. > > gps.gov > > +2 > > ## 3. The economic advantages: an illustrative example > > Consider a farmer cultivating 100 hectares of arable land. > > Suppose GPS guidance and computer-controlled machinery produce the > following hypothetical annual savings: > > | Source of savings | Example annual saving | > | --- | --- | > | Seed | €500 | > | Fertilizer | €1,500 | > | Pesticides | €600 | > | Diesel | €800 | > | Labour | €1,000 | > | Total | €4,400 | > > Illustrative figures only, not measured averages or a forecast. > > There could also be additional income from improved crop yields, better > planting accuracy and reduced soil compaction. > > However, these savings must be compared with: > > - Initial equipment investment. > - GPS correction subscriptions (if required). > - Software licences. > - Repairs and maintenance. > - Training and technical support. > > The economic benefit depends heavily on farm size, crop type, machinery > utilisation and existing farming practices. > > Ask IFAS > > +2 > > ## 4. What are the disadvantages? > > There are some important considerations. > > 1. Investment cost: Modern GPS receivers, controllers, sensors and > compatible implements can be expensive. > 2. Technical dependence: If the computer, GPS receiver or communication > system fails, operations may be interrupted. > 3. Compatibility: Different manufacturers do not always use fully > compatible systems. > 4. Training: The farmer needs to understand the equipment and interpret > the collected data. > 5. Maintenance: Electronic systems require software updates, calibration > and repairs. > 6. Data dependence: Poor soil maps or incorrect prescriptions can lead > to poor decisions, even with excellent machinery. > > One important point: GPS guidance alone does not automatically improve > crop yields. The greatest benefits come when accurate positioning is > combined with good agronomic information and appropriate machine control. > > MU Extension > > +1 > > ## 5. What would an ideal GPS-controlled farm look like? > > Here is an example of how I would envisage an integrated system: > > Sveaverken F200 – Agricultura de precisión simplificada > > Cropline | Swedish Agro > > John Deere G5 Command Center-display | Cumela > > | Farm operation | Computer/GPS function | > | --- | --- | > | Soil preparation | Automatic guidance and controlled working depth | > | Seeding | Precise seed spacing, depth and variable seeding rate | > | Fertilizing | Automatic variable-rate application | > | Spraying | GPS-guided spraying and automatic section control | > | Irrigation | Sensor-based automatic water application | > | Cultivation | Precise row guidance and working depth | > | Harvesting | GPS guidance and yield mapping | > | Transport | Optimized routes and machinery coordination | > > Ideally, all machinery would share the same digital field maps, > reference lines and operating records. > > The farmer could supervise the entire operation from a computer in the > farm office, or even from a tablet. "The Farmer" is going to be cut out of the equation entirely. "AI" farm machinery will quickly become the norm and WON'T need any stupid humans around. Besides, USA, the leftists don't WANT us able to make our own food - 101% dependence on hostile foreign sources is the goal. Line #3 for yer daily Soylent Green packet ....
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-11-07 11:12 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Why use computer controlled farm machines? |
| Message-ID | <11cn12c$3bnof$5@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #95245 |
On 06/11/2026 18:07, Carlos E. R. wrote: > One particularly interesting question is whether this technology could > make a farm significantly more profitable even without increasing its > cultivated area. In many cases, that is precisely where its greatest > long-term value lies. Indeed. Until your John Deere breaks down mid harvest,you have to hire other equipment and pay John Deere $50,000 to reboot the software,. The problem is not the technical complexity, the problem is that John Deere charges a fortune to service it sometime next month, and has made it so no one else can. In short it is a question of closed source software, hardware and specialised knowledge being used to gouge farmers for bottom line profit post sale. You will own nothing, and be miserable -- “Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies.” ― Groucho Marx
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| From | "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-11-07 14:33 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: Why use computer controlled farm machines? |
| Message-ID | <nl8nkjF2mh6U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #95291 |
On 2026-11-07 12:12, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 06/11/2026 18:07, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>> One particularly interesting question is whether this technology could
>> make a farm significantly more profitable even without increasing its
>> cultivated area. In many cases, that is precisely where its greatest
>> long-term value lies.
>
> Indeed. Until your John Deere breaks down mid harvest,you have to hire
> other equipment and pay John Deere $50,000 to reboot the software,.
>
> The problem is not the technical complexity, the problem is that John
> Deere charges a fortune to service it sometime next month, and has made
> it so no one else can.
>
> In short it is a question of closed source software, hardware and
> specialised knowledge being used to gouge farmers for bottom line profit
> post sale.
>
> You will own nothing, and be miserable
Well, create an association and create your own hardware and software,
open source. Ah, no, that's a communism. :-P
--
Cheers,
Carlos E.R.
ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺.
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-11-07 13:48 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Why use computer controlled farm machines? |
| Message-ID | <11cna7t$3f6f3$4@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #95302 |
On 07/11/2026 13:33, Carlos E. R. wrote: > On 2026-11-07 12:12, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >> On 06/11/2026 18:07, Carlos E. R. wrote: >>> One particularly interesting question is whether this technology >>> could make a farm significantly more profitable even without >>> increasing its cultivated area. In many cases, that is precisely >>> where its greatest long-term value lies. >> >> Indeed. Until your John Deere breaks down mid harvest,you have to hire >> other equipment and pay John Deere $50,000 to reboot the software,. >> >> The problem is not the technical complexity, the problem is that John >> Deere charges a fortune to service it sometime next month, and has >> made it so no one else can. >> >> In short it is a question of closed source software, hardware and >> specialised knowledge being used to gouge farmers for bottom line >> profit post sale. >> >> You will own nothing, and be miserable > > Well, create an association and create your own hardware and software, > open source. Ah, no, that's a communism. :-P > No, it isn't. "You will own nothing, and be miserable", is communism Creating your own hardware and software is entrepreneurial capitalism. Making it open source is a way to get other people to bug fix it for you. -- “it should be clear by now to everyone that activist environmentalism (or environmental activism) is becoming a general ideology about humans, about their freedom, about the relationship between the individual and the state, and about the manipulation of people under the guise of a 'noble' idea. It is not an honest pursuit of 'sustainable development,' a matter of elementary environmental protection, or a search for rational mechanisms designed to achieve a healthy environment. Yet things do occur that make you shake your head and remind yourself that you live neither in Joseph Stalin’s Communist era, nor in the Orwellian utopia of 1984.” Vaclav Klaus
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| From | "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-11-07 15:12 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: Why use computer controlled farm machines? |
| Message-ID | <nl8pu5F2mh6U2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #95303 |
On 2026-11-07 14:48, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 07/11/2026 13:33, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>> On 2026-11-07 12:12, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>> On 06/11/2026 18:07, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>>> One particularly interesting question is whether this technology
>>>> could make a farm significantly more profitable even without
>>>> increasing its cultivated area. In many cases, that is precisely
>>>> where its greatest long-term value lies.
>>>
>>> Indeed. Until your John Deere breaks down mid harvest,you have to
>>> hire other equipment and pay John Deere $50,000 to reboot the software,.
>>>
>>> The problem is not the technical complexity, the problem is that John
>>> Deere charges a fortune to service it sometime next month, and has
>>> made it so no one else can.
>>>
>>> In short it is a question of closed source software, hardware and
>>> specialised knowledge being used to gouge farmers for bottom line
>>> profit post sale.
>>>
>>> You will own nothing, and be miserable
>>
>> Well, create an association and create your own hardware and software,
>> open source. Ah, no, that's a communism. :-P
>>
> No, it isn't. "You will own nothing, and be miserable", is communism
>
> Creating your own hardware and software is entrepreneurial capitalism.
> Making it open source is a way to get other people to bug fix it for you.
It is not capitalism if it is a communal association (a cooperative, in
the Spanish legal system) of all farmers. :-)
--
Cheers,
Carlos E.R.
ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺.
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-11-07 14:30 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Why use computer controlled farm machines? |
| Message-ID | <11cncn1$3gcnm$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #95304 |
On 07/11/2026 14:12, Carlos E. R. wrote: > On 2026-11-07 14:48, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >> On 07/11/2026 13:33, Carlos E. R. wrote: >>> On 2026-11-07 12:12, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >>>> On 06/11/2026 18:07, Carlos E. R. wrote: >>>>> One particularly interesting question is whether this technology >>>>> could make a farm significantly more profitable even without >>>>> increasing its cultivated area. In many cases, that is precisely >>>>> where its greatest long-term value lies. >>>> >>>> Indeed. Until your John Deere breaks down mid harvest,you have to >>>> hire other equipment and pay John Deere $50,000 to reboot the >>>> software,. >>>> >>>> The problem is not the technical complexity, the problem is that >>>> John Deere charges a fortune to service it sometime next month, and >>>> has made it so no one else can. >>>> >>>> In short it is a question of closed source software, hardware and >>>> specialised knowledge being used to gouge farmers for bottom line >>>> profit post sale. >>>> >>>> You will own nothing, and be miserable >>> >>> Well, create an association and create your own hardware and >>> software, open source. Ah, no, that's a communism. :-P >>> >> No, it isn't. "You will own nothing, and be miserable", is communism >> >> Creating your own hardware and software is entrepreneurial capitalism. >> Making it open source is a way to get other people to bug fix it for you. > > It is not capitalism if it is a communal association (a cooperative, in > the Spanish legal system) of all farmers. :-) > A limited company with shares is a 'communal association' between its shareholders. You have absorbed too much Left Wing propaganda. -- There is something fascinating about science. One gets such wholesale returns of conjecture out of such a trifling investment of fact. Mark Twain
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| From | Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-11-06 20:51 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <E5rHS.174$ML4.82@fx14.iad> |
| In reply to | #95237 |
On 2026-11-06, Carlos E. R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote: > On 2026-11-05 22:57, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > >> On 2026-11-05, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote: >> >>> On 05/11/2026 19:18, Charlie Gibbs wrote: >>> >>>>> So instead of "unauthorized bread" it was "unauthorized coffee". >>>> >>>> John Deere has introduced the concept of "unauthorized tractor parts". >>> >>> And the smart farmers are now buying Klaas >> >> I recently heard about a startup in Alberta whose goal is >> to build "computer-free" tractors. >> >> Stuff that works >> Stuff that holds up >> The kind of stuff you don't hang on the wall >> Stuff that's real >> Stuff you feel >> The kind of stuff you reach for when you fall >> -- Guy Clark > > Sounds nice, except when a farmer needs to seed a farm with precise GPS > controlled lines and holes. That's when he pulls out his Garmin handheld... -- /~\ Charlie Gibbs | In this world there are \ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | two kinds of people: X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | 1. Those who can extrapolate / \ if you read it the right way. | from incomplete data.
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-11-07 02:29 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <nl7gntFpkshU7@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #95248 |
On Fri, 06 Nov 2026 20:51:48 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > On 2026-11-06, Carlos E. R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote: > >> On 2026-11-05 22:57, Charlie Gibbs wrote: >> >>> On 2026-11-05, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote: >>> >>>> On 05/11/2026 19:18, Charlie Gibbs wrote: >>>> >>>>>> So instead of "unauthorized bread" it was "unauthorized coffee". >>>>> >>>>> John Deere has introduced the concept of "unauthorized tractor >>>>> parts". >>>> >>>> And the smart farmers are now buying Klaas >>> >>> I recently heard about a startup in Alberta whose goal is to build >>> "computer-free" tractors. >>> >>> Stuff that works Stuff that holds up The kind of stuff you don't >>> hang on the wall Stuff that's real Stuff you feel The kind of >>> stuff you reach for when you fall >>> -- Guy Clark >> >> Sounds nice, except when a farmer needs to seed a farm with precise GPS >> controlled lines and holes. > > That's when he pulls out his Garmin handheld... As long as 'precise' means within 3 to 4 meters...
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| From | Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-11-07 04:10 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <WwxHS.3$Cm3.0@fx47.iad> |
| In reply to | #95268 |
On 2026-11-07, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote: > On Fri, 06 Nov 2026 20:51:48 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > >> On 2026-11-06, Carlos E. R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote: >> >>> Sounds nice, except when a farmer needs to seed a farm with precise GPS >>> controlled lines and holes. >> >> That's when he pulls out his Garmin handheld... > > As long as 'precise' means within 3 to 4 meters... OK, so maybe WAAS won't cut it. I'm not familiar with the requirements for GPS in farming. But there must be some sort of third-party DGPS system that would enable the farmer to tell John Deere to get stuffed, even if it means reverse-engineering the interface to the machine's "autopilot". -- /~\ Charlie Gibbs | In this world there are \ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | two kinds of people: X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | 1. Those who can extrapolate / \ if you read it the right way. | from incomplete data.
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2026-11-07 00:54 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <R9GdnWjspZa9IHP3nZ2dnZfqn_idnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #95279 |
On 11/6/26 23:10, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > On 2026-11-07, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote: > >> On Fri, 06 Nov 2026 20:51:48 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote: >> >>> On 2026-11-06, Carlos E. R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote: >>> >>>> Sounds nice, except when a farmer needs to seed a farm with precise GPS >>>> controlled lines and holes. >>> >>> That's when he pulls out his Garmin handheld... >> >> As long as 'precise' means within 3 to 4 meters... > > OK, so maybe WAAS won't cut it. I'm not familiar with the > requirements for GPS in farming. But there must be some > sort of third-party DGPS system that would enable the > farmer to tell John Deere to get stuffed, even if it > means reverse-engineering the interface to the machine's > "autopilot". There REALLY aren't many uses for GPS/'precision' farming for the most part. Indeed farms where the furrows follow the landscape, 'terracing', probably have less erosion. The idea of extremely straight lines ... a 'need' that was INVENTED.
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-11-07 11:31 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <11cn26k$3bnof$10@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #95286 |
On 07/11/2026 05:54, c186282 wrote: > There REALLY aren't many uses for GPS/'precision' > farming for the most part. Indeed farms where the > furrows follow the landscape, 'terracing', probably > have less erosion. > Bollocks. If you can maintain seed spacing to an inch - and they do,- in three dimensions, you optimise plant yield versus fertiliser, weeding with mechanical hoes becomes possible..and harvesting is extremely accurate with constant plant height and known positions > The idea of extremely straight lines ... a 'need' > that was INVENTED. Bullshit. Its simply the easiest way to work a large field -- Climate Change: Socialism wearing a lab coat.
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-11-07 07:18 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <nl81mfFpkshU14@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #95279 |
On Sat, 07 Nov 2026 04:10:30 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > OK, so maybe WAAS won't cut it. I'm not familiar with the requirements > for GPS in farming. But there must be some sort of third-party DGPS > system that would enable the farmer to tell John Deere to get stuffed, > even if it means reverse-engineering the interface to the machine's > "autopilot". Deere has a couple of approaches to dGPS: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/StarFire_(navigation_system) That's similar to what surveyors use although they can also do some post processing. However there is a lot more to it that getting an accurate location. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gThVsfD8SwI
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-11-07 11:28 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <11cn21h$3bnof$9@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #95279 |
On 07/11/2026 04:10, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > But there must be some > sort of third-party DGPS system that would enable the > farmer to tell John Deere to get stuffed, even if it > means reverse-engineering the interface to the machine's > "autopilot". There isn't. Which is why John Deere got slapped with a massive class (not CLAAS) action lawsuit and an FTC judgement. They narrowly escaped real censure by paying up Its all Apple MAC shit as well. -- The difference bweteen a psychopath and a saint is that the psychpoath takes what he can and gives only what he must, but the saint gives everything he can and takes only what he needs.
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-11-06 21:18 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <nl6ugiFpkshU2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #95237 |
On Fri, 6 Nov 2026 14:18:13 +0100, Carlos E. R. wrote: > Sounds nice, except when a farmer needs to seed a farm with precise GPS > controlled lines and holes. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seed_drill Never did much farming, did you?
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| From | "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-11-07 01:09 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <nl78i5FplcsU3@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #95256 |
On 2026-11-06 22:18, rbowman wrote:
> On Fri, 6 Nov 2026 14:18:13 +0100, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>
>> Sounds nice, except when a farmer needs to seed a farm with precise GPS
>> controlled lines and holes.
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seed_drill
>
> Never did much farming, did you?
Me? No way. But I heard some farmers talking about how wonderful and
beneficial is GPS controlled farming.
--
Cheers,
Carlos E.R.
ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺.
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-11-07 03:43 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <nl7l37FpkshU11@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #95265 |
On Sat, 7 Nov 2026 01:09:41 +0100, Carlos E. R. wrote: > Me? No way. But I heard some farmers talking about how wonderful and > beneficial is GPS controlled farming. https://farmonaut.com/precision-farming/gps-applications-in-agriculture-7- key-benefits-2025 The larger operations have adopted the technology. Reading closely mapping doesn't seem common which offsets the other claimed advantages that depend on mapping. The USDA has promoted 'get big or get out' since the Johnson administration and the agricorps have taken it to heart. https://topostreets.com/top-10-largest-farms-in-the-united-states/ Considering 100,000 acres is 156 square miles a GPS might be helpful in finding your way home. I can't find a similar listing for Spain but one site says 50% of the farms are 5 hectares (12 acres) or less. Around here many subdivisions have zoning laws that require at least 10 acre lot sizes so many McMansions have a 10 acre lawn. An autonomous GPS guided lawnmower might be nice although most of those people have a lawn service.
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-11-07 11:25 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <11cn1ra$3bnof$8@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #95265 |
On 07/11/2026 00:09, Carlos E. R. wrote:
> On 2026-11-06 22:18, rbowman wrote:
>> On Fri, 6 Nov 2026 14:18:13 +0100, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>
>>> Sounds nice, except when a farmer needs to seed a farm with precise GPS
>>> controlled lines and holes.
>>
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seed_drill
>>
>> Never did much farming, did you?
>
> Me? No way. But I heard some farmers talking about how wonderful and
> beneficial is GPS controlled farming.
>
There is no doubt that, especially on the enormous acreages of the Mid
Western USA, giant equipment with state of the art positioning, and the
ability to control e,g grain hopper tractors to synchronise with the
combines, has cut labour requirements dramatically.
But if more money is now going to John Deere to keep that equipment in
the fields, its not really an advance, is it?
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"John Deere resolved major right-to-repair legal battles through a $99
million class-action settlement with farmers in April 2026, followed by
a federal settlement with the FTC and five state attorneys general in
July 2026.
The Class-Action Settlement (April 2026)
Value: A $99 million fund compensating farmers and independent
repair shops for large agricultural equipment repairs paid to Deere or
its authorized dealers between January 10, 2018, and preliminary approval.
Individual Payouts: Averages roughly $240 to $395 per claimant (or
about $0.51 to $0.84 per acre), though critics argue this is a fraction
of actual repair overhead.
Injunctive Terms: Deere agreed for 10 years to provide repair
resources and services on fair and reasonable terms to owners, lessors,
and independent shops, though some farmers and unions have formally
objected, claiming the terms leave core digital restrictions intact.
The FTC and State Settlement (July 2026)
Scope: Followed a January 2025 FTC antitrust lawsuit accusing Deere
of unlawfully monopolizing farm equipment repair services.
Access to Software & Tools: Legally mandates that Deere give
independent repair shops and farmers the same diagnostic software,
service tools, repair manuals, and code-resetting/pairing capabilities
it provides to official dealers.
Anti-Retaliation & Oversight: Prohibits Deere and its dealer
network from retaliating against or "bricking" equipment repaired by
owners, places Deere under 10 years of federal/state compliance
oversight, and includes a $1 million payment to participating state
agencies.
Public Sentiment: As discussed on Reddit, opinions are mixed: some
view the ruling as a historic win for independent mechanics, while
others argue that lack of admitted fault and lingering Digital Rights
Management (DRM) leave underlying repair roadblocks in place. "
Open source tractors, any one?
--
WOKE is an acronym... Without Originality, Knowledge or Education.
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-11-07 11:17 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <11cn1d2$3bnof$6@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #95256 |
On 06/11/2026 21:18, rbowman wrote: > On Fri, 6 Nov 2026 14:18:13 +0100, Carlos E. R. wrote: > >> Sounds nice, except when a farmer needs to seed a farm with precise GPS >> controlled lines and holes. > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seed_drill > > Never did much farming, did you? Don't see much wrong with what carlos said. Of course you follow the previous line in a non GPS controlled machine. CLAAS has GPS as well. That's not why people are switching. Its the serviceability of equipment designed to be serviced by third parties with proper after sales support, not a shoal of software sharks. -- Socialism is the philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance and the gospel of envy. Its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery. Winston Churchill
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2026-11-06 23:20 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <EoicnR9AoNlgO3P3nZ2dnZfqnPudnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #95237 |
On 11/6/26 08:18, Carlos E. R. wrote: > On 2026-11-05 22:57, Charlie Gibbs wrote: >> On 2026-11-05, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote: >> >>> On 05/11/2026 19:18, Charlie Gibbs wrote: >>> >>>>> So instead of "unauthorized bread" it was "unauthorized coffee". >>>> >>>> John Deere has introduced the concept of "unauthorized tractor parts". >>> >>> And the smart farmers are now buying Klaas >> >> I recently heard about a startup in Alberta whose goal is >> to build "computer-free" tractors. >> >> Stuff that works >> Stuff that holds up >> The kind of stuff you don't hang on the wall >> Stuff that's real >> Stuff you feel >> The kind of stuff you reach for when you fall >> -- Guy Clark >> > > Sounds nice, except when a farmer needs to seed a farm with precise GPS > controlled lines and holes. Well, 'precise' SOUNDS good, but for FARMING you really don't need THAT much precision - why spend the extra $$$, put up with the extra tech complications ? "Reliable with almost no tech" has a useful place. If a dirt farmer I'd buy a Canuk 1965-tech tractor. China can't turn it off by remote control.
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