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| Started by | Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> |
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| First post | 2026-09-22 20:08 +0000 |
| Last post | 2026-09-26 14:01 +0000 |
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More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> - 2026-09-22 20:08 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-09-22 22:39 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-23 00:25 -0400
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-09-23 09:41 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-09-23 08:50 -0700
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2026-09-26 12:50 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-23 23:11 -0400
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-23 12:43 +0200
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2026-09-23 14:09 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI jayjwa <jayjwa@atr2.ath.cx.invalid> - 2026-09-23 11:55 -0400
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2026-09-23 23:00 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-24 01:31 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-09-24 10:07 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-24 19:30 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Anton Antimo <anton@safunu.org> - 2026-09-24 10:39 -0300
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2026-09-26 13:02 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> - 2026-09-26 14:51 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2026-09-27 13:29 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> - 2026-09-27 19:39 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2026-10-11 11:37 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> - 2026-10-11 14:56 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 09:55 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2026-09-27 11:01 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-30 07:57 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-09-30 08:40 -0700
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> - 2026-09-30 20:50 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-30 20:56 -0400
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-01 04:21 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-10-01 08:04 -0700
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-02 00:48 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-02 00:32 -0400
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-03 00:51 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-03 02:02 -0400
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-03 09:27 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-03 23:21 -0400
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-02 12:17 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-02 22:34 -0400
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-02 02:57 -0400
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-02 12:24 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-02 22:59 -0400
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-03 09:02 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-01 04:16 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2026-10-03 10:08 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-03 12:06 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 12:55 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI John Bokma <contact@johnbokma.com> - 2026-09-23 19:24 +0200
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-23 18:28 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI John Bokma <contact@johnbokma.com> - 2026-09-23 21:04 +0200
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2026-09-24 07:16 +1000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI John Bokma <contact@johnbokma.com> - 2026-09-24 12:03 +0200
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> - 2026-09-26 17:37 +1000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 09:53 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-27 18:56 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-09-28 12:52 -0400
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-28 17:21 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-09-28 15:56 -0400
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-29 03:30 -0400
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2026-09-29 02:20 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-29 03:45 -0400
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2026-09-29 12:36 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-09-29 10:51 -0400
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-09-29 18:19 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-29 19:38 -0400
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-09-29 23:55 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-29 18:54 -0400
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-09-29 23:55 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-30 01:14 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-30 02:04 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Chris Abraham <chris@gerriscorp.com> - 2026-09-30 13:27 -0400
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-30 15:47 -0400
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-09-30 20:17 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-30 20:33 -0400
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-01 04:55 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-01 02:01 -0400
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-01 11:08 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-02 00:42 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-01 23:49 -0400
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-02 12:14 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-02 19:33 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-02 20:44 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-02 22:13 -0400
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-03 08:59 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-03 04:11 -0400
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-03 20:00 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-04 09:04 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-04 23:47 -0400
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-05 10:06 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-04 13:09 +0200
[OT] US politics (was: Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-04 17:16 +0100
Re: [OT] US politics (was: Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-04 18:18 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-04 18:13 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-04 19:33 +0200
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-05 02:46 -0400
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-05 10:18 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-04 18:33 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-04 20:42 +0200
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-05 01:24 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-05 23:20 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-06 01:44 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-06 03:56 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-07 01:45 -0400
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-07 08:01 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-07 03:32 -0400
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-07 11:00 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-07 18:42 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-08 07:45 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-08 20:23 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-10-08 17:24 -0400
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-08 23:59 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Harold Stevens <wookie@bookworm.localdomain> - 2026-10-09 05:00 -0500
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2026-10-08 23:44 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-09 02:36 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-10-14 14:21 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-14 16:57 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-07 11:58 +0200
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-07 11:33 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-07 11:56 +0200
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-07 11:28 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-08 20:08 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-08 22:06 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-10-08 17:18 -0400
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-08 22:21 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-09 02:48 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-09 02:46 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2026-10-09 04:21 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-09 18:15 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-09 11:14 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-09 18:27 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-10-08 17:14 -0400
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-08 22:20 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-09 02:55 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-09 02:53 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-06 08:56 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-02 19:32 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-02 20:42 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-03 03:08 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-03 02:05 -0400
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-03 01:59 -0400
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-03 09:04 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-03 19:57 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-04 09:02 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-04 13:11 +0200
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-10-03 16:09 -0400
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-04 09:08 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2026-10-04 10:48 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-04 18:09 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-04 19:35 +0200
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-04 18:59 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-04 20:33 +0200
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-05 01:09 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-05 10:03 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-10-05 12:51 -0400
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-05 02:45 -0400
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-05 10:33 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-02 12:13 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-02 19:27 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-02 21:32 -0400
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-02 02:49 -0400
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-02 12:21 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-02 22:44 -0400
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-01 04:50 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-01 11:06 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-02 00:40 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-01 11:03 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Chris Abraham <chris@gerriscorp.com> - 2026-09-29 20:15 -0400
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-09-29 10:46 -0400
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-24 11:56 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-24 20:00 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-26 02:09 -0400
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> - 2026-09-24 00:18 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-24 01:24 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-24 11:58 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-24 19:47 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-26 02:13 -0400
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-24 00:21 -0400
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-24 05:53 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-24 03:03 -0400
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-24 12:23 +0200
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-24 19:42 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-24 21:56 +0200
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-09-24 23:17 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-26 01:00 -0400
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-24 19:39 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-09-24 23:17 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-25 04:36 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-09-25 19:14 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-26 04:01 -0400
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-09-26 14:43 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-11-05 15:41 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-11-05 19:18 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-11-05 21:20 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-11-05 21:57 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-11-06 01:18 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-11-06 14:18 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-11-06 13:26 +0000
Why use computer controlled farm machines? "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-11-06 19:07 +0100
Re: Why use computer controlled farm machines? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-11-06 21:28 +0000
Re: Why use computer controlled farm machines? John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-11-06 13:48 -0800
Re: Why use computer controlled farm machines? "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-11-07 01:06 +0100
Re: Why use computer controlled farm machines? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-11-07 03:55 +0000
Re: Why use computer controlled farm machines? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-11-06 22:53 -0500
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-11-06 20:51 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-11-07 02:29 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-11-07 04:10 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-11-06 21:18 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-11-07 01:09 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-11-07 03:43 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-11-06 23:20 -0500
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-11-05 22:53 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-11-05 19:13 -0500
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-26 03:51 -0400
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-24 03:52 -0400
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-24 19:43 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-25 09:17 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-25 17:58 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-26 04:49 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-26 04:15 -0400
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-26 09:51 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-26 04:03 -0400
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-26 09:42 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-24 12:03 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-24 10:31 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-24 19:20 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-26 03:41 -0400
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-26 14:01 +0000
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2026-11-06 22:53 -0500 |
| Subject | Re: Why use computer controlled farm machines? |
| Message-ID | <3cednfaeMNYzPXP3nZ2dnZfqn_udnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #95245 |
On 11/6/26 13:07, Carlos E. R. wrote: > On 2026-11-06 14:26, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >> On 06/11/2026 13:18, Carlos E. R. wrote: >>> On 2026-11-05 22:57, Charlie Gibbs wrote: >>>> On 2026-11-05, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote: >>>> >>>>> On 05/11/2026 19:18, Charlie Gibbs wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>> So instead of "unauthorized bread" it was "unauthorized coffee". >>>>>> >>>>>> John Deere has introduced the concept of "unauthorized tractor >>>>>> parts". >>>>> >>>>> And the smart farmers are now buying Klaas >>>> >>>> I recently heard about a startup in Alberta whose goal is >>>> to build "computer-free" tractors. >>>> >>>> Stuff that works >>>> Stuff that holds up >>>> The kind of stuff you don't hang on the wall >>>> Stuff that's real >>>> Stuff you feel >>>> The kind of stuff you reach for when you fall >>>> -- Guy Clark >>>> >>> >>> Sounds nice, except when a farmer needs to seed a farm with precise >>> GPS controlled lines and holes. >>> >> Golly. However did we manage before semiconductors > > I'm not a farmer, but I have been told that seeding a farm with a gps > controlled seeded has numerous advantages, enough to invest in the > technology. > > I asked chatgpt. > > Q: what advantages has for a farmer seeding a farm with a GPS (and > computer) controlled machine? Or rather have GPS and computer controlled > machines for all or most operations? > > > Using GPS- and computer-controlled machinery in farming can provide > major advantages in productivity, profitability, precision, and > environmental sustainability. The benefits become even greater when GPS > guidance and computer control are used across most or all farm > operations, rather than only during seeding. > > This approach is generally called precision agriculture or precision > farming. > > The fundamental idea is simple: instead of treating an entire field as > if every square metre were identical, the farmer uses positioning, > sensors, maps, and computer-controlled machinery to manage the field > much more accurately. > > ## 1. Advantages when seeding with GPS and computer control > > Precision Agriculture Innovations: Transforming Farming > > 8 Farming Equipment Innovations That Revolutionized Agricultural > Efficiency - Agronomy Magazine > > Add precision to starter fertilizer use > > Even using GPS-controlled machinery for seeding alone can make a > substantial difference. > > - No overlaps: The tractor follows precisely defined paths, avoiding > seeding the same strip twice. > - No missed strips: Reduces gaps between planting passes. > - Accurate row spacing: Maintains consistent distances between rows. > - Precise seed placement: Computer-controlled planters can regulate seed > spacing and planting depth. > - Variable seeding rates: Different parts of a field can receive > different quantities of seed according to soil quality and productivity. > - Night-time operation: GPS guidance allows accurate planting even in > darkness, when visual guidance is difficult. > - Less operator fatigue: The driver does not have to constantly > concentrate on keeping perfectly straight rows. > - Reduced fuel consumption: Fewer unnecessary passes and overlaps mean > less fuel is used. > > An important advantage is that the same GPS guidance lines can be reused > for subsequent operations. > > ## 2. Advantages when GPS and computer control are used for most farm > operations > > Modern Farming > > Variable rate control - Trimble GPS > > Five questions about digital farming > > This is where the benefits become particularly interesting. > > Imagine that the tractor uses the same GPS reference lines for seeding, > fertilizing, spraying, cultivating and harvesting. > > The different machines then work in a coordinated system. > > ### A. Better use of land > > - More consistent spacing between rows. > - Less land wasted through overlaps and irregular passes. > - Better use of headlands and field boundaries. > - More efficient movement of machinery. > > ### B. Reduced costs > > | Operation | Potential benefit | > | --- | --- | > | Seeding | Less wasted seed | > | Fertilizing | Less fertilizer overlap | > | Spraying | Less chemical overlap | > | Cultivation | Fewer unnecessary passes | > | Harvesting | Reduced missed areas | > | Transport | More efficient field logistics | > > There can also be savings in labour, fuel, machinery wear and maintenance. > > ### C. Better soil protection > > One particularly interesting advantage is controlled traffic farming. > > Cambs farmer to showcase Controlled Traffic Farming method - FarmingUK News > > [farminguk.com](<https://www.farminguk.com/news/cambs-farmer-to- > showcase-controlled-traffic-farming-method_54849.html? > utm_source=chatgpt.com>) > > The idea is to make all machinery use the same permanent wheel tracks. > > For example: > > - The seeder follows the same tracks as the sprayer. > - The fertilizer spreader follows those tracks. > - The combine harvester follows them too, where machinery widths permit. > > This means that machinery repeatedly compresses the same relatively > small portions of the field instead of compacting new soil everywhere. > > The advantages include: > > - Less soil compaction. > - Better soil structure in the growing areas. > - Improved water infiltration. > - Better root development. > - Potentially improved crop yields. > > This can be one of the most valuable long-term benefits. > > ### D. More accurate fertilizer and pesticide application > > With GPS, computer control and suitable sensors, machinery can apply > inputs according to the actual needs of different areas. > > For example: > > - More fertilizer where soil nutrient levels or yield potential justify it. > - Less fertilizer where the soil is already sufficiently fertile. > - Spraying only where weeds or diseases are detected, when suitable > technology is available. > - Adjusting application rates while the machine is moving. > > This can reduce input costs and environmental impact. > > ### E. Improved irrigation management > > GPS, soil-moisture sensors and computer-controlled irrigation can help > farmers: > > - Apply different quantities of water to different areas. > - Avoid overwatering. > - Identify areas suffering from water stress. > - Automate irrigation according to soil moisture and weather conditions. > > This is particularly important in Mediterranean agriculture, where water > availability can be a major constraint. > > Climate-Adapt > > +1 > > ### F. Better information about the farm > > Farm equipment insurance carriers: 7 Top-Rated Picks 2025 > > [nyfarminsurance.com](<https://nyfarminsurance.com/post/farm-equipment- > insurance-carriers/?utm_source=chatgpt.com>) > > An integrated system can create a digital record of practically > everything that happens in each field. > > For example: > > - Where and when seeds were planted. > - How much seed was used. > - How much fertilizer was applied. > - Which areas were sprayed. > - How much water was used. > - How much crop was harvested in each location. > > The combine harvester can produce yield maps showing which parts of a > field are productive and which are not. > > Over several years, the farmer builds up a valuable database that helps > make better decisions. > > gps.gov > > +2 > > ## 3. The economic advantages: an illustrative example > > Consider a farmer cultivating 100 hectares of arable land. > > Suppose GPS guidance and computer-controlled machinery produce the > following hypothetical annual savings: > > | Source of savings | Example annual saving | > | --- | --- | > | Seed | €500 | > | Fertilizer | €1,500 | > | Pesticides | €600 | > | Diesel | €800 | > | Labour | €1,000 | > | Total | €4,400 | > > Illustrative figures only, not measured averages or a forecast. > > There could also be additional income from improved crop yields, better > planting accuracy and reduced soil compaction. > > However, these savings must be compared with: > > - Initial equipment investment. > - GPS correction subscriptions (if required). > - Software licences. > - Repairs and maintenance. > - Training and technical support. > > The economic benefit depends heavily on farm size, crop type, machinery > utilisation and existing farming practices. > > Ask IFAS > > +2 > > ## 4. What are the disadvantages? > > There are some important considerations. > > 1. Investment cost: Modern GPS receivers, controllers, sensors and > compatible implements can be expensive. > 2. Technical dependence: If the computer, GPS receiver or communication > system fails, operations may be interrupted. > 3. Compatibility: Different manufacturers do not always use fully > compatible systems. > 4. Training: The farmer needs to understand the equipment and interpret > the collected data. > 5. Maintenance: Electronic systems require software updates, calibration > and repairs. > 6. Data dependence: Poor soil maps or incorrect prescriptions can lead > to poor decisions, even with excellent machinery. > > One important point: GPS guidance alone does not automatically improve > crop yields. The greatest benefits come when accurate positioning is > combined with good agronomic information and appropriate machine control. > > MU Extension > > +1 > > ## 5. What would an ideal GPS-controlled farm look like? > > Here is an example of how I would envisage an integrated system: > > Sveaverken F200 – Agricultura de precisión simplificada > > Cropline | Swedish Agro > > John Deere G5 Command Center-display | Cumela > > | Farm operation | Computer/GPS function | > | --- | --- | > | Soil preparation | Automatic guidance and controlled working depth | > | Seeding | Precise seed spacing, depth and variable seeding rate | > | Fertilizing | Automatic variable-rate application | > | Spraying | GPS-guided spraying and automatic section control | > | Irrigation | Sensor-based automatic water application | > | Cultivation | Precise row guidance and working depth | > | Harvesting | GPS guidance and yield mapping | > | Transport | Optimized routes and machinery coordination | > > Ideally, all machinery would share the same digital field maps, > reference lines and operating records. > > The farmer could supervise the entire operation from a computer in the > farm office, or even from a tablet. "The Farmer" is going to be cut out of the equation entirely. "AI" farm machinery will quickly become the norm and WON'T need any stupid humans around. Besides, USA, the leftists don't WANT us able to make our own food - 101% dependence on hostile foreign sources is the goal. Line #3 for yer daily Soylent Green packet ....
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| From | Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-11-06 20:51 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <E5rHS.174$ML4.82@fx14.iad> |
| In reply to | #95237 |
On 2026-11-06, Carlos E. R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote: > On 2026-11-05 22:57, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > >> On 2026-11-05, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote: >> >>> On 05/11/2026 19:18, Charlie Gibbs wrote: >>> >>>>> So instead of "unauthorized bread" it was "unauthorized coffee". >>>> >>>> John Deere has introduced the concept of "unauthorized tractor parts". >>> >>> And the smart farmers are now buying Klaas >> >> I recently heard about a startup in Alberta whose goal is >> to build "computer-free" tractors. >> >> Stuff that works >> Stuff that holds up >> The kind of stuff you don't hang on the wall >> Stuff that's real >> Stuff you feel >> The kind of stuff you reach for when you fall >> -- Guy Clark > > Sounds nice, except when a farmer needs to seed a farm with precise GPS > controlled lines and holes. That's when he pulls out his Garmin handheld... -- /~\ Charlie Gibbs | In this world there are \ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | two kinds of people: X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | 1. Those who can extrapolate / \ if you read it the right way. | from incomplete data.
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-11-07 02:29 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <nl7gntFpkshU7@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #95248 |
On Fri, 06 Nov 2026 20:51:48 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > On 2026-11-06, Carlos E. R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote: > >> On 2026-11-05 22:57, Charlie Gibbs wrote: >> >>> On 2026-11-05, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote: >>> >>>> On 05/11/2026 19:18, Charlie Gibbs wrote: >>>> >>>>>> So instead of "unauthorized bread" it was "unauthorized coffee". >>>>> >>>>> John Deere has introduced the concept of "unauthorized tractor >>>>> parts". >>>> >>>> And the smart farmers are now buying Klaas >>> >>> I recently heard about a startup in Alberta whose goal is to build >>> "computer-free" tractors. >>> >>> Stuff that works Stuff that holds up The kind of stuff you don't >>> hang on the wall Stuff that's real Stuff you feel The kind of >>> stuff you reach for when you fall >>> -- Guy Clark >> >> Sounds nice, except when a farmer needs to seed a farm with precise GPS >> controlled lines and holes. > > That's when he pulls out his Garmin handheld... As long as 'precise' means within 3 to 4 meters...
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| From | Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-11-07 04:10 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <WwxHS.3$Cm3.0@fx47.iad> |
| In reply to | #95268 |
On 2026-11-07, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote: > On Fri, 06 Nov 2026 20:51:48 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > >> On 2026-11-06, Carlos E. R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote: >> >>> Sounds nice, except when a farmer needs to seed a farm with precise GPS >>> controlled lines and holes. >> >> That's when he pulls out his Garmin handheld... > > As long as 'precise' means within 3 to 4 meters... OK, so maybe WAAS won't cut it. I'm not familiar with the requirements for GPS in farming. But there must be some sort of third-party DGPS system that would enable the farmer to tell John Deere to get stuffed, even if it means reverse-engineering the interface to the machine's "autopilot". -- /~\ Charlie Gibbs | In this world there are \ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | two kinds of people: X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | 1. Those who can extrapolate / \ if you read it the right way. | from incomplete data.
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-11-06 21:18 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <nl6ugiFpkshU2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #95237 |
On Fri, 6 Nov 2026 14:18:13 +0100, Carlos E. R. wrote: > Sounds nice, except when a farmer needs to seed a farm with precise GPS > controlled lines and holes. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seed_drill Never did much farming, did you?
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| From | "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-11-07 01:09 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <nl78i5FplcsU3@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #95256 |
On 2026-11-06 22:18, rbowman wrote:
> On Fri, 6 Nov 2026 14:18:13 +0100, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>
>> Sounds nice, except when a farmer needs to seed a farm with precise GPS
>> controlled lines and holes.
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seed_drill
>
> Never did much farming, did you?
Me? No way. But I heard some farmers talking about how wonderful and
beneficial is GPS controlled farming.
--
Cheers,
Carlos E.R.
ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺.
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-11-07 03:43 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <nl7l37FpkshU11@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #95265 |
On Sat, 7 Nov 2026 01:09:41 +0100, Carlos E. R. wrote: > Me? No way. But I heard some farmers talking about how wonderful and > beneficial is GPS controlled farming. https://farmonaut.com/precision-farming/gps-applications-in-agriculture-7- key-benefits-2025 The larger operations have adopted the technology. Reading closely mapping doesn't seem common which offsets the other claimed advantages that depend on mapping. The USDA has promoted 'get big or get out' since the Johnson administration and the agricorps have taken it to heart. https://topostreets.com/top-10-largest-farms-in-the-united-states/ Considering 100,000 acres is 156 square miles a GPS might be helpful in finding your way home. I can't find a similar listing for Spain but one site says 50% of the farms are 5 hectares (12 acres) or less. Around here many subdivisions have zoning laws that require at least 10 acre lot sizes so many McMansions have a 10 acre lawn. An autonomous GPS guided lawnmower might be nice although most of those people have a lawn service.
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2026-11-06 23:20 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <EoicnR9AoNlgO3P3nZ2dnZfqnPudnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #95237 |
On 11/6/26 08:18, Carlos E. R. wrote: > On 2026-11-05 22:57, Charlie Gibbs wrote: >> On 2026-11-05, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote: >> >>> On 05/11/2026 19:18, Charlie Gibbs wrote: >>> >>>>> So instead of "unauthorized bread" it was "unauthorized coffee". >>>> >>>> John Deere has introduced the concept of "unauthorized tractor parts". >>> >>> And the smart farmers are now buying Klaas >> >> I recently heard about a startup in Alberta whose goal is >> to build "computer-free" tractors. >> >> Stuff that works >> Stuff that holds up >> The kind of stuff you don't hang on the wall >> Stuff that's real >> Stuff you feel >> The kind of stuff you reach for when you fall >> -- Guy Clark >> > > Sounds nice, except when a farmer needs to seed a farm with precise GPS > controlled lines and holes. Well, 'precise' SOUNDS good, but for FARMING you really don't need THAT much precision - why spend the extra $$$, put up with the extra tech complications ? "Reliable with almost no tech" has a useful place. If a dirt farmer I'd buy a Canuk 1965-tech tractor. China can't turn it off by remote control.
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| From | Rich <rich@example.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-11-05 22:53 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <11cj1dp$22805$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #95169 |
Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote: > On 2026-11-05, Rich <rich@example.invalid> wrote: > >> Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote: >> >>> For something more contemporary, check out Cory Doctorow's story >>> "Unauthorized Bread", where a toaster refuses to accept bread >>> from another bakery. >> >> That one is no longer a "story". Some years back, Keurig (the "pod" >> coffee maker company) released version 2 of their machines, with a DRM >> system to restrict the machine to only using "genuine Keurig pods". >> >> https://www.coffeedetective.com/my-keurig-says-my-kcups-arent-usable.html >> >> So instead of "unauthorized bread" it was "unauthorized coffee". > > John Deere has introduced the concept of "unauthorized tractor parts". As has Apple with their iphones and "parts pairing" so that only "approved" replacement screens or fingerprint readers could be used to repair iphones.
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2026-11-05 19:13 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <rRqdnbWg7qcghnD3nZ2dnZfqn_idnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #95202 |
On 11/5/26 17:53, Rich wrote: > Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote: >> On 2026-11-05, Rich <rich@example.invalid> wrote: >> >>> Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote: >>> >>>> For something more contemporary, check out Cory Doctorow's story >>>> "Unauthorized Bread", where a toaster refuses to accept bread >>>> from another bakery. >>> >>> That one is no longer a "story". Some years back, Keurig (the "pod" >>> coffee maker company) released version 2 of their machines, with a DRM >>> system to restrict the machine to only using "genuine Keurig pods". >>> >>> https://www.coffeedetective.com/my-keurig-says-my-kcups-arent-usable.html >>> >>> So instead of "unauthorized bread" it was "unauthorized coffee". >> >> John Deere has introduced the concept of "unauthorized tractor parts". > > As has Apple with their iphones and "parts pairing" so that only > "approved" replacement screens or fingerprint readers could be used to > repair iphones. Printer makers have been doing this for a LONG time so you HAD to use their expensive brand- name cartridges. Takes about a year before the coding is broken and clones will work.
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2026-09-26 03:51 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <fnmdnay3Yqbk5Cr3nZ2dnZfqnPednZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #92103 |
On 9/24/26 15:39, rbowman wrote: > On Thu, 24 Sep 2026 03:03:05 -0400, c186282 wrote: > >> Note, Neural Networks, even MORE like "brains" and will be far more >> compact/efficient than LLMs. >> The needed hardware is, or almost, HERE. > > I've been interested in NNs going back to the '80s when they were going to > be the next big thing. With today's processing power what was theoretical > in the '80s is usable. In my mind the Machine Learning subset of AI is > much more interesting than the LLM craze. DID have a huge tome on NNs. Most of the info eventually became obsolete - so it went in the trash when I retired. Back then, NNs were all "software defined" approaches. However what was always needed were HARDWARE solutions - quick and efficient. Emulating anything like neurons was a BIG problem for a LONG time. But, of late ... search recent articles. They finally seem to have it in hand. NNs do offer the possibility of bots with a lot of built-in IQ ... mostly using the Main Brain just for extended info ... kinda like Googling. > When an update bricks your Samsumg AI powered refrigerator and the beer is > getting warm you may not appreciate ML. I don't buy "smart" appliances - know better. Shit, I'll go to the 2nd-hand store to get a stupid fridge if necessary. > https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2026/09/owners-mourn-spoiled-food-after- > firmware-update-bricks-samsung-smart-fridges/ > > In Stanfill's first novel 'Terms of Service' the smart refrigerator did > all the ordering of food. If your social credit score slipped you ate a lot > of kale. You also had to be careful not to piss off the other AI powered > appliances. Horrible. You'd THINK something would be done. Apparently NOT. What's THAT say ? Oh well, 2nd/3rd-hand stores for 'poor people'. Old appliances were generally better made ... might last decades. DO remember going into a roadside store and saw a NORGE fridge - the kind with the coil on top - still doing its job.
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2026-09-24 03:52 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <Erucnba0hJ8_Syn3nZ2dnZfqn_udnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #92057 |
On 9/24/26 01:53, rbowman wrote: > On Thu, 24 Sep 2026 00:21:44 -0400, c186282 wrote: > >> And now, MANY reports of autonomous initiatives and even survival >> instincts. One hacked its own code to disable the shut-down sequence. >> Still willing to say these have not become "persons" ? > > https://craigwstanfill.com/ > > I enjoyed his previous two books and have started reading 'Carbon Zero'. Fanaticism. DON'T Go There ! Yea yea ... I've come to realize that you are tilted Deep Left. But, it's INSANE. Encourage circumspection - free from any fanaticism. Somewhere in there lies The Path. Almost NO pundits will be with you. They have AGENDAS. Look, ask, think ... you will NOT like those agendas or where they lead. Sanity is the most rare resource in our world.
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-09-24 19:43 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <nhlcr9F26unU8@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #92059 |
On Thu, 24 Sep 2026 03:52:01 -0400, c186282 wrote: > Yea yea ... I've come to realize that you are tilted Deep Left. As I've said before if you thing I'm titled left you are incredibly fucked up.
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-09-25 09:17 +0100 |
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On 24/09/2026 20:43, rbowman wrote: > On Thu, 24 Sep 2026 03:52:01 -0400, c186282 wrote: > >> Yea yea ... I've come to realize that you are tilted Deep Left. > > As I've said before if you thing I'm titled left... Lord Robert Bowman - that has a nice ring > you are incredibly fucked up. Well irrespective of anything... I would have said 'suspect to some Right propaganda, but very little Left' With plenty of healthy CynicismSauce™ spread over... Remember TDS is in fact a problem of MAGA people. No one else is as deranged on that subject -- All political activity makes complete sense once the proposition that all government is basically a self-legalising protection racket, is fully understood.
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-09-25 17:58 +0000 |
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On Fri, 25 Sep 2026 09:17:47 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > On 24/09/2026 20:43, rbowman wrote: >> On Thu, 24 Sep 2026 03:52:01 -0400, c186282 wrote: >> >>> Yea yea ... I've come to realize that you are tilted Deep Left. >> >> As I've said before if you thing I'm titled left... > > Lord Robert Bowman - that has a nice ring I come from a long line of cattle thieves and ne-er-do-wells who fled Europe with the bailiff on their heels, or at least the Protestants.
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-09-26 04:49 +0100 |
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On 25/09/2026 18:58, rbowman wrote: > On Fri, 25 Sep 2026 09:17:47 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > >> On 24/09/2026 20:43, rbowman wrote: >>> On Thu, 24 Sep 2026 03:52:01 -0400, c186282 wrote: >>> >>>> Yea yea ... I've come to realize that you are tilted Deep Left. >>> >>> As I've said before if you thing I'm titled left... >> >> Lord Robert Bowman - that has a nice ring > > I come from a long line of cattle thieves and ne-er-do-wells who fled > Europe with the bailiff on their heels, or at least the Protestants. > Well then ideal material for ennoblement Every Knight I have ever met turned out be a complete cunt. Who paid to get it by throwing millions at charities to disguise the fact that he was a conman, a kiddy fiddler or a serial sex offender Sir Clive Sinclair Sir Richard Branson Sir Jimmy Savile Rolf Harris CBE I could go on, but I had better stop there -- Labour - a bunch of rich people convincing poor people to vote for rich people by telling poor people that "other" rich people are the reason they are poor. Peter Thompson
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2026-09-26 04:15 -0400 |
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| In reply to | #92176 |
On 9/25/26 23:49, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > On 25/09/2026 18:58, rbowman wrote: >> On Fri, 25 Sep 2026 09:17:47 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >> >>> On 24/09/2026 20:43, rbowman wrote: >>>> On Thu, 24 Sep 2026 03:52:01 -0400, c186282 wrote: >>>> >>>>> Yea yea ... I've come to realize that you are tilted Deep Left. >>>> >>>> As I've said before if you thing I'm titled left... >>> >>> Lord Robert Bowman - that has a nice ring >> >> I come from a long line of cattle thieves and ne-er-do-wells who fled >> Europe with the bailiff on their heels, or at least the Protestants. >> > Well then ideal material for ennoblement That's how it's always worked :-) > Every Knight I have ever met turned out be a complete cunt. Who paid to > get it by throwing millions at charities to disguise the fact that he > was a conman, a kiddy fiddler or a serial sex offender > > Sir Clive Sinclair > Sir Richard Branson > Sir Jimmy Savile > Rolf Harris CBE > > I could go on, but I had better stop there Many self-defined "knights" are just narcissistic egomaniacs. Doesn't mean they aren't smart - just generally unbearable.
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-09-26 09:51 +0100 |
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| In reply to | #92195 |
On 26/09/2026 09:15, c186282 wrote: > On 9/25/26 23:49, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >> On 25/09/2026 18:58, rbowman wrote: >>> On Fri, 25 Sep 2026 09:17:47 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >>> >>>> On 24/09/2026 20:43, rbowman wrote: >>>>> On Thu, 24 Sep 2026 03:52:01 -0400, c186282 wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Yea yea ... I've come to realize that you are tilted Deep Left. >>>>> >>>>> As I've said before if you thing I'm titled left... >>>> >>>> Lord Robert Bowman - that has a nice ring >>> >>> I come from a long line of cattle thieves and ne-er-do-wells who fled >>> Europe with the bailiff on their heels, or at least the Protestants. >>> >> Well then ideal material for ennoblement > > That's how it's always worked :-) > >> Every Knight I have ever met turned out be a complete cunt. Who paid >> to get it by throwing millions at charities to disguise the fact that >> he was a conman, a kiddy fiddler or a serial sex offender >> >> Sir Clive Sinclair >> Sir Richard Branson >> Sir Jimmy Savile >> Rolf Harris CBE >> >> I could go on, but I had better stop there > > Many self-defined "knights" are just > narcissistic egomaniacs. > > Doesn't mean they aren't smart - just > generally unbearable. > I looked up a few more who were stripped of their knighthoods or other awards They guy who broke the bank of Scotland - Fred 'the shred' Goodwin Robert Mugabe Ceausescu. The day before he was shot Mussolini Sir Anthony Blunt: the Russian spy Prince Andrew I am surprised they haven't given a knighthood to Trump. Maybe he didn't pay the government enough -- In a Time of Universal Deceit, Telling the Truth Is a Revolutionary Act. - George Orwell
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2026-09-26 04:03 -0400 |
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On 9/25/26 04:17, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > On 24/09/2026 20:43, rbowman wrote: >> On Thu, 24 Sep 2026 03:52:01 -0400, c186282 wrote: >> >>> Yea yea ... I've come to realize that you are tilted Deep Left. >> >> As I've said before if you thing I'm titled left... > > Lord Robert Bowman - that has a nice ring > >> you are incredibly fucked up. > > Well irrespective of anything... > I would have said 'suspect to some Right propaganda, but very little Left' > > With plenty of healthy CynicismSauce™ spread over... > > Remember TDS is in fact a problem of MAGA people. > > No one else is as deranged on that subject "TDS" is an invented far-LEFT issue. They couldn't compete, so they turned Trump into a 'devil' and launched a holy war.
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-09-26 09:42 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <11980h6$aj7i$3@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #92193 |
On 26/09/2026 09:03, c186282 wrote: > On 9/25/26 04:17, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >> On 24/09/2026 20:43, rbowman wrote: >>> On Thu, 24 Sep 2026 03:52:01 -0400, c186282 wrote: >>> >>>> Yea yea ... I've come to realize that you are tilted Deep Left. >>> >>> As I've said before if you thing I'm titled left... >> >> Lord Robert Bowman - that has a nice ring >> >>> you are incredibly fucked up. >> >> Well irrespective of anything... >> I would have said 'suspect to some Right propaganda, but very little >> Left' >> >> With plenty of healthy CynicismSauce™ spread over... >> >> Remember TDS is in fact a problem of MAGA people. >> >> No one else is as deranged on that subject > > "TDS" is an invented far-LEFT issue. They > couldn't compete, so they turned Trump > into a 'devil' and launched a holy war. > No. it was an invention of MAGA supporters to disclaim immediately any criticism of Their Saviour And in using the term to describe others, they self defined themselves as suffering from it. Exactly like 'climate deniers': people who can't bring any rational arguments to the table so simply hurl abuse to shut down dissent Orr 'racists' when used by shouty black people to avoid taking any responsibility for their own situation, thereby demonstrating their own racism Use of these tactics is a sure sign that their users have run out of rational arguments -- “It is hard to imagine a more stupid decision or more dangerous way of making decisions than by putting those decisions in the hands of people who pay no price for being wrong.” Thomas Sowell
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