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| Started by | Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> |
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| First post | 2026-10-16 03:26 +0000 |
| Last post | 2026-10-18 10:59 +0000 |
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Re: Back To CS Basics. Fuck AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-17 04:04 +0000
Re: Back To CS Basics. Fuck AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-17 09:24 +0100
Re: Back To CS Basics. Fuck AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-16 19:27 +0000
Re: Back To CS Basics. Fuck AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-16 22:20 +0100
Re: Back To CS Basics. Fuck AI Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-17 01:13 +0100
Re: Back To CS Basics. Fuck AI Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-17 02:32 +0000
Re: Back To CS Basics. Fuck AI Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-17 18:33 +0000
Re: Back To CS Basics. Fuck AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-18 03:04 +0000
Re: Back To CS Basics. Fuck AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-18 11:41 +0100
Re: Back To CS Basics. Fuck AI John Bokma <contact@johnbokma.com> - 2026-10-18 12:45 +0200
Re: Back To CS Basics. Fuck AI Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-19 16:05 +0100
Re: Back To CS Basics. Fuck AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-19 17:25 +0100
Re: Back To CS Basics. Fuck AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-19 20:19 +0000
Re: Back To CS Basics. Fuck AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-16 19:24 +0000
Re: Back To CS Basics. Fuck AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-16 22:16 +0100
Re: Back To CS Basics. Fuck AI "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-17 22:53 +0200
Re: Back To CS Basics. Fuck AI Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-16 06:02 +0000
Re: Back To CS Basics. Fuck AI "Peyton" <peyton@solacium.us> - 2026-10-15 23:26 -0700
Re: Back To CS Basics. Fuck AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-16 06:42 +0000
Re: Back To CS Basics. Fuck AI Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-16 07:41 +0000
Re: Back To CS Basics. Fuck AI Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> - 2026-10-16 06:39 +0000
Re: Back To CS Basics. Fuck AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-16 04:22 -0400
Re: Back To CS Basics. Fuck AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-16 10:54 +0100
Re: Back To CS Basics. Fuck AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-16 09:19 +0100
Re: Back To CS Basics. Fuck AI Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2026-10-17 08:40 +0000
Re: Back To CS Basics. Fuck AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-17 09:52 +0100
Re: Back To CS Basics. Fuck AI Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-17 20:47 +0000
Re: Back To CS Basics. Fuck AI Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-10-17 23:29 +0200
Re: Back To CS Basics. Fuck AI Anton Antimo <anton@safunu.org> - 2026-10-19 17:18 -0300
Re: Back To CS Basics. Fuck AI Helmut Waitzmann <nn.throttle@erine.email> - 2026-10-21 00:54 +0200
Re: Back To CS Basics. Fuck AI Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-10-23 18:50 +0200
Re: Back To CS Basics. Fuck AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-23 23:59 -0400
Re: Back To CS Basics. Fuck AI Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-10-24 11:53 +0200
Taking Speedy too seriously (Was: Back To CS Basics. Fuck AI) gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2026-10-24 12:10 +0000
Re: Taking Speedy too seriously (Was: Back To CS Basics. Fuck AI) Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-10-24 18:53 +0200
Re: Taking Speedy too seriously (Was: Back To CS Basics. Fuck AI) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-26 00:28 -0400
Re: Taking Speedy too seriously (Was: Back To CS Basics. Fuck AI) Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-10-26 06:20 +0100
Re: Taking Speedy too seriously (Was: Back To CS Basics. Fuck AI) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-26 03:38 -0400
Re: Taking Speedy too seriously (Was: Back To CS Basics. Fuck AI) Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-10-27 05:01 +0100
Re: Taking Speedy too seriously (Was: Back To CS Basics. Fuck AI) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-27 12:24 -0400
[OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-10-28 01:12 +0100
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-28 05:26 -0400
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-28 19:33 +0000
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-29 00:19 +0000
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-10-29 12:27 -0400
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-30 03:40 -0400
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-30 19:24 +0000
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-30 23:10 +0000
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-31 04:14 +0000
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-31 11:40 +0100
Internal navigation in the online manual (was: Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously)) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-31 10:49 +0000
Re: Internal navigation in the online manual (was: Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously)) Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2026-10-31 13:11 +0000
Re: Internal navigation in the online manual "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-31 19:53 +0100
Re: Internal navigation in the online manual "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-31 19:56 +0100
Re: Internal navigation in the online manual Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-31 22:41 +0000
Re: Internal navigation in the online manual "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-11-01 12:31 +0100
Re: Internal navigation in the online manual Christian Weisgerber <naddy@mips.inka.de> - 2026-11-01 20:50 +0000
Re: Internal navigation in the online manual (was: Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously)) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-11-01 19:40 +0000
Re: Internal navigation in the online manual "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-11-02 23:27 +0100
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> - 2026-10-31 14:11 +0000
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-10-31 16:57 +0100
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-31 19:56 +0100
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-10-31 22:11 +0100
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-11-01 04:18 -0500
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-11-01 17:22 +0100
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-11-01 12:59 +0100
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-11-01 17:50 +0100
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) FF <fflud@linux.rocks> - 2026-11-01 18:09 +0000
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-11-02 23:32 +0100
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-11-03 00:26 +0100
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-11-03 02:57 +0100
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-11-03 02:17 +0000
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-11-03 02:49 +0000
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-11-02 22:22 -0500
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-11-03 12:24 +0100
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-11-03 04:49 +0000
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-11-03 12:28 +0100
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-11-03 08:36 +0000
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-11-01 22:29 +0000
Internal navigation in the online manual (was: Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously)) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-11-01 01:08 +0000
Re: Internal navigation in the online manual "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-11-01 13:03 +0100
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Andreas Eder <a_eder_muc@web.de> - 2026-11-01 10:58 +0100
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-11-01 22:27 +0000
Re: man pages (was Re: [OT] Punch card times) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-31 21:57 +0000
Re: man pages (was Re: [OT] Punch card times) "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-11-01 13:07 +0100
Re: man pages (was Re: [OT] Punch card times) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-11-01 22:32 +0000
Re: man pages (was Re: [OT] Punch card times) "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-11-02 23:35 +0100
Re: man pages (was Re: [OT] Punch card times) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-11-02 23:22 +0000
Re: man pages (was Re: [OT] Punch card times) "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-11-03 03:02 +0100
Re: man pages (was Re: [OT] Punch card times) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-11-03 02:50 +0000
Re: man pages (was Re: [OT] Punch card times) "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-11-03 12:28 +0100
Re: man pages (was Re: [OT] Punch card times) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-11-03 22:14 +0000
Re: man pages (was Re: [OT] Punch card times) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-11-02 21:18 -0500
Re: man pages (was Re: [OT] Punch card times) Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-11-03 08:40 +0000
Re: man pages (was Re: [OT] Punch card times) "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-11-03 12:31 +0100
Re: man pages (was Re: [OT] Punch card times) Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-11-03 18:32 +0000
Re: man pages (was Re: [OT] Punch card times) "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-11-03 19:51 +0100
Re: man pages (was Re: [OT] Punch card times) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-11-01 19:40 +0000
Re: man pages (was Re: [OT] Punch card times) Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-11-01 16:49 -0800
Re: man pages (was Re: [OT] Punch card times) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-11-02 11:31 +0000
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Josef Möllers <josef@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-28 17:01 +0100
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-10-28 17:50 +0100
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-28 18:18 +0000
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) David LaRue <huey.dll@tampabay.rr.com> - 2026-10-28 23:28 +0000
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-29 00:11 +0000
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-29 00:46 +0000
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-28 22:36 -0400
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-10-29 09:13 -0700
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-29 18:13 +0000
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-30 04:00 -0400
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Christian Weisgerber <naddy@mips.inka.de> - 2026-10-29 17:37 +0000
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Kaz Kylheku <046-301-5902@kylheku.com> - 2026-10-29 20:01 +0000
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-29 21:18 +0100
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Christian Weisgerber <naddy@mips.inka.de> - 2026-10-29 21:40 +0000
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-29 23:58 +0000
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Christian Weisgerber <naddy@mips.inka.de> - 2026-10-30 15:14 +0000
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-30 00:09 +0000
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-30 04:33 +0000
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-30 11:10 +0000
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-30 17:52 +0000
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2026-10-30 17:14 +0000
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-30 19:25 +0000
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> - 2026-10-30 18:26 +0000
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-30 19:25 +0000
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> - 2026-10-30 20:12 +0000
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) jayjwa <jayjwa@atr2.ath.cx.invalid> - 2026-10-31 11:07 -0400
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-31 21:38 +0000
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-11-01 04:30 -0500
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-11-01 10:16 +0000
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-11-01 19:13 +0000
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-11-02 09:35 -0800
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-11-02 20:27 +0000
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-11-02 13:50 -0800
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-11-02 20:42 -0500
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-11-03 02:42 +0000
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-11-03 16:38 +0800
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-11-03 08:40 +0000
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-11-03 07:29 -0700
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-11-04 02:02 +0800
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-11-03 19:45 +0100
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-11-01 18:17 -0500
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-11-01 16:45 -0800
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-11-01 21:00 -0500
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-11-02 02:16 +0000
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-11-02 04:48 +0000
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-11-02 14:13 +0800
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-11-02 06:47 +0000
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-11-02 20:02 +0800
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-11-02 19:48 +0000
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Kaz Kylheku <046-301-5902@kylheku.com> - 2026-11-03 23:57 +0000
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-11-03 22:48 -0500
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-11-04 11:21 +0000
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-11-02 16:51 +0000
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-11-02 20:10 +0000
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2026-11-02 17:10 +0000
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-11-02 20:25 -0500
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-11-02 03:56 -0500
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-11-02 20:03 +0800
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-11-02 13:51 +0000
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-11-02 19:56 +0000
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-11-03 16:42 +0800
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-11-03 19:40 +0000
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-11-02 01:28 -0500
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-11-02 09:41 +0100
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-11-02 11:22 +0000
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-11-02 20:11 +0800
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-11-02 13:57 +0000
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-11-03 00:20 +0100
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-11-03 12:45 +0100
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2026-11-03 11:49 +0000
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-11-03 13:02 +0100
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) David Wade <g4ugm@dave.invalid> - 2026-11-03 13:26 +0000
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-11-03 07:35 -0700
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-11-03 18:06 +0100
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-11-03 21:52 +0000
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-11-03 21:51 +0000
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-11-03 14:29 +0000
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-11-03 14:28 +0000
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2026-11-03 22:15 +0000
Re: [OT] Mainframes, Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-11-03 22:47 +0000
Re: [OT] Mainframes, Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2026-11-03 23:18 +0000
Re: [OT] Mainframes, Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-11-04 03:12 +0000
Re: [OT] Mainframes, Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2026-11-04 08:26 +0000
Re: [OT] Mainframes, Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-11-03 22:30 -0500
Re: [OT] Mainframes, Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-11-04 03:57 +0000
Re: [OT] Mainframes, Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-11-04 16:57 +0800
Re: [OT] Mainframes, Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-11-04 10:43 +0100
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-11-03 20:29 +0000
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-11-04 03:23 +0100
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-11-04 10:53 +0100
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-11-04 11:25 +0000
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-11-03 00:08 +0100
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-11-02 21:12 -0500
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-11-03 15:13 +0000
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-11-03 20:27 +0000
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-11-03 21:37 +0000
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-11-03 23:01 +0100
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-11-03 22:18 +0000
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-11-04 11:09 +0000
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) David Wade <g4ugm@dave.invalid> - 2026-11-03 22:51 +0000
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-11-03 23:02 +0000
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-11-03 22:54 -0500
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-11-03 23:02 +0000
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-11-03 22:58 -0500
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-11-04 11:08 +0000
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-11-03 02:42 +0000
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-11-03 02:49 +0000
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-11-03 02:53 +0000
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-11-03 04:44 +0000
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-11-03 07:15 +0000
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-11-03 20:27 +0000
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-11-03 23:41 +0000
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-11-04 10:58 +0100
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-11-04 11:19 +0000
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) David Wade <g4ugm@dave.invalid> - 2026-11-03 09:28 +0000
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-11-03 20:25 +0000
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) David Wade <g4ugm@dave.invalid> - 2026-11-03 20:53 +0000
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-11-03 21:57 +0000
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) David Wade <g4ugm@dave.invalid> - 2026-11-03 22:44 +0000
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-11-03 23:05 +0000
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-11-04 11:27 +0100
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-11-04 02:42 +0100
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-11-03 21:35 +0000
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-11-04 07:32 -0700
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-11-02 22:53 -0500
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-11-03 07:15 +0000
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-11-03 19:28 +0000
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-11-03 23:07 +0000
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-11-03 23:41 +0000
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-11-03 22:01 +0000
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-11-03 23:41 +0000
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-11-04 01:13 +0000
Re: [OT] scientific mainframes, Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-11-04 03:04 +0000
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-11-03 12:50 +0100
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-11-03 14:31 +0000
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please> - 2026-11-03 19:16 +0100
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-11-03 07:31 -0700
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-11-04 02:13 +0800
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2026-11-03 05:28 -0800
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-11-03 22:00 +0000
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2026-11-04 05:10 +0000
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-11-04 00:28 -0500
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-11-04 11:34 +0000
Re: [OT] what's a mini, Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-11-03 23:04 +0000
Re: [OT] what's a mini, Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-11-03 23:05 -0500
Re: [OT] what's a mini, Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-11-04 04:15 +0000
Re: [OT] what's a mini, Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-11-04 00:14 -0500
Re: [OT] what's a mini, Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-11-04 06:21 +0000
Re: [OT] what's a mini, Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-11-04 07:10 +0000
Re: [OT] what's a mini, Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-11-04 07:00 -0500
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-11-03 15:18 +0000
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-11-04 02:59 +0100
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-11-02 22:29 -0500
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-11-04 03:16 +0100
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-11-03 22:23 -0500
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-11-02 16:51 +0000
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-11-02 11:13 +0000
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-11-02 19:41 +0000
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-11-02 17:01 +0000
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-11-03 12:36 +0100
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-11-03 07:10 +0000
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-11-03 20:35 +0000
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-11-03 21:11 +0000
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-11-02 10:52 +0000
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-11-02 15:35 +0000
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-11-02 10:47 +0000
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-11-02 20:16 +0800
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-11-02 13:58 +0000
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-31 11:49 +0100
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-10-31 16:42 +0100
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-31 20:08 +0100
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-10-31 21:20 +0100
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-11-01 12:19 +0100
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-31 18:42 +0000
Re: [OT] Punch card times "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-31 11:57 +0100
Re: [OT] Punch card times rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-31 18:53 +0000
Re: [OT] Punch card times Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-31 21:48 +0000
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-29 23:48 +0000
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-30 04:27 -0400
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-30 03:58 -0400
Re: Taking Speedy too seriously (Was: Back To CS Basics. Fuck AI) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-26 00:57 -0400
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Re: Back To CS Basics. Fuck AI Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-17 02:28 +0000
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| From | Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2026-11-03 07:15 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) |
| Message-ID | <YRfGS.60036$Zy1.6984@fx05.iad> |
| In reply to | #94989 |
On 2026-11-03, Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: > On Tue, 03 Nov 2026 02:53:45 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > >> Yes, there is a dichotomy there. Mainframe protocols were designed >> for sending files across a continent, while mini protocols were >> designed for sending characters across the room. Compromises were >> made on both sides. > > That’s not the dichotomy. The dichotomy was that mainframes were > optimized for throughput at the expense of latency, while > minicomputers concentrated on minimizing latency to maximize > interactive responsiveness at the expense of throughput. Pick your metaphor. In the end the trade-offs are the same. -- /~\ Charlie Gibbs | In this world there are \ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | two kinds of people: X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | 1. Those who can extrapolate / \ if you read it the right way. | from incomplete data.
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| From | Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-11-03 20:27 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) |
| Message-ID | <11cdg4e$46jl$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #94992 |
On Tue, 03 Nov 2026 07:15:04 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > On 2026-11-03, Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: > >> On Tue, 03 Nov 2026 02:53:45 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote: >> >>> Yes, there is a dichotomy there. Mainframe protocols were designed >>> for sending files across a continent, while mini protocols were >>> designed for sending characters across the room. Compromises were >>> made on both sides. >> >> That’s not the dichotomy. The dichotomy was that mainframes were >> optimized for throughput at the expense of latency, while >> minicomputers concentrated on minimizing latency to maximize >> interactive responsiveness at the expense of throughput. > > Pick your metaphor. In the end the trade-offs are the same. Nothing “metaphorical” about it. Sending data across a continent in real-time became commonplace with the coming of ARPAnet. But those mainframes couldn’t actually connect directly, could they? They had to go through one of those “IMP” boxes from BBN. And those were built around ... minicomputers.
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| From | Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-11-03 23:41 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) |
| Message-ID | <4juGS.78284$y_V1.5930@fx12.iad> |
| In reply to | #95032 |
On 2026-11-03, Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: > On Tue, 03 Nov 2026 07:15:04 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > >> On 2026-11-03, Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: >> >>> On Tue, 03 Nov 2026 02:53:45 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote: >>> >>>> Yes, there is a dichotomy there. Mainframe protocols were designed >>>> for sending files across a continent, while mini protocols were >>>> designed for sending characters across the room. Compromises were >>>> made on both sides. >>> >>> That’s not the dichotomy. The dichotomy was that mainframes were >>> optimized for throughput at the expense of latency, while >>> minicomputers concentrated on minimizing latency to maximize >>> interactive responsiveness at the expense of throughput. >> >> Pick your metaphor. In the end the trade-offs are the same. > > Nothing “metaphorical” about it. Sending data across a continent in > real-time became commonplace with the coming of ARPAnet. But those > mainframes couldn’t actually connect directly, could they? They had to > go through one of those “IMP” boxes from BBN. And those were built > around ... minicomputers. That's not the only way to get data across the continent. In the late '70s our mainframe in Vancouver was driving block-mode multidropped terminals in Toronto through a leased line at a blazing 2400 bps. From a software standpoint they looked just like our local terminals, except that the wires were much longer and the speed slower. (Our local terminals ran at 9600 bps.) In those days modems cost about a dollar per bps - that's right, $2500 for a Bell 202-style modem running synchronously at 2400 bps. You could get 9600-bps modems, but they were ten grand a pop. And the leased line wasn't cheap either. As ever, we balanced price against performance. -- /~\ Charlie Gibbs | In this world there are \ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | two kinds of people: X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | 1. Those who can extrapolate / \ if you read it the right way. | from incomplete data.
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| From | "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2026-11-04 10:58 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) |
| Message-ID | <nl0duhFn18lU2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #95058 |
On 2026-11-04 00:41, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
> On 2026-11-03, Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 03 Nov 2026 07:15:04 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>>
>>> On 2026-11-03, Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Tue, 03 Nov 2026 02:53:45 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Yes, there is a dichotomy there. Mainframe protocols were designed
>>>>> for sending files across a continent, while mini protocols were
>>>>> designed for sending characters across the room. Compromises were
>>>>> made on both sides.
>>>>
>>>> That’s not the dichotomy. The dichotomy was that mainframes were
>>>> optimized for throughput at the expense of latency, while
>>>> minicomputers concentrated on minimizing latency to maximize
>>>> interactive responsiveness at the expense of throughput.
>>>
>>> Pick your metaphor. In the end the trade-offs are the same.
>>
>> Nothing “metaphorical” about it. Sending data across a continent in
>> real-time became commonplace with the coming of ARPAnet. But those
>> mainframes couldn’t actually connect directly, could they? They had to
>> go through one of those “IMP” boxes from BBN. And those were built
>> around ... minicomputers.
>
> That's not the only way to get data across the continent. In
> the late '70s our mainframe in Vancouver was driving block-mode
> multidropped terminals in Toronto through a leased line at a
> blazing 2400 bps. From a software standpoint they looked just
> like our local terminals, except that the wires were much longer
> and the speed slower. (Our local terminals ran at 9600 bps.)
> In those days modems cost about a dollar per bps - that's right,
> $2500 for a Bell 202-style modem running synchronously at 2400 bps.
> You could get 9600-bps modems, but they were ten grand a pop.
> And the leased line wasn't cheap either. As ever, we balanced
> price against performance.
>
And we were told that 9600 was the limit, the theory said so. I think it
was 9600.
--
Cheers,
Carlos E.R.
ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺.
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-11-04 11:19 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) |
| Message-ID | <11cf4c6$k0n0$3@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #95090 |
On 04/11/2026 09:58, Carlos E. R. wrote: >> You could get 9600-bps modems, but they were ten grand a pop. >> And the leased line wasn't cheap either. As ever, we balanced >> price against performance. >> > > And we were told that 9600 was the limit, the theory said so. I think it > was 9600. for one type of technology, it was... -- "I guess a rattlesnake ain't risponsible fer bein' a rattlesnake, but ah puts mah heel on um jess the same if'n I catches him around mah chillun".
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| From | David Wade <g4ugm@dave.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-11-03 09:28 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) |
| Message-ID | <11cc9ge$3jfbq$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #94989 |
On 03/11/2026 04:44, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: > On Tue, 03 Nov 2026 02:53:45 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > >> Yes, there is a dichotomy there. Mainframe protocols were designed >> for sending files across a continent, while mini protocols were >> designed for sending characters across the room. Compromises were >> made on both sides. > > That’s not the dichotomy. The dichotomy was that mainframes were > optimized for throughput at the expense of latency, while > minicomputers concentrated on minimizing latency to maximize > interactive responsiveness at the expense of throughput. I think you misunderstand "mainframes" or at least IBM Mainframes. The Mainframe never "saw" keystrokes, they were handled in the terminal controller so there never was any possibility of the dreaded "type-behind" one saw on an over-loaded VAX. Because the Mainframe only sees blocks of typing there are fewer interrupts and less paging so interactive response is generally as good as or better than a mini. A good friend rolled out "Office Automation" across a large business. For the most senior there was All-In-One but he said that just could not be scaled across the enterprise, so they got IBM PROFS or Office Vision. Not quite a functional as All-In-One but good response times. Dave
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| From | Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2026-11-03 20:25 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) |
| Message-ID | <11cdg08$46jl$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #94999 |
On Tue, 3 Nov 2026 09:28:46 +0000, David Wade wrote: > I think you misunderstand "mainframes" or at least IBM Mainframes. > The Mainframe never "saw" keystrokes, they were handled in the > terminal controller so there never was any possibility of the > dreaded "type-behind" one saw on an over-loaded VAX. That’s part of what contributed to mainframes having less support for interactive operation compared to minis. > Because the Mainframe only sees blocks of typing there are fewer > interrupts and less paging so interactive response is generally as > good as or better than a mini. That’s only if you assume “block mode” operation. Typical mainframe thinking: more efficient use of the computer, less efficient for the human user. Imagine trying to run a full-screen editor that way: it just wouldn’t work. The app really needed to be able to respond to every keystroke in order to maintain the necessary level of interactive response. Minis (and later superminis, like the VAX) had it all over mainframes in that regard.
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| From | David Wade <g4ugm@dave.invalid> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2026-11-03 20:53 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) |
| Message-ID | <11cdhk9$4hqr$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #95030 |
On 03/11/2026 20:25, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: > On Tue, 3 Nov 2026 09:28:46 +0000, David Wade wrote: > >> I think you misunderstand "mainframes" or at least IBM Mainframes. >> The Mainframe never "saw" keystrokes, they were handled in the >> terminal controller so there never was any possibility of the >> dreaded "type-behind" one saw on an over-loaded VAX. > > That’s part of what contributed to mainframes having less support > for interactive operation compared to minis. > >> Because the Mainframe only sees blocks of typing there are fewer >> interrupts and less paging so interactive response is generally as >> good as or better than a mini. > > That’s only if you assume “block mode” operation. Typical mainframe > thinking: more efficient use of the computer, less efficient for the > human user. > > Imagine trying to run a full-screen editor that way: it just wouldn’t > work. The app really needed to be able to respond to every keystroke > in order to maintain the necessary level of interactive response. > Minis (and later superminis, like the VAX) had it all over mainframes > in that regard. Why? I don't need to imagine, I did it all the time. Its not a problem. The editor generates a screen full of data. The controller handles most of the character editing so you change the local buffer which does see every key stroke. At some point you send the modified screen back to the host. Personally I prefer the XEDIT the VM/CMS editor to the VMS one, but then I am more familiar with it. Dave
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| From | Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-11-03 21:57 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) |
| Message-ID | <11cdlc2$64vt$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #95035 |
On Tue, 3 Nov 2026 20:53:29 +0000, David Wade wrote: > On 03/11/2026 20:25, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: >> >> Imagine trying to run a full-screen editor that way: it just >> wouldn’t work. The app really needed to be able to respond to every >> keystroke in order to maintain the necessary level of interactive >> response. Minis (and later superminis, like the VAX) had it all >> over mainframes in that regard. > > Why? I don't need to imagine, I did it all the time. Its not a > problem. The editor generates a screen full of data. The controller > handles most of the character editing so you change the local buffer > which does see every key stroke. At some point you send the modified > screen back to the host. > > Personally I prefer the XEDIT the VM/CMS editor to the VMS one, but > then I am more familiar with it. Neither one had an incremental-search function like the one in Emacs though, did they? That updates the display in real-time, after every keystroke, highlighting all the visible matches for the string as you’ve typed it so far. Try doing that on a block-mode terminal. Now try doing it with a regular-expression search ...
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| From | David Wade <g4ugm@dave.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-11-03 22:44 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) |
| Message-ID | <11cdo3q$4hqr$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #95041 |
On 03/11/2026 21:57, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: > On Tue, 3 Nov 2026 20:53:29 +0000, David Wade wrote: > >> On 03/11/2026 20:25, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: >>> >>> Imagine trying to run a full-screen editor that way: it just >>> wouldn’t work. The app really needed to be able to respond to every >>> keystroke in order to maintain the necessary level of interactive >>> response. Minis (and later superminis, like the VAX) had it all >>> over mainframes in that regard. >> >> Why? I don't need to imagine, I did it all the time. Its not a >> problem. The editor generates a screen full of data. The controller >> handles most of the character editing so you change the local buffer >> which does see every key stroke. At some point you send the modified >> screen back to the host. >> >> Personally I prefer the XEDIT the VM/CMS editor to the VMS one, but >> then I am more familiar with it. > > Neither one had an incremental-search function like the one in Emacs > though, did they? That updates the display in real-time, after every > keystroke, highlighting all the visible matches for the string as > you’ve typed it so far. > no, but how often do you use that? > Try doing that on a block-mode terminal. > Its a bit slower but the XEDIT "all" command shows all lines with a string. The command remains in the command line so you can quickly refine your search... > Now try doing it with a regular-expression search ... Now that is real geekdom... Dave
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| From | Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-11-03 23:05 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) |
| Message-ID | <11cdpcc$7e97$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #95048 |
On Tue, 3 Nov 2026 22:44:10 +0000, David Wade wrote: > On 03/11/2026 21:57, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: >> >> Neither one had an incremental-search function like the one in >> Emacs though, did they? That updates the display in real-time, >> after every keystroke, highlighting all the visible matches for the >> string as you’ve typed it so far. >> > no, but how often do you use that? Every day. >> Now try doing it with a regular-expression search ... > > Now that is real geekdom... Really basic thing: searching for an identifier in its entirety, not just matching part of an identifier. E.g. I use “i” quite commonly as a loop index. How to search for that without matching all the names with the letter “i” in the middle of them? Simple: use the regexp “\bi\b”.
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| From | "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-11-04 11:27 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) |
| Message-ID | <nl0fjoFn18lU3@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #95054 |
On 2026-11-04 00:05, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
> On Tue, 3 Nov 2026 22:44:10 +0000, David Wade wrote:
>
>> On 03/11/2026 21:57, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
>>>
>>> Neither one had an incremental-search function like the one in
>>> Emacs though, did they? That updates the display in real-time,
>>> after every keystroke, highlighting all the visible matches for the
>>> string as you’ve typed it so far.
>>>
>> no, but how often do you use that?
>
> Every day.
I'm told that most people do not work directly on a terminal on the
mainframe. There is not an OS proper...
--
Cheers,
Carlos E.R.
ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺.
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| From | Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> |
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| Date | 2026-11-04 02:42 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) |
| Message-ID | <11ce2j0$85p3$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #95035 |
On 2026-11-03 21:53, David Wade wrote: > On 03/11/2026 20:25, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: >> On Tue, 3 Nov 2026 09:28:46 +0000, David Wade wrote: >> >>> I think you misunderstand "mainframes" or at least IBM Mainframes. >>> The Mainframe never "saw" keystrokes, they were handled in the >>> terminal controller so there never was any possibility of the >>> dreaded "type-behind" one saw on an over-loaded VAX. >> >> That’s part of what contributed to mainframes having less support >> for interactive operation compared to minis. >> >>> Because the Mainframe only sees blocks of typing there are fewer >>> interrupts and less paging so interactive response is generally as >>> good as or better than a mini. >> >> That’s only if you assume “block mode” operation. Typical mainframe >> thinking: more efficient use of the computer, less efficient for the >> human user. >> >> Imagine trying to run a full-screen editor that way: it just wouldn’t >> work. The app really needed to be able to respond to every keystroke >> in order to maintain the necessary level of interactive response. >> Minis (and later superminis, like the VAX) had it all over mainframes >> in that regard. > > Why? I don't need to imagine, I did it all the time. Its not a problem. > The editor generates a screen full of data. > The controller handles most of the character editing so you change the > local buffer which does see every key stroke. > At some point you send the modified screen back to the host. > > Personally I prefer the XEDIT the VM/CMS editor to the VMS one, but then > I am more familiar with it. I recall I've used (on a Siemens mainframe) XEDIT on IBM's VM/CMS, but all I remember (no details) is that I liked it back these days. On the same mainframe we could also run under the VM a UTS (a Unix from Amdahl) which (of course) came with Vi as a full-screen visual editor. So I cannot see why one would think that full-screen editors would somehow not be possible. For the editing on the terminal there wasn't an allocation of the mainframe CPU(s) necessary, it was basically all handled by the peripheral devices of the mainframe architecture, IIRC. Janis
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| From | scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) |
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| Date | 2026-11-03 21:35 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) |
| Message-ID | <SssGS.39242$p_X5.13259@fx39.iad> |
| In reply to | #95030 |
Lawrence =?iso-8859-13?q?D=FFOliveiro?= <ldo@nz.invalid> writes: >On Tue, 3 Nov 2026 09:28:46 +0000, David Wade wrote: > >> I think you misunderstand "mainframes" or at least IBM Mainframes. >> The Mainframe never "saw" keystrokes, they were handled in the >> terminal controller so there never was any possibility of the >> dreaded "type-behind" one saw on an over-loaded VAX. > >That’s part of what contributed to mainframes having less support >for interactive operation compared to minis. > >> Because the Mainframe only sees blocks of typing there are fewer >> interrupts and less paging so interactive response is generally as >> good as or better than a mini. > >That’s only if you assume “block mode” operation. Typical mainframe >thinking: more efficient use of the computer, less efficient for the >human user. Did you ever use one? They were far more efficient for the human user, such as a bank teller or at the airport checkin desk. Even for a human programmer, they supplied full-screen editing long before vi was even a gleam in Bill Joy's eye. Really, just a precursor of the way that the current WWW works. > >Imagine trying to run a full-screen editor that way: it just wouldn’t >work. Don't need to imagine it. Burroughs full-screen editor worked just fine (albeit a page at a time). >The app really needed to be able to respond to every keystroke >in order to maintain the necessary level of interactive response. No, the terminal handles that internally. You update the full 80x24 screen in place, then transmit the entire page. Burroughs terminals even supported multiple pages. DAGS CANDE.
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| From | Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> |
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| Date | 2026-11-04 07:32 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) |
| Message-ID | <11cffmn$olv5$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #95030 |
On 11/3/26 13:25, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: > On Tue, 3 Nov 2026 09:28:46 +0000, David Wade wrote: > >> I think you misunderstand "mainframes" or at least IBM Mainframes. >> The Mainframe never "saw" keystrokes, they were handled in the >> terminal controller so there never was any possibility of the >> dreaded "type-behind" one saw on an over-loaded VAX. > > That’s part of what contributed to mainframes having less support > for interactive operation compared to minis. > >> Because the Mainframe only sees blocks of typing there are fewer >> interrupts and less paging so interactive response is generally as >> good as or better than a mini. > > That’s only if you assume “block mode” operation. Typical mainframe > thinking: more efficient use of the computer, less efficient for the > human user. > > Imagine trying to run a full-screen editor that way: it just wouldn’t > work. The app really needed to be able to respond to every keystroke > in order to maintain the necessary level of interactive response. > Minis (and later superminis, like the VAX) had it all over mainframes > in that regard. I violently disagree. Full screen editors provide instant response to most operations: Move the cursor around, add, delete, and change text. There's only a delay when you're done editing that screen and want to move on to something else. On a well-tuned system this is a slight delay. It just occurred to me that I'm typing this text into a mail app which is basically the same thing. I can edit all I want, and then press SEND when I'm done. Maybe it's my mainframe background, but I think having "the computer" respond instantly to every keystroke is just stupid.
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2026-11-02 22:53 -0500 |
| Subject | Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) |
| Message-ID | <GymdnS7udYpQx3T3nZ2dnZfqnPadnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #94982 |
On 11/2/26 21:49, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: > On Tue, 03 Nov 2026 02:42:44 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > >> Consider that while the mini people were making a big thing of DMA, >> the term was unheard of in the mainframe world - mainframers just >> took it for granted. > > The mainframe world had “channels”, which were practically autonomous > controllers with their own ability to obey complex sequences of > program instructions while the CPU was busy doing application stuff. Yep ! Even the old mainframes were "smart" - lots of optimizations that only later migrated down. > The mini people were spending a lot of time building systems which > could efficiently respond to a CPU interrupt on every user keystroke. > Even the thought of that would have filled mainframers with horror. System interrupts PER-KEYSTROKE ??? Horrible ! The "minis" were pretty good all in all, had a definite 'place'. Lots made. Had some experience with the TI-990 minis. Super-funky hardware- based multi-user scheme with RAM-based registers. Hey, good at the time ! I guess you COULD call the PDP-11 a "mini", but imho it didn't have quite the "feel". More like a cut-down mainframe. Good peripheral bus though, you could plug in all kinds of goodies.
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| From | Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-11-03 07:15 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) |
| Message-ID | <ZRfGS.60037$Zy1.25834@fx05.iad> |
| In reply to | #94988 |
On 2026-11-03, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote: > On 11/2/26 21:49, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: > >> On Tue, 03 Nov 2026 02:42:44 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote: >> >>> Consider that while the mini people were making a big thing of DMA, >>> the term was unheard of in the mainframe world - mainframers just >>> took it for granted. >> >> The mainframe world had “channels”, which were practically autonomous >> controllers with their own ability to obey complex sequences of >> program instructions while the CPU was busy doing application stuff. > > Yep ! Even the old mainframes were "smart" - lots > of optimizations that only later migrated down. > >> The mini people were spending a lot of time building systems which >> could efficiently respond to a CPU interrupt on every user keystroke. >> Even the thought of that would have filled mainframers with horror. > > System interrupts PER-KEYSTROKE ??? Horrible ! > > The "minis" were pretty good all in all, had a > definite 'place'. Lots made. Had some experience > with the TI-990 minis. Super-funky hardware- > based multi-user scheme with RAM-based registers. > Hey, good at the time ! Mainframes in the day used minis as "front-end processors" that offloaded things like keystroke processing from the main CPU, which could then concentrate on number crunching. -- /~\ Charlie Gibbs | In this world there are \ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | two kinds of people: X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | 1. Those who can extrapolate / \ if you read it the right way. | from incomplete data.
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-11-03 19:28 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) |
| Message-ID | <nkuqu1F2rmsU12@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #94993 |
On Tue, 03 Nov 2026 07:15:05 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > Mainframes in the day used minis as "front-end processors" that > offloaded things like keystroke processing from the main CPU, which > could then concentrate on number crunching. iirc the System 360/30s became satellite processors for the later 360 machines.
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| From | John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> |
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| Date | 2026-11-03 23:07 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) |
| Message-ID | <11cdpg8$1qa8$5@gal.iecc.com> |
| In reply to | #95028 |
According to rbowman <bowman@montana.com>: >On Tue, 03 Nov 2026 07:15:05 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > >> Mainframes in the day used minis as "front-end processors" that >> offloaded things like keystroke processing from the main CPU, which >> could then concentrate on number crunching. > >iirc the System 360/30s became satellite processors for the later 360 >machines. Back around 1970 at Princeton I used some 360/20s which were set up as remote job entry terminals to their 360/91 mainframe, but I can't think of anyone using a 360/30 as a satellite. Their CPUs were feeble and their strength was the peripherals, line printers and card read/punch and one or two disks or tapes. IBM was happy to sell you an 1130 mini or later Series/1 or System/7 which would do a better job as a remote system. -- Regards, John Levine, johnl@taugh.com, Primary Perpetrator of "The Internet for Dummies", Please consider the environment before reading this e-mail. https://jl.ly
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| From | Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-11-03 23:41 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) |
| Message-ID | <5juGS.78285$y_V1.33270@fx12.iad> |
| In reply to | #95055 |
On 2026-11-03, John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> wrote: > According to rbowman <bowman@montana.com>: > >> On Tue, 03 Nov 2026 07:15:05 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote: >> >>> Mainframes in the day used minis as "front-end processors" that >>> offloaded things like keystroke processing from the main CPU, which >>> could then concentrate on number crunching. >> >> iirc the System 360/30s became satellite processors for the later 360 >> machines. > > Back around 1970 at Princeton I used some 360/20s which were set up as > remote job entry terminals to their 360/91 mainframe, but I can't think > of anyone using a 360/30 as a satellite. Their CPUs were feeble and > their strength was the peripherals, line printers and card read/punch > and one or two disks or tapes. > > IBM was happy to sell you an 1130 mini or later Series/1 or > System/7 which would do a better job as a remote system. For small shops a 360/30 was enough - especially after third parties started hanging additional memory on them. -- /~\ Charlie Gibbs | In this world there are \ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | two kinds of people: X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | 1. Those who can extrapolate / \ if you read it the right way. | from incomplete data.
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