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| Started by | Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> |
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| First post | 2026-10-16 03:26 +0000 |
| Last post | 2026-10-18 10:59 +0000 |
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Re: Back To CS Basics. Fuck AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-17 04:04 +0000
Re: Back To CS Basics. Fuck AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-17 09:24 +0100
Re: Back To CS Basics. Fuck AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-16 19:27 +0000
Re: Back To CS Basics. Fuck AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-16 22:20 +0100
Re: Back To CS Basics. Fuck AI Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-17 01:13 +0100
Re: Back To CS Basics. Fuck AI Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-17 02:32 +0000
Re: Back To CS Basics. Fuck AI Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-17 18:33 +0000
Re: Back To CS Basics. Fuck AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-18 03:04 +0000
Re: Back To CS Basics. Fuck AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-18 11:41 +0100
Re: Back To CS Basics. Fuck AI John Bokma <contact@johnbokma.com> - 2026-10-18 12:45 +0200
Re: Back To CS Basics. Fuck AI Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-19 16:05 +0100
Re: Back To CS Basics. Fuck AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-19 17:25 +0100
Re: Back To CS Basics. Fuck AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-19 20:19 +0000
Re: Back To CS Basics. Fuck AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-16 19:24 +0000
Re: Back To CS Basics. Fuck AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-16 22:16 +0100
Re: Back To CS Basics. Fuck AI "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-17 22:53 +0200
Re: Back To CS Basics. Fuck AI Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-16 06:02 +0000
Re: Back To CS Basics. Fuck AI "Peyton" <peyton@solacium.us> - 2026-10-15 23:26 -0700
Re: Back To CS Basics. Fuck AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-16 06:42 +0000
Re: Back To CS Basics. Fuck AI Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-16 07:41 +0000
Re: Back To CS Basics. Fuck AI Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> - 2026-10-16 06:39 +0000
Re: Back To CS Basics. Fuck AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-16 04:22 -0400
Re: Back To CS Basics. Fuck AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-16 10:54 +0100
Re: Back To CS Basics. Fuck AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-16 09:19 +0100
Re: Back To CS Basics. Fuck AI Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2026-10-17 08:40 +0000
Re: Back To CS Basics. Fuck AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-17 09:52 +0100
Re: Back To CS Basics. Fuck AI Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-17 20:47 +0000
Re: Back To CS Basics. Fuck AI Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-10-17 23:29 +0200
Re: Back To CS Basics. Fuck AI Anton Antimo <anton@safunu.org> - 2026-10-19 17:18 -0300
Re: Back To CS Basics. Fuck AI Helmut Waitzmann <nn.throttle@erine.email> - 2026-10-21 00:54 +0200
Re: Back To CS Basics. Fuck AI Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-10-23 18:50 +0200
Re: Back To CS Basics. Fuck AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-23 23:59 -0400
Re: Back To CS Basics. Fuck AI Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-10-24 11:53 +0200
Taking Speedy too seriously (Was: Back To CS Basics. Fuck AI) gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2026-10-24 12:10 +0000
Re: Taking Speedy too seriously (Was: Back To CS Basics. Fuck AI) Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-10-24 18:53 +0200
Re: Taking Speedy too seriously (Was: Back To CS Basics. Fuck AI) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-26 00:28 -0400
Re: Taking Speedy too seriously (Was: Back To CS Basics. Fuck AI) Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-10-26 06:20 +0100
Re: Taking Speedy too seriously (Was: Back To CS Basics. Fuck AI) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-26 03:38 -0400
Re: Taking Speedy too seriously (Was: Back To CS Basics. Fuck AI) Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-10-27 05:01 +0100
Re: Taking Speedy too seriously (Was: Back To CS Basics. Fuck AI) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-27 12:24 -0400
[OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-10-28 01:12 +0100
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-28 05:26 -0400
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-28 19:33 +0000
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-29 00:19 +0000
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-10-29 12:27 -0400
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-30 03:40 -0400
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-30 19:24 +0000
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-30 23:10 +0000
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-31 04:14 +0000
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-31 11:40 +0100
Internal navigation in the online manual (was: Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously)) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-31 10:49 +0000
Re: Internal navigation in the online manual (was: Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously)) Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2026-10-31 13:11 +0000
Re: Internal navigation in the online manual "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-31 19:53 +0100
Re: Internal navigation in the online manual "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-31 19:56 +0100
Re: Internal navigation in the online manual Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-31 22:41 +0000
Re: Internal navigation in the online manual "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-11-01 12:31 +0100
Re: Internal navigation in the online manual Christian Weisgerber <naddy@mips.inka.de> - 2026-11-01 20:50 +0000
Re: Internal navigation in the online manual (was: Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously)) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-11-01 19:40 +0000
Re: Internal navigation in the online manual "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-11-02 23:27 +0100
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> - 2026-10-31 14:11 +0000
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-10-31 16:57 +0100
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-31 19:56 +0100
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-10-31 22:11 +0100
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-11-01 04:18 -0500
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-11-01 17:22 +0100
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-11-01 12:59 +0100
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-11-01 17:50 +0100
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) FF <fflud@linux.rocks> - 2026-11-01 18:09 +0000
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-11-02 23:32 +0100
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-11-03 00:26 +0100
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-11-03 02:57 +0100
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-11-03 02:17 +0000
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-11-03 02:49 +0000
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-11-02 22:22 -0500
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-11-03 12:24 +0100
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-11-03 04:49 +0000
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-11-03 12:28 +0100
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-11-03 08:36 +0000
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-11-01 22:29 +0000
Internal navigation in the online manual (was: Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously)) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-11-01 01:08 +0000
Re: Internal navigation in the online manual "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-11-01 13:03 +0100
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Andreas Eder <a_eder_muc@web.de> - 2026-11-01 10:58 +0100
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-11-01 22:27 +0000
Re: man pages (was Re: [OT] Punch card times) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-31 21:57 +0000
Re: man pages (was Re: [OT] Punch card times) "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-11-01 13:07 +0100
Re: man pages (was Re: [OT] Punch card times) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-11-01 22:32 +0000
Re: man pages (was Re: [OT] Punch card times) "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-11-02 23:35 +0100
Re: man pages (was Re: [OT] Punch card times) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-11-02 23:22 +0000
Re: man pages (was Re: [OT] Punch card times) "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-11-03 03:02 +0100
Re: man pages (was Re: [OT] Punch card times) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-11-03 02:50 +0000
Re: man pages (was Re: [OT] Punch card times) "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-11-03 12:28 +0100
Re: man pages (was Re: [OT] Punch card times) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-11-02 21:18 -0500
Re: man pages (was Re: [OT] Punch card times) Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-11-03 08:40 +0000
Re: man pages (was Re: [OT] Punch card times) "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-11-03 12:31 +0100
Re: man pages (was Re: [OT] Punch card times) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-11-01 19:40 +0000
Re: man pages (was Re: [OT] Punch card times) Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-11-01 16:49 -0800
Re: man pages (was Re: [OT] Punch card times) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-11-02 11:31 +0000
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Josef Möllers <josef@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-28 17:01 +0100
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-10-28 17:50 +0100
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-28 18:18 +0000
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) David LaRue <huey.dll@tampabay.rr.com> - 2026-10-28 23:28 +0000
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-29 00:11 +0000
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-29 00:46 +0000
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-28 22:36 -0400
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-10-29 09:13 -0700
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-29 18:13 +0000
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-30 04:00 -0400
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Christian Weisgerber <naddy@mips.inka.de> - 2026-10-29 17:37 +0000
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Kaz Kylheku <046-301-5902@kylheku.com> - 2026-10-29 20:01 +0000
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-29 21:18 +0100
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Christian Weisgerber <naddy@mips.inka.de> - 2026-10-29 21:40 +0000
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-29 23:58 +0000
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Christian Weisgerber <naddy@mips.inka.de> - 2026-10-30 15:14 +0000
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-30 00:09 +0000
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-30 04:33 +0000
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-30 11:10 +0000
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-30 17:52 +0000
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2026-10-30 17:14 +0000
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-30 19:25 +0000
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> - 2026-10-30 18:26 +0000
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-30 19:25 +0000
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> - 2026-10-30 20:12 +0000
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) jayjwa <jayjwa@atr2.ath.cx.invalid> - 2026-10-31 11:07 -0400
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-31 21:38 +0000
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-11-01 04:30 -0500
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2026-11-01 10:16 +0000
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-11-01 19:13 +0000
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-11-02 09:35 -0800
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-11-02 20:27 +0000
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-11-02 13:50 -0800
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-11-02 20:42 -0500
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-11-03 02:42 +0000
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-11-03 16:38 +0800
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-11-03 08:40 +0000
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-11-03 07:29 -0700
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-11-01 18:17 -0500
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-11-01 16:45 -0800
Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-11-01 21:00 -0500
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-11-02 02:16 +0000
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-11-02 04:48 +0000
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-11-02 14:13 +0800
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-11-02 06:47 +0000
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-11-02 20:02 +0800
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-11-02 19:48 +0000
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-11-02 16:51 +0000
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-11-02 20:10 +0000
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2026-11-02 17:10 +0000
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-11-02 20:25 -0500
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-11-02 03:56 -0500
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-11-02 20:03 +0800
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-11-02 13:51 +0000
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-11-02 19:56 +0000
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-11-03 16:42 +0800
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-11-02 01:28 -0500
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-11-02 09:41 +0100
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-11-02 11:22 +0000
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-11-02 20:11 +0800
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-11-02 13:57 +0000
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-11-03 00:20 +0100
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-11-03 12:45 +0100
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2026-11-03 11:49 +0000
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-11-03 13:02 +0100
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) David Wade <g4ugm@dave.invalid> - 2026-11-03 13:26 +0000
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-11-03 07:35 -0700
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-11-03 18:06 +0100
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-11-03 14:29 +0000
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-11-03 14:28 +0000
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-11-03 00:08 +0100
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-11-02 21:12 -0500
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-11-03 15:13 +0000
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-11-03 02:42 +0000
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-11-03 02:49 +0000
Re: [OT] Dead DEC Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-11-03 02:53 +0000
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| From | Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-11-03 02:50 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: man pages (was Re: [OT] Punch card times) |
| Message-ID | <11cbi6f$3djvr$4@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #94972 |
On Tue, 3 Nov 2026 03:02:07 +0100, Carlos E. R. wrote: > I have seen documentation PDFs that are just the output of man2pdf. Not sure why you need a separate package/command, when the usual “man” command is quite capable of doing that itself.
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| From | "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-11-03 12:28 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: man pages (was Re: [OT] Punch card times) |
| Message-ID | <nkturnFahr2U4@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #94984 |
On 2026-11-03 03:50, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
> On Tue, 3 Nov 2026 03:02:07 +0100, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>
>> I have seen documentation PDFs that are just the output of man2pdf.
>
> Not sure why you need a separate package/command, when the usual “man”
> command is quite capable of doing that itself.
And is just as useless.
--
Cheers,
Carlos E.R.
ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺.
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2026-11-02 21:18 -0500 |
| Subject | Re: man pages (was Re: [OT] Punch card times) |
| Message-ID | <ReydnSF6-osa2XT3nZ2dnZfqnPadnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #94965 |
On 11/2/26 18:22, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: > On Mon, 2 Nov 2026 23:35:43 +0100, Carlos E. R. wrote: > >> On 2026-11-01 23:32, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: >>> >>> Actually, you *can* include URLs in the source markup, and the PDF >>> version will make them clickable. >> >> Yes, that happens when the source is used to create several output >> formats. Tpically both man and info, but there can be more. >> >> But not when the pdf is generated using the man as source. > > I’m not sure what you mean by “man as source”, if not the troff/groff > markup. That *is* the required source form for man pages, after all. On more than one box I've disabled man-db. The WAY man pages are written tends to be VERY unhelpful. Often NO examples/templates even. "You need TWO spaces after <whatever> ?" Won't see any good working examples in the man pages. Expected to work out every detail yourself from the man abstractions - takes ten times as long. Sorry, not into 'suffering' - no black leather and whips. MUCH better docs elsewhere, often with pictures and/or videos.
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| From | Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-11-03 08:40 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: man pages (was Re: [OT] Punch card times) |
| Message-ID | <wwvse1icnol.fsf@LkoBDZeT.terraraq.uk> |
| In reply to | #94959 |
"Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> writes: > On 2026-11-01 23:32, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: >> On Sun, 1 Nov 2026 13:07:09 +0100, Carlos E. R. wrote: >>> On 2026-10-31 22:57, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: >>>> Tip: if you prefer another form, like PDF, it’s quite easy to >>>> generate that from any man page. >>> >>> PDF is fine, but not if the source is a man page, because there are >>> no cross references that you can click or tap ... >> Actually, you *can* include URLs in the source markup, and the PDF >> version will make them clickable. > > Yes, that happens when the source is used to create several output > formats. Tpically both man and info, but there can be more. > > But not when the pdf is generated using the man as source. Links work fine in PDFs generated from man page sources. See link at the bottom of https://terraraq.uk/junk/ccache.pdf to https://ccache.dev/credits.html for an example. -- https://www.greenend.org.uk/rjk/
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| From | "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-11-03 12:31 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: man pages (was Re: [OT] Punch card times) |
| Message-ID | <nktv18Fahr1U5@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #94997 |
On 2026-11-03 09:40, Richard Kettlewell wrote:
> "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> writes:
>> On 2026-11-01 23:32, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
>>> On Sun, 1 Nov 2026 13:07:09 +0100, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>>> On 2026-10-31 22:57, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
>>>>> Tip: if you prefer another form, like PDF, it’s quite easy to
>>>>> generate that from any man page.
>>>>
>>>> PDF is fine, but not if the source is a man page, because there are
>>>> no cross references that you can click or tap ...
>>> Actually, you *can* include URLs in the source markup, and the PDF
>>> version will make them clickable.
>>
>> Yes, that happens when the source is used to create several output
>> formats. Tpically both man and info, but there can be more.
>>
>> But not when the pdf is generated using the man as source.
>
> Links work fine in PDFs generated from man page sources. See
> link at the bottom of https://terraraq.uk/junk/ccache.pdf to
> https://ccache.dev/credits.html for an example.
>
That's not what I mean.
That's just an URL that is detected and activated.
--
Cheers,
Carlos E.R.
ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺.
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| From | Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-11-01 19:40 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: man pages (was Re: [OT] Punch card times) |
| Message-ID | <uAMFS.70976$%ZO1.29248@fx13.iad> |
| In reply to | #94869 |
On 2026-10-31, Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> wrote: > On Sat, 31 Oct 2026 21:57:58 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: > >> >> For example, if you look at Perl, you will see its documentation is >> broken up across a whole series of man pages -- over 200 of them. >> >> (Is that going too far in the other direction, do you think ... ?) >> > > The record for the number of man pages has to be openssl. > > Here is the list on my Gentoo system. Don't bother counting. <list snipped> TL;DR :-) -- /~\ Charlie Gibbs | In this world there are \ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | two kinds of people: X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | 1. Those who can extrapolate / \ if you read it the right way. | from incomplete data.
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| From | Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2026-11-01 16:49 -0800 |
| Subject | Re: man pages (was Re: [OT] Punch card times) |
| Message-ID | <11c8mnd$2e89e$3@kst.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #94869 |
Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> writes:
[...]
> I have tried info pages a few times, but always found them awkward to
> navigate. I’ve never heard of anybody who liked them.
You have now: I do. I'm not sure what the objection is.
--
Keith Thompson (The_Other_Keith) Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com
void Void(void) { Void(); } /* The recursive call of the void */
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-11-02 11:31 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: man pages (was Re: [OT] Punch card times) |
| Message-ID | <11c9saa$2oln7$8@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #94909 |
On 02/11/2026 00:49, Keith Thompson wrote: > Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> writes: > [...] >> I have tried info pages a few times, but always found them awkward to >> navigate. I’ve never heard of anybody who liked them. > > You have now: I do. I'm not sure what the objection is. > My beef against man pages is that they are written to answer the question no one actually wants the answer to: Namely 'what can your shiny new piece of shit do?' Whereas the real question is: 'I know your piece of shiny shit can do this, but have no idea what the magic spell is that will enable it to happen?' I once spent £50 and a whole day browsing a 3rd party Solaris manual for *one line* of configuration, to tell a SUN SysV computer how to send data to a parallel printer. Before CUPS and after LPR/LPD (BSD) the dreadful lpadmin/lp interface had arrived and no one actually knew how to use it. Today AI and the net provides most answers in a few milliseconds I don't buy computer manuals any more -- If I had all the money I've spent on drink... ..I'd spend it on drink. Sir Henry (at Rawlinson's End)
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| From | Josef Möllers <josef@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-10-28 17:01 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) |
| Message-ID | <nkekj8F5jptU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #94728 |
On 28.10.26 01:12, Janis Papanagnou wrote: > On 2026-10-27 17:24, c186282 wrote: >> On 10/27/26 00:01, Janis Papanagnou wrote: >> [...] >> >> The SysLord had a serial terminal, but all >> the rest of us had to do cards. > > I started with punch cards and switched early to a > terminal. Ah ... yes ... The Olde Times ;-) I started studying CS in 1977 (after two years trying my luck at EE). Indeed, we too had to use punched cards in the beginning. > (Frankly, the cards had an advantage; the terminal > made us stay constantly in front of it; write code, > make some changes/fixes, compile, rinse repeat. > With the cards we spent time beforehand designing > the code, seeing and fixing all errors in one turn. > It turned out to be, WRT net-time, more efficient. > But, OTOH, fixing a punching mistake was more time > consuming; needed a lot discipline and attention.) 100% +1! Think twice before punching. I had been told once that IBM developers did not have a compiler or such at their disposal but only a text editor, so they, too, had to think twice before committing their code. > >> >>> >>> PS: The nastiest thing I've encountered with the >>> card deck was that a friend exchanged all my cards >>> which carried the word 'BEGIN' with cards carrying >>> the word 'SADAT' - just as a hilarious play with >>> words WRT two international politicians back then. >>> Not so funny for me when I noticed all the syntax >>> errors and had to wait another hour for the next >>> batch run. >> >> Admit it, was a CLEVER joke ! > > (I can't tell you how pissed I was at that moment!) > > But, with some distance, it was a marvellous prank. > (That's why I still remember it after 40+ years.) > > He was all like that. Sadly he died extremely young. > >> >> SADAT ... do, but barely, remember it now. > > (I do recall his name only because of that joke.) This is SOOO funny! At that time I myself had put a note on the wall stating that with the developments then the keyword BEGIN should be replaced by SADAT. I'm 70 now, retired 4 years ago. Josef
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| From | Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> |
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| Date | 2026-10-28 17:50 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) |
| Message-ID | <11bt94v$139ta$9@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #94744 |
On 2026-10-28 17:01, Josef Möllers wrote: > [...] > > I had been told once that IBM developers did not have a compiler or such > at their disposal but only a text editor, so they, too, had to think > twice before committing their code. This almost sounds like the joke where the editor was actually just the 'cat' command. :-) >>>> PS: The nastiest thing I've encountered with the >>>> card deck was that a friend exchanged all my cards >>>> which carried the word 'BEGIN' with cards carrying >>>> the word 'SADAT' - just as a hilarious play with >>>> words WRT two international politicians back then. >>>> Not so funny for me when I noticed all the syntax >>>> errors and had to wait another hour for the next >>>> batch run. >>> >>> Admit it, was a CLEVER joke ! >> >> (I can't tell you how pissed I was at that moment!) >> >> But, with some distance, it was a marvellous prank. >> (That's why I still remember it after 40+ years.) >> >> He was all like that. Sadly he died extremely young. >> >>> >>> SADAT ... do, but barely, remember it now. >> >> (I do recall his name only because of that joke.) > > This is SOOO funny! At that time I myself had put a note on the wall > stating that with the developments then the keyword BEGIN should be > replaced by SADAT. Wow, what coincidence! :-) > > I'm 70 now, retired 4 years ago. > > Josef Janis, retired (hopefully only physically) as well
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-10-28 18:18 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) |
| Message-ID | <nkesjgF6rc9U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #94744 |
On Wed, 28 Oct 2026 17:01:44 +0100, Josef Möllers wrote: > Ah ... yes ... The Olde Times ;-) > I started studying CS in 1977 (after two years trying my luck at EE). > Indeed, we too had to use punched cards in the beginning. The IBM 2260 terminal came out in 1964 but I didn't see one until I interviewed with IBM/Owego in 1968. If there were any in the college they were buried in a cave. I didn't get the job. IBM found my programming aptitude questionable.
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| From | David LaRue <huey.dll@tampabay.rr.com> |
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| Date | 2026-10-28 23:28 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) |
| Message-ID | <XnsB4F3C606CC1B5hueydlltampabayrrcom@157.180.91.226> |
| In reply to | #94749 |
rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote in news:nkesjgF6rc9U1 @mid.individual.net: > On Wed, 28 Oct 2026 17:01:44 +0100, Josef Möllers wrote: > >> Ah ... yes ... The Olde Times ;-) >> I started studying CS in 1977 (after two years trying my luck at EE). >> Indeed, we too had to use punched cards in the beginning. > > The IBM 2260 terminal came out in 1964 but I didn't see one until I > interviewed with IBM/Owego in 1968. If there were any in the college they > were buried in a cave. > > I didn't get the job. IBM found my programming aptitude questionable. I too grew up accessing computers (the big iron) first with cards and later with terminals as they became available around campus. I agree that cards or anything low tech makes the developer first think about what they want to build and then do so. I had a slight advantage by the time my parents let me take college level computing with a friend at high school. I started on paper with imaginary simple computers via a Saturday morning show on PBS or more likely WGN Chicago. That was much earlier in my life, perhaps Junior High when I was also in an elective class to earn my Amateur Radio Novice Licence. Upon earning that and quickly moving to Technician, I became a member of the local ARRL Club. There I met all kinds of electricians, radio and antenna experts, and one Advanced class leader with his own antenna farm on his farm. He was doing moon bounce and slow scan TV. He showed me his latest project -- a home built Z80 Computer that booted by flipping switches to input the very tiny OS or a simple program. Now that really helped me form my programming and diagnostic capabilities. Thankfully all the Hams and teachers I met over the years were eager to share their knowledge. I loved teachers from any class that would go outside the curriculum and teach students outside class too. I hated students that would interupt a teacher with a question like "Is that going to be on the test?". I loved great teachers and quickly exited the few classes with poor teachers. Starting early classes on any subject with "low tech" helps form the student's mind. Ah the memories of a life well lived. Thank you to all the teachers who helped us form our minds! P.S. During those first years on cards for FORTRAN and COBOL a friend and I "competed" for solving programs with the least lines, comments excluded.
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-10-29 00:11 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) |
| Message-ID | <nkfha4F6rc9U3@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #94757 |
On Wed, 28 Oct 2026 23:28:12 -0000 (UTC), David LaRue wrote: > That was much earlier in my life, perhaps Junior High when I was > also in an elective class to earn my Amateur Radio Novice Licence. Upon > earning that and quickly moving to Technician, I became a member of the > local ARRL Club. There I met all kinds of electricians, radio and > antenna experts, and one Advanced class leader with his own antenna farm > on his farm. He was doing moon bounce and slow scan TV. He showed me > his latest project -- a home built Z80 Computer that booted by flipping > switches to input the very tiny OS or a simple program. Now that really > helped me form my programming and diagnostic capabilities. The Sputnik launch awakened interest in STEM subjects but computers were exotic critters when I was in high school. The IBM System 360/30 was released in 1964. RPI had close ties with IBM and iirc had one by 1965. That's what I learned FORTRAN IV on. The Z80 was way in the future. I did eventually get a Amateur Radio license. I'm stubborn enough to keep my Advanced license. They ain't making them anymore but if you had one you could keep it. I wasn't that great with code so I never tried for Extra.
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| From | Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-10-29 00:46 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) |
| Message-ID | <11bu51q$2u4ci$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #94757 |
On Wed, 28 Oct 2026 23:28:12 -0000 (UTC), David LaRue wrote: > I too grew up accessing computers (the big iron) first with cards > and later with terminals as they became available around campus. I > agree that cards or anything low tech makes the developer first > think about what they want to build and then do so. Imagine if your calculator was like that: you had to think carefully what you wanted to do, and write it down on a coding form or something, before simply switching the thing on and punching buttons ...
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2026-10-28 22:36 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) |
| Message-ID | <mIKdndv348emLH_3nZ2dnZfqnPidnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #94764 |
On 10/28/26 20:46, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: > On Wed, 28 Oct 2026 23:28:12 -0000 (UTC), David LaRue wrote: > >> I too grew up accessing computers (the big iron) first with cards >> and later with terminals as they became available around campus. I >> agree that cards or anything low tech makes the developer first >> think about what they want to build and then do so. > > Imagine if your calculator was like that: you had to think carefully > what you wanted to do, and write it down on a coding form or > something, before simply switching the thing on and punching buttons > ... Well ... THAT'S HOW IT WAS not ALL so long ago. Get it right the FIRST time, or SUFFER. That plus minimal memory/storage ensured good quality, tight, code.
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| From | John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2026-10-29 09:13 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) |
| Message-ID | <20261029091314.0000126b@gmail.com> |
| In reply to | #94767 |
On Wed, 28 Oct 2026 22:36:37 -0400 c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote: > Well ... THAT'S HOW IT WAS not ALL so long ago. > > Get it right the FIRST time, or SUFFER. > > That plus minimal memory/storage ensured good quality, tight, code. :s/ensured/encouraged/
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| From | Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-10-29 18:13 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) |
| Message-ID | <W0MES.44500$lAb6.5817@fx07.iad> |
| In reply to | #94773 |
On 2026-10-29, John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> wrote: > On Wed, 28 Oct 2026 22:36:37 -0400 > c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote: > >> Well ... THAT'S HOW IT WAS not ALL so long ago. >> >> Get it right the FIRST time, or SUFFER. >> >> That plus minimal memory/storage ensured good quality, tight, code. > >:s/ensured/encouraged/ It also encouraged efficient, logical, consistent system design. There just weren't the resources to implement the kinds of cruft that seems to be mandatory these days. -- /~\ Charlie Gibbs | In this world there are \ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | two kinds of people: X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | 1. Those who can extrapolate / \ if you read it the right way. | from incomplete data.
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2026-10-30 04:00 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) |
| Message-ID | <MgSdnZ8ls44203n3nZ2dnZfqn_udnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #94777 |
On 10/29/26 14:13, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > On 2026-10-29, John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> wrote: > >> On Wed, 28 Oct 2026 22:36:37 -0400 >> c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote: >> >>> Well ... THAT'S HOW IT WAS not ALL so long ago. >>> >>> Get it right the FIRST time, or SUFFER. >>> >>> That plus minimal memory/storage ensured good quality, tight, code. >> >> :s/ensured/encouraged/ > > It also encouraged efficient, logical, consistent system design. > There just weren't the resources to implement the kinds of cruft > that seems to be mandatory these days. WILL still stick to my long-time rec that all 'computer' students START on micro-controllers. Teaches efficiency, exact crafting, some hint of the underlying electronics.
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| From | Christian Weisgerber <naddy@mips.inka.de> |
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| Date | 2026-10-29 17:37 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) |
| Message-ID | <slrn11e712j.1hu2.naddy@lorvorc.mips.inka.de> |
| In reply to | #94757 |
On 2026-10-28, David LaRue <huey.dll@tampabay.rr.com> wrote: > I too grew up accessing computers (the big iron) first with cards and later > with terminals as they became available around campus. For those of us too young: When exactly did terminals become common on university campuses? Please be more specific than "the 1980s". -- Christian "naddy" Weisgerber naddy@mips.inka.de
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| From | Kaz Kylheku <046-301-5902@kylheku.com> |
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| Date | 2026-10-29 20:01 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: [OT] Punch card times (was Re: Taking Speedy too seriously) |
| Message-ID | <20261029124542.471@kylheku.com> |
| In reply to | #94778 |
On 2026-10-29, Christian Weisgerber <naddy@mips.inka.de> wrote: > On 2026-10-28, David LaRue <huey.dll@tampabay.rr.com> wrote: > >> I too grew up accessing computers (the big iron) first with cards and later >> with terminals as they became available around campus. > > For those of us too young: When exactly did terminals become common > on university campuses? Please be more specific than "the 1980s". By January 1st, 1979, 87.395% of all university access methods to computers were interactive visual terminals rather than TTYs or other. (With a 95% confidence interval of +/- 0.003% based on the polled sample size.) A coordinated mass conversion, to visual terminals, of all remaining teletype and other non-visual terminals attached to legacy time sharing systems, at all university campuses around the world, took place on September 13, 1983, now remembered as "T day". Engineering students in New York celebrated by suspending a chain of seven key punch machines from the Brooklyn Bridge. -- TXR Programming Language: http://nongnu.org/txr Cygnal: Cygwin Native Application Library: http://kylheku.com/cygnal Mastodon: @Kazinator@mstdn.ca
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