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  The Leap Second is Dead.  How Will GNU/Linux Cope? Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> - 2026-10-16 15:45 +0000
    Re: The Leap Second is Dead. How Will GNU/Linux Cope? Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-10-16 16:56 +0100
      Re: The Leap Second is Dead. How Will GNU/Linux Cope? Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> - 2026-10-16 17:08 +0000
    Re: The Leap Second is Dead.  How Will GNU/Linux Cope? Cóilín Nioclásín Glostéir <thanks-to@Taf.com> - 2026-10-16 19:13 +0000
    Re: The Leap Second is Dead.  How Will GNU/Linux Cope? Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2026-10-17 13:29 +0000
      Re: The Leap Second is Dead.  How Will GNU/Linux Cope? gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2026-10-17 13:51 +0000
      Re: The Leap Second is Dead.  How Will GNU/Linux Cope? Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> - 2026-10-17 14:19 +0000
        Re: The Leap Second is Dead. How Will GNU/Linux Cope? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-17 19:37 +0200
          Re: The Leap Second is Dead. How Will GNU/Linux Cope? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-18 11:25 +0100
          Metric vs. US/Imperial (Was: The Leap Second is Dead. How Will GNU/Linux Cope?) gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2026-10-18 11:57 +0000
            Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial (Was: The Leap Second is Dead. How Will GNU/Linux Cope?) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-18 14:20 +0200
              Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial (Was: The Leap Second is Dead. How Will GNU/Linux Cope?) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-18 13:25 +0100
                Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial (Was: The Leap Second is Dead. How Will GNU/Linux Cope?) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-18 14:31 +0200
                  Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial (Was: The Leap Second is Dead. How Will GNU/Linux Cope?) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-18 14:23 +0100
                  Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial (Was: The Leap Second is Dead. How Will GNU/Linux Cope?) Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2026-10-18 13:35 +0000
                    Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial (Was: The Leap Second is Dead. How Will GNU/Linux Cope?) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-18 18:45 +0000
                      Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial (Was: The Leap Second is Dead. How Will GNU/Linux Cope?) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-18 21:41 +0000
                        Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial (Was: The Leap Second is Dead. How Will GNU/Linux Cope?) Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> - 2026-10-19 00:57 +0000
                          Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial (Was: The Leap Second is Dead. How Will GNU/Linux Cope?) Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-10-19 09:26 +0100
                            Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial (Was: The Leap Second is Dead. How Will GNU/Linux Cope?) Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> - 2026-10-19 14:17 +0000
                        Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial (Was: The Leap Second ...) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-19 02:11 +0000
                          Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial (Was: The Leap Second ...) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-19 02:38 +0000
                            Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial (Was: The Leap Second ...) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-19 03:52 +0000
                              Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial (Was: The Leap Second ...) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-19 03:56 +0000
                                Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial (Was: The Leap Second ...) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-19 05:58 +0000
                                  Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-20 02:41 +0100
                          Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial (Was: The Leap Second ...) Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> - 2026-10-19 03:03 +0000
                        Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial (Was: The Leap Second is Dead. How Will GNU/Linux Cope?) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-19 02:49 +0000
                        Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial (Was: The Leap Second is Dead. How Will GNU/Linux Cope?) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-19 11:49 +0100
                      Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-20 02:29 +0100
                        Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> - 2026-10-20 01:59 +0000
                        Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2026-10-20 13:20 +0000
                          Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-20 14:29 +0100
                          Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-20 18:10 +0000
                            Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-21 10:19 +0100
                              Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-21 19:22 +0000
                        Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-20 18:05 +0000
                    Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial (Was: The Leap Second is Dead. How Will GNU/Linux Cope?) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-18 20:15 +0100
                    Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial (Was: The Leap Second is Dead. How Will GNU/Linux Cope?) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-19 00:44 -0400
                      Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial (Was: The Leap Second is Dead. How Will GNU/Linux Cope?) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-19 11:54 +0100
                    Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial (Was: The Leap Second is Dead. How Will GNU/Linux Cope?) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-19 20:27 +0200
                Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial (Was: The Leap Second is Dead. How Will GNU/Linux Cope?) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-18 14:38 +0200
                  Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial (Was: The Leap Second is Dead. How Will GNU/Linux Cope?) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-18 14:26 +0100
                    Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial (Was: The Leap Second is Dead. How Will GNU/Linux Cope?) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-18 18:59 +0000
                    Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial (Was: The Leap Second is Dead. How Will GNU/Linux Cope?) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-19 20:36 +0200
                      Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial (Was: The Leap Second is Dead. How Will GNU/Linux Cope?) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-20 09:08 +0100
                        Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial (Was: The Leap Second is Dead. How Will GNU/Linux Cope?) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-20 10:35 +0200
                          Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial (Was: The Leap Second is Dead. How Will GNU/Linux Cope?) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-20 14:21 +0100
                  Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial (Was: The Leap Second is Dead. How Will GNU/Linux Cope?) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-18 18:55 +0000
              Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial (Was: The Leap Second is Dead. How Will GNU/Linux Cope?) Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2026-10-18 19:05 +0000
                Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial (Was: The Leap Second is Dead. How Will GNU/Linux Cope?) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-18 20:41 +0100
                  Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial (Was: The Leap Second is Dead. How Will GNU/Linux Cope?) Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2026-10-19 00:15 +0000
                    Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial (Was: The Leap Second ...) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-19 02:02 +0000
                      Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-20 02:18 +0100
                        Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> - 2026-10-20 01:52 +0000
                          Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-20 10:37 +0200
                            Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2026-10-20 11:39 +0100
                            Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-20 14:22 +0100
                              Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-20 21:11 +0200
                          Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-20 17:45 +0000
                            Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> - 2026-10-20 18:28 +0000
                              Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-21 01:05 +0000
                    Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial (Was: The Leap Second is Dead. How Will GNU/Linux Cope?) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-19 11:48 +0100
                  Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial (Was: The Leap Second is Dead. How Will GNU/Linux Cope?) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-19 02:42 +0000
                    Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-20 02:20 +0100
                      Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam2616@zugschl.us> - 2026-10-20 08:39 +0200
                        Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-20 07:53 +0000
                        Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-20 10:38 +0200
                          Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-20 14:23 +0100
                            Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-20 21:13 +0200
                              Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-20 23:18 +0000
                                Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-21 03:09 +0200
                                  Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-21 03:22 +0000
                                    Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-21 11:19 +0200
                                      Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-21 13:44 +0000
                                        Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2026-10-21 13:54 +0000
                                          Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-10-21 15:33 +0100
                                        Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-21 15:19 +0100
                                          Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-21 19:44 +0000
                                            Re: names of bats "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-22 12:04 +0200
                                              Re: names of bats Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-10-22 11:15 +0100
                                                Re: names of bats "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-22 12:20 +0200
                                  Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-21 10:24 +0100
                                Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-21 03:16 +0200
                                Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-21 02:31 +0000
                                  Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-21 03:22 +0000
                                  Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-21 11:21 +0200
                                    Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-21 14:00 +0000
                                      Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-21 19:56 +0200
                        Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-20 19:04 +0000
                          Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-20 22:02 +0200
                            Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-21 10:22 +0100
                          Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-20 20:29 +0000
                          Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-21 02:12 +0000
                            Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-21 10:22 +0100
                              Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-21 13:57 +0000
                                Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-21 15:18 +0100
                                  Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-21 19:51 +0000
                                Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-21 19:58 +0200
                                  Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-21 19:58 +0000
                                    Margarine "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-22 12:19 +0200
                                      Re: Margarine c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-22 07:16 -0400
                                        Re: Margarine "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-22 13:46 +0200
                                          Re: Margarine The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-22 15:54 +0100
                                          Re: Margarine rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-22 17:46 +0000
                                            Re: Margarine Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-22 19:05 +0000
                                        Re: Margarine The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-22 15:46 +0100
                                      Re: Margarine The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-22 15:40 +0100
                          Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-21 10:20 +0100
                      Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-20 17:57 +0000
                Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial (Was: The Leap Second is Dead. How Will GNU/Linux Cope?) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-19 20:49 +0200
            Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial (Was: The Leap Second is Dead. How Will GNU/Linux Cope?) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-18 13:21 +0100
              Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial (Was: The Leap Second is Dead. How Will GNU/Linux Cope?) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-18 19:04 +0000
            Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial (Was: The Leap Second is Dead. How Will GNU/Linux Cope?) Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> - 2026-10-18 14:07 +0000
              Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial (Was: The Leap Second is Dead. How Will GNU/Linux Cope?) Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2026-10-18 11:45 -0700
                Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial (Was: The Leap Second is Dead. How Will GNU/Linux Cope?) Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> - 2026-10-18 19:27 +0000
                  Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial (Was: The Leap Second is Dead. How Will GNU/Linux Cope?) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-19 02:30 +0000
                Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial (Was: The Leap Second ...) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-19 02:06 +0000
              Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial (Was: The Leap Second is Dead. How Will GNU/Linux Cope?) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-18 19:05 +0000
                Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial (Was: The Leap Second is Dead. How Will GNU/Linux Cope?) Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> - 2026-10-18 19:32 +0000
                  Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial (Was: The Leap Second is Dead. How Will GNU/Linux Cope?) gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2026-10-18 19:37 +0000
                  Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial (Was: The Leap Second is Dead. How Will GNU/Linux Cope?) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-19 02:20 +0000
                Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial (Was: The Leap Second is Dead. How Will GNU/Linux Cope?) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-18 20:40 +0100
              Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial (Was: The Leap Second is Dead. How Will GNU/Linux Cope?) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-19 21:00 +0200
              Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-20 03:03 +0100
              Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial (Was: The Leap Second is Dead. How Will GNU/Linux Cope?) Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2026-10-20 11:40 +0100
                Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial (Was: The Leap Second is Dead. How Will GNU/Linux Cope?) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-20 14:26 +0100

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#94266 — Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial (Was: The Leap Second ...)

On Sun, 18 Oct 2026 21:41:21 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:

> I'm now fully bilingual in distances and temperature.

Temperature scales in common use are arbitrary, anyway. Having done
some undergrad physics, I prefer a scale where zero means zero; i.e.
why we don’t just use Kelvin for temperature measurements, and be done
with it.

> The one thing that really pisses me off is gas mileage: it was
> flipped upside-down (miles per gallon to litres per 100 km), so you
> can't just apply a conversion factor like you can with other units.

The trip computer inside my car shows km/l.

It seems to me “litres per 100 km” is a somewhat awkward thing to
write and say: simpler to use “cl/km”, since the numbers are exactly
the same.

Never heard of “centilitres”? Look at wine bottles (at least, European
ones). May not be long before petrol is as expensive as wine, anyway.
;)

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#94273 — Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial (Was: The Leap Second ...)

On 2026-10-19, Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

> Never heard of “centilitres”? Look at wine bottles (at least, European
> ones). May not be long before petrol is as expensive as wine, anyway.
> ;)

One of our wedding presents was a set of beer mugs.
They are marked "50 cL".

-- 
/~\  Charlie Gibbs                  |  In this world there are
\ /  <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>      |  two kinds of people:
 X   I'm really at ac.dekanfrus     |  1. Those who can extrapolate
/ \  if you read it the right way.  |  from incomplete data.

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#94282 — Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial (Was: The Leap Second ...)

On Mon, 19 Oct 2026 02:38:52 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:

> On 2026-10-19, Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
>
>> Never heard of “centilitres”? Look at wine bottles (at least,
>> European ones). May not be long before petrol is as expensive as
>> wine, anyway. ;)
>
> One of our wedding presents was a set of beer mugs. They are marked
> "50 cL".

Capital L?

Tisk-tisk ...

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#94284 — Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial (Was: The Leap Second ...)

On 2026-10-19, Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

> On Mon, 19 Oct 2026 02:38:52 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>
>> On 2026-10-19, Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> Never heard of “centilitres”? Look at wine bottles (at least,
>>> European ones). May not be long before petrol is as expensive as
>>> wine, anyway. ;)
>>
>> One of our wedding presents was a set of beer mugs. They are marked
>> "50 cL".
>
> Capital L?
>
> Tisk-tisk ...

Actually, now that you mention it, it was "cl" (all lower case).

-- 
/~\  Charlie Gibbs                  |  In this world there are
\ /  <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>      |  two kinds of people:
 X   I'm really at ac.dekanfrus     |  1. Those who can extrapolate
/ \  if you read it the right way.  |  from incomplete data.

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#94291 — Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial (Was: The Leap Second ...)

On Mon, 19 Oct 2026 03:56:42 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:

> On 2026-10-19, Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 19 Oct 2026 02:38:52 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>>
>>> On 2026-10-19, Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Never heard of “centilitres”? Look at wine bottles (at least,
>>>> European ones). May not be long before petrol is as expensive as
>>>> wine, anyway. ;)
>>>
>>> One of our wedding presents was a set of beer mugs. They are
>>> marked "50 cL".
>>
>> Capital L?
>>
>> Tisk-tisk ...
>
> Actually, now that you mention it, it was "cl" (all lower case).

I do frequently see it uppercased. I suppose they think the lower-case
“l” looks like “I” or “1” or something.

My answer to that is, “pick a better font”.

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#94372 — Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial

On 2026-10-19, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:

> On Mon, 19 Oct 2026 03:56:42 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>
>> On 2026-10-19, Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, 19 Oct 2026 02:38:52 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2026-10-19, Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Never heard of “centilitres”? Look at wine bottles (at least,
>>>>> European ones). May not be long before petrol is as expensive as
>>>>> wine, anyway. ;)
>>>>
>>>> One of our wedding presents was a set of beer mugs. They are
>>>> marked "50 cL".
>>>
>>> Capital L?
>>>
>>> Tisk-tisk ...
>>
>> Actually, now that you mention it, it was "cl" (all lower case).
>
> I do frequently see it uppercased. I suppose they think the lower-case
> “l” looks like “I” or “1” or something.
>
> My answer to that is, “pick a better font”.

While that seems to be the reasoning behind the exception, "L" *is* a
valid standard symbol for that unit.

    Ǥ5.1 Unit symbols
     =================
    
    Unit symbols are printed in roman (upright) type regardless of the
    type used in the surrounding text. They are printed in lower-case
    letters unless they are derived from a proper name, in which case
    the first letter is a capital letter.
    
    An exception, adopted by the 16th CGPM (1979, Resolution 6), is that
    either capital L or lower-case l is allowed for the litre, in order
    to avoid possible confusion between the numeral 1 (one) and the
    lower-case letter l (el).
    [...]»
    -- /The International System of Units (SI)/,
    Bureau International des Poids et Mesures
    p130 (PDF page 136),
    <https://www.bipm.org/documents/20126/41483022/si_brochure_8.pdf>

-- 
Nuno Silva

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#94278 — Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial (Was: The Leap Second ...)

On Mon, 19 Oct 2026 02:11:21 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:

> 
> Temperature scales in common use are arbitrary, anyway. Having done
> some undergrad physics, I prefer a scale where zero means zero; i.e.
> why we don’t just use Kelvin for temperature measurements, and be done
> with it.
> 

The Celsius scale is just a shifted Kelvin scale, with the shift factor
being 273.15.

But how many common folk think in terms of degrees above absolute zero
(which was a concept only developed in the 19th century)?

Tradition rules, and the earliest scale, AFAIK, was the Fahrenheit scale.
Before then there was probably just freezing, cold, warm, and hot, which
are all based on human sensation but that's all humans care about.

<https://dewesoft.com/blog/temperature-measurement-history>

After the scientific revolution, temperature scales had to be reproducible
and that's how the Fahrenheit and subsequent scales were developed.

I have been so conditioned to the Fahrenheit scale that I reject everything
else.  I know that 50F or below means that a light jacket is needed.  What
that would be on the Celsius scale would involve some mental gymnastics.

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#94275 — Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial (Was: The Leap Second is Dead. How Will GNU/Linux Cope?)

On Sun, 18 Oct 2026 21:41:21 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:

> That's where being a computer nerd came in handy.  When Canada switches
> to kilometers, I was able to just read the numbers on my speedometer as
> hex.

I think the Toyota speedometer has both mph and kph. It's one of those 
things you don't notice.  For truckers the important thing to know is what 
13' 6" is in meters.

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#94312 — Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial (Was: The Leap Second is Dead. How Will GNU/Linux Cope?)

On 18/10/2026 22:41, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
> I'm now fully bilingual in distances and temperature.  The one thing
> that really pisses me off is gas mileage: it was flipped upside-down
> (miles per gallon to litres per 100 km), so you can't just apply a
> conversion factor like you can with other units.

Amen to that.

In the UK we still talk miles per gallon, although no one really knows 
what a gallon is any more.


-- 
"Anyone who believes that the laws of physics are mere social 
conventions is invited to try transgressing those conventions from the 
windows of my apartment. (I live on the twenty-first floor.) "

Alan Sokal

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#94371 — Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial

On 2026-10-18, rbowman wrote:

> The US tried to move to metric in 1975 and wasn't entirely successful. 
> Kilometers, in particular, fell flat. I spent enough time driving in 
> Canada to be somewhat comfortable but I don't have a gut feeling. If I see 
> a speed limit of 100 kph I convert it to 60 as close enough. I've no 
> feeling at all for Centigrade.

I'd hazard a guess the biggest nuisance with a move from miles et al. to
kilometers and meters would be smartasses trying to find a way out of
speeding tickets or criminal charges using "I've mixed the units" as an
excuse.

>
> The result is my 1986 pickup and 1998 Harley have a mix of SAE and Metric 
> fasteners so I need two sets of wrenches. At least the Toyota and two 
> Suzuki bikes are pure metric.

So maybe this means wrenches don't become more complicated when the
units changes, different sizes are used instead in some applications?

-- 
Nuno Silva

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#94375 — Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial

On Tue, 20 Oct 2026 02:29:22 +0100, Nuno Silva wrote:

>>
>> The result is my 1986 pickup and 1998 Harley have a mix of SAE and Metric 
>> fasteners so I need two sets of wrenches. At least the Toyota and two 
>> Suzuki bikes are pure metric.
> 
> So maybe this means wrenches don't become more complicated when the
> units changes, different sizes are used instead in some applications?
>

Using a non-metric tool on a metric fastener can literally destroy
the tool.

Quality tools are made from very hard and tough steel alloys but
they can still be deformed if repetitive excess force is applied
to an incorrect fit.

Also, the fastener will surely be stripped which causes a whole
new set of problems.

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#94399 — Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial

In article <11b6g5i$2jehe$3@dont-email.me>,
Nuno Silva  <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>On 2026-10-18, rbowman wrote:
>
>> The US tried to move to metric in 1975 and wasn't entirely successful. 
>> Kilometers, in particular, fell flat. I spent enough time driving in 
>> Canada to be somewhat comfortable but I don't have a gut feeling. If I see 
>> a speed limit of 100 kph I convert it to 60 as close enough. I've no 
>> feeling at all for Centigrade.
>
>I'd hazard a guess the biggest nuisance with a move from miles et al. to
>kilometers and meters would be smartasses trying to find a way out of
>speeding tickets or criminal charges using "I've mixed the units" as an
>excuse.

Yes.  The funny thing is that most of the time, the metric unit is "bigger"
than the corresponding US unit.  E.g., kilogram is bigger than a pound,
meter more than a yard, liter more than a quart, metric ton more than a
ton, etc.  You get used to this as a general rule of thumb.

But the one glaring exception is the kilometer, which is smaller than the
mile.  This has always thrown me for a loop...

-- 
Project 2025: Taking 900 pages to say 14 words.

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#94404 — Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial

On 20/10/2026 14:20, Kenny McCormack wrote:
> Yes.  The funny thing is that most of the time, the metric unit is "bigger"
> than the corresponding US unit.  E.g., kilogram is bigger than a pound,
> meter more than a yard, liter more than a quart, metric ton more than a
> ton, etc.  You get used to this as a general rule of thumb.
> 

  An imperial long ton weighs about 35.38 pounds (or roughly 16 
kilograms) more than a metric tonne.

A centimetre is less than an inch

> But the one glaring exception is the kilometer, which is smaller than the
> mile.  This has always thrown me for a loop...

Not one glaring. Just another exception to a non existent rule...

-- 
"Anyone who believes that the laws of physics are mere social 
conventions is invited to try transgressing those conventions from the 
windows of my apartment. (I live on the twenty-first floor.) "

Alan Sokal

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#94412 — Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial

On Tue, 20 Oct 2026 13:20:10 -0000 (UTC), Kenny McCormack wrote:

> Yes.  The funny thing is that most of the time, the metric unit is
> "bigger"
> than the corresponding US unit.  E.g., kilogram is bigger than a pound,
> meter more than a yard, liter more than a quart, metric ton more than a
> ton, etc.  You get used to this as a general rule of thumb.

I've noticed that recipes specify 500 grams of flour, etc, so they're sort 
of using pounds. I don't know if the recipes were originally in English 
units and were converted.

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#94460 — Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial

On 20/10/2026 19:10, rbowman wrote:
> On Tue, 20 Oct 2026 13:20:10 -0000 (UTC), Kenny McCormack wrote:
> 
>> Yes.  The funny thing is that most of the time, the metric unit is
>> "bigger"
>> than the corresponding US unit.  E.g., kilogram is bigger than a pound,
>> meter more than a yard, liter more than a quart, metric ton more than a
>> ton, etc.  You get used to this as a general rule of thumb.
> 
> I've noticed that recipes specify 500 grams of flour, etc, so they're sort
> of using pounds. I don't know if the recipes were originally in English
> units and were converted.

A lot were. US and Australian recipes use dessert spoons and table 
spoons and teaspoons, which is utterly weird to me

But it makes sense in recipes that go back to a time when kitchens had 
no scales, but they had a set of spoons

-- 
“Some people like to travel by train because it combines the slowness of 
a car with the cramped public exposure of 
an airplane.”

Dennis Miller

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#94510 — Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial

On Wed, 21 Oct 2026 10:19:38 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> On 20/10/2026 19:10, rbowman wrote:
>> On Tue, 20 Oct 2026 13:20:10 -0000 (UTC), Kenny McCormack wrote:
>> 
>>> Yes.  The funny thing is that most of the time, the metric unit is
>>> "bigger"
>>> than the corresponding US unit.  E.g., kilogram is bigger than a
>>> pound,
>>> meter more than a yard, liter more than a quart, metric ton more than
>>> a ton, etc.  You get used to this as a general rule of thumb.
>> 
>> I've noticed that recipes specify 500 grams of flour, etc, so they're
>> sort of using pounds. I don't know if the recipes were originally in
>> English units and were converted.
> 
> A lot were. US and Australian recipes use dessert spoons and table
> spoons and teaspoons, which is utterly weird to me
> 
> But it makes sense in recipes that go back to a time when kitchens had
> no scales, but they had a set of spoons

I usually eyeball it but I have a set of spoons and measuring cups that I 
use. I do have a digital scale but I can't remember the last time I used 
it. 

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#94411 — Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial

On Tue, 20 Oct 2026 02:29:22 +0100, Nuno Silva wrote:


>> The result is my 1986 pickup and 1998 Harley have a mix of SAE and
>> Metric fasteners so I need two sets of wrenches. At least the Toyota
>> and two Suzuki bikes are pure metric.
> 
> So maybe this means wrenches don't become more complicated when the
> units changes, different sizes are used instead in some applications?

The problem is when the two units are mixed. Many of the smaller fasteners 
on my Japanese bikes are 10mm. The equivalent on a completely SAE bike is 
3/8" or 9.525mm.  9mm is too small, 10mm is too big. However even with the 
iconic Harley, the forks, carb, and other bits and pieces are Japanese on 
mine. 

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#94219 — Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial (Was: The Leap Second is Dead. How Will GNU/Linux Cope?)

On 18/10/2026 14:35, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:
> Le 18-10-2026, Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> a écrit :
>> On 2026-10-18 14:25, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>> On 18/10/2026 13:20, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>>> Here, the imperial system is not even mentioned in school. All is SI.
>>>> As in most countries.
>>>>
>>> Not really
>>>
>>> Just yours
>>>
>>>
>> Really? X'-D
> 
> In Spain, as well as in Portugal and in France and in Germany and in
> Belgian and in Netherlands and in Morocco and in Algeria and in Egypt
> and in Roumania and in India. I stop here because I can't speak about
> countries in which I don't know anyone.
> 
> Well, that's why I'm calling him The Blind Natural Philosopher.
> 
No, that's because you are a Leftist bigot, who thinks they can spew 
hate at anyone who didn't read the same propaganda
I pointed out that many non SI units are used universally. In all countries
You simply ignore the facts and continuee with your bigotry and personal 
attacks

I think you are a  factophobe

-- 
“People believe certain stories because everyone important tells them, 
and people tell those stories because everyone important believes them. 
Indeed, when a conventional wisdom is at its fullest strength, one’s 
agreement with that conventional wisdom becomes almost a litmus test of 
one’s suitability to be taken seriously.”

Paul Krugman

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#94289 — Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial (Was: The Leap Second is Dead. How Will GNU/Linux Cope?)

On 10/18/26 09:35, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:
> Le 18-10-2026, Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> a écrit :
>> On 2026-10-18 14:25, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>> On 18/10/2026 13:20, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>>> Here, the imperial system is not even mentioned in school. All is SI.
>>>> As in most countries.
>>>>
>>> Not really
>>>
>>> Just yours
>>>
>>>
>> Really? X'-D
> 
> In Spain, as well as in Portugal and in France and in Germany and in
> Belgian and in Netherlands and in Morocco and in Algeria and in Egypt
> and in Roumania and in India. I stop here because I can't speak about
> countries in which I don't know anyone.
> 
> Well, that's why I'm calling him The Blind Natural Philosopher.

   The best thing about the Imperial system is that
   the units are 'more human'. A foot, a stride, the
   distance when you hold two fingers apart.

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#94313 — Re: Metric vs. US/Imperial (Was: The Leap Second is Dead. How Will GNU/Linux Cope?)

On 19/10/2026 05:44, c186282 wrote:
>> In Spain, as well as in Portugal and in France and in Germany and in
>> Belgian and in Netherlands and in Morocco and in Algeria and in Egypt
>> and in Roumania and in India. I stop here because I can't speak about
>> countries in which I don't know anyone.
>>
>> Well, that's why I'm calling him The Blind Natural Philosopher.

Such an asshole

None of those countries use metric time. For example.

Or metric astronomical units

Stéphane CARPENTIER  is the blind one.

He will tell you that

(a) there are no riots in France.
(b) If there are its all down to the 'hard right'


-- 
“The ultimate result of shielding men from the effects of folly is to 
fill the world with fools.”

Herbert Spencer

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