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Killer price on a mini PC

Started by"Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com>
First post2026-09-15 21:48 -0400
Last post2026-09-27 13:32 +0200
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  Killer price on a mini PC "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-09-15 21:48 -0400
    Re: Killer price on a mini PC Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> - 2026-09-16 03:17 +0000
      Re: Killer price on a mini PC "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-09-15 23:35 -0400
        Re: Killer price on a mini PC T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-18 21:29 -0700
          Re: Killer price on a mini PC c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-19 01:51 -0400
          Re: Killer price on a mini PC Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-19 09:36 -0400
            Re: Killer price on a mini PC T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-19 12:03 -0700
              Re: Killer price on a mini PC c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-20 01:49 -0400
                Re: Killer price on a mini PC T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-21 02:44 -0700
                  Re: Killer price on a mini PC Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-21 20:29 +1000
                    Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-21 22:45 +0100
                      Re: Killer price on a mini PC rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-22 02:30 +0000
                      Re: Killer price on a mini PC Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-22 20:38 +1000
                        Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-22 12:43 +0100
                          Re: Killer price on a mini PC Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-22 17:38 +0100
                            Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-23 09:46 +0100
                        Re: Killer price on a mini PC Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-22 21:47 +1000
                          Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-22 12:54 +0100
                            Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-22 17:59 +0100
                  Re: Killer price on a mini PC Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-21 11:38 -0400
                    Re: Killer price on a mini PC T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-21 18:13 -0700
                      Re: Killer price on a mini PC rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-22 03:22 +0000
                      Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-22 06:56 +0100
                        Re: Killer price on a mini PC rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-22 07:19 +0000
                          Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-22 11:24 +0100
                          Re: Killer price on a mini PC c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-23 00:15 -0400
                        Re: Killer price on a mini PC T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-22 01:54 -0700
    Re: Killer price on a mini PC Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-16 07:24 -0400
      Re: Killer price on a mini PC Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-09-16 12:36 +0100
        Re: Killer price on a mini PC Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-16 10:11 -0400
      Re: Killer price on a mini PC "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-09-17 12:20 -0400
        Re: Killer price on a mini PC Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-17 12:58 -0400
          Re: Killer price on a mini PC "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-09-17 13:26 -0400
        Re: Killer price on a mini PC c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-18 00:49 -0400
          Re: Killer price on a mini PC Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-18 08:10 -0400
            Re: Killer price on a mini PC rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-18 20:01 +0000
              Re: Killer price on a mini PC "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-09-18 16:23 -0400
                Re: Killer price on a mini PC Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-09-18 17:42 -0400
                  Re: Killer price on a mini PC "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-09-18 18:09 -0400
                Re: Killer price on a mini PC rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-18 23:02 +0000
              Re: Killer price on a mini PC c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-19 01:08 -0400
            Re: Killer price on a mini PC c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-19 00:33 -0400
          Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-18 21:20 +0100
            Re: Killer price on a mini PC Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid> - 2026-09-18 16:05 -0500
              Re: Killer price on a mini PC "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-09-18 17:09 -0400
                Re: Killer price on a mini PC Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-18 17:19 -0400
                  Re: Killer price on a mini PC Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-09-18 17:47 -0400
                  Re: Killer price on a mini PC Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2026-09-18 22:10 +0000
                  Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-18 23:13 +0100
                    Re: Killer price on a mini PC Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-19 19:56 +1000
                      Re: Killer price on a mini PC Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-19 09:42 -0400
                        Re: Killer price on a mini PC Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-20 21:24 +1000
                          Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-20 19:18 +0100
                            Re: Killer price on a mini PC Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-21 04:51 -0400
                            Re: Killer price on a mini PC Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-21 19:18 +1000
                              Re: Killer price on a mini PC Chris Abraham <chris@gerriscorp.com> - 2026-09-21 13:13 -0400
                                Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-21 23:33 +0100
                                  Re: Killer price on a mini PC Chris Abraham <chris@gerriscorp.com> - 2026-09-21 18:46 -0400
                                  Re: Killer price on a mini PC Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-22 20:52 +1000
                                    Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-22 20:02 +0100
                                      Re: Killer price on a mini PC Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-23 21:21 +1000
                      Re: Killer price on a mini PC Mark Lloyd <not.email@all.invalid> - 2026-09-19 18:33 +0000
                      Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-19 21:24 +0100
                        Re: Killer price on a mini PC Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-20 04:03 -0400
                          Re: Killer price on a mini PC c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-20 04:21 -0400
                            screen shape/orientation (was: Re: Killer price on a mini PC) "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-20 10:31 +0100
                            Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-20 10:45 +0100
                              Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-20 10:57 +0100
                        Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-20 10:39 +0100
                          Re: Killer price on a mini PC Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-20 15:04 +0100
                            Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-20 19:29 +0100
                              Re: Killer price on a mini PC Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-20 22:47 +0100
                                Re: Killer price on a mini PC Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-20 20:36 -0400
                                Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-21 12:14 +0100
                          Re: Killer price on a mini PC chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2026-09-20 11:26 -0500
                            Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-20 19:32 +0100
                              Re: Killer price on a mini PC Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-21 06:16 -0400
                                Re: Killer price on a mini PC Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-21 12:41 +0000
                                  Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-21 14:30 +0100
                                    Re: Killer price on a mini PC Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-22 20:57 +1000
                                  Re: Killer price on a mini PC Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-21 12:01 -0400
                                    Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-21 17:19 +0100
                                Re: Killer price on a mini PC chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2026-09-21 16:02 -0500
                                  Re: Killer price on a mini PC Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-21 19:23 -0400
                                  Re: Killer price on a mini PC rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-22 03:30 +0000
                                Re: Killer price on a mini PC "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-22 14:12 +0200
                                  Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-22 13:47 +0100
                                    Re: Killer price on a mini PC "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-22 19:29 +0200
                              Re: Killer price on a mini PC Mark Lloyd <not.email@all.invalid> - 2026-09-21 14:26 +0000
                                Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-21 16:36 +0100
                                  Re: Killer price on a mini PC Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-09-21 18:44 +0000
                                    Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-21 22:29 +0100
                                      Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-21 23:34 +0100
                                        Re: Killer price on a mini PC Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-22 08:28 -0400
                                          Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-22 13:49 +0100
                                          Re: Killer price on a mini PC "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-22 19:40 +0200
                                            Re: Killer price on a mini PC Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-23 07:43 +0000
                                              Re: Killer price on a mini PC "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-23 12:38 +0200
                                                Re: Killer price on a mini PC Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-23 12:11 +0000
                                                  Re: Killer price on a mini PC "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-23 19:55 +0200
                                                    Re: Killer price on a mini PC Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-09-23 19:20 +0100
                                                      Re: Killer price on a mini PC c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-24 00:27 -0400
                                                        Re: Killer price on a mini PC Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2026-09-24 23:31 +0000
                                                          Re: Killer price on a mini PC Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-09-25 09:18 +0100
                                                            Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-25 11:05 +0100
                                                              Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-25 21:18 +0100
                                                            Re: Killer price on a mini PC c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-26 04:13 -0400
                                                              Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-26 18:55 +0100
                                                          Re: Killer price on a mini PC Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-25 20:43 +1000
                                                    Gigaset M740AV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-23 20:25 +0200
                                                    Re: Killer price on a mini PC Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-24 13:43 +0000
                                                      Re: Killer price on a mini PC "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-24 20:39 +0200
                                                        Re: Killer price on a mini PC Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-25 06:51 +0000
                                                          Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-25 09:24 +0100
                                                          Re: Killer price on a mini PC "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-25 12:11 +0200
                                                            Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-25 11:18 +0100
                                                              Re: Killer price on a mini PC "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-25 12:41 +0200
                                                              Re: Killer price on a mini PC Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-09-25 11:57 +0100
                                                                Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-25 12:48 +0100
                                                              Re: Killer price on a mini PC Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-25 14:25 +0000
                                                                Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-25 15:46 +0100
                                                                  Re: Killer price on a mini PC Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-25 16:47 +0000
                                                                Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-25 21:28 +0100
                                                                  Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-26 04:33 +0100
                                                            Re: Killer price on a mini PC Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-25 14:03 +0000
                                                              Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-25 15:42 +0100
                                                              Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-25 21:34 +0100
                                                                Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-26 04:36 +0100
                                                                  Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-26 20:14 +0100
                                                                    Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-26 20:39 +0100
                                                                      Re: Killer price on a mini PC Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid> - 2026-09-26 17:14 -0500
                                                                        Re: Killer price on a mini PC c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-26 22:16 -0400
                                                                        Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 08:24 +0100
                                                                          Re: Killer price on a mini PC rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-27 07:38 +0000
                                                                          Re: Killer price on a mini PC Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 09:37 +0100
                                                                            Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 12:42 +0100
                                                                              Re: Killer price on a mini PC Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 13:32 +0100
                                                                        Re: Killer price on a mini PC Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-27 18:56 +1000
                                                                          Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 12:46 +0100
                                                                            Re: Killer price on a mini PC Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-27 14:03 +0000
                                                                              Re: Killer price on a mini PC rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-27 19:16 +0000
                                                                                Re: Killer price on a mini PC Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-28 07:19 +0000
                                                                            Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-27 16:37 +0100
                                                                              Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 17:38 +0100
                                                                                Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-28 22:32 +0100
                                                                                  Re: Killer price on a mini PC rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-29 00:10 +0000
                                                                                    Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-29 01:56 +0100
                                                                                    Re: Killer price on a mini PC John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-09-29 08:20 -0700
                                                                              Re: Killer price on a mini PC Joe Makowiec <makowiec@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-28 21:46 +0000
                                                                                Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-28 23:27 +0100
                                                                                  Re: Killer price on a mini PC Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-29 08:12 +0100
                                                                            Re: Killer price on a mini PC rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-27 19:05 +0000
                                                                              Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-28 09:05 +0100
                                                                            Re: Killer price on a mini PC Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-28 20:46 +1000
                                                                              Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-28 12:03 +0100
                                                                                Re: Killer price on a mini PC rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-28 17:37 +0000
                                                                                  Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-28 19:03 +0100
                                                                  Re: Killer price on a mini PC Chris Abraham <chris@gerriscorp.com> - 2026-09-26 19:14 -0400
                                                                Re: Killer price on a mini PC Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-26 12:10 +0000
                                      Re: Killer price on a mini PC Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-22 02:20 -0400
                                        Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-22 07:50 +0100
                                          OT - TV (was: Re: Killer price on a mini PC) "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-22 18:59 +0100
                                            Re: OT - TV (was: Re: Killer price on a mini PC) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-09-22 19:52 +0000
                                              Re: OT - TV Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-23 02:29 -0400
                                              Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-23 09:50 +0100
                                                Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-23 12:40 +0200
                                                  Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-23 13:38 +0100
                                              Re: OT - TV "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-09-24 19:46 -0400
                                          Re: Killer price on a mini PC c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-23 00:04 -0400
                                            OT - TV (was: Re: Killer price on a mini PC) "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-23 06:45 +0100
                                              Re: OT - TV c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-24 04:10 -0400
                                                Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-24 12:39 +0100
                                                  Re: OT - TV Abandoned Trolley <that.bloke@microsoft.com> - 2026-09-24 13:17 +0100
                                                    Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-24 14:23 +0100
                                                      Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-24 19:44 +0100
                                                        Re: OT - TV Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-09-24 23:17 +0000
                                                          Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-25 20:39 +0100
                                                            Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-26 12:11 +0200
                                                              Re: OT - TV Abandoned Trolley <that.bloke@microsoft.com> - 2026-09-26 11:47 +0100
                                                                Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-26 19:08 +0100
                                                                  Re: OT - TV Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> - 2026-09-26 19:58 +0100
                                                                    Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-26 20:30 +0100
                                                                  Re: OT - TV Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-09-26 19:10 +0000
                                                                    Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-26 21:02 +0100
                                                                      Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-26 21:03 +0100
                                                                        Re: OT - TV Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-09-27 18:20 +0000
                                                                          Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-28 16:26 +0100
                                                                            Re: OT - TV Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-09-28 15:45 +0000
                                                                            Re: OT - TV Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-09-28 16:30 +0000
                                                                              Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-28 17:46 +0100
                                                                                Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-28 22:25 +0100
                                                                                  Re: OT - TV NY <me@privacy.net> - 2026-09-29 16:40 +0100
                                                                                    OT - Lehrer (was: Re: OT - TV) "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-29 16:58 +0100
                                                                                      Re: OT - Lehrer (was: Re: OT - TV) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-09-29 18:19 +0000
                                                                                        Re: OT - Lehrer "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-29 20:57 +0100
                                                                                        Re: OT - Lehrer Charles Hope <clh@candehope.me.uk> - 2026-09-29 20:00 +0000
                                                                                        Re: OT - Lehrer (was: Re: OT - TV) André Coutanche <acoutanche@gmx.co.uk> - 2026-09-29 21:50 +0100
                                                                                          Re: OT - Lehrer NY <me@privacy.net> - 2026-09-29 22:33 +0100
                                                                                            Re: OT - Lehrer Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-09-29 22:48 +0000
                                                                                              Re: OT - Lehrer "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-30 01:07 +0100
                                                                                                Re: OT - Lehrer John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-09-30 15:51 -0700
                                                                                                  Re: OT - Lehrer c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-30 21:02 -0400
                                                                                                    Re: OT - Lehrer chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2026-10-01 06:22 -0500
                                                                                                    Re: OT - Lehrer The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-01 13:01 +0100
                                                                                                  Re: OT - Lehrer NY <me@privacy.net> - 2026-10-01 10:57 +0100
                                                                                              Re: OT - Lehrer NY <me@privacy.net> - 2026-09-30 08:10 +0100
                                                                                            Re: OT - Lehrer "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-30 01:39 +0100
                                                                                              Re: OT - Lehrer Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2026-09-30 00:46 +0000
                                                                                      Re: OT - Lehrer NY <me@privacy.net> - 2026-09-29 22:39 +0100
                                                                                      Re: OT - Lehrer Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-09-30 12:25 +0000
                                                                                        Re: OT - Lehrer "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-30 13:34 +0100
                                                                                        Re: OT - Lehrer The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-30 14:31 +0100
                                                                                          Re: OT - Lehrer NY <me@privacy.net> - 2026-09-30 14:47 +0100
                                                                                            Re: OT - Lehrer John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> - 2026-09-30 14:58 +0100
                                                                                              Re: OT - Lehrer "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-01 02:36 +0100
                                                                                                Re: OT - Lehrer NY <me@privacy.net> - 2026-10-01 11:12 +0100
                                                                                                  Re: OT - Lehrer Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-10-01 14:35 +0000
                                                                                                    Re: OT - Lehrer NY <me@privacy.net> - 2026-10-01 16:14 +0100
                                                                                                      Re: OT - Lehrer Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-10-01 17:35 +0000
                                                                                                      Re: OT - Lehrer Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-01 17:53 +0000
                                                                                                        Re: OT - Lehrer John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> - 2026-10-01 19:03 +0100
                                                                                                          Re: OT - Lehrer "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-01 21:50 +0100
                                                                                                          Re: OT - Lehrer The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-02 12:25 +0100
                                                                                                  Re: OT - Lehrer marika <marika5000@gmail.com> - 2026-10-09 00:03 +0000
                                                                                            Re: OT - Lehrer The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-01 11:13 +0100
                                                                                              Re: OT - Lehrer NY <me@privacy.net> - 2026-10-01 11:51 +0100
                                                                                          Re: OT - Lehrer John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> - 2026-09-30 14:55 +0100
                                                                                          Re: OT - Lehrer Charles Hope <clh@candehope.me.uk> - 2026-09-30 14:15 +0000
                                                                    Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-27 19:58 +1000
                                                                      Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 12:52 +0100
                                                                        Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-27 22:13 +1000
                                                                          Re: OT - TV Rink <rink.hof.haalditmaarweg@planet.nl> - 2026-10-08 21:51 +0200
                                                                            Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-10-12 18:47 +1100
                                                                              Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-12 11:47 +0100
                                                                              Re: OT - TV John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> - 2026-10-12 11:58 +0100
                                                                                Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-10-12 22:37 +1100
                                                                                  Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-12 13:17 +0100
                                                                                  Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-12 18:15 +0000
                                                                    Re: OT - TV Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-27 11:56 -0400
                                                                      Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-27 19:28 +0200
                                                                        Re: OT - TV Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-27 15:28 -0400
                                                                          Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-28 10:19 +0200
                                                                      [OT] - audio distribution, Rediffusion-style (was: Re: OT - TV) "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-28 16:43 +0100
                                                                  Re: OT - TV Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com> - 2026-09-27 11:44 +0100
                                                                    Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-27 16:12 +0100
                                                                      Re: OT - TV Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com> - 2026-09-27 18:12 +0100
                                                                        Re: OT - TV Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-09-27 18:23 +0100
                                                                        Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 18:34 +0100
                                                                          Re: OT - TV Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com> - 2026-09-28 14:03 +0100
                                                                            Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-28 16:46 +0100
                                                                              Re: OT - TV Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com> - 2026-09-29 12:01 +0100
                                                                                Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-29 13:05 +0100
                                                                                  Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-29 14:13 +0100
                                                                                  Re: OT - TV The Other John <nomail@here.org> - 2026-09-29 16:53 +0100
                                                                                    Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-29 17:12 +0100
                                                                                  Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-30 11:23 +0200
                                                                                    Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-30 11:48 +0100
                                                                                    Re: OT - TV Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-30 07:37 -0400
                                                                                      Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-30 14:28 +0100
                                                                                        Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-01 00:35 +0200
                                                                                          Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-01 02:15 +0100
                                                                                            Re: OT - TV Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-10-01 00:15 -0400
                                                                                            Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-01 12:50 +0100
                                                                                            Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-01 14:24 +0200
                                                                                              Re: OT - TV Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com> - 2026-10-01 17:17 +0100
                                                                                          Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-01 12:48 +0100
                                                                                          Re: OT - TV John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> - 2026-10-01 13:32 +0100
                                                                                          Re: OT - TV Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-10-01 14:52 +0000
                                                                                            Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-10-03 21:10 +1000
                                                                                              Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-03 13:39 +0200
                                                                                                Re: OT - TV Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-10-03 09:11 -0400
                                                                                                Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-10-04 21:26 +1100
                                                                                                  Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-04 13:19 +0200
                                                                                                    Re: OT - TV Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-10-04 10:36 -0400
                                                                                                      Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-04 19:18 +0200
                                                                                              Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-03 12:47 +0100
                                                                                              Re: OT - TV John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> - 2026-10-03 12:50 +0100
                                                                                                Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-03 13:09 +0100
                                                                                                  Re: OT - TV John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> - 2026-10-03 15:59 +0100
                                                                                                    Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-10-03 15:56 +0000
                                                                                                      Re: OT - TV John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> - 2026-10-03 17:19 +0100
                                                                                                        Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-10-04 10:54 +0000
                                                                                                          Re: OT - TV c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-05 01:27 -0400
                                                                                                            Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-10-05 07:55 +0000
                                                                                                              Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-05 14:54 +0200
                                                                                                                Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-10-05 15:17 +0000
                                                                                                            Re: OT - TV John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> - 2026-10-05 11:29 +0100
                                                                                                              Re: OT - TV Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-10-05 11:46 +0100
                                                                                                                Re: OT - TV JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> - 2026-10-06 17:51 +0100
                                                                                                                  Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-06 18:58 +0100
                                                                                                                  Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-06 20:36 +0200
                                                                                                                    Re: OT - TV JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> - 2026-10-07 09:00 +0100
                                                                                                                      Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-07 11:04 +0100
                                                                                                                        Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-07 12:21 +0200
                                                                                                                          Re: OT - TV John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> - 2026-10-07 11:54 +0100
                                                                                                                            Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-07 12:37 +0100
                                                                                                                              Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-08 13:51 +0200
                                                                                                                                Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-08 13:04 +0100
                                                                                                                                  Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-08 22:02 +0100
                                                                                                                                    Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-08 22:15 +0100
                                                                                                                                      Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-09 22:22 +0200
                                                                                                                                        Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-09 22:33 +0100
                                                                                                                                          Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-10 19:20 +0200
                                                                                                                                        Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-10 01:01 +0000
                                                                                                                                          Re: OT - TV Don_from_AZ <djatechNOSPAM@comcast.net.invalid> - 2026-10-09 20:09 -0700
                                                                                                                                            Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-10 07:03 +0000
                                                                                                                                              Re: OT - TV Don_from_AZ <djatechNOSPAM@comcast.net.invalid> - 2026-10-10 10:32 -0700
                                                                                                                                                Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-10 19:56 +0000
                                                                                                                                                  Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-11 09:35 +0100
                                                                                                                                                    Re: OT - TV Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-11 15:54 +0000
                                                                                                                                                Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-11 09:33 +0100
                                                                                                                                              Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-10 19:52 +0200
                                                                                                                                                Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-10 20:04 +0000
                                                                                                                                                  Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-10 22:15 +0200
                                                                                                                                                    Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-11 03:23 +0000
                                                                                                                                                      Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-11 09:44 +0100
                                                                                                                                                        Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-11 18:15 +0000
                                                                                                                                                    Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-11 09:41 +0100
                                                                                                                                                  Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-11 09:40 +0100
                                                                                                                                                    Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-11 18:22 +0000
                                                                                                                                                Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-11 09:38 +0100
                                                                                                                                                  Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-11 15:17 +0200
                                                                                                                                                    Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-11 14:58 +0100
                                                                                                                                                      Re: OT - temperatures "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-11 20:45 +0200
                                                                                                                                                        Re: OT - temperatures c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-11 22:44 -0400
                                                                                                                                                          Re: OT - temperatures The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-12 10:45 +0100
                                                                                                                                                          Re: OT - temperatures "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-12 13:14 +0200
                                                                                                                                                            Re: OT - temperatures c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-13 00:53 -0400
                                                                                                                                                              Re: OT - temperatures "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-13 12:54 +0200
                                                                                                                                                                Re: OT - temperatures The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-13 14:31 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                  Re: OT - temperatures "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-13 17:39 +0200
                                                                                                                                                                    Re: OT - temperatures The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-13 18:53 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                      Re: OT - temperatures rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-14 05:26 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                        Re: OT - temperatures The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-14 09:14 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                    Re: OT - temperatures Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2026-10-16 19:29 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                      Re: OT - temperatures The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-16 23:02 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                        Re: OT - temperatures Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-16 22:32 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                          Re: OT - temperatures The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-17 09:35 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                        Re: OT - temperatures rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-17 03:28 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                          Re: OT - temperatures The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-17 09:41 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                            Re: OT - temperatures rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-17 19:24 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                        Re: OT - temperatures "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-17 13:02 +0200
                                                                                                                                                                          Re: OT - temperatures The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-17 12:16 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                            Re: OT - temperatures "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-17 13:41 +0200
                                                                                                                                                                            Re: OT - temperatures rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-17 18:55 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                          Re: OT - temperatures Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2026-10-17 12:52 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                            Re: OT - temperatures The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-17 15:03 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                              Re: OT - temperatures "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-17 20:08 +0200
                                                                                                                                                                            Re: OT - temperatures "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-17 20:05 +0200
                                                                                                                                                                            Re: OT - temperatures Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-17 18:33 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                            Re: OT - temperatures rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-17 18:57 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                              Re: OT - temperatures "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-17 22:03 +0200
                                                                                                                                                                                Re: OT - temperatures "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-17 22:38 +0200
                                                                                                                                                                      Re: OT - temperatures rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-17 03:26 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                        Re: OT - temperatures Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-17 09:07 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                        Re: OT - temperatures The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-17 09:45 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                          Re: OT - temperatures Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-17 18:33 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                          Re: OT - temperatures rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-17 19:10 +0000
                                                                                                                                                              Re: OT - temperatures "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-13 13:01 +0200
                                                                                                                                                                Re: OT - temperatures The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-13 14:33 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                  Re: OT - temperatures "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-13 17:40 +0200
                                                                                                                                                                    Re: OT - temperatures The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-13 19:04 +0100
                                                                                                                                                  Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-11 18:26 +0000
                                                                                                                                                    Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-12 11:07 +0100
                                                                                                                                    Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-09 02:28 +0000
                                                                                                                                      Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-09 22:32 +0200
                                                                                                                                        Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-10 00:46 +0000
                                                                                                                                          Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-10 19:29 +0200
                                                                                                                                  Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-09 22:20 +0200
                                                                                                                                    Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-09 22:32 +0100
                                                                                                                                      Re: OT - TV Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-09 23:08 +0000
                                                                                                                                        Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-10 19:34 +0200
                                                                                                                                          Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-10 19:30 +0000
                                                                                                                                            Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-10 21:56 +0200
                                                                                                                                          Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-10-11 21:15 +1100
                                                                                                                                            Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-11 11:23 +0100
                                                                                                                                              Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-10-11 22:15 +1100
                                                                                                                                                Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-11 14:52 +0100
                                                                                                                                                Re: OT - TV Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-11 15:54 +0000
                                                                                                                                                  Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-11 18:35 +0100
                                                                                                                                                    Re: OT - TV John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> - 2026-10-11 18:52 +0100
                                                                                                                                                      Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-11 20:10 +0100
                                                                                                                                                        Re: OT - TV NY <me@privacy.net> - 2026-10-11 20:54 +0100
                                                                                                                                                        Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-12 03:26 +0000
                                                                                                                                                        Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-10-12 18:11 +1100
                                                                                                                                                    Re: OT - TV Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-12 02:24 +0000
                                                                                                                                                      Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-12 03:49 +0000
                                                                                                                                                        Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-12 10:58 +0100
                                                                                                                                                          Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-12 18:17 +0000
                                                                                                                                                        Re: OT - TV Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-12 16:27 +0000
                                                                                                                                                      Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-12 07:23 +0100
                                                                                                                                                        Re: OT - TV c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-12 03:13 -0400
                                                                                                                                                        Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-10-12 21:07 +1100
                                                                                                                                                          Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-12 18:21 +0100
                                                                                                                                                            Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-12 18:26 +0000
                                                                                                                                                            Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-10-13 22:36 +1100
                                                                                                                                                      Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-10-12 18:17 +1100
                                                                                                                                                      Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-12 10:55 +0100
                                                                                                                                                    Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-10-12 18:09 +1100
                                                                                                                                                  Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-11 18:02 +0000
                                                                                                                                                    Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-12 11:01 +0100
                                                                                                                                                  Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-10-12 17:58 +1100
                                                                                                                                                Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-11 17:46 +0000
                                                                                                                                                  Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-12 11:02 +0100
                                                                                                                                            Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-11 15:18 +0200
                                                                                                                                              Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-11 14:59 +0100
                                                                                                                                                Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-11 21:29 +0200
                                                                                                                                                  Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-11 23:46 +0100
                                                                                                                                                    Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-12 10:48 +0100
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                                                                                                                                                                        Re: OT - TV c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-13 22:51 -0400
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                                                                                                                                                                            Re: OT - TV c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-14 01:26 -0400
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                                                                                                                                                                                Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-14 18:58 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                                  Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-15 10:20 +0100
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                                                                                                                                                                                      Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-15 19:11 +0100
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                                                                                                                                                                                          Re: OT - TV c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-16 00:39 -0400
                                                                                                                                                                                            Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-16 10:34 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                                            Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-16 12:46 +0200
                                                                                                                                                                                              Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-16 13:24 +0100
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                                                                                                                                                                                                  Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-16 22:38 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                                                  Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-17 13:08 +0200
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                                                                                                                                                                          Re: OT - TV Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-10-14 08:29 +0100
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                                                                                                                                                                          Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-14 16:21 +0200
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                                                                                                                                                                          Re: OT - TV c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-14 01:57 -0400
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                                                                                                                                                                          Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-14 18:17 +0000
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                                                                                                                                                                        Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-14 18:26 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                      Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-10-16 22:49 +1100
                                                                                                                                                                        Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-16 15:37 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                  Re: OT - TV Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-10-13 16:28 -0400
                                                                                                                                                                Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-13 19:36 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                  Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-13 20:08 +0100
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                                                                                                                                                                Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-13 20:59 +0200
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                                                                                                                                                                    Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-13 22:16 +0200
                                                                                                                                                                      Re: OT - TV Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-10-13 23:15 +0100
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                                                                                                                                                                          Re: OT - TV Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-10-13 20:39 -0400
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                                                                                                                                                                          Re: OT - TV Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-10-14 08:02 +0100
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                                                                                                                                                                            Re: OT - TV c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-14 04:42 -0400
                                                                                                                                                                              Re: OT - TV Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-10-14 14:18 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                              Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-14 14:45 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                                Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-14 16:25 +0200
                                                                                                                                                                          Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-14 12:34 +0200
                                                                                                                                                                        Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-14 12:31 +0200
                                                                                                                                                                          Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-14 13:21 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                            Re: OT - TV Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-10-14 13:31 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                              Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-14 14:48 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                            Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-14 18:54 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                              Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-15 10:17 +0100
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                                                                                                                                                                                  Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-15 19:13 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                          Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-14 18:50 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                            Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-14 20:13 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                              Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-14 21:38 +0200
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                                                                                                                                                                                  Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-15 10:12 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                                  Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-15 15:18 +0200
                                                                                                                                                                            Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-14 21:24 +0200
                                                                                                                                                                            Re: OT - TV Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-14 19:34 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                              Re: OT - TV Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2026-10-14 22:44 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                                Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-15 01:33 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                                  Re: OT - TV Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-15 18:18 +0000
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                                                                                                                                                                                          Re: OT - TV Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-16 00:17 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                                        Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-16 01:51 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                                        Re: OT - TV c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-16 00:13 -0400
                                                                                                                                                                              Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-15 01:26 +0000
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                                                                                                                                                                      Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-14 12:53 +0200
                                                                                                                                                                      Re: OT - TV Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-10-14 14:32 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                        Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-14 16:31 +0200
                                                                                                                                                                  Re: OT - TV JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> - 2026-10-14 16:09 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-14 04:27 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                Re: OT - TV Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com> - 2026-10-14 11:34 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                  Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-14 19:16 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                    Re: OT - TV Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid> - 2026-10-14 16:00 -0500
                                                                                                                                                              Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-10-15 00:19 +1100
                                                                                                                                                          Re: OT - TV Spike <aero.spike@mail.com> - 2026-10-13 17:06 +0000
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                                                                                                                                                          Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-14 17:26 +0100
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                                                                                                                                                              Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-15 10:08 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-15 18:57 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                  Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-15 20:18 +0100
                                                                                                                                                          Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-14 17:44 +0000
                                                                                                                                                            Re: OT - TV Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-14 19:34 +0000
                                                                                                                                                              Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-14 21:48 +0200
                                                                                                                                                                Re: OT - TV Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-14 21:20 +0000
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                                                                                                                                                                Re: OT - TV Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2026-10-16 19:59 +0000
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                                                                                                                                                                  Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-17 13:11 +0200
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                                                                                                                                                                    Re: OT - TV Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-17 18:33 +0000
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                                                                                                                                                            Re: OT - TV Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com> - 2026-10-15 17:24 +0100
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                                                                                                                                                              Re: OT - TV richard@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Richard Tobin) - 2026-10-16 13:15 +0000
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                                                                                                                                                            Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-10-17 23:09 +1100
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                                                                                                                                              Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-10-12 21:11 +1100
                                                                                                                                                Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-12 13:26 +0200
                                                                                                                                      Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-10 01:08 +0000
                                                                                                                                      Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-10 03:38 +0100
                                                                                                                                        Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-10 19:35 +0200
                                                                                                                                      Re: OT - TV Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-10-10 12:44 +0100
                                                                                                                                        Re: OT - TV John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> - 2026-10-10 13:29 +0100
                                                                                                                                          Re: OT - TV c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-11 00:01 -0400
                                                                                                                                            Re: OT - TV Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-11 05:23 +0000
                                                                                                                                              Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-10-12 21:21 +1100
                                                                                                                                            Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-11 09:56 +0100
                                                                                                                                            Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-10-12 21:18 +1100
                                                                                                                                          Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-11 09:30 +0100
                                                                                                                                            Re: OT - TV John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> - 2026-10-11 10:12 +0100
                                                                                                                                              Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-11 10:34 +0100
                                                                                                                                                Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-11 17:28 +0000
                                                                                                                                            Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-11 18:05 +0100
                                                                                                                                              Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-10-12 21:24 +1100
                                                                                                                                      Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-10 19:30 +0200
                                                                                                                                        Re: OT - TV JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> - 2026-10-12 19:26 +0100
                                                                                                                                          Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-12 19:40 +0100
                                                                                                                                            Re: OT - TV JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> - 2026-10-13 12:03 +0100
                                                                                                                                              Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-13 14:31 +0100
                                                                                                                                              Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-13 18:20 +0100
                                                                                                                                              Re: OT - TV chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2026-10-16 16:14 -0500
                                                                                                                                                Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-17 01:01 +0100
                                                                                                                                          Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-12 19:45 +0100
                                                                                                                                            Re: OT - TV Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-10-12 19:54 +0100
                                                                                                                                            Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-13 08:19 +0100
                                                                                                                                              Re: OT - TV Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-10-13 04:16 -0400
                                                                                                                                              Re: OT - TV chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2026-10-16 16:13 -0500
                                                                                                                                                Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-17 13:22 +0200
                                                                                                                                            Re: OT - TV JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> - 2026-10-13 12:05 +0100
                                                                                                                                              Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-13 14:34 +0100
                                                                                                                                          Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-12 21:56 +0200
                                                                                                                          Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-07 12:00 +0100
                                                                                                                        Re: OT - TV Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2026-10-07 22:31 +0000
                                                                                                                          Re: OT - TV Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-08 00:58 +0100
                                                                                                                          Re: OT - TV Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-08 20:08 +0000
                                                                                                                            Re: OT - TV Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2026-10-08 23:51 +0000
                                                                                                                            Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-09 02:14 +0000
                                                                                                                      Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-07 12:06 +0200
                                                                                                                        Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-07 12:02 +0100
                                                                                                                          Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-07 17:53 +0000
                                                                                                                            Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-08 13:56 +0200
                                                                                                                              Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-08 19:44 +0000
                                                                                                                                Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-08 22:10 +0100
                                                                                                                          Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-08 13:54 +0200
                                                                                                                  Re: OT - TV Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-10-06 14:40 -0400
                                                                                                                  Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-07 08:02 +0100
                                                                                                              Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-05 12:47 +0100
                                                                                                            Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-06 00:23 +0100
                                                                                                              Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-10-12 21:59 +1100
                                                                                                                Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-12 18:50 +0100
                                                                                                    Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-03 18:41 +0100
                                                                                                Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-03 22:52 +0100
                                                                                                  Re: OT - TV Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-10-03 21:24 -0400
                                                                                                    Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-10-04 08:08 +0000
                                                                                                  Re: OT - TV John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> - 2026-10-04 09:29 +0100
                                                                                Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-29 15:54 +0000
                                                                                  Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-29 17:15 +0100
                                                                                  Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-30 11:27 +0200
                                                                                    Re: OT - TV John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> - 2026-09-30 11:13 +0100
                                                                                      Re: OT - TV John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> - 2026-09-30 11:19 +0100
                                                                                        Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-30 11:57 +0100
                                                                                          Re: OT - TV John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> - 2026-09-30 13:54 +0100
                                                                                            Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-30 14:34 +0100
                                                                                              Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-01 02:22 +0100
                                                                                                Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-10-01 06:37 +0000
                                                                                      Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-01 00:37 +0200
                                                                                    Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-30 11:50 +0100
                                                                                    Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-30 13:08 +0000
                                                                                      Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-01 00:50 +0200
                                                                                        Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-10-01 06:12 +0000
                                                                                          Re: OT - TV c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-01 03:29 -0400
                                                                                            Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-01 14:53 +0200
                                                                                          Re: OT - TV Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-10-01 03:32 -0400
                                                                                          Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-01 14:49 +0200
                                                                                        Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-01 12:57 +0100
                                                                                          Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-01 15:19 +0200
                                                                                          Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-10-01 14:34 +0000
                                                                                            Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-01 15:51 +0100
                                                                                              Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-10-02 06:52 +0000
                                                                                        Re: OT - TV Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-10-04 07:52 +0100
                                                                                          Re: OT - TV c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-04 03:15 -0400
                                                                                            Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-04 15:51 +0100
                                                                                              Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-04 18:16 +0100
                                                                  Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-27 13:12 +0200
                                                        Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-25 10:06 +0100
                                                          Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-25 20:50 +0100
                                                            Re: OT - TV Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-09-26 01:31 +0000
                                                              Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-26 04:21 +0100
                                                                Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-26 19:26 +0100
                                                                  Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-26 20:26 +0100
                                                                    Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-26 20:37 +0100
                                                                      Re: OT - TV Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-09-26 20:36 +0000
                                                                        Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-27 00:03 +0000
                                                                          Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 08:21 +0100
                                                                        Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 08:15 +0100
                                                                          Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-27 10:16 +0100
                                                                            Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 12:48 +0100
                                                                              Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-27 16:16 +0100
                                                                      Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 08:07 +0100
                                                                        Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-27 10:20 +0100
                                                                          Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-27 13:18 +0200
                                                                            Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 13:06 +0100
                                                                              Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-27 14:25 +0200
                                                                                Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 17:32 +0100
                                                                              Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-27 16:22 +0100
                                                                                Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 17:34 +0100
                                                                          Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 12:50 +0100
                                                                            Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-27 14:25 +0200
                                                                              Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-27 16:25 +0100
                                                                                Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 17:32 +0100
                                                                              Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 17:30 +0100
                                                                            Re: OT - TV Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-09-27 15:04 +0000
                                                                              Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 17:39 +0100
                                                                                Re: OT - TV Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-09-27 19:58 +0000
                                                                                  Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-28 09:13 +0100
                                                                                    Re: OT - TV Abandoned Trolley <that.bloke@microsoft.com> - 2026-09-28 09:39 +0100
                                                                                      Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-28 11:26 +0100
                                                                                      Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-28 13:04 +0200
                                                                                        Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-28 16:42 +0100
                                                                                    Re: OT - TV Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-09-28 16:45 +0000
                                                                                      Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-28 17:53 +0100
                                                                                        Re: OT - TV Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-09-28 19:26 +0000
                                                                                          Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-29 10:25 +0100
                                                                                            Re: OT - TV Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-09-29 09:43 +0000
                                                                                              Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-29 10:56 +0100
                                                                                                Re: OT - TV Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-09-29 10:41 +0000
                                                                                                  Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-29 13:02 +0100
                                                                                                    Re: OT - TV Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-09-29 13:39 +0000
                                                                                                      Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-29 15:04 +0100
                                                                                                        Re: OT - TV Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-09-29 14:19 +0000
                                                                                                          Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-29 15:47 +0100
                                                                                                            Re: OT - TV Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-09-29 20:01 +0000
                                                                                                              Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-30 01:06 +0100
                                                                                                                Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-30 01:25 +0100
                                                                                                                Re: OT - TV Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-09-30 01:15 +0000
                                                                                                            Re: OT - TV Carlos <crazyhotwrse8@stinty.org> - 2026-10-03 20:41 -0400
                                                                                                              Re: OT - TV "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-10-03 21:28 -0400
                                                                                                          Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-29 17:16 +0100
                                                                                                            Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-29 18:50 +0100
                                                                                                              [OT] - power (was: Re: OT - TV) "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-29 19:05 +0100
                                                                                                                Re: [OT] - power The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-29 19:15 +0100
                                                                                                                Re: [OT] - power "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-30 11:48 +0200
                                                                                                                  Re: [OT] - power The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-30 12:00 +0100
                                                                                                                    Re: [OT] - power c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-30 15:30 -0400
                                                                                                                      Re: [OT] - power The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-01 12:47 +0100
                                                                                                                  Re: [OT] - power Chris Abraham <chris@gerriscorp.com> - 2026-09-30 13:28 -0400
                                                                                                                    Re: [OT] - power The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-01 12:24 +0100
                                                                                                            Re: OT - TV Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-29 14:58 -0400
                                                                                                              Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-30 01:04 +0100
                                                                                                              Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-30 11:52 +0200
                                                                                                                Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-30 12:01 +0100
                                                                                                                Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-30 17:36 +0000
                                                                                                                  Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-01 00:55 +0200
                                                                                                                    Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-01 03:57 +0000
                                                                                                            Re: OT - TV Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-10-04 10:40 +0100
                                                                                                              Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-04 11:29 +0100
                                                                                                              Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-04 15:59 +0100
                                                                                                                Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-04 18:25 +0100
                                                                                                                  [OT] energy (was: Re: OT - TV) "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-04 23:54 +0100
                                                                                                                    Re: [OT] energy (was: Re: OT - TV) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-05 00:57 +0000
                                                                                                                      Re: [OT] energy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-05 08:56 +0100
                                                                                                                        Re: [OT] energy "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-05 15:12 +0200
                                                                                                                          Re: [OT] energy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-05 16:04 +0100
                                                                                                                            Re: [OT] energy "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-05 19:31 +0200
                                                                                                                              Re: [OT] energy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-05 19:59 +0100
                                                                                                                          Re: [OT] energy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-05 19:04 +0000
                                                                                                                            Re: [OT] energy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-05 20:19 +0100
                                                                                                                            Re: [OT] energy "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-05 21:41 +0200
                                                                                                                              Re: [OT] energy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-06 01:39 +0000
                                                                                                                                Re: [OT] energy Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-07 10:27 +0100
                                                                                                                                  Re: [OT] energy "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-07 12:09 +0200
                                                                                                                                  Re: [OT] energy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-07 11:14 +0100
                                                                                                                              Re: [OT] energy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-06 08:27 +0100
                                                                                                                                Re: [OT] energy "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-06 12:06 +0200
                                                                                                                                  Re: [OT] energy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-06 11:37 +0100
                                                                                                                                    Re: [OT] energy "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-06 13:03 +0200
                                                                                                                                      Re: [OT] energy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-06 12:26 +0100
                                                                                                                                        Re: [OT] energy "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-06 13:45 +0200
                                                                                                                        Re: [OT] energy Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-06 03:52 +0000
                                                                                                                          Re: [OT] energy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-06 08:38 +0100
                                                                                                                          Re: [OT] energy Andreas Eder <a_eder_muc@web.de> - 2026-10-11 16:29 +0200
                                                                                                                            Re: [OT] energy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-12 10:51 +0100
                                                                                                                              Re: [OT] energy "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-12 13:30 +0200
                                                                                                                                Re: [OT] energy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-12 13:10 +0100
                                                                                                                                  Re: [OT] energy "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-12 14:43 +0200
                                                                                                                                    Re: [OT] energy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-12 14:10 +0100
                                                                                                                                      Re: [OT] energy "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-12 19:54 +0200
                                                                                                                    Re: [OT] energy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-05 08:51 +0100
                                                                                                                      Re: [OT] energy c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-05 04:40 -0400
                                                                                                                        Re: [OT] energy "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-05 15:19 +0200
                                                                                                                          Re: [OT] energy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-05 16:20 +0100
                                                                                                                            Re: [OT] energy "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-05 19:32 +0200
                                                                                                                              Re: [OT] energy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-05 20:02 +0100
                                                                                                                              Re: [OT] energy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-05 19:03 +0000
                                                                                                                                Re: [OT] energy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-05 20:13 +0100
                                                                                                                                Re: [OT] energy "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-05 21:42 +0200
                                                                                                                                  Re: [OT] energy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-06 01:37 +0000
                                                                                                                                    Re: [OT] energy Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-07 10:42 +0100
                                                                                                                                      Re: [OT] energy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-07 11:42 +0100
                                                                                                                                        Re: [OT] energy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-07 18:37 +0000
                                                                                                                                          Re: [OT] energy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-08 07:47 +0100
                                                                                                                                        Re: [OT] energy Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-08 01:20 +0100
                                                                                                                                          Re: [OT] energy "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-08 14:03 +0200
                                                                                                                                          Re: [OT] energy Andreas Eder <a_eder_muc@web.de> - 2026-10-11 16:28 +0200
                                                                                                                                            Re: [OT] energy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-12 10:49 +0100
                                                                                                                                  Re: [OT] energy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-06 08:35 +0100
                                                                                                                                    Re: [OT] energy "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-06 11:01 +0200
                                                                                                                                      Re: [OT] energy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-06 11:36 +0100
                                                                                                                                        Re: [OT] energy "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-06 13:12 +0200
                                                                                                                                          Re: [OT] energy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-06 12:52 +0100
                                                                                                                                            Re: [OT] energy "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-06 14:01 +0200
                                                                                                                                              Re: [OT] energy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-06 13:03 +0100
                                                                                                                                                Re: [OT] energy "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-06 14:05 +0200
                                                                                                                                                  Re: [OT] energy Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-07 10:57 +0100
                                                                                                                                                    Re: [OT] energy "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-07 12:14 +0200
                                                                                                                                                      Re: [OT] energy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-07 11:51 +0100
                                                                                                                                                        Re: [OT] energy "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-08 14:06 +0200
                                                                                                                                                      Re: [OT] energy Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-10 12:26 +0100
                                                                                                                                                        Re: [OT] energy "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-10 20:11 +0200
                                                                                                                                                    Re: [OT] energy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-07 11:48 +0100
                                                                                                                                                Re: [OT] energy "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-06 14:07 +0200
                                                                                                                                                  Re: [OT] energy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-06 13:38 +0100
                                                                                                                                                    Re: [OT] energy "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-06 14:46 +0200
                                                                                                                                                  Re: [OT] energy Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-07 11:03 +0100
                                                                                                                                                    Re: [OT] energy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-07 11:56 +0100
                                                                                                                                      Re: [OT] energy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-06 14:18 +0000
                                                                                                                                  Re: [OT] energy Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-07 10:33 +0100
                                                                                                                                    Re: [OT] energy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-07 11:22 +0100
                                                                                                                              Re: [OT] energy Andreas Eder <a_eder_muc@web.de> - 2026-10-11 14:14 +0200
                                                                                                                                Re: [OT] energy "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-11 21:33 +0200
                                                                                                                                  Re: [OT] energy "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-11 23:47 +0100
                                                                                                                                    Re: [OT] energy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-12 11:39 +0100
                                                                                                                                    Re: [OT] energy "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-12 13:31 +0200
                                                                                                                                  Re: [OT] energy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-12 11:39 +0100
                                                                                                                                    Re: [OT] energy "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-12 13:35 +0200
                                                                                                                                      Re: [OT] energy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-12 13:20 +0100
                                                                                                                                        Re: [OT] energy "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-12 21:50 +0200
                                                                                                                                          Re: [OT] energy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-13 08:20 +0100
                                                                                                                        Re: [OT] energy Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-10-12 23:18 +1100
                                                                                                                    Re: [OT] energy (was: Re: OT - TV) chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2026-10-05 06:40 -0500
                                                              Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-27 20:18 +1000
                                                                Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 12:54 +0100
                                                            Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-26 03:52 +0100
                                                              Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-26 19:41 +0100
                                                                Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-26 20:36 +0100
                                                        Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-25 20:58 +1000
                                                          Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-25 20:56 +0100
                                                  Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-24 22:24 +1000
                                                    Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-24 14:07 +0100
                                                Re: OT - TV Abandoned Trolley <that.bloke@microsoft.com> - 2026-09-24 12:53 +0100
                                                  Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-24 14:09 +0100
                                                  Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-24 18:56 +0000
                                                    Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-25 10:47 +0100
                                            Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-23 10:01 +0100
                                              OT - TV (was: Re: Killer price on a mini PC) "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-23 14:42 +0100
                                                Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-23 15:04 +0100
                                                  Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-23 15:55 +0100
                                                    Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-24 12:18 +0100
                                                      Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-24 19:50 +0100
                                                        Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-25 10:34 +0100
                                                          Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-25 21:10 +0100
                                                            Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-26 04:29 +0100
                                                              Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-26 05:12 +0000
                                                                Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-26 10:02 +0100
                                                                  Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-26 13:52 +0000
                                                                    Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-26 15:41 +0100
                                                                      Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-26 19:35 +0000
                                                        Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-25 21:30 +1000
                                                        Re: OT - TV Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-09-25 19:54 +0000
                                                          Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-25 21:14 +0100
                                                          Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-26 12:38 +0000
                                                            Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-26 20:06 +0100
                                                              Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-27 09:16 +0000
                                                                Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-27 10:30 +0100
                                                            Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-27 13:24 +0200
                                                              Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-27 14:35 +0000
                                                                Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-27 18:36 +0000
                                                                Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-28 14:02 +0200
                                                              Re: OT - TV Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-09-27 19:09 +0000
                                                                Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-28 14:03 +0200
                                                                  Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-28 14:46 +0000
                                                                    Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-29 09:22 +0200
                                                                      Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-29 09:00 +0000
                                                                        Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-29 10:49 +0100
                                                                          Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-29 18:46 +0000
                                                                            Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-30 01:02 +0100
                                                                              Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-30 01:57 +0000
                                                                            Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-30 22:07 +1000
                                                                              Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-30 14:30 +0100
                                                                                Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-30 17:42 +0000
                                                                                  Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-01 11:12 +0100
                                                                                    Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-01 20:51 +0000
                                                                                      Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-02 13:31 +0100
                                                                        Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-30 11:55 +0200
                                                                          Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-30 12:50 +0000
                                                                            Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-30 17:35 +0000
                                                                              Re: OT - TV c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-30 23:02 -0400
                                                                              Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-10-01 06:19 +0000
                                                                                Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-01 12:27 +0100
                                                                                  Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-01 20:22 +0000
                                                                                Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-01 20:20 +0000
                                                                                  Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-10-02 06:57 +0000
                                                                                    Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-02 13:22 +0100
                                                                                      Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-10-02 12:43 +0000
                                                                                        Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-02 19:21 +0000
                                                                                          Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-02 20:58 +0100
                                                                                            Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-03 01:09 +0000
                                                                                              Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-03 09:08 +0100
                                                                                                Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-03 19:28 +0000
                                                                                                  Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-04 09:14 +0100
                                                                                                  Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-04 12:11 +0200
                                                                                                    Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-04 11:29 +0100
                                                                                                      Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-04 13:31 +0200
                                                                                                        Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-04 17:44 +0000
                                                                                                          Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-04 20:19 +0200
                                                                                                    Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-04 17:37 +0000
                                                                                                      Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-04 20:29 +0200
                                                                                                    Re: OT - TV c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-04 23:56 -0400
                                                                                      Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-02 20:19 +0200
                                                                                        Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-02 20:25 +0200
                                                                                          Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-02 20:12 +0100
                                                                                          Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-03 00:48 +0000
                                                                                            Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-03 09:05 +0100
                                                                                            Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-03 13:43 +0200
                                                                                        Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-02 20:09 +0100
                                                                                          Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-02 21:49 +0200
                                                                                            Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-02 21:02 +0100
                                                                                              Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-02 22:18 +0200
                                                                                                Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-02 21:33 +0100
                                                                                          Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-03 00:58 +0000
                                                                                            Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-03 09:07 +0100
                                                                                  Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-10-02 07:07 +0000
                                                                                    Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-02 18:33 +0000
                                                                                  Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-02 13:13 +0100
                                                                                    Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-02 19:06 +0000
                                                                                      Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-02 20:51 +0100
                                                                                        Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-03 02:41 +0000
                                                                                          Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-03 09:31 +0100
                                                                                            Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-03 19:11 +0000
                                                                                              Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-04 09:10 +0100
                                                                                                Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-04 18:00 +0000
                                                                                              Re: OT - TV Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-04 18:33 +0000
                                                                                                Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-05 00:40 +0000
                                                                                                  Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-05 08:57 +0100
                                                                              Re: OT - TV Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-10-04 10:44 +0100
                                                                                Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-04 18:08 +0000
                                                                            Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-01 00:59 +0200
                                                                              Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-10-01 06:12 +0000
                                                                                Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-01 13:02 +0100
                                                                                Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-01 15:28 +0200
                                                                                  Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-10-01 14:28 +0000
                                                                                Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-01 21:03 +0000
                                                                          Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-30 17:27 +0000
                                                                            Re: OT - TV Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-09-30 18:27 +0000
                                                                            Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-01 01:03 +0200
                                                                              Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-01 03:31 +0000
                                                                              Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-01 11:29 +0100
                                                                            Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-01 02:10 +0100
                                                                            Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-01 11:23 +0100
                                                                              Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-01 20:36 +0000
                                                                                Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-02 13:24 +0100
                                                                                  Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-02 18:47 +0000
                                                                                    Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-02 20:34 +0100
                                                                                      Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-03 02:50 +0000
                                                                                        Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-03 09:46 +0100
                                                                                          Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-03 19:51 +0000
                                                                              Re: OT - TV Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2026-10-02 03:59 +0000
                                                                                Re: OT - TV Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-02 18:17 +0000
                                                Re: OT - TV (was: Re: Killer price on a mini PC) Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-23 15:04 +0000
                                                  Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-23 16:28 +0100
                                                    Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-23 15:51 +0000
                                                  Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-24 12:20 +0100
                                                    Re: OT - TV Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-09-24 18:26 +0000
                                                      Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-25 09:20 +0100
                                                    Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-24 18:44 +0000
                                                      Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-25 09:27 +0100
                                                        Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-25 17:55 +0000
                                                        Re: OT - TV Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-09-25 19:14 +0000
                                                          Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-26 03:43 +0100
                                        Re: Killer price on a mini PC Mark Lloyd <not.email@all.invalid> - 2026-09-22 16:05 +0000
                                          Re: Killer price on a mini PC Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2026-09-22 18:19 +0000
                                          Re: Killer price on a mini PC rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-22 18:31 +0000
                                          Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-23 09:45 +0100
                                            Re: Killer price on a mini PC Mark Lloyd <not.email@all.invalid> - 2026-09-23 14:41 +0000
                                              Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-24 12:09 +0100
                                                Re: Killer price on a mini PC c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-26 03:14 -0400
                                                  Re: Killer price on a mini PC Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-26 12:10 +0000
                                                    Re: Killer price on a mini PC c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-26 21:55 -0400
                                                      OT - TV (now radio) (was: Re: Killer price on a mini PC) "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-27 09:49 +0100
                                                        Re: OT - TV (now radio) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-27 13:32 +0200

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#93701 — Re: OT - TV

Fromrbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Date2026-10-14 18:17 +0000
SubjectRe: OT - TV
Message-ID<nj9v94Fc9lcU28@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#93648
On Wed, 14 Oct 2026 05:06:23 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:

> You could lay the seats of a Nash Rambler down flat for a good-sized
> bed. I just remembered that our 1998 Honda CR-V could pretty much
> duplicate that feat; besides being pretty comfortable to sleep in, it
> gave us our own living room in which we played cards, etc. during a
> 5-hour ferry wait.

https://www.curbsideclassic.com/curbside-classics-american/curbside-
classic-1962-rambler-classic-the-peak-rambler-experience/

My father bought one of these, primarily because it had 15" wheels rather 
than the 13 and 14" wheels the industry was going to. He hated small 
wheels. He had no problem when I bought a Harley at a police auction but 
he absolutely forbid me from purchasing a Vespa scooter or the like. I've 
come to the same conclusion.

The Rambler was notorious among the parents of teenage girls because of 
that feature. That wasn't a real problem since the car wasn't a babe 
magnet. At 16 with a freshly minted license I was eager to drive anything 
but dreamed of something better. The car gave me a dislike of anything 
Romney, George, Mitt, or whatever.

My father wasn't happy with it either so it was the shortest duration 
family car. He soon went back to the mainstream with a Dodge.

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#93642 — Re: OT - TV

Fromrbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Date2026-10-14 04:32 +0000
SubjectRe: OT - TV
Message-ID<nj8evbFc9lcU19@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#93610
On Tue, 13 Oct 2026 19:47:53 +0100, J. P. Gilliver wrote:

> No; if you're willing to do the hard slog yourself, go ahead! And yes, I
> do appreciate that AI results can be misleading.

I just finished Craig Stanfill's latest book 'Carbon Zero'. A researcher 
tasks her AI to reduce the carbon footprint to zero. The AI concludes 
exterminating the human race would be most effective. Chaos ensues.

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#93647 — Re: OT - TV

FromCharlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>
Date2026-10-14 05:06 +0000
SubjectRe: OT - TV
Message-ID<i5EzS.836$s7Ic.112@fx33.iad>
In reply to#93642
On 2026-10-14, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

> On Tue, 13 Oct 2026 19:47:53 +0100, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
>
>> No; if you're willing to do the hard slog yourself, go ahead! And yes, I
>> do appreciate that AI results can be misleading.
>
> I just finished Craig Stanfill's latest book 'Carbon Zero'. A researcher 
> tasks her AI to reduce the carbon footprint to zero. The AI concludes 
> exterminating the human race would be most effective. Chaos ensues.

The latest "Law and Order" (first of the new season) features an AI
that puts out a contract on a programmer who wanted to add guardrails.
Who needs killer robots?

-- 
/~\  Charlie Gibbs                  |  In this world there are
\ /  <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>      |  two kinds of people:
 X   I'm really at ac.dekanfrus     |  1. Those who can extrapolate
/ \  if you read it the right way.  |  from incomplete data.

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#93702 — Re: OT - TV

Fromrbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Date2026-10-14 18:26 +0000
SubjectRe: OT - TV
Message-ID<nj9vqrFc9lcU29@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#93647
On Wed, 14 Oct 2026 05:06:22 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:

> On 2026-10-14, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
> 
>> On Tue, 13 Oct 2026 19:47:53 +0100, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
>>
>>> No; if you're willing to do the hard slog yourself, go ahead! And yes,
>>> I do appreciate that AI results can be misleading.
>>
>> I just finished Craig Stanfill's latest book 'Carbon Zero'. A
>> researcher tasks her AI to reduce the carbon footprint to zero. The AI
>> concludes exterminating the human race would be most effective. Chaos
>> ensues.
> 
> The latest "Law and Order" (first of the new season) features an AI that
> puts out a contract on a programmer who wanted to add guardrails.
> Who needs killer robots?

Another book I read recently was Holly Chism's 'Certified Public 
Assassin'.  The CPAs are legally recognized and able to eliminate scumbags 
that escaped legal penalties. Of course the charter exempts politicians 
but that changes. Add that to an AI...

The heroine often takes a office temp gig to get close to her target and 
when asked can truthfully say 'Oh, I'm just a CPA.'

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#93852 — Re: OT - TV

FromDaniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org>
Date2026-10-16 22:49 +1100
SubjectRe: OT - TV
Message-ID<11at312$38nh6$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#93642
On 14/10/2026 3:32 pm, rbowman wrote:
> On Tue, 13 Oct 2026 19:47:53 +0100, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
> 
>> No; if you're willing to do the hard slog yourself, go ahead! And yes, I
>> do appreciate that AI results can be misleading.
> 
> I just finished Craig Stanfill's latest book 'Carbon Zero'. A researcher
> tasks her AI to reduce the carbon footprint to zero. The AI concludes
> exterminating the human race would be most effective. Chaos ensues.
> 
.... but how does the AI counter-act it's own Carbon Foot-print??

-- 
Daniel70

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#93872 — Re: OT - TV

FromThe Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Date2026-10-16 15:37 +0100
SubjectRe: OT - TV
Message-ID<11atcqv$3bqcl$5@dont-email.me>
In reply to#93852
On 16/10/2026 12:49, Daniel70 wrote:
> On 14/10/2026 3:32 pm, rbowman wrote:
>> On Tue, 13 Oct 2026 19:47:53 +0100, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
>>
>>> No; if you're willing to do the hard slog yourself, go ahead! And yes, I
>>> do appreciate that AI results can be misleading.
>>
>> I just finished Craig Stanfill's latest book 'Carbon Zero'. A researcher
>> tasks her AI to reduce the carbon footprint to zero. The AI concludes
>> exterminating the human race would be most effective. Chaos ensues.
>>
> .... but how does the AI counter-act it's own Carbon Foot-print??
> 
It tells you to build nuclear power stations
-- 
Truth welcomes investigation because truth knows investigation will lead 
to converts. It is deception that uses all the other techniques.

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#93623 — Re: OT - TV

FromPaul <nospam@needed.invalid>
Date2026-10-13 16:28 -0400
SubjectRe: OT - TV
Message-ID<11am49i$srup$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#93606
On Tue, 10/13/2026 2:16 PM, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
> On 2026-10-13, J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
> 
>> On 2026/10/13 12:8:51, JMB99 wrote:
>>
>>> This seems to confirm what I thought
>>>
>>> "AI Overview
>>>
>>> About 92 percent of new cars ordered in the UK are automatic 
>>> transmissions, while manual cars make up only about 7.9 percent of 
>>> delivered new vehicles."
>>
>> Coul you re-ask the AI, specifying fuel-only cars?
> 
> This implies, I presume, that results of searches that
> do not involve AI are inadmissable to this discussion.  ;-)
> 

For some questions that come up, you know immediately, without
looking, the quality of the statistics are poor or non-existent.

One of my favorite questions, is the "Year Of The Linux Desktop".
Where we have statscounter and the error bars are huge. Doing
a conventional search, isn't going to help for that one.

Having an LLM-AI do a "wet-finger" is better than nothing.
It still counts as an estimate, and not necessarily more
trustworthy (without cites to back it up).

I like presenting some LLM-AI results, for their comedy value.
Such as when it writes programs. the machines you don't pay for,
can be pretty lazy as helpers. The worst answer I got (the problem
given not even looking like a homework problem), was instead
of an answer I got "You should do your own homework" :-)
I'm pretty proud of that one.

   Paul

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#93609 — Re: OT - TV

FromThe Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Date2026-10-13 19:36 +0100
SubjectRe: OT - TV
Message-ID<11altob$ocpj$8@dont-email.me>
In reply to#93601
On 13/10/2026 18:52, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
> On 2026/10/13 12:8:51, JMB99 wrote:
>> This seems to confirm what I thought
>>
>>
>>
>> "AI Overview
>>
>> About 92 percent of new cars ordered in the UK are automatic
>> transmissions, while manual cars make up only about 7.9 percent of
>> delivered new vehicles."
>>
> Coul you re-ask the AI, specifying fuel-only cars?
> 

"In 2026, manual gearboxes account for only 7.9% to 8% of new car orders 
and enquiries in the UK, with approximately 92% of new vehicles ordered 
being automatic.

However, looking specifically at the internal combustion engine (ICE) 
market, data from Vehicle Data Global shows that 34% of pure fuel cars 
(petrol and diesel) were still being optioned with a manual gearbox 
heading into the year, down from 55% in 2019. When looking at the entire 
new car market—which includes hybrids and EVs that are exclusively 
automatic—the overall share of manual registrations stands at 13.7%

>>
>> Many new drivers are taught on automatics so would need a further test
>> to drive a manual car.
>>
> Really? I thought automatic-only test-sitting - whatever it is intended
> eventually to drive - was (in England) the exception rather than the
> rule, used mainly by those who find driving _at all_ difficult.>
>>
Well it is for sure that you cant drive a manual without passing a test 
in one

Or an HGV or PSV...

But as far as manual transmissions go, software multi ratio boxes, and 
the demise of torque converters have made automatics almost as good as 
manuals on performance and price...the Ford Focus comes with an 8 speed 
auto box these days, although even that may be out of date - most are 
now Hybrids

-- 
Any fool can believe in principles -  and most of them do!


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#93616 — Re: OT - TV

From"J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk>
Date2026-10-13 20:08 +0100
SubjectRe: OT - TV
Message-ID<11alvim$r058$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#93609
On 2026/10/13 19:36:59, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 13/10/2026 18:52, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
>> On 2026/10/13 12:8:51, JMB99 wrote:
[SNIP]
>>> Many new drivers are taught on automatics so would need a further test
>>> to drive a manual car.
>>>
>> Really? I thought automatic-only test-sitting - whatever it is intended
>> eventually to drive - was (in England) the exception rather than the
>> rule, used mainly by those who find driving _at all_ difficult.>
>>>
> Well it is for sure that you cant drive a manual without passing a test 
> in one
> 
> Or an HGV or PSV...

In UK. I don't _think_ US has the two types of licence - I can't speak
for other countries. I think a US visitor to UK can legally drive a
manual, even if has never done so - for as long as their licence remains
valid in the UK (2 or 3 years, I think). Whether they can get
_insurance_, I don't know - I would _hope_ hire companies, for example,
ask the question, but how easy it is for them to check the honesty of
the answer, I don't know.>
> But as far as manual transmissions go, software multi ratio boxes, and 
> the demise of torque converters have made automatics almost as good as 
> manuals on performance and price...the Ford Focus comes with an 8 speed 
> auto box these days, although even that may be out of date - most are 
> now Hybrids
> 
8, really? Things have come on! When I started driving (1980s), most
automatics (in UK) were three-speed, with those on particularly small
engines four.

(I remember seeing prog.s about ones that had in effect a clutch per
gear and automatic control of those, rather than the fluid
torque-converter type, but they were the exception, possibly only for
vehicles other than cars.)
-- 
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()ALIS-Ch++(p)Ar++T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

"English doesn't borrow from other languages.  It follows them down
dark alleys, clubs them on the head, and rifles through their pockets
for loose grammar." [This quote just came up at random from my quotes
file, but is somewhat relevant to recent discussions in some other
branches of this huge OT thread!]

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#93649 — Re: OT - TV

Fromrbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Date2026-10-14 05:07 +0000
SubjectRe: OT - TV
Message-ID<nj8h1bFc9lcU22@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#93616
On Tue, 13 Oct 2026 20:08:05 +0100, J. P. Gilliver wrote:

> In UK. I don't _think_ US has the two types of licence - I can't speak
> for other countries. I think a US visitor to UK can legally drive a
> manual, even if has never done so - for as long as their licence remains
> valid in the UK (2 or 3 years, I think). Whether they can get
> _insurance_, I don't know - I would _hope_ hire companies, for example,
> ask the question, but how easy it is for them to check the honesty of
> the answer, I don't know.>

Each state in the US has its own license requirements but I've never hit 
one that had a restriction for non-commercial licenses. A motorcycle 
endorsement is separate and requires a road test and written exam but 
that's good forever. I just renewed my license and it's $2 extra.

I gave up my commercial license (CDL) long ago and never drove an 
automatic truck. ATs in trucks have become more common and now if you take 
your road test with a AT there is a restriction on your license so you 
can't drive a MT. Someone who only has drive ATs probably won't get far in 
a 9 speed MT anyway. 

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#93613 — Re: OT - TV

From"Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>
Date2026-10-13 20:59 +0200
SubjectRe: OT - TV
Message-ID<3lb2qmx0jv.ln2@Telcontar.valinor>
In reply to#93601
On 2026-10-13 19:52, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
> On 2026/10/13 12:8:51, JMB99 wrote:
>> This seems to confirm what I thought
>>
>>
>>
>> "AI Overview
>>
>> About 92 percent of new cars ordered in the UK are automatic
>> transmissions, while manual cars make up only about 7.9 percent of
>> delivered new vehicles."
>>
> Coul you re-ask the AI, specifying fuel-only cars?
> 
>>
>> Many new drivers are taught on automatics so would need a further test
>> to drive a manual car.
>>
> Really? I thought automatic-only test-sitting - whatever it is intended
> eventually to drive - was (in England) the exception rather than the
> rule, used mainly by those who find driving _at all_ difficult.>

I just noticed a driving school car that stopped to let me cross the 
street at a designated crossing. I noticed that when I passed it 
stalled, something that is typical of novices with a manual shift :-)

My guess is that driving students choose to learn with a manual, because 
the license allows them to drive any car. More useful. And possibly 
manual cars are smaller and cheaper.

-- 
Cheers, Carlos.
ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;

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#93618 — Re: OT - TV

From"J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk>
Date2026-10-13 20:16 +0100
SubjectRe: OT - TV
Message-ID<11am01r$r69f$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#93613
On 2026/10/13 19:59:15, Carlos E.R. wrote:
[]
> I just noticed a driving school car that stopped to let me cross the 
> street at a designated crossing. I noticed that when I passed it 
> stalled, something that is typical of novices with a manual shift :-)
> 
> My guess is that driving students choose to learn with a manual, because 
> the license allows them to drive any car. More useful. And possibly 

I'm sure you are right for someone learning to drive, for that licence
reason; but there are (or were? Not sure if still) models that turn off
the engine whenever the car is stationary for more than a preset short
period. they have bigger batteries for all the extra starts, and I think
_may_ have regen. braking to help keep it charged - so could be (and no
doubt are) called hybrids, but they aren't really, in that there is no
electric _propulsion_ involved. [Are those what are/were called "mild
hybrids"?]


> manual cars are smaller and cheaper.
> 
I think so, still, at least for basic models. Though
tariffs/quotas/whatever may change that, if it hasn't already.
-- 
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()ALIS-Ch++(p)Ar++T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

"English doesn't borrow from other languages.  It follows them down
dark alleys, clubs them on the head, and rifles through their pockets
for loose grammar."

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#93622 — Re: OT - TV

From"Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>
Date2026-10-13 22:16 +0200
SubjectRe: OT - TV
Message-ID<b5g2qmx3rg.ln2@Telcontar.valinor>
In reply to#93618
On 2026-10-13 21:16, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
> On 2026/10/13 19:59:15, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> []
>> I just noticed a driving school car that stopped to let me cross the
>> street at a designated crossing. I noticed that when I passed it
>> stalled, something that is typical of novices with a manual shift :-)
>>
>> My guess is that driving students choose to learn with a manual, because
>> the license allows them to drive any car. More useful. And possibly
> 
> I'm sure you are right for someone learning to drive, for that licence
> reason; but there are (or were? Not sure if still) models that turn off
> the engine whenever the car is stationary for more than a preset short
> period. they have bigger batteries for all the extra starts, and I think
> _may_ have regen. braking to help keep it charged - so could be (and no
> doubt are) called hybrids, but they aren't really, in that there is no
> electric _propulsion_ involved. [Are those what are/were called "mild
> hybrids"?]

start-stop system. I had one, and I liked it; an Opel Corsa diesel. It 
saves some fuel on city traffic. It just stops the motor when you are 
stopped in neutral. Mine restarted the motor after a few minutes, or of 
course, when footing the clutch. It is not an hybrid.

I saw another model from Peugeot that used a secondary battery for this 
system.

Some cars use the alternator to start.

> 
> 
>> manual cars are smaller and cheaper.
>>
> I think so, still, at least for basic models. Though
> tariffs/quotas/whatever may change that, if it hasn't already.


-- 
Cheers, Carlos.
ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;

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#93626 — Re: OT - TV

FromAndy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk>
Date2026-10-13 23:15 +0100
SubjectRe: OT - TV
Message-ID<nj7osiFqnsmU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#93622
"Carlos E.R." wrote:

> start-stop system. I had one, and I liked it; an Opel Corsa diesel. It 
> saves some fuel on city traffic. It just stops the motor when you are 
> stopped in neutral. Mine restarted the motor after a few minutes, or of 
> course, when footing the clutch. It is not an hybrid.
> 
> I saw another model from Peugeot that used a secondary battery for this 
> system.
> 
> Some cars use the alternator to start.

My last one did that, needed a larger battery than normal.
Had to have a new fan belt and pulley tensioner at 2 years old (warranty 
replacement)

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#93627 — Re: OT - TV

FromCharlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>
Date2026-10-13 23:52 +0000
SubjectRe: OT - TV
Message-ID<GuzzS.2$1l6.0@fx42.iad>
In reply to#93626
On 2026-10-13, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:

> "Carlos E.R." wrote:
>
>> start-stop system. I had one, and I liked it; an Opel Corsa diesel. It 
>> saves some fuel on city traffic. It just stops the motor when you are 
>> stopped in neutral. Mine restarted the motor after a few minutes, or of 
>> course, when footing the clutch. It is not an hybrid.
>> 
>> I saw another model from Peugeot that used a secondary battery for this 
>> system.
>> 
>> Some cars use the alternator to start.
>
> My last one did that, needed a larger battery than normal.
> Had to have a new fan belt and pulley tensioner at 2 years old (warranty 
> replacement)

Just out of curiosity, how's the starter life on these cars?
The starter is being used probably 10 times as much as
cars that don't stop and start at every light.

A mechanic friend pointed out that there is also 10 times
as great a probability that you're going to break a tooth
on the flywheel.  That would get into big bucks.

-- 
/~\  Charlie Gibbs                  |  In this world there are
\ /  <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>      |  two kinds of people:
 X   I'm really at ac.dekanfrus     |  1. Those who can extrapolate
/ \  if you read it the right way.  |  from incomplete data.

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#93629 — Re: OT - TV

FromPaul <nospam@needed.invalid>
Date2026-10-13 20:39 -0400
SubjectRe: OT - TV
Message-ID<11amivc$11quj$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#93627
On Tue, 10/13/2026 7:52 PM, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
> On 2026-10-13, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:
> 
>> "Carlos E.R." wrote:
>>
>>> start-stop system. I had one, and I liked it; an Opel Corsa diesel. It 
>>> saves some fuel on city traffic. It just stops the motor when you are 
>>> stopped in neutral. Mine restarted the motor after a few minutes, or of 
>>> course, when footing the clutch. It is not an hybrid.
>>>
>>> I saw another model from Peugeot that used a secondary battery for this 
>>> system.
>>>
>>> Some cars use the alternator to start.
>>
>> My last one did that, needed a larger battery than normal.
>> Had to have a new fan belt and pulley tensioner at 2 years old (warranty 
>> replacement)
> 
> Just out of curiosity, how's the starter life on these cars?
> The starter is being used probably 10 times as much as
> cars that don't stop and start at every light.
> 
> A mechanic friend pointed out that there is also 10 times
> as great a probability that you're going to break a tooth
> on the flywheel.  That would get into big bucks.
> 

Various bits get redesigned.

https://www.powerelectronictips.com/understanding-stop-start-automobile-engine-design-part-4-mechanical-wear-issues/

   Paul

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#93636 — Re: OT - TV

FromCharlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>
Date2026-10-14 03:21 +0000
SubjectRe: OT - TV
Message-ID<NyCzS.2$Rkm.1@fx36.iad>
In reply to#93629
On 2026-10-14, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:

> On Tue, 10/13/2026 7:52 PM, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>
>> On 2026-10-13, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:
>> 
>>> "Carlos E.R." wrote:
>>>
>>>> start-stop system. I had one, and I liked it; an Opel Corsa diesel. It 
>>>> saves some fuel on city traffic. It just stops the motor when you are 
>>>> stopped in neutral. Mine restarted the motor after a few minutes, or of 
>>>> course, when footing the clutch. It is not an hybrid.
>>>>
>>>> I saw another model from Peugeot that used a secondary battery for this 
>>>> system.
>>>>
>>>> Some cars use the alternator to start.
>>>
>>> My last one did that, needed a larger battery than normal.
>>> Had to have a new fan belt and pulley tensioner at 2 years old (warranty 
>>> replacement)
>> 
>> Just out of curiosity, how's the starter life on these cars?
>> The starter is being used probably 10 times as much as
>> cars that don't stop and start at every light.
>> 
>> A mechanic friend pointed out that there is also 10 times
>> as great a probability that you're going to break a tooth
>> on the flywheel.  That would get into big bucks.
>> 
>
> Various bits get redesigned.
>
> https://www.powerelectronictips.com/understanding-stop-start-automobile-engine-design-part-4-mechanical-wear-issues/

Wow.  Looks like some people have actually been giving this
some thought.  I guess I've just become too jaded by decades
of exposure to shitty software design.  I'm saving those
references for when I have time to read more of them.

I am gratified to see that my 10x estimate is on the money.
Looks like my brain's SWAG (scientific wild-assed guess)
mechanism is still in good working order.

-- 
/~\  Charlie Gibbs                  |  In this world there are
\ /  <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>      |  two kinds of people:
 X   I'm really at ac.dekanfrus     |  1. Those who can extrapolate
/ \  if you read it the right way.  |  from incomplete data.

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#93651 — Re: OT - TV

Fromc186282 <c186282@nnada.net>
Date2026-10-14 01:18 -0400
SubjectRe: OT - TV
Message-ID<tnGdnbPd1pIhjVL3nZ2dnZfqnPadnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#93636
On 10/13/26 23:21, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
> On 2026-10-14, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:
> 
>> On Tue, 10/13/2026 7:52 PM, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>>
>>> On 2026-10-13, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Carlos E.R." wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> start-stop system. I had one, and I liked it; an Opel Corsa diesel. It
>>>>> saves some fuel on city traffic. It just stops the motor when you are
>>>>> stopped in neutral. Mine restarted the motor after a few minutes, or of
>>>>> course, when footing the clutch. It is not an hybrid.
>>>>>
>>>>> I saw another model from Peugeot that used a secondary battery for this
>>>>> system.
>>>>>
>>>>> Some cars use the alternator to start.
>>>>
>>>> My last one did that, needed a larger battery than normal.
>>>> Had to have a new fan belt and pulley tensioner at 2 years old (warranty
>>>> replacement)
>>>
>>> Just out of curiosity, how's the starter life on these cars?
>>> The starter is being used probably 10 times as much as
>>> cars that don't stop and start at every light.
>>>
>>> A mechanic friend pointed out that there is also 10 times
>>> as great a probability that you're going to break a tooth
>>> on the flywheel.  That would get into big bucks.
>>>
>>
>> Various bits get redesigned.
>>
>> https://www.powerelectronictips.com/understanding-stop-start-automobile-engine-design-part-4-mechanical-wear-issues/
> 
> Wow.  Looks like some people have actually been giving this
> some thought.  I guess I've just become too jaded by decades
> of exposure to shitty software design.  I'm saving those
> references for when I have time to read more of them.
> 
> I am gratified to see that my 10x estimate is on the money.
> Looks like my brain's SWAG (scientific wild-assed guess)
> mechanism is still in good working order.
> 

   Shitty software design - nothing THAT new, but
   getting worse and worse.

   AI will make it not only 'worse' but far more
   incomprehensible.

   What DOES it do and WHY ? Nobody will KNOW
   with AI-designed software. It's already beyond
   most human comprehension. Two or three years ...

   As for "SWAG" ... nothing new there. It'll
   just get Even Worse, fast.

   For fun, and because it was cheap, I bought
   a CHAT subscription. $20 ... not so bad.
   Had it do a few fun images - plus a non-
   blocking server in Python. Haven't fully
   tested that yet, but LOOKS ok. Not so
   much different from human-writ examples
   we can find online.

   Frankly 'servers' are more traditionally
   writ in 'C' - and have done some - but
   for lower-speed stuff Python will do fine.
   That's all I need now.

   DO look into 'threaded' and 'dynamically
   threaded' servers - very highest performance.
   Not AS easy to follow, but for outward-facing
   servers with high-volume, still The Best.

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#93673 — Re: OT - TV

From"Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>
Date2026-10-14 12:42 +0200
SubjectRe: OT - TV
Message-ID<gu24qmxp0v.ln2@Telcontar.valinor>
In reply to#93629
On 2026-10-14 02:39, Paul wrote:
> On Tue, 10/13/2026 7:52 PM, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>> On 2026-10-13, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> "Carlos E.R." wrote:
>>>
>>>> start-stop system. I had one, and I liked it; an Opel Corsa diesel. It
>>>> saves some fuel on city traffic. It just stops the motor when you are
>>>> stopped in neutral. Mine restarted the motor after a few minutes, or of
>>>> course, when footing the clutch. It is not an hybrid.
>>>>
>>>> I saw another model from Peugeot that used a secondary battery for this
>>>> system.
>>>>
>>>> Some cars use the alternator to start.
>>>
>>> My last one did that, needed a larger battery than normal.
>>> Had to have a new fan belt and pulley tensioner at 2 years old (warranty
>>> replacement)
>>
>> Just out of curiosity, how's the starter life on these cars?
>> The starter is being used probably 10 times as much as
>> cars that don't stop and start at every light.
>>
>> A mechanic friend pointed out that there is also 10 times
>> as great a probability that you're going to break a tooth
>> on the flywheel.  That would get into big bucks.
>>
> 
> Various bits get redesigned.
> 
> https://www.powerelectronictips.com/understanding-stop-start-automobile-engine-design-part-4-mechanical-wear-issues/

Interesting.



-- 
Cheers, Carlos.
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#93655 — Re: OT - TV

FromAndy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk>
Date2026-10-14 08:02 +0100
SubjectRe: OT - TV
Message-ID<nj8nopFkf2U1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#93627
Charlie Gibbs wrote:

> Just out of curiosity, how's the starter life on these cars?
> The starter is being used probably 10 times as much as
> cars that don't stop and start at every light.

I had the car for 8 years, it was ok for that time, which I'd expect, I 
don't aim to own cars for long enough for them to start going wrong.

> A mechanic friend pointed out that there is also 10 times
> as great a probability that you're going to break a tooth
> on the flywheel.  That would get into big bucks.

It had a 'normal' pinion starter (i.e. with teeth) but when it did the 
stop/start trick, it used the alternator as a secondary starter, and the 
start was much quicker than a cold start, so it turned the engine via 
the ribbed 'fan' belt, therefore no teeth to break.

It had rules for when it would use stop/start (oil temp not too cold, 
battery charge not too low, aircon not working too hard, etc)

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