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| Started by | "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> |
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| First post | 2026-09-15 21:48 -0400 |
| Last post | 2026-10-02 18:47 +0000 |
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Killer price on a mini PC "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-09-15 21:48 -0400
Re: Killer price on a mini PC Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> - 2026-09-16 03:17 +0000
Re: Killer price on a mini PC "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-09-15 23:35 -0400
Re: Killer price on a mini PC T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-18 21:29 -0700
Re: Killer price on a mini PC c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-19 01:51 -0400
Re: Killer price on a mini PC Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-19 09:36 -0400
Re: Killer price on a mini PC T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-19 12:03 -0700
Re: Killer price on a mini PC c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-20 01:49 -0400
Re: Killer price on a mini PC T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-21 02:44 -0700
Re: Killer price on a mini PC Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-21 20:29 +1000
Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-21 22:45 +0100
Re: Killer price on a mini PC rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-22 02:30 +0000
Re: Killer price on a mini PC Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-22 20:38 +1000
Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-22 12:43 +0100
Re: Killer price on a mini PC Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-22 17:38 +0100
Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-23 09:46 +0100
Re: Killer price on a mini PC Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-22 21:47 +1000
Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-22 12:54 +0100
Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-22 17:59 +0100
Re: Killer price on a mini PC Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-21 11:38 -0400
Re: Killer price on a mini PC T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-21 18:13 -0700
Re: Killer price on a mini PC rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-22 03:22 +0000
Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-22 06:56 +0100
Re: Killer price on a mini PC rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-22 07:19 +0000
Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-22 11:24 +0100
Re: Killer price on a mini PC c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-23 00:15 -0400
Re: Killer price on a mini PC T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-22 01:54 -0700
Re: Killer price on a mini PC Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-16 07:24 -0400
Re: Killer price on a mini PC Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-09-16 12:36 +0100
Re: Killer price on a mini PC Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-16 10:11 -0400
Re: Killer price on a mini PC "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-09-17 12:20 -0400
Re: Killer price on a mini PC Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-17 12:58 -0400
Re: Killer price on a mini PC "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-09-17 13:26 -0400
Re: Killer price on a mini PC c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-18 00:49 -0400
Re: Killer price on a mini PC Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-18 08:10 -0400
Re: Killer price on a mini PC rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-18 20:01 +0000
Re: Killer price on a mini PC "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-09-18 16:23 -0400
Re: Killer price on a mini PC Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-09-18 17:42 -0400
Re: Killer price on a mini PC "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-09-18 18:09 -0400
Re: Killer price on a mini PC rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-18 23:02 +0000
Re: Killer price on a mini PC c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-19 01:08 -0400
Re: Killer price on a mini PC c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-19 00:33 -0400
Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-18 21:20 +0100
Re: Killer price on a mini PC Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid> - 2026-09-18 16:05 -0500
Re: Killer price on a mini PC "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-09-18 17:09 -0400
Re: Killer price on a mini PC Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-18 17:19 -0400
Re: Killer price on a mini PC Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-09-18 17:47 -0400
Re: Killer price on a mini PC Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2026-09-18 22:10 +0000
Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-18 23:13 +0100
Re: Killer price on a mini PC Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-19 19:56 +1000
Re: Killer price on a mini PC Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-19 09:42 -0400
Re: Killer price on a mini PC Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-20 21:24 +1000
Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-20 19:18 +0100
Re: Killer price on a mini PC Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-21 04:51 -0400
Re: Killer price on a mini PC Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-21 19:18 +1000
Re: Killer price on a mini PC Chris Abraham <chris@gerriscorp.com> - 2026-09-21 13:13 -0400
Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-21 23:33 +0100
Re: Killer price on a mini PC Chris Abraham <chris@gerriscorp.com> - 2026-09-21 18:46 -0400
Re: Killer price on a mini PC Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-22 20:52 +1000
Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-22 20:02 +0100
Re: Killer price on a mini PC Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-23 21:21 +1000
Re: Killer price on a mini PC Mark Lloyd <not.email@all.invalid> - 2026-09-19 18:33 +0000
Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-19 21:24 +0100
Re: Killer price on a mini PC Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-20 04:03 -0400
Re: Killer price on a mini PC c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-20 04:21 -0400
screen shape/orientation (was: Re: Killer price on a mini PC) "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-20 10:31 +0100
Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-20 10:45 +0100
Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-20 10:57 +0100
Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-20 10:39 +0100
Re: Killer price on a mini PC Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-20 15:04 +0100
Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-20 19:29 +0100
Re: Killer price on a mini PC Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-20 22:47 +0100
Re: Killer price on a mini PC Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-20 20:36 -0400
Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-21 12:14 +0100
Re: Killer price on a mini PC chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2026-09-20 11:26 -0500
Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-20 19:32 +0100
Re: Killer price on a mini PC Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-21 06:16 -0400
Re: Killer price on a mini PC Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-21 12:41 +0000
Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-21 14:30 +0100
Re: Killer price on a mini PC Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-22 20:57 +1000
Re: Killer price on a mini PC Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-21 12:01 -0400
Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-21 17:19 +0100
Re: Killer price on a mini PC chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2026-09-21 16:02 -0500
Re: Killer price on a mini PC Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-21 19:23 -0400
Re: Killer price on a mini PC rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-22 03:30 +0000
Re: Killer price on a mini PC "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-22 14:12 +0200
Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-22 13:47 +0100
Re: Killer price on a mini PC "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-22 19:29 +0200
Re: Killer price on a mini PC Mark Lloyd <not.email@all.invalid> - 2026-09-21 14:26 +0000
Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-21 16:36 +0100
Re: Killer price on a mini PC Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-09-21 18:44 +0000
Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-21 22:29 +0100
Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-21 23:34 +0100
Re: Killer price on a mini PC Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-22 08:28 -0400
Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-22 13:49 +0100
Re: Killer price on a mini PC "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-22 19:40 +0200
Re: Killer price on a mini PC Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-23 07:43 +0000
Re: Killer price on a mini PC "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-23 12:38 +0200
Re: Killer price on a mini PC Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-23 12:11 +0000
Re: Killer price on a mini PC "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-23 19:55 +0200
Re: Killer price on a mini PC Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-09-23 19:20 +0100
Re: Killer price on a mini PC c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-24 00:27 -0400
Re: Killer price on a mini PC Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2026-09-24 23:31 +0000
Re: Killer price on a mini PC Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-09-25 09:18 +0100
Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-25 11:05 +0100
Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-25 21:18 +0100
Re: Killer price on a mini PC c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-26 04:13 -0400
Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-26 18:55 +0100
Re: Killer price on a mini PC Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-25 20:43 +1000
Gigaset M740AV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-23 20:25 +0200
Re: Killer price on a mini PC Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-24 13:43 +0000
Re: Killer price on a mini PC "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-24 20:39 +0200
Re: Killer price on a mini PC Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-25 06:51 +0000
Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-25 09:24 +0100
Re: Killer price on a mini PC "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-25 12:11 +0200
Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-25 11:18 +0100
Re: Killer price on a mini PC "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-25 12:41 +0200
Re: Killer price on a mini PC Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-09-25 11:57 +0100
Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-25 12:48 +0100
Re: Killer price on a mini PC Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-25 14:25 +0000
Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-25 15:46 +0100
Re: Killer price on a mini PC Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-25 16:47 +0000
Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-25 21:28 +0100
Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-26 04:33 +0100
Re: Killer price on a mini PC Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-25 14:03 +0000
Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-25 15:42 +0100
Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-25 21:34 +0100
Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-26 04:36 +0100
Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-26 20:14 +0100
Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-26 20:39 +0100
Re: Killer price on a mini PC Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid> - 2026-09-26 17:14 -0500
Re: Killer price on a mini PC c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-26 22:16 -0400
Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 08:24 +0100
Re: Killer price on a mini PC rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-27 07:38 +0000
Re: Killer price on a mini PC Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 09:37 +0100
Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 12:42 +0100
Re: Killer price on a mini PC Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 13:32 +0100
Re: Killer price on a mini PC Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-27 18:56 +1000
Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 12:46 +0100
Re: Killer price on a mini PC Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-27 14:03 +0000
Re: Killer price on a mini PC rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-27 19:16 +0000
Re: Killer price on a mini PC Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-28 07:19 +0000
Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-27 16:37 +0100
Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 17:38 +0100
Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-28 22:32 +0100
Re: Killer price on a mini PC rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-29 00:10 +0000
Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-29 01:56 +0100
Re: Killer price on a mini PC John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-09-29 08:20 -0700
Re: Killer price on a mini PC Joe Makowiec <makowiec@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-28 21:46 +0000
Re: Killer price on a mini PC "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-28 23:27 +0100
Re: Killer price on a mini PC Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-29 08:12 +0100
Re: Killer price on a mini PC rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-27 19:05 +0000
Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-28 09:05 +0100
Re: Killer price on a mini PC Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-28 20:46 +1000
Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-28 12:03 +0100
Re: Killer price on a mini PC rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-28 17:37 +0000
Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-28 19:03 +0100
Re: Killer price on a mini PC Chris Abraham <chris@gerriscorp.com> - 2026-09-26 19:14 -0400
Re: Killer price on a mini PC Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-26 12:10 +0000
Re: Killer price on a mini PC Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-22 02:20 -0400
Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-22 07:50 +0100
OT - TV (was: Re: Killer price on a mini PC) "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-22 18:59 +0100
Re: OT - TV (was: Re: Killer price on a mini PC) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-09-22 19:52 +0000
Re: OT - TV Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-23 02:29 -0400
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-23 09:50 +0100
Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-23 12:40 +0200
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-23 13:38 +0100
Re: OT - TV "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-09-24 19:46 -0400
Re: Killer price on a mini PC c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-23 00:04 -0400
OT - TV (was: Re: Killer price on a mini PC) "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-23 06:45 +0100
Re: OT - TV c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-24 04:10 -0400
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-24 12:39 +0100
Re: OT - TV Abandoned Trolley <that.bloke@microsoft.com> - 2026-09-24 13:17 +0100
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-24 14:23 +0100
Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-24 19:44 +0100
Re: OT - TV Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-09-24 23:17 +0000
Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-25 20:39 +0100
Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-26 12:11 +0200
Re: OT - TV Abandoned Trolley <that.bloke@microsoft.com> - 2026-09-26 11:47 +0100
Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-26 19:08 +0100
Re: OT - TV Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> - 2026-09-26 19:58 +0100
Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-26 20:30 +0100
Re: OT - TV Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-09-26 19:10 +0000
Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-26 21:02 +0100
Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-26 21:03 +0100
Re: OT - TV Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-09-27 18:20 +0000
Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-28 16:26 +0100
Re: OT - TV Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-09-28 15:45 +0000
Re: OT - TV Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-09-28 16:30 +0000
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-28 17:46 +0100
Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-28 22:25 +0100
Re: OT - TV NY <me@privacy.net> - 2026-09-29 16:40 +0100
OT - Lehrer (was: Re: OT - TV) "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-29 16:58 +0100
Re: OT - Lehrer (was: Re: OT - TV) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-09-29 18:19 +0000
Re: OT - Lehrer "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-29 20:57 +0100
Re: OT - Lehrer Charles Hope <clh@candehope.me.uk> - 2026-09-29 20:00 +0000
Re: OT - Lehrer (was: Re: OT - TV) André Coutanche <acoutanche@gmx.co.uk> - 2026-09-29 21:50 +0100
Re: OT - Lehrer NY <me@privacy.net> - 2026-09-29 22:33 +0100
Re: OT - Lehrer Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-09-29 22:48 +0000
Re: OT - Lehrer "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-30 01:07 +0100
Re: OT - Lehrer John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-09-30 15:51 -0700
Re: OT - Lehrer c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-30 21:02 -0400
Re: OT - Lehrer chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2026-10-01 06:22 -0500
Re: OT - Lehrer The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-01 13:01 +0100
Re: OT - Lehrer NY <me@privacy.net> - 2026-10-01 10:57 +0100
Re: OT - Lehrer NY <me@privacy.net> - 2026-09-30 08:10 +0100
Re: OT - Lehrer "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-30 01:39 +0100
Re: OT - Lehrer Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2026-09-30 00:46 +0000
Re: OT - Lehrer NY <me@privacy.net> - 2026-09-29 22:39 +0100
Re: OT - Lehrer Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-09-30 12:25 +0000
Re: OT - Lehrer "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-30 13:34 +0100
Re: OT - Lehrer The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-30 14:31 +0100
Re: OT - Lehrer NY <me@privacy.net> - 2026-09-30 14:47 +0100
Re: OT - Lehrer John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> - 2026-09-30 14:58 +0100
Re: OT - Lehrer "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-01 02:36 +0100
Re: OT - Lehrer NY <me@privacy.net> - 2026-10-01 11:12 +0100
Re: OT - Lehrer Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-10-01 14:35 +0000
Re: OT - Lehrer NY <me@privacy.net> - 2026-10-01 16:14 +0100
Re: OT - Lehrer Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-10-01 17:35 +0000
Re: OT - Lehrer Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-01 17:53 +0000
Re: OT - Lehrer John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> - 2026-10-01 19:03 +0100
Re: OT - Lehrer "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-01 21:50 +0100
Re: OT - Lehrer The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-02 12:25 +0100
Re: OT - Lehrer marika <marika5000@gmail.com> - 2026-10-09 00:03 +0000
Re: OT - Lehrer The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-01 11:13 +0100
Re: OT - Lehrer NY <me@privacy.net> - 2026-10-01 11:51 +0100
Re: OT - Lehrer John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> - 2026-09-30 14:55 +0100
Re: OT - Lehrer Charles Hope <clh@candehope.me.uk> - 2026-09-30 14:15 +0000
Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-27 19:58 +1000
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 12:52 +0100
Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-27 22:13 +1000
Re: OT - TV Rink <rink.hof.haalditmaarweg@planet.nl> - 2026-10-08 21:51 +0200
Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-10-12 18:47 +1100
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-12 11:47 +0100
Re: OT - TV John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> - 2026-10-12 11:58 +0100
Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-10-12 22:37 +1100
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-12 13:17 +0100
Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-12 18:15 +0000
Re: OT - TV Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-27 11:56 -0400
Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-27 19:28 +0200
Re: OT - TV Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-27 15:28 -0400
Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-28 10:19 +0200
[OT] - audio distribution, Rediffusion-style (was: Re: OT - TV) "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-28 16:43 +0100
Re: OT - TV Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com> - 2026-09-27 11:44 +0100
Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-27 16:12 +0100
Re: OT - TV Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com> - 2026-09-27 18:12 +0100
Re: OT - TV Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-09-27 18:23 +0100
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 18:34 +0100
Re: OT - TV Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com> - 2026-09-28 14:03 +0100
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-28 16:46 +0100
Re: OT - TV Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com> - 2026-09-29 12:01 +0100
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-29 13:05 +0100
Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-29 14:13 +0100
Re: OT - TV The Other John <nomail@here.org> - 2026-09-29 16:53 +0100
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-29 17:12 +0100
Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-30 11:23 +0200
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-30 11:48 +0100
Re: OT - TV Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-30 07:37 -0400
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-30 14:28 +0100
Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-01 00:35 +0200
Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-01 02:15 +0100
Re: OT - TV Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-10-01 00:15 -0400
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-01 12:50 +0100
Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-01 14:24 +0200
Re: OT - TV Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com> - 2026-10-01 17:17 +0100
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-01 12:48 +0100
Re: OT - TV John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> - 2026-10-01 13:32 +0100
Re: OT - TV Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-10-01 14:52 +0000
Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-10-03 21:10 +1000
Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-03 13:39 +0200
Re: OT - TV Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-10-03 09:11 -0400
Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-10-04 21:26 +1100
Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-04 13:19 +0200
Re: OT - TV Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-10-04 10:36 -0400
Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-04 19:18 +0200
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-03 12:47 +0100
Re: OT - TV John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> - 2026-10-03 12:50 +0100
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-03 13:09 +0100
Re: OT - TV John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> - 2026-10-03 15:59 +0100
Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-10-03 15:56 +0000
Re: OT - TV John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> - 2026-10-03 17:19 +0100
Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-10-04 10:54 +0000
Re: OT - TV c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-05 01:27 -0400
Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-10-05 07:55 +0000
Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-05 14:54 +0200
Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-10-05 15:17 +0000
Re: OT - TV John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> - 2026-10-05 11:29 +0100
Re: OT - TV Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-10-05 11:46 +0100
Re: OT - TV JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> - 2026-10-06 17:51 +0100
Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-06 18:58 +0100
Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-06 20:36 +0200
Re: OT - TV JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> - 2026-10-07 09:00 +0100
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-07 11:04 +0100
Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-07 12:21 +0200
Re: OT - TV John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> - 2026-10-07 11:54 +0100
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-07 12:37 +0100
Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-08 13:51 +0200
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-08 13:04 +0100
Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-08 22:02 +0100
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-08 22:15 +0100
Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-09 22:22 +0200
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-09 22:33 +0100
Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-10 19:20 +0200
Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-10 01:01 +0000
Re: OT - TV Don_from_AZ <djatechNOSPAM@comcast.net.invalid> - 2026-10-09 20:09 -0700
Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-10 07:03 +0000
Re: OT - TV Don_from_AZ <djatechNOSPAM@comcast.net.invalid> - 2026-10-10 10:32 -0700
Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-10 19:56 +0000
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-11 09:35 +0100
Re: OT - TV Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-11 15:54 +0000
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-11 09:33 +0100
Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-10 19:52 +0200
Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-10 20:04 +0000
Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-10 22:15 +0200
Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-11 03:23 +0000
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-11 09:44 +0100
Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-11 18:15 +0000
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-11 09:41 +0100
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-11 09:40 +0100
Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-11 18:22 +0000
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-11 09:38 +0100
Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-11 15:17 +0200
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-11 14:58 +0100
Re: OT - temperatures "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-11 20:45 +0200
Re: OT - temperatures c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-11 22:44 -0400
Re: OT - temperatures The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-12 10:45 +0100
Re: OT - temperatures "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-12 13:14 +0200
Re: OT - temperatures c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-13 00:53 -0400
Re: OT - temperatures "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-13 12:54 +0200
Re: OT - temperatures The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-13 14:31 +0100
Re: OT - temperatures "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-13 17:39 +0200
Re: OT - temperatures The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-13 18:53 +0100
Re: OT - temperatures rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-14 05:26 +0000
Re: OT - temperatures The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-14 09:14 +0100
Re: OT - temperatures Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2026-10-16 19:29 +0000
Re: OT - temperatures The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-16 23:02 +0100
Re: OT - temperatures Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-16 22:32 +0000
Re: OT - temperatures The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-17 09:35 +0100
Re: OT - temperatures rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-17 03:28 +0000
Re: OT - temperatures The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-17 09:41 +0100
Re: OT - temperatures rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-17 19:24 +0000
Re: OT - temperatures "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-17 13:02 +0200
Re: OT - temperatures The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-17 12:16 +0100
Re: OT - temperatures "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-17 13:41 +0200
Re: OT - temperatures rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-17 18:55 +0000
Re: OT - temperatures Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2026-10-17 12:52 +0000
Re: OT - temperatures The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-17 15:03 +0100
Re: OT - temperatures "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-17 20:08 +0200
Re: OT - temperatures The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-18 12:51 +0100
Re: OT - temperatures "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-17 20:05 +0200
Re: OT - temperatures The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-18 12:26 +0100
Re: OT - temperatures "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-18 14:27 +0200
Re: OT - temperatures The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-18 13:57 +0100
Re: OT - temperatures "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-18 21:02 +0200
Re: OT - temperatures The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-18 20:46 +0100
Re: OT - temperatures rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-18 17:50 +0000
Re: OT - temperatures The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-18 20:52 +0100
Re: OT - temperatures rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-19 02:12 +0000
Re: OT - temperatures Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-17 18:33 +0000
Re: OT - temperatures rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-17 18:57 +0000
Re: OT - temperatures "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-17 22:03 +0200
Re: OT - temperatures "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-17 22:38 +0200
Re: OT - temperatures rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-18 01:40 +0000
Re: OT - temperatures "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-18 14:28 +0200
Re: OT - temperatures The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-18 13:59 +0100
Re: OT - temperatures "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-18 21:02 +0200
Re: OT - temperatures The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-18 20:45 +0100
Re: OT - temperatures rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-19 02:05 +0000
Re: OT - temperatures rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-19 02:01 +0000
Re: OT - temperatures The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-18 13:03 +0100
Re: OT - temperatures rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-17 03:26 +0000
Re: OT - temperatures Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-17 09:07 +0100
Re: OT - temperatures The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-17 09:45 +0100
Re: OT - temperatures Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-17 18:33 +0000
Re: OT - temperatures The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-18 12:55 +0100
Re: OT - temperatures rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-17 19:10 +0000
Re: OT - temperatures "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-13 13:01 +0200
Re: OT - temperatures The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-13 14:33 +0100
Re: OT - temperatures "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-13 17:40 +0200
Re: OT - temperatures The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-13 19:04 +0100
Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-11 18:26 +0000
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-12 11:07 +0100
Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-09 02:28 +0000
Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-09 22:32 +0200
Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-10 00:46 +0000
Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-10 19:29 +0200
Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-09 22:20 +0200
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-09 22:32 +0100
Re: OT - TV Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-09 23:08 +0000
Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-10 19:34 +0200
Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-10 19:30 +0000
Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-10 21:56 +0200
Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-10-11 21:15 +1100
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-11 11:23 +0100
Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-10-11 22:15 +1100
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-11 14:52 +0100
Re: OT - TV Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-11 15:54 +0000
Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-11 18:35 +0100
Re: OT - TV John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> - 2026-10-11 18:52 +0100
Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-11 20:10 +0100
Re: OT - TV NY <me@privacy.net> - 2026-10-11 20:54 +0100
Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-12 03:26 +0000
Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-10-12 18:11 +1100
Re: OT - TV Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-12 02:24 +0000
Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-12 03:49 +0000
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-12 10:58 +0100
Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-12 18:17 +0000
Re: OT - TV Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-12 16:27 +0000
Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-12 07:23 +0100
Re: OT - TV c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-12 03:13 -0400
Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-10-12 21:07 +1100
Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-12 18:21 +0100
Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-12 18:26 +0000
Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-10-13 22:36 +1100
Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-10-12 18:17 +1100
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-12 10:55 +0100
Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-10-12 18:09 +1100
Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-11 18:02 +0000
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-12 11:01 +0100
Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-10-12 17:58 +1100
Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-11 17:46 +0000
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-12 11:02 +0100
Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-11 15:18 +0200
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-11 14:59 +0100
Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-11 21:29 +0200
Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-11 23:46 +0100
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-12 10:48 +0100
Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-12 18:28 +0100
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-12 19:11 +0100
Re: OT - TV Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-12 22:35 +0000
Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-13 01:26 +0100
Re: OT - TV Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-13 06:16 +0000
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-13 08:27 +0100
Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-13 18:40 +0100
Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-13 20:54 +0200
Re: OT - TV Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-10-13 19:57 +0100
Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-13 21:10 +0200
Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-10-15 00:06 +1100
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-13 20:02 +0100
Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-13 20:21 +0100
Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-13 22:09 +0200
Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-13 22:02 +0100
Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-10-15 00:09 +1100
Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-14 14:31 +0100
Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-14 04:24 +0000
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-13 08:26 +0100
Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-13 17:21 +0000
Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-13 18:47 +0100
Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-14 03:53 +0000
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-14 08:54 +0100
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-13 19:27 +0100
Re: OT - TV Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com> - 2026-10-14 11:30 +0100
Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-10-15 00:12 +1100
Re: OT - TV Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-15 00:44 +0100
Re: OT - TV JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> - 2026-10-13 12:08 +0100
Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-13 13:16 +0200
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Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-30 13:08 +0000
Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-01 00:50 +0200
Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-10-01 06:12 +0000
Re: OT - TV c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-01 03:29 -0400
Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-01 14:53 +0200
Re: OT - TV Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-10-01 03:32 -0400
Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-01 14:49 +0200
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-01 12:57 +0100
Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-01 15:19 +0200
Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-10-01 14:34 +0000
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-01 15:51 +0100
Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-10-02 06:52 +0000
Re: OT - TV Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-10-04 07:52 +0100
Re: OT - TV c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-04 03:15 -0400
Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-04 15:51 +0100
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-04 18:16 +0100
Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-27 13:12 +0200
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-25 10:06 +0100
Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-25 20:50 +0100
Re: OT - TV Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-09-26 01:31 +0000
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-26 04:21 +0100
Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-26 19:26 +0100
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-26 20:26 +0100
Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-26 20:37 +0100
Re: OT - TV Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-09-26 20:36 +0000
Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-27 00:03 +0000
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 08:21 +0100
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 08:15 +0100
Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-27 10:16 +0100
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 12:48 +0100
Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-27 16:16 +0100
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 08:07 +0100
Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-27 10:20 +0100
Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-27 13:18 +0200
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 13:06 +0100
Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-27 14:25 +0200
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 17:32 +0100
Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-27 16:22 +0100
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 17:34 +0100
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 12:50 +0100
Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-27 14:25 +0200
Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-27 16:25 +0100
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 17:32 +0100
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 17:30 +0100
Re: OT - TV Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-09-27 15:04 +0000
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 17:39 +0100
Re: OT - TV Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-09-27 19:58 +0000
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-28 09:13 +0100
Re: OT - TV Abandoned Trolley <that.bloke@microsoft.com> - 2026-09-28 09:39 +0100
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-28 11:26 +0100
Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-28 13:04 +0200
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-28 16:42 +0100
Re: OT - TV Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-09-28 16:45 +0000
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-28 17:53 +0100
Re: OT - TV Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-09-28 19:26 +0000
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-29 10:25 +0100
Re: OT - TV Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-09-29 09:43 +0000
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-29 10:56 +0100
Re: OT - TV Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-09-29 10:41 +0000
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-29 13:02 +0100
Re: OT - TV Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-09-29 13:39 +0000
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-29 15:04 +0100
Re: OT - TV Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-09-29 14:19 +0000
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-29 15:47 +0100
Re: OT - TV Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-09-29 20:01 +0000
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-30 01:06 +0100
Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-30 01:25 +0100
Re: OT - TV Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-09-30 01:15 +0000
Re: OT - TV Carlos <crazyhotwrse8@stinty.org> - 2026-10-03 20:41 -0400
Re: OT - TV "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-10-03 21:28 -0400
Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-29 17:16 +0100
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-29 18:50 +0100
[OT] - power (was: Re: OT - TV) "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-29 19:05 +0100
Re: [OT] - power The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-29 19:15 +0100
Re: [OT] - power "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-30 11:48 +0200
Re: [OT] - power The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-30 12:00 +0100
Re: [OT] - power c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-30 15:30 -0400
Re: [OT] - power The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-01 12:47 +0100
Re: [OT] - power Chris Abraham <chris@gerriscorp.com> - 2026-09-30 13:28 -0400
Re: [OT] - power The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-01 12:24 +0100
Re: OT - TV Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-09-29 14:58 -0400
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-30 01:04 +0100
Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-30 11:52 +0200
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-30 12:01 +0100
Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-30 17:36 +0000
Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-01 00:55 +0200
Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-01 03:57 +0000
Re: OT - TV Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-10-04 10:40 +0100
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-04 11:29 +0100
Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-04 15:59 +0100
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-04 18:25 +0100
[OT] energy (was: Re: OT - TV) "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-04 23:54 +0100
Re: [OT] energy (was: Re: OT - TV) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-05 00:57 +0000
Re: [OT] energy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-05 08:56 +0100
Re: [OT] energy "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-05 15:12 +0200
Re: [OT] energy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-05 16:04 +0100
Re: [OT] energy "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-05 19:31 +0200
Re: [OT] energy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-05 19:59 +0100
Re: [OT] energy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-05 19:04 +0000
Re: [OT] energy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-05 20:19 +0100
Re: [OT] energy "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-05 21:41 +0200
Re: [OT] energy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-06 01:39 +0000
Re: [OT] energy Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-07 10:27 +0100
Re: [OT] energy "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-07 12:09 +0200
Re: [OT] energy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-07 11:14 +0100
Re: [OT] energy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-06 08:27 +0100
Re: [OT] energy "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-06 12:06 +0200
Re: [OT] energy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-06 11:37 +0100
Re: [OT] energy "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-06 13:03 +0200
Re: [OT] energy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-06 12:26 +0100
Re: [OT] energy "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-06 13:45 +0200
Re: [OT] energy Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-06 03:52 +0000
Re: [OT] energy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-06 08:38 +0100
Re: [OT] energy Andreas Eder <a_eder_muc@web.de> - 2026-10-11 16:29 +0200
Re: [OT] energy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-12 10:51 +0100
Re: [OT] energy "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-12 13:30 +0200
Re: [OT] energy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-12 13:10 +0100
Re: [OT] energy "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-12 14:43 +0200
Re: [OT] energy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-12 14:10 +0100
Re: [OT] energy "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-12 19:54 +0200
Re: [OT] energy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-05 08:51 +0100
Re: [OT] energy c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-05 04:40 -0400
Re: [OT] energy "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-05 15:19 +0200
Re: [OT] energy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-05 16:20 +0100
Re: [OT] energy "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-05 19:32 +0200
Re: [OT] energy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-05 20:02 +0100
Re: [OT] energy Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-10-18 22:00 +1100
Re: [OT] energy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-18 13:24 +0100
Re: [OT] energy Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-10-19 20:00 +1100
Re: [OT] energy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-18 17:57 +0000
Re: [OT] energy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-18 20:52 +0100
Re: [OT] energy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-05 19:03 +0000
Re: [OT] energy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-05 20:13 +0100
Re: [OT] energy "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-05 21:42 +0200
Re: [OT] energy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-06 01:37 +0000
Re: [OT] energy Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-07 10:42 +0100
Re: [OT] energy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-07 11:42 +0100
Re: [OT] energy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-07 18:37 +0000
Re: [OT] energy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-08 07:47 +0100
Re: [OT] energy Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-08 01:20 +0100
Re: [OT] energy "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-08 14:03 +0200
Re: [OT] energy Andreas Eder <a_eder_muc@web.de> - 2026-10-11 16:28 +0200
Re: [OT] energy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-12 10:49 +0100
Re: [OT] energy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-06 08:35 +0100
Re: [OT] energy "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-06 11:01 +0200
Re: [OT] energy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-06 11:36 +0100
Re: [OT] energy "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-06 13:12 +0200
Re: [OT] energy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-06 12:52 +0100
Re: [OT] energy "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-06 14:01 +0200
Re: [OT] energy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-06 13:03 +0100
Re: [OT] energy "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-06 14:05 +0200
Re: [OT] energy Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-07 10:57 +0100
Re: [OT] energy "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-07 12:14 +0200
Re: [OT] energy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-07 11:51 +0100
Re: [OT] energy "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-08 14:06 +0200
Re: [OT] energy Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-10 12:26 +0100
Re: [OT] energy "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-10 20:11 +0200
Re: [OT] energy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-07 11:48 +0100
Re: [OT] energy "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-06 14:07 +0200
Re: [OT] energy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-06 13:38 +0100
Re: [OT] energy "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-06 14:46 +0200
Re: [OT] energy Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-07 11:03 +0100
Re: [OT] energy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-07 11:56 +0100
Re: [OT] energy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-06 14:18 +0000
Re: [OT] energy Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-07 10:33 +0100
Re: [OT] energy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-07 11:22 +0100
Re: [OT] energy Andreas Eder <a_eder_muc@web.de> - 2026-10-11 14:14 +0200
Re: [OT] energy "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-11 21:33 +0200
Re: [OT] energy "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-10-11 23:47 +0100
Re: [OT] energy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-12 11:39 +0100
Re: [OT] energy "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-12 13:31 +0200
Re: [OT] energy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-12 11:39 +0100
Re: [OT] energy "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-12 13:35 +0200
Re: [OT] energy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-12 13:20 +0100
Re: [OT] energy "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-12 21:50 +0200
Re: [OT] energy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-13 08:20 +0100
Re: [OT] energy Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-10-12 23:18 +1100
Re: [OT] energy (was: Re: OT - TV) chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2026-10-05 06:40 -0500
Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-27 20:18 +1000
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 12:54 +0100
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-26 03:52 +0100
Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-26 19:41 +0100
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-26 20:36 +0100
Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-25 20:58 +1000
Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-25 20:56 +0100
Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-24 22:24 +1000
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-24 14:07 +0100
Re: OT - TV Abandoned Trolley <that.bloke@microsoft.com> - 2026-09-24 12:53 +0100
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-24 14:09 +0100
Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-24 18:56 +0000
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-25 10:47 +0100
Re: Killer price on a mini PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-23 10:01 +0100
OT - TV (was: Re: Killer price on a mini PC) "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-23 14:42 +0100
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-23 15:04 +0100
Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-23 15:55 +0100
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-24 12:18 +0100
Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-24 19:50 +0100
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-25 10:34 +0100
Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-25 21:10 +0100
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-26 04:29 +0100
Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-26 05:12 +0000
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-26 10:02 +0100
Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-26 13:52 +0000
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-26 15:41 +0100
Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-26 19:35 +0000
Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-25 21:30 +1000
Re: OT - TV Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-09-25 19:54 +0000
Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-25 21:14 +0100
Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-26 12:38 +0000
Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-26 20:06 +0100
Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-27 09:16 +0000
Re: OT - TV "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-09-27 10:30 +0100
Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-27 13:24 +0200
Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-27 14:35 +0000
Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-27 18:36 +0000
Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-28 14:02 +0200
Re: OT - TV Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-09-27 19:09 +0000
Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-28 14:03 +0200
Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-28 14:46 +0000
Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-29 09:22 +0200
Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-29 09:00 +0000
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-29 10:49 +0100
Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-29 18:46 +0000
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-30 01:02 +0100
Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-30 01:57 +0000
Re: OT - TV Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-30 22:07 +1000
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-30 14:30 +0100
Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-30 17:42 +0000
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-01 11:12 +0100
Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-01 20:51 +0000
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-02 13:31 +0100
Re: OT - TV "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-30 11:55 +0200
Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-09-30 12:50 +0000
Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-30 17:35 +0000
Re: OT - TV c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-30 23:02 -0400
Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-10-01 06:19 +0000
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-01 12:27 +0100
Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-01 20:22 +0000
Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-01 20:20 +0000
Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-10-02 06:57 +0000
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-02 13:22 +0100
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Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-04 09:14 +0100
Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-04 12:11 +0200
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-04 11:29 +0100
Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-04 13:31 +0200
Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-04 17:44 +0000
Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-04 20:19 +0200
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Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-04 20:29 +0200
Re: OT - TV c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-04 23:56 -0400
Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-02 20:19 +0200
Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-02 20:25 +0200
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-02 20:12 +0100
Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-03 00:48 +0000
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-03 09:05 +0100
Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-03 13:43 +0200
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-02 20:09 +0100
Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-02 21:49 +0200
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-02 21:02 +0100
Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-02 22:18 +0200
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-02 21:33 +0100
Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-03 00:58 +0000
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-03 09:07 +0100
Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-10-02 07:07 +0000
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Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-02 13:13 +0100
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Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-04 18:00 +0000
Re: OT - TV Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-04 18:33 +0000
Re: OT - TV rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-05 00:40 +0000
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-05 08:57 +0100
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Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-01 00:59 +0200
Re: OT - TV Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-10-01 06:12 +0000
Re: OT - TV The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-01 13:02 +0100
Re: OT - TV "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-01 15:28 +0200
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-10-13 20:00 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: OT - TV |
| Message-ID | <11alv4m$ocpj$12@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #93610 |
On 13/10/2026 19:47, J. P. Gilliver wrote: > An interesting wrinkle: when I started driving, although_new_ > automatics carried the price premium mentioned,_second-hand_ ones were > often cheaper, presumably because nobody wanted them; The thing is, a luxury car - Mercedes, or Jaguar, is worthless when old. It chews fuel compared with a tinplate shopping trolley and it cots a fair bit to keep on the road. And its lost the swank factor. No one wants them, except people like us who can pick up a really good deal on a 10 year old auto luxury car for far less than a clapped out 5 year old shopping trolley. And have money left over to fix it and feed it with fuel -- In a Time of Universal Deceit, Telling the Truth Is a Revolutionary Act. - George Orwell
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| From | "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> |
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| Date | 2026-10-13 20:28 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: OT - TV |
| Message-ID | <11am0ov$rf03$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #93614 |
On 2026/10/13 20:0:38, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > On 13/10/2026 19:47, J. P. Gilliver wrote: >> An interesting wrinkle: when I started driving, although_new_ >> automatics carried the price premium mentioned,_second-hand_ ones were >> often cheaper, presumably because nobody wanted them; > > The thing is, a luxury car - Mercedes, or Jaguar, is worthless when old. > It chews fuel compared with a tinplate shopping trolley and it cots a > fair bit to keep on the road. And its lost the swank factor. > No one wants them, except people like us who can pick up a really good > deal on a 10 year old auto luxury car for far less than a clapped out 5 > year old shopping trolley. And have money left over to fix it and feed > it with fuel > > There's a lot in what you say! That Ventora - not, to me, a known luxury model, but _any_ 3.3 litre car in Britain was (still is, somewhat) a luxury car - and, as you say, I had enough to maintain and feed it. (It certainly was _comfortable_.) Wasn't hard to maintain - K reg, so old enough to have nothing fancy (except automatic choke, which was a pain!), and that straight six engine - same as a Bedford truck, someone told me - was such that a small person could have stood in the engine compartment next to it. (The car was vaguely Capri-shaped, but longer bonnet.) -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()ALIS-Ch++(p)Ar++T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf "English doesn't borrow from other languages. It follows them down dark alleys, clubs them on the head, and rifles through their pockets for loose grammar."
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2026-10-13 22:51 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: OT - TV |
| Message-ID | <eeWdnaKTL7mAc1P3nZ2dnZfqnPGdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #93620 |
On 10/13/26 15:28, J. P. Gilliver wrote: > On 2026/10/13 20:0:38, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >> On 13/10/2026 19:47, J. P. Gilliver wrote: >>> An interesting wrinkle: when I started driving, although_new_ >>> automatics carried the price premium mentioned,_second-hand_ ones were >>> often cheaper, presumably because nobody wanted them; >> >> The thing is, a luxury car - Mercedes, or Jaguar, is worthless when old. >> It chews fuel compared with a tinplate shopping trolley and it cots a >> fair bit to keep on the road. And its lost the swank factor. >> No one wants them, except people like us who can pick up a really good >> deal on a 10 year old auto luxury car for far less than a clapped out 5 >> year old shopping trolley. And have money left over to fix it and feed >> it with fuel >> >> > There's a lot in what you say! That Ventora - not, to me, a known luxury > model, but _any_ 3.3 litre car in Britain was (still is, somewhat) a > luxury car - and, as you say, I had enough to maintain and feed it. (It > certainly was _comfortable_.) Wasn't hard to maintain - K reg, so old > enough to have nothing fancy (except automatic choke, which was a > pain!), and that straight six engine - same as a Bedford truck, someone > told me - was such that a small person could have stood in the engine > compartment next to it. (The car was vaguely Capri-shaped, but longer > bonnet.) DID like the cars with the long bonnets. The modern 'snub-nosed', not nearly as aesthetic. And try to WORK on the packed-in engines ! Intentional ? 3.3 is "luxury" in the UK ??? Considered a 'mid-sized' in the USA :-)
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| From | Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-10-14 00:32 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: OT - TV |
| Message-ID | <11an0lp$15mil$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #93635 |
On Tue, 10/13/2026 10:51 PM, c186282 wrote:
> On 10/13/26 15:28, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
>> On 2026/10/13 20:0:38, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>> On 13/10/2026 19:47, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
>>>> An interesting wrinkle: when I started driving, although_new_
>>>> automatics carried the price premium mentioned,_second-hand_ ones were
>>>> often cheaper, presumably because nobody wanted them;
>>>
>>> The thing is, a luxury car - Mercedes, or Jaguar, is worthless when old.
>>> It chews fuel compared with a tinplate shopping trolley and it cots a
>>> fair bit to keep on the road. And its lost the swank factor.
>>> No one wants them, except people like us who can pick up a really good
>>> deal on a 10 year old auto luxury car for far less than a clapped out 5
>>> year old shopping trolley. And have money left over to fix it and feed
>>> it with fuel
>>>
>>>
>> There's a lot in what you say! That Ventora - not, to me, a known luxury
>> model, but _any_ 3.3 litre car in Britain was (still is, somewhat) a
>> luxury car - and, as you say, I had enough to maintain and feed it. (It
>> certainly was _comfortable_.) Wasn't hard to maintain - K reg, so old
>> enough to have nothing fancy (except automatic choke, which was a
>> pain!), and that straight six engine - same as a Bedford truck, someone
>> told me - was such that a small person could have stood in the engine
>> compartment next to it. (The car was vaguely Capri-shaped, but longer
>> bonnet.)
>
> DID like the cars with the long bonnets. The
> modern 'snub-nosed', not nearly as aesthetic.
>
> And try to WORK on the packed-in engines !
>
> Intentional ?
>
> 3.3 is "luxury" in the UK ??? Considered
> a 'mid-sized' in the USA :-)
>
Well, petrol is expensive there, so there's no particular
advantage to "driving a boat". You'd just end up leaving it
at home.
Paul
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2026-10-14 01:26 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: OT - TV |
| Message-ID | <tnGdnbLd1pI4j1L3nZ2dnZfqnPYAAAAA@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #93643 |
On 10/14/26 00:32, Paul wrote: > On Tue, 10/13/2026 10:51 PM, c186282 wrote: >> On 10/13/26 15:28, J. P. Gilliver wrote: >>> On 2026/10/13 20:0:38, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >>>> On 13/10/2026 19:47, J. P. Gilliver wrote: >>>>> An interesting wrinkle: when I started driving, although_new_ >>>>> automatics carried the price premium mentioned,_second-hand_ ones were >>>>> often cheaper, presumably because nobody wanted them; >>>> >>>> The thing is, a luxury car - Mercedes, or Jaguar, is worthless when old. >>>> It chews fuel compared with a tinplate shopping trolley and it cots a >>>> fair bit to keep on the road. And its lost the swank factor. >>>> No one wants them, except people like us who can pick up a really good >>>> deal on a 10 year old auto luxury car for far less than a clapped out 5 >>>> year old shopping trolley. And have money left over to fix it and feed >>>> it with fuel >>>> >>>> >>> There's a lot in what you say! That Ventora - not, to me, a known luxury >>> model, but _any_ 3.3 litre car in Britain was (still is, somewhat) a >>> luxury car - and, as you say, I had enough to maintain and feed it. (It >>> certainly was _comfortable_.) Wasn't hard to maintain - K reg, so old >>> enough to have nothing fancy (except automatic choke, which was a >>> pain!), and that straight six engine - same as a Bedford truck, someone >>> told me - was such that a small person could have stood in the engine >>> compartment next to it. (The car was vaguely Capri-shaped, but longer >>> bonnet.) >> >> DID like the cars with the long bonnets. The >> modern 'snub-nosed', not nearly as aesthetic. >> >> And try to WORK on the packed-in engines ! >> >> Intentional ? >> >> 3.3 is "luxury" in the UK ??? Considered >> a 'mid-sized' in the USA :-) >> > > Well, petrol is expensive there, so there's no particular > advantage to "driving a boat". You'd just end up leaving it > at home. In USA we often call boats "a hole in the ocean into which you pour money" :-) Yea, yea ... some people LOVE them - but they're usually DESTITUTE people. Boats+Nature - they just FALL APART. You'd need a lot of stainless steel with the latest synthetics around it. $$$ !!!
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| From | "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> |
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| Date | 2026-10-14 14:08 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: OT - TV |
| Message-ID | <11anurm$1gdf9$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #93653 |
On 2026/10/14 6:26:58, c186282 wrote: > On 10/14/26 00:32, Paul wrote: >> On Tue, 10/13/2026 10:51 PM, c186282 wrote: >>> On 10/13/26 15:28, J. P. Gilliver wrote: >>>> On 2026/10/13 20:0:38, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >>>>> On 13/10/2026 19:47, J. P. Gilliver wrote: >>>>>> An interesting wrinkle: when I started driving, although_new_ >>>>>> automatics carried the price premium mentioned,_second-hand_ ones were >>>>>> often cheaper, presumably because nobody wanted them; >>>>> >>>>> The thing is, a luxury car - Mercedes, or Jaguar, is worthless when old. >>>>> It chews fuel compared with a tinplate shopping trolley and it cots a >>>>> fair bit to keep on the road. And its lost the swank factor. >>>>> No one wants them, except people like us who can pick up a really good >>>>> deal on a 10 year old auto luxury car for far less than a clapped out 5 >>>>> year old shopping trolley. And have money left over to fix it and feed >>>>> it with fuel >>>>> >>>>> >>>> There's a lot in what you say! That Ventora - not, to me, a known luxury >>>> model, but _any_ 3.3 litre car in Britain was (still is, somewhat) a >>>> luxury car - and, as you say, I had enough to maintain and feed it. (It >>>> certainly was _comfortable_.) Wasn't hard to maintain - K reg, so old >>>> enough to have nothing fancy (except automatic choke, which was a >>>> pain!), and that straight six engine - same as a Bedford truck, someone >>>> told me - was such that a small person could have stood in the engine >>>> compartment next to it. (The car was vaguely Capri-shaped, but longer >>>> bonnet.) >>> >>> DID like the cars with the long bonnets. The >>> modern 'snub-nosed', not nearly as aesthetic. >>> >>> And try to WORK on the packed-in engines ! Though I did discover (I think it was on my current one, which isn't really a snub-nose) that the packed-in appearance you see when you lift the bonnet (hood) is at least partly because there's a moulded piece of black plastic which makes the whole underbonnet area look neat, and full (and _may_ have some effect on airflow, though I doubt it); when you remove that, what's underneath looks much as I expected a car engine to look. >>> >>> Intentional ? There _may_ be some such intention, for medium-to-long bonnet shapes; for the snub-nose types, I suspect it's just that it's nearly impossible to make them easy to work on and still get them into that cramped space. >>> >>> 3.3 is "luxury" in the UK ??? Considered >>> a 'mid-sized' in the USA :-) >>> I think it's been true to say that for some years, most models widely bought come with 1.3 and 1.6 litre options, or 1.9 for the Diesel option. Anything above 2 would be considered ostentatious or performance-minded. Possibly excepting 4WDs, or SUVs as we seem to have to call them nowadays. Automatics used to tend to have one size larger (e. g. 1.6 instead of 1.3), back when such a box made for a noticeable loss of power; not sure about now. Really compacts might come with a 1.1, or even a 995. >> >> Well, petrol is expensive there, so there's no particular Currently, I think it's about 1.6 pounds; certainly Diesel is around 2 (or 1.99 if you're lucky). And that's a litre, not gallon. >> advantage to "driving a boat". You'd just end up leaving it >> at home. Plus, you'd have difficulty steering it round many towns, and parking it. > > In USA we often call boats "a hole in the ocean > into which you pour money" :-) I _think_ Paul was referring to large cars, not _actual_ boats! Despite being a maritime nation, not a lot of Brits own a boat (for a start, most people would have nowhere to put one). [] (The "boat" nickname also is a dig at the large American-type cars of the 50s and 60s, which tended to have very soft suspension, and thus wallow in a boat-like manner - again, not suitable for windy Britain. [That's wine-dy, not wind-y.]) -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()ALIS-Ch++(p)Ar++T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf Who were your favourite TV stars or shows when you were a child? Sadly they've all been arrested ... Ian Hislop, in Radio Times 28 September-4 October 2013
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-10-14 18:58 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: OT - TV |
| Message-ID | <nja1nhFc9lcU36@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #93681 |
On Wed, 14 Oct 2026 14:08:04 +0100, J. P. Gilliver wrote: > Though I did discover (I think it was on my current one, which isn't > really a snub-nose) that the packed-in appearance you see when you lift > the bonnet (hood) is at least partly because there's a moulded piece of > black plastic which makes the whole underbonnet area look neat, and full > (and _may_ have some effect on airflow, though I doubt it); when you > remove that, what's underneath looks much as I expected a car engine to > look. My Toyota engine has a plastic piece like that. When I bought the first one I assumed it covered the distributor and plug wires. Wrong again. Each plug has a coil that's fired by the ECU.
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-10-15 10:20 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: OT - TV |
| Message-ID | <11aq5t7$27tro$8@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #93709 |
On 14/10/2026 19:58, rbowman wrote: > On Wed, 14 Oct 2026 14:08:04 +0100, J. P. Gilliver wrote: > >> Though I did discover (I think it was on my current one, which isn't >> really a snub-nose) that the packed-in appearance you see when you lift >> the bonnet (hood) is at least partly because there's a moulded piece of >> black plastic which makes the whole underbonnet area look neat, and full >> (and _may_ have some effect on airflow, though I doubt it); when you >> remove that, what's underneath looks much as I expected a car engine to >> look. > > My Toyota engine has a plastic piece like that. When I bought the first > one I assumed it covered the distributor and plug wires. Wrong again. Each > plug has a coil that's fired by the ECU. Amazingly common these days. It does at least remove a single point of failure And keep the HV wiring to essentially zero Same with diesel injectors. One per cylinder right in the cylinder. But I think that was always the case -- Climate Change: Socialism wearing a lab coat.
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| From | Rich <rich@example.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-10-15 15:25 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: OT - TV |
| Message-ID | <11aqr8b$2gp8o$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #93739 |
The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote: > On 14/10/2026 19:58, rbowman wrote: >> On Wed, 14 Oct 2026 14:08:04 +0100, J. P. Gilliver wrote: >> >>> Though I did discover (I think it was on my current one, which >>> isn't really a snub-nose) that the packed-in appearance you see >>> when you lift the bonnet (hood) is at least partly because there's >>> a moulded piece of black plastic which makes the whole underbonnet >>> area look neat, and full (and _may_ have some effect on airflow, >>> though I doubt it); when you remove that, what's underneath looks >>> much as I expected a car engine to look. >> >> My Toyota engine has a plastic piece like that. When I bought the >> first one I assumed it covered the distributor and plug wires. >> Wrong again. Each plug has a coil that's fired by the ECU. > > Amazingly common these days. It does at least remove a single point > of failure > > And keep the HV wiring to essentially zero > > Same with diesel injectors. One per cylinder right in the cylinder. > But I think that was always the case It has always been. The operation mechanism for diesel engines has always been separate injectors per cylinder. The nature of "compression ignition" used in diesels pretty much mandates this be the way. That and the fact that diesel does not "evaporate" in the same manner as gasoline means one can't use a carburetor or a single point injector playing the role of carburetor.
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-10-15 19:11 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: OT - TV |
| Message-ID | <11ar50j$2kl9o$6@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #93755 |
On 15/10/2026 16:25, Rich wrote: > The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote: >> On 14/10/2026 19:58, rbowman wrote: >>> On Wed, 14 Oct 2026 14:08:04 +0100, J. P. Gilliver wrote: >>> >>>> Though I did discover (I think it was on my current one, which >>>> isn't really a snub-nose) that the packed-in appearance you see >>>> when you lift the bonnet (hood) is at least partly because there's >>>> a moulded piece of black plastic which makes the whole underbonnet >>>> area look neat, and full (and _may_ have some effect on airflow, >>>> though I doubt it); when you remove that, what's underneath looks >>>> much as I expected a car engine to look. >>> >>> My Toyota engine has a plastic piece like that. When I bought the >>> first one I assumed it covered the distributor and plug wires. >>> Wrong again. Each plug has a coil that's fired by the ECU. >> >> Amazingly common these days. It does at least remove a single point >> of failure >> >> And keep the HV wiring to essentially zero >> >> Same with diesel injectors. One per cylinder right in the cylinder. >> But I think that was always the case > > It has always been. The operation mechanism for diesel engines has > always been separate injectors per cylinder. The nature of > "compression ignition" used in diesels pretty much mandates this be the > way. That and the fact that diesel does not "evaporate" in the same > manner as gasoline means one can't use a carburetor or a single point > injector playing the role of carburetor. Actually you can. I had many little diesels with carburettors in my youth :-) I wont argue that is an efficient way to run one though. Diesel runaway is not sustained by fuel through the injectors, either -- "It is an established fact to 97% confidence limits that left wing conspirators see right wing conspiracies everywhere"
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| From | Rich <rich@example.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-10-16 01:50 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: OT - TV |
| Message-ID | <11arvt6$2tmrr$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #93762 |
The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote: > On 15/10/2026 16:25, Rich wrote: >> The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote: >>> On 14/10/2026 19:58, rbowman wrote: >>>> On Wed, 14 Oct 2026 14:08:04 +0100, J. P. Gilliver wrote: >>>> >>>>> Though I did discover (I think it was on my current one, which >>>>> isn't really a snub-nose) that the packed-in appearance you see >>>>> when you lift the bonnet (hood) is at least partly because there's >>>>> a moulded piece of black plastic which makes the whole underbonnet >>>>> area look neat, and full (and _may_ have some effect on airflow, >>>>> though I doubt it); when you remove that, what's underneath looks >>>>> much as I expected a car engine to look. >>>> >>>> My Toyota engine has a plastic piece like that. When I bought the >>>> first one I assumed it covered the distributor and plug wires. >>>> Wrong again. Each plug has a coil that's fired by the ECU. >>> >>> Amazingly common these days. It does at least remove a single point >>> of failure >>> >>> And keep the HV wiring to essentially zero >>> >>> Same with diesel injectors. One per cylinder right in the cylinder. >>> But I think that was always the case >> >> It has always been. The operation mechanism for diesel engines has >> always been separate injectors per cylinder. The nature of >> "compression ignition" used in diesels pretty much mandates this be the >> way. That and the fact that diesel does not "evaporate" in the same >> manner as gasoline means one can't use a carburetor or a single point >> injector playing the role of carburetor. > > Actually you can. > > I had many little diesels with carburettors in my youth :-) Fair enough. Model airplane diesels using what is in effect a rudimentary carburetor do exist. No one is building that type of engine for human scale vehicle use. > I wont argue that is an efficient way to run one though. > > Diesel runaway is not sustained by fuel through the injectors, either
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2026-10-16 00:39 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: OT - TV |
| Message-ID | <uhydnY_kc7YHN0z3nZ2dnZfqn_adnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #93791 |
On 10/15/26 21:50, Rich wrote: > The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote: >> On 15/10/2026 16:25, Rich wrote: >> I had many little diesels with carburettors in my youth :-) > > Fair enough. Model airplane diesels using what is in effect a > rudimentary carburetor do exist. No one is building that type of > engine for human scale vehicle use. Uh, but DID they sometime ??? Modern larger diesels, we mostly think 'direct injection'. However, past, the means to do that properly and with good life, maybe not so great. Obviously you CAN carburate diesel even though it's a bit viscous. WILL work in a large engine. Not IDEAL though. Right NOW ... any tricks to make a diesel run on gasoline without exploding ??? Add-on water-mist unit ? Add x-percent light motor oil ??? Many want to know ! The diesel problem did NOT seem to be foreseen by Trump's people. Can't guess about EVERYTHING alas. The USA can actually make all IT needs, but right now they're trying to sustain Europe and Japan as well and USA doesn't really have enough refining capability. Anyway, no diesel = no civ. All the important stuff runs on diesel - NO viable substitute. Sorry, but a mountain of Chinese batteries won't cut it.
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-10-16 10:34 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: OT - TV |
| Message-ID | <11asr3r$33n8m$15@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #93797 |
On 16/10/2026 05:39, c186282 wrote: > On 10/15/26 21:50, Rich wrote: >> The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote: >>> On 15/10/2026 16:25, Rich wrote: > >>> I had many little diesels with carburettors in my youth :-) >> >> Fair enough. Model airplane diesels using what is in effect a >> rudimentary carburetor do exist. No one is building that type of >> engine for human scale vehicle use. > > > Uh, but DID they sometime ??? > No. I asked myself the same question and went looking There were gasoline start with carburettor diesels that switched to injected diesel once running "Rudolf diesels original engine used Air-Blast Injection. Early models used a compressed air pump (air-blast injection) to force and atomize fuel into the dense air inside the cylinder." > Modern larger diesels, we mostly think 'direct > injection'. However, past, the means to do that > properly and with good life, maybe not so great. > Lazy imagination and speculation is no substitute for research > -- It’s easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled. Mark Twain
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-10-16 12:46 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: OT - TV |
| Message-ID | <rsb9qmxvve.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #93797 |
On 2026-10-16 06:39, c186282 wrote: > Right NOW ... any tricks to make a diesel > run on gasoline without exploding ??? Add-on > water-mist unit ? Add x-percent light motor > oil ??? Many want to know ! Long ago, I read that diesel engines could burn anything. Maybe the issue is that currently engines are designed tightly to burn some specific fuel and just going a bit off the spec ruins them. -- Cheers, Carlos. ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-10-16 13:24 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: OT - TV |
| Message-ID | <11at51k$33n8m$39@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #93844 |
On 16/10/2026 11:46, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> On 2026-10-16 06:39, c186282 wrote:
>> Right NOW ... any tricks to make a diesel
>> run on gasoline without exploding ??? Add-on
>> water-mist unit ? Add x-percent light motor
>> oil ??? Many want to know !
>
> Long ago, I read that diesel engines could burn anything.
Broadly speaking anything that goes bang when mixed with oxygen and
compressed hard will do. Even coal dust...
> Maybe the
> issue is that currently engines are designed tightly to burn some
> specific fuel and just going a bit off the spec ruins them.
>
Exactly so. Military diesels were (are?) often designed as 'multifuel'
but the downside is they were smokey and low power units.
I THINK modern armies have standardised on a class of fuel(s) that will
run most things including jet engines. But I am not sure.
AI sez:
Key NATO Fuel Codes and Grades
F-34 (JP-8): NATO’s primary military aviation turbine fuel and the
cornerstone of the Single Fuel Policy for land-based aviation and
tactical ground equipment (flash point ≥ 38°C).
F-44 (JP-5): High-flash kerosene fuel designed specifically for
naval aviation and aircraft carrier operations (flash point ≥ 60°C).
F-35 (Jet A-1 Military): Based on Jet A-1 / DEF STAN 91-091
specifications with integrated military additives.
F-54: Standard ground diesel fleets (equivalent to EN 590, cetane ≥
51).
F-76: Marine distillate/diesel fuel used for naval warship engines
(flash point ≥ 60°C).
F-67: Standard military gasoline (equivalent to EN 228 unleaded
gasoline).
F-18: 100LL aviation gasoline
Modern vehicle diesel is shaped to burn clean and not leave too much
soot or other particulates with catalytic converters to burn the
residues. It will have additives to absorb water, additives to stop it
waxing in low temperatures, and additives to clean injectors and
lubricate fuel pumps,
you CAN run a diesel car off heating oil and many people do, for a while...
Ships run off 'bunker fuel'. Heavy fuel oil is a type that is virtually
solid at room temperature - one step up from bitumen - and needs to be
heated before it can be injected.
But the engines are still diesel engines
--
The New Left are the people they warned you about.
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-10-16 19:01 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: OT - TV |
| Message-ID | <njfajgFit4rU21@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #93860 |
On Fri, 16 Oct 2026 13:24:20 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > Modern vehicle diesel is shaped to burn clean and not leave too much > soot or other particulates with catalytic converters to burn the > residues. It will have additives to absorb water, additives to stop it > waxing in low temperatures, and additives to clean injectors and > lubricate fuel pumps, Winter fuel blends handle the gelling but truck stops in walk in freezers like North Dakota sometimes still have #1 diesel, which is essentially kerosene. One of the problems is fueling in LA where winter blends aren't available and heading north. There are additives like Power Service. Dump in a gallon and you're good to go. > you CAN run a diesel car off heating oil and many people do, for a > while... It works. In the US off road diesel isn't taxed but it is dyed red to potentially deter cheaters. Trump recently allowed the use on the highways. More bullshit since most truck stops might have one off road pump among the 20 regular diesel pumps. The anti-Trump Greek Chorus immediately screamed that using off-road fuel would ruin the truck engines. It's just dye, assholes.
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-10-16 22:38 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: OT - TV |
| Message-ID | <11au5ha$3k12p$20@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #93908 |
On 16/10/2026 20:01, rbowman wrote:
> On Fri, 16 Oct 2026 13:24:20 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>
>> Modern vehicle diesel is shaped to burn clean and not leave too much
>> soot or other particulates with catalytic converters to burn the
>> residues. It will have additives to absorb water, additives to stop it
>> waxing in low temperatures, and additives to clean injectors and
>> lubricate fuel pumps,
>
> Winter fuel blends handle the gelling but truck stops in walk in freezers
> like North Dakota sometimes still have #1 diesel, which is essentially
> kerosene. One of the problems is fueling in LA where winter blends aren't
> available and heading north. There are additives like Power Service. Dump
> in a gallon and you're good to go.
>
Back in the day we ran 92 octane gasohol on the Transvaal at 5000'
altitude, the engines started knocking the lower down the Drakensbergs
we got. At sea level we tanked up with 98 and revelled in the power
increase. And the return of breathable air.,
>> you CAN run a diesel car off heating oil and many people do, for a
>> while...
>
> It works. In the US off road diesel isn't taxed but it is dyed red to
> potentially deter cheaters. Trump recently allowed the use on the
> highways. More bullshit since most truck stops might have one off road
> pump among the 20 regular diesel pumps. The anti-Trump Greek Chorus
> immediately screamed that using off-road fuel would ruin the truck
> engines. It's just dye, assholes.
>
Yes. we have the same in the UK, Its called red diesel, You CAN take the
dye out and lots of scumbags do. We filled up with what I am sure was
some at a 'cheap' gas station.
At full throttle the truck bogged down and was trailing white smoke. We
thought we had blown the engine, but when we filled up again it was all
hunky dory again
I think some of the chemistry used to clean the dye was still in the
diesel, Or it was diluted with water.
--
"Fanaticism consists in redoubling your effort when you have
forgotten your aim."
George Santayana
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-10-17 13:08 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: OT - TV |
| Message-ID | <qh1cqmxpqo.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #93908 |
On 2026-10-16 21:01, rbowman wrote: > On Fri, 16 Oct 2026 13:24:20 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > >> Modern vehicle diesel is shaped to burn clean and not leave too much >> soot or other particulates with catalytic converters to burn the >> residues. It will have additives to absorb water, additives to stop it >> waxing in low temperatures, and additives to clean injectors and >> lubricate fuel pumps, > > Winter fuel blends handle the gelling but truck stops in walk in freezers > like North Dakota sometimes still have #1 diesel, which is essentially > kerosene. One of the problems is fueling in LA where winter blends aren't > available and heading north. There are additives like Power Service. Dump > in a gallon and you're good to go. > >> you CAN run a diesel car off heating oil and many people do, for a >> while... > > It works. In the US off road diesel isn't taxed but it is dyed red to > potentially deter cheaters. Trump recently allowed the use on the > highways. More bullshit since most truck stops might have one off road > pump among the 20 regular diesel pumps. The anti-Trump Greek Chorus > immediately screamed that using off-road fuel would ruin the truck > engines. It's just dye, assholes. The additives can change. Modern fuels carry a lot of additives with complex formulas. Cheaper gas have cheaper additives, this is well known. My father worked in a refinery planning things like additives, he could have said precisely what additives have diesel for cars/trucks vs the diesel for agriculture or the diesel for house heating. -- Cheers, Carlos. ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-10-16 10:30 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: OT - TV |
| Message-ID | <11asqs0$33n8m$14@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #93791 |
On 16/10/2026 02:50, Rich wrote: > The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote: >> On 15/10/2026 16:25, Rich wrote: >>> The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote: >>>> On 14/10/2026 19:58, rbowman wrote: >>>>> On Wed, 14 Oct 2026 14:08:04 +0100, J. P. Gilliver wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Though I did discover (I think it was on my current one, which >>>>>> isn't really a snub-nose) that the packed-in appearance you see >>>>>> when you lift the bonnet (hood) is at least partly because there's >>>>>> a moulded piece of black plastic which makes the whole underbonnet >>>>>> area look neat, and full (and _may_ have some effect on airflow, >>>>>> though I doubt it); when you remove that, what's underneath looks >>>>>> much as I expected a car engine to look. >>>>> >>>>> My Toyota engine has a plastic piece like that. When I bought the >>>>> first one I assumed it covered the distributor and plug wires. >>>>> Wrong again. Each plug has a coil that's fired by the ECU. >>>> >>>> Amazingly common these days. It does at least remove a single point >>>> of failure >>>> >>>> And keep the HV wiring to essentially zero >>>> >>>> Same with diesel injectors. One per cylinder right in the cylinder. >>>> But I think that was always the case >>> >>> It has always been. The operation mechanism for diesel engines has >>> always been separate injectors per cylinder. The nature of >>> "compression ignition" used in diesels pretty much mandates this be the >>> way. That and the fact that diesel does not "evaporate" in the same >>> manner as gasoline means one can't use a carburetor or a single point >>> injector playing the role of carburetor. >> >> Actually you can. >> >> I had many little diesels with carburettors in my youth :-) > > Fair enough. Model airplane diesels using what is in effect a > rudimentary carburetor do exist. No one is building that type of > engine for human scale vehicle use. > The efficiency is terms of fuel is close to zero on this, and they need ether to run mostly >> I wont argue that is an efficient way to run one though. >> >> Diesel runaway is not sustained by fuel through the injectors, either And that is the point direct injection is the most efficient way to run a diesel, no doubt. It is not however, the *only* way...in THEORY. It is however almost impossible to control diesel ignition timing if you do not. Model diesel had adjustable compression ratios to fine tune timing and were essentially one speed units. Throttled units did exist, but they tended to run extremely roughly at reduce power -- For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong. H.L.Mencken
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-10-15 21:24 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: OT - TV |
| Message-ID | <qrl7qmxg9d.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #93755 |
On 2026-10-15 17:25, Rich wrote: > The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote: >> On 14/10/2026 19:58, rbowman wrote: >>> On Wed, 14 Oct 2026 14:08:04 +0100, J. P. Gilliver wrote: >>> >>>> Though I did discover (I think it was on my current one, which >>>> isn't really a snub-nose) that the packed-in appearance you see >>>> when you lift the bonnet (hood) is at least partly because there's >>>> a moulded piece of black plastic which makes the whole underbonnet >>>> area look neat, and full (and _may_ have some effect on airflow, >>>> though I doubt it); when you remove that, what's underneath looks >>>> much as I expected a car engine to look. >>> >>> My Toyota engine has a plastic piece like that. When I bought the >>> first one I assumed it covered the distributor and plug wires. >>> Wrong again. Each plug has a coil that's fired by the ECU. >> >> Amazingly common these days. It does at least remove a single point >> of failure >> >> And keep the HV wiring to essentially zero >> >> Same with diesel injectors. One per cylinder right in the cylinder. >> But I think that was always the case > > It has always been. The operation mechanism for diesel engines has > always been separate injectors per cylinder. With a tube connecting the injector pump with the injector. With electronics, you can instead put the pump directly on the injector at the cylinder head, thus not having a high pressure tube, that although it is short, it does introduce a delay. There are diesel motors with a single pump, plus a bank of valves, one per cylinder. Mine was like this. All mechanical, no electronics. A Seat Ibiza, the motor being a Wolkswwagen design, I understand. > The nature of > "compression ignition" used in diesels pretty much mandates this be the > way. That and the fact that diesel does not "evaporate" in the same > manner as gasoline means one can't use a carburetor or a single point > injector playing the role of carburetor. -- Cheers, Carlos. ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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