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  IBM and Red Hat Cóilín Nioclásín Glostéir <thanks-to@Taf.com> - 2026-10-06 15:24 +0000
    Re: IBM and Red Hat Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-06 20:58 +0000
    Re: IBM and Red Hat c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-07 00:23 -0400
      Re: IBM and Red Hat John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-10-07 08:09 -0700
        Re: IBM and Red Hat Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-10-07 15:50 +0000
          Re: IBM and Red Hat rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-07 18:53 +0000
          Re: IBM and Red Hat c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-07 21:43 -0400
            Re: IBM and Red Hat Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-08 20:08 +0000
        Re: IBM and Red Hat c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-07 21:43 -0400
          Re: IBM and Red Hat "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-08 13:40 +0200
            Re: IBM and Red Hat c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-09 02:28 -0400
              Re: IBM and Red Hat The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-09 11:09 +0100
                Re: IBM and Red Hat Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2026-10-09 17:34 +0000
                  Re: IBM and Red Hat Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-09 23:08 +0000
                    Re: IBM and Red Hat The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-10 09:50 +0100
                      Re: IBM and Red Hat rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-10 20:11 +0000
                        Re: IBM and Red Hat Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-11 05:23 +0000
                Re: IBM and Red Hat "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-09 20:25 +0200
                Re: IBM and Red Hat rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-09 18:41 +0000
          Re: IBM and Red Hat John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-10-08 08:10 -0700
            Re: IBM and Red Hat "Rinaldi J. Montessi" <rinaldij@alien.free> - 2026-10-08 10:32 -0500
              Re: IBM and Red Hat John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-10-08 08:58 -0700
                Re: IBM and Red Hat "Rinaldi J. Montessi" <rinaldij@alien.free> - 2026-10-08 11:13 -0500
                Re: IBM and Red Hat rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-08 20:30 +0000
            Re: IBM and Red Hat The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-08 22:03 +0100
            Re: IBM and Red Hat c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-09 02:43 -0400
            Re: IBM and Red Hat Cóilín Nioclásín Glostéir <thanks-to@Taf.com> - 2026-10-10 18:52 +0000
              Re: IBM and Red Hat Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-10 20:22 +0000
                Re: IBM and Red Hat c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-11 00:13 -0400
              Re: IBM and Red Hat Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2026-10-11 10:37 +0000
                Re: IBM and Red Hat Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-10-11 08:29 -0400
                  Re: IBM and Red Hat The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-11 14:51 +0100
                    Re: IBM and Red Hat Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-10-11 13:24 -0400
                Re: IBM and Red Hat The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-11 14:53 +0100
                Re: IBM and Red Hat Nicolas Paul Colin de Glocester <thanks-to@Taf.com> - 2026-10-11 20:38 +0000
                  Re: IBM and Red Hat c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-12 00:38 -0400
                    Re: IBM and Red Hat Cóilín Nioclásín Glostéir <thanks-to@Taf.com> - 2026-10-12 20:29 +0000
                      Re: IBM and Red Hat c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-13 00:56 -0400
                        Re: IBM and Red Hat Cóilín Nioclásín Glostéir <thanks-to@Taf.com> - 2026-10-13 09:45 +0000
                      Re: IBM and Red Hat The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-13 08:14 +0100
                        Re: IBM and Red Hat rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-13 17:25 +0000
                          Re: IBM and Red Hat The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-13 18:38 +0100
                          Re: IBM and Red Hat Cóilín Nioclásín Glostéir <thanks-to@Taf.com> - 2026-10-13 17:47 +0000
                            Re: IBM and Red Hat c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-14 04:44 -0400
                              Re: IBM and Red Hat Cóilín Nioclásín Glostéir <thanks-to@Taf.com> - 2026-10-14 10:49 +0000
                                Re: IBM and Red Hat rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-14 19:28 +0000
                          Re: IBM and Red Hat Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-13 18:16 +0000
                            Re: IBM and Red Hat c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-13 22:22 -0400
              Re: IBM and Red Hat John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-10-12 09:08 -0700

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#93051 — IBM and Red Hat

Are these true?
HTTPS://WWW.RedHat.com/en/blog/whats-new-in-red-hat-openshift-virtualization-4.12
HTTPS://WWW.IPSC.Ie/bds/genocide-enabler-red-hat-hides-behind-webinars-amid-mounting-boycott-campaign

(S. HTTP://Gloucester.Insomnia247.NL/ fuer Kontaktdaten!)

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#93065

On Tue, 6 Oct 2026 15:24:58 -0000 (UTC), Cóilín Nioclásín Glostéir wrote:

> HTTPS://WWW.IPSC.Ie/bds/genocide-enabler-red-hat-hides-behind-webinars-amid-mounting-boycott-campaign

Certainly following in an old IBM tradition ...

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#93072

On 10/6/26 11:24, Cóilín Nioclásín Glostéir wrote:
> Are these true?
> HTTPS://WWW.RedHat.com/en/blog/whats-new-in-red-hat-openshift-virtualization-4.12
> HTTPS://WWW.IPSC.Ie/bds/genocide-enabler-red-hat-hides-behind-webinars-amid-mounting-boycott-campaign
> 
> (S. HTTP://Gloucester.Insomnia247.NL/ fuer Kontaktdaten!)

   Look, RHEL people spent kind of a lot of effort in
   building good utils for large cluster/distributed
   applications. It was why RH could charge a lot of
   money for licenses - their own add-ons, not the
   actual Linux kernel.

   This was exactly what IBM was looking for. Now the
   IBM re-brand of RHEL is the most popular OS for
   the IBM super-mainframe setups and more.

   IF you want "the kernel" then Fedora and a few
   others will provide the RH version for free. But
   the "huge environment" stuff, now plus more "AI"
   shit, you'll PAY for that.

   "Computing" is now even moving off-planet.
   Damned Small Linux ain't gonna be good for
   that. Still has its PLACE, but ....

   Very next StarShip launch, expect Elon to put
   a core for his space-based data/AI stuff in
   orbit.

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#93133

On Wed, 7 Oct 2026 00:23:21 -0400
c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote:

> "Computing" is now even moving off-planet. Damned Small Linux ain't
> gonna be good for that. Still has its PLACE, but ....
> 
> Very next StarShip launch, expect Elon to put a core for his space-
> based data/AI stuff in orbit.

...and it would take a smoothbrain like Melon to think orbital data-
centers are Brilliant, Actually. Basic physics lesson, kids: no matter
what cartoons told you, the temperature of a vacuum is N/A, not Minus A
Jillion. Without a surrounding medium, you can only lose heat by radi-
ation, which is *vastly* less efficient - and when cooling is one of
the primary challenges of building these dumb things on a planet *with*
oceans' worth of cooling medium, what do you think that does for the
relative difficulty of keeping your billions of dollars of computing
gear from incinerating itself?

(To say nothing of the maintenance costs, the increase in latency...)

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#93135

In comp.os.linux.misc John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 7 Oct 2026 00:23:21 -0400
> c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote:
> 
>> "Computing" is now even moving off-planet. Damned Small Linux ain't
>> gonna be good for that. Still has its PLACE, but ....
>> 
>> Very next StarShip launch, expect Elon to put a core for his space-
>> based data/AI stuff in orbit.
> 
> ...and it would take a smoothbrain like Melon to think orbital data-
> centers are Brilliant,

Smoothbrain melon's never been much of an "engineer".  What he has 
been, however, is a very good PT Barnum who is quite capable of 
separating money from fools.

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#93145

On Wed, 7 Oct 2026 15:50:47 -0000 (UTC), Rich wrote:

> Smoothbrain melon's never been much of an "engineer".  What he has been,
> however, is a very good PT Barnum who is quite capable of separating
> money from fools.

I'm rather happy he's separating me from $55/mo for 100 Mbps down. That's 
about 5 times better than Verizon Wireless and $40/mo cheaper.

I agree there is a high Barnum component and he's very good at separating 
the government (and ultimately us) from money but he does get things done. 
Like Bezos, I don't have to love to guy to respect what he's accomplished.

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#93156

On 10/7/26 11:50, Rich wrote:
> In comp.os.linux.misc John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Wed, 7 Oct 2026 00:23:21 -0400
>> c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote:
>>
>>> "Computing" is now even moving off-planet. Damned Small Linux ain't
>>> gonna be good for that. Still has its PLACE, but ....
>>>
>>> Very next StarShip launch, expect Elon to put a core for his space-
>>> based data/AI stuff in orbit.
>>
>> ...and it would take a smoothbrain like Melon to think orbital data-
>> centers are Brilliant,
> 
> Smoothbrain melon's never been much of an "engineer".  What he has
> been, however, is a very good PT Barnum who is quite capable of
> separating money from fools.

   Where have investors been losing money ?

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#93192

On 2026-10-08, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote:

> On 10/7/26 11:50, Rich wrote:
>
>> In comp.os.linux.misc John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, 7 Oct 2026 00:23:21 -0400
>>> c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Computing" is now even moving off-planet. Damned Small Linux ain't
>>>> gonna be good for that. Still has its PLACE, but ....
>>>>
>>>> Very next StarShip launch, expect Elon to put a core for his space-
>>>> based data/AI stuff in orbit.
>>>
>>> ...and it would take a smoothbrain like Melon to think orbital data-
>>> centers are Brilliant,
>> 
>> Smoothbrain melon's never been much of an "engineer".  What he has
>> been, however, is a very good PT Barnum who is quite capable of
>> separating money from fools.
>
>    Where have investors been losing money ?

Who said it's the investors who are losing money?

-- 
/~\  Charlie Gibbs                  |  In this world there are
\ /  <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>      |  two kinds of people:
 X   I'm really at ac.dekanfrus     |  1. Those who can extrapolate
/ \  if you read it the right way.  |  from incomplete data.

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#93155

On 10/7/26 11:09, John Ames wrote:
> On Wed, 7 Oct 2026 00:23:21 -0400
> c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote:
> 
>> "Computing" is now even moving off-planet. Damned Small Linux ain't
>> gonna be good for that. Still has its PLACE, but ....
>>
>> Very next StarShip launch, expect Elon to put a core for his space-
>> based data/AI stuff in orbit.
> 
> ...and it would take a smoothbrain like Melon to think orbital data-
> centers are Brilliant, Actually. Basic physics lesson, kids: no matter
> what cartoons told you, the temperature of a vacuum is N/A, not Minus A
> Jillion. Without a surrounding medium, you can only lose heat by radi-
> ation, which is *vastly* less efficient - and when cooling is one of
> the primary challenges of building these dumb things on a planet *with*
> oceans' worth of cooling medium, what do you think that does for the
> relative difficulty of keeping your billions of dollars of computing
> gear from incinerating itself?
> 
> (To say nothing of the maintenance costs, the increase in latency...)
> 

   Heh heh ... yea, heat-dissipation is a biggie
   in space, ONLY 'radiation'. It'd take a huge
   radiator to keep those NVidia chips cool.

   BUT, Musk IS gonna try anyhow ... however the
   power of those devices is gonna be rather low,
   not like a ten-acre center in Iowa with access
   to an entire river.

   Someday there will be practical (quantum?)
   processors that don't need much juice.

   Someday.

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#93171

On 2026-10-08 03:43, c186282 wrote:
> On 10/7/26 11:09, John Ames wrote:
>> On Wed, 7 Oct 2026 00:23:21 -0400
>> c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote:
>>
>>> "Computing" is now even moving off-planet. Damned Small Linux ain't
>>> gonna be good for that. Still has its PLACE, but ....
>>>
>>> Very next StarShip launch, expect Elon to put a core for his space-
>>> based data/AI stuff in orbit.
>>
>> ...and it would take a smoothbrain like Melon to think orbital data-
>> centers are Brilliant, Actually. Basic physics lesson, kids: no matter
>> what cartoons told you, the temperature of a vacuum is N/A, not Minus A
>> Jillion. Without a surrounding medium, you can only lose heat by radi-
>> ation, which is *vastly* less efficient - and when cooling is one of
>> the primary challenges of building these dumb things on a planet *with*
>> oceans' worth of cooling medium, what do you think that does for the
>> relative difficulty of keeping your billions of dollars of computing
>> gear from incinerating itself?
>>
>> (To say nothing of the maintenance costs, the increase in latency...)
>>
> 
>    Heh heh ... yea, heat-dissipation is a biggie
>    in space, ONLY 'radiation'. It'd take a huge
>    radiator to keep those NVidia chips cool.
> 
>    BUT, Musk IS gonna try anyhow ... however the
>    power of those devices is gonna be rather low,
>    not like a ten-acre center in Iowa with access
>    to an entire river.
> 
>    Someday there will be practical (quantum?)
>    processors that don't need much juice.

They are only trying things, not intending to put a serious AI centre up 
there.

-- 
Cheers,
        Carlos E.R.
        ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺.

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#93229

On 10/8/26 07:40, Carlos E. R. wrote:
> On 2026-10-08 03:43, c186282 wrote:
>> On 10/7/26 11:09, John Ames wrote:
>>> On Wed, 7 Oct 2026 00:23:21 -0400
>>> c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Computing" is now even moving off-planet. Damned Small Linux ain't
>>>> gonna be good for that. Still has its PLACE, but ....
>>>>
>>>> Very next StarShip launch, expect Elon to put a core for his space-
>>>> based data/AI stuff in orbit.
>>>
>>> ...and it would take a smoothbrain like Melon to think orbital data-
>>> centers are Brilliant, Actually. Basic physics lesson, kids: no matter
>>> what cartoons told you, the temperature of a vacuum is N/A, not Minus A
>>> Jillion. Without a surrounding medium, you can only lose heat by radi-
>>> ation, which is *vastly* less efficient - and when cooling is one of
>>> the primary challenges of building these dumb things on a planet *with*
>>> oceans' worth of cooling medium, what do you think that does for the
>>> relative difficulty of keeping your billions of dollars of computing
>>> gear from incinerating itself?
>>>
>>> (To say nothing of the maintenance costs, the increase in latency...)
>>>
>>
>>    Heh heh ... yea, heat-dissipation is a biggie
>>    in space, ONLY 'radiation'. It'd take a huge
>>    radiator to keep those NVidia chips cool.
>>
>>    BUT, Musk IS gonna try anyhow ... however the
>>    power of those devices is gonna be rather low,
>>    not like a ten-acre center in Iowa with access
>>    to an entire river.
>>
>>    Someday there will be practical (quantum?)
>>    processors that don't need much juice.
> 
> They are only trying things, not intending to put a serious AI centre up 
> there.

   CAN'T as of yet. The heat issue is just one
   of many. Also don't forget hostiles ... a
   number of nations have anti-sat tech now.
   Something in orbit is a big fat sitting duck.

   And finally ... the unbearably slow speed of
   light ... signals up and back and up and back
   and around ... delays upon delays ... kinda
   limits your speed.

   Where's that "sub-space radio" they kept
   talking about ? Hmm, next-gen 'entangement'
   might do the trick, then you could put the
   data centers on Mars if you wanted ........

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#93236

On 09/10/2026 07:28, c186282 wrote:
> On 10/8/26 07:40, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>> On 2026-10-08 03:43, c186282 wrote:
>>> On 10/7/26 11:09, John Ames wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 7 Oct 2026 00:23:21 -0400
>>>> c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> "Computing" is now even moving off-planet. Damned Small Linux ain't
>>>>> gonna be good for that. Still has its PLACE, but ....
>>>>>
>>>>> Very next StarShip launch, expect Elon to put a core for his space-
>>>>> based data/AI stuff in orbit.
>>>>
>>>> ...and it would take a smoothbrain like Melon to think orbital data-
>>>> centers are Brilliant, Actually. Basic physics lesson, kids: no matter
>>>> what cartoons told you, the temperature of a vacuum is N/A, not Minus A
>>>> Jillion. Without a surrounding medium, you can only lose heat by radi-
>>>> ation, which is *vastly* less efficient - and when cooling is one of
>>>> the primary challenges of building these dumb things on a planet *with*
>>>> oceans' worth of cooling medium, what do you think that does for the
>>>> relative difficulty of keeping your billions of dollars of computing
>>>> gear from incinerating itself?
>>>>
>>>> (To say nothing of the maintenance costs, the increase in latency...)
>>>>
>>>
>>>    Heh heh ... yea, heat-dissipation is a biggie
>>>    in space, ONLY 'radiation'. It'd take a huge
>>>    radiator to keep those NVidia chips cool.
>>>
>>>    BUT, Musk IS gonna try anyhow ... however the
>>>    power of those devices is gonna be rather low,
>>>    not like a ten-acre center in Iowa with access
>>>    to an entire river.
>>>
>>>    Someday there will be practical (quantum?)
>>>    processors that don't need much juice.
>>
>> They are only trying things, not intending to put a serious AI centre 
>> up there.
> 
>    CAN'T as of yet. The heat issue is just one
>    of many. Also don't forget hostiles ... a
>    number of nations have anti-sat tech now.
>    Something in orbit is a big fat sitting duck.
> 
So is something sitting on the ground

>    And finally ... the unbearably slow speed of
>    light ... signals up and back and up and back
>    and around ... delays upon delays ... kinda
>    limits your speed.
> 
>    Where's that "sub-space radio" they kept
>    talking about ? Hmm, next-gen 'entangement'
>    might do the trick, then you could put the
>    data centers on Mars if you wanted ........
> 
Yawn

-- 
“it should be clear by now to everyone that activist environmentalism 
(or environmental activism) is becoming a general ideology about humans, 
about their freedom, about the relationship between the individual and 
the state, and about the manipulation of people under the guise of a 
'noble' idea. It is not an honest pursuit of 'sustainable development,' 
a matter of elementary environmental protection, or a search for 
rational mechanisms designed to achieve a healthy environment. Yet 
things do occur that make you shake your head and remind yourself that 
you live neither in Joseph Stalin’s Communist era, nor in the Orwellian 
utopia of 1984.”

Vaclav Klaus

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#93244

On 2026-10-09, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> On 09/10/2026 07:28, c186282 wrote:
>> On 10/8/26 07:40, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>> On 2026-10-08 03:43, c186282 wrote:
>>>> On 10/7/26 11:09, John Ames wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 7 Oct 2026 00:23:21 -0400
>>>>> c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> "Computing" is now even moving off-planet. Damned Small Linux ain't
>>>>>> gonna be good for that. Still has its PLACE, but ....
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Very next StarShip launch, expect Elon to put a core for his space-
>>>>>> based data/AI stuff in orbit.
>>>>>
>>>>> ...and it would take a smoothbrain like Melon to think orbital data-
>>>>> centers are Brilliant, Actually. Basic physics lesson, kids: no matter
>>>>> what cartoons told you, the temperature of a vacuum is N/A, not Minus A
>>>>> Jillion. Without a surrounding medium, you can only lose heat by radi-
>>>>> ation, which is *vastly* less efficient - and when cooling is one of
>>>>> the primary challenges of building these dumb things on a planet *with*
>>>>> oceans' worth of cooling medium, what do you think that does for the
>>>>> relative difficulty of keeping your billions of dollars of computing
>>>>> gear from incinerating itself?
>>>>>
>>>>> (To say nothing of the maintenance costs, the increase in latency...)
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>    Heh heh ... yea, heat-dissipation is a biggie
>>>>    in space, ONLY 'radiation'. It'd take a huge
>>>>    radiator to keep those NVidia chips cool.
>>>>
>>>>    BUT, Musk IS gonna try anyhow ... however the
>>>>    power of those devices is gonna be rather low,
>>>>    not like a ten-acre center in Iowa with access
>>>>    to an entire river.
>>>>
>>>>    Someday there will be practical (quantum?)
>>>>    processors that don't need much juice.
>>>
>>> They are only trying things, not intending to put a serious AI centre 
>>> up there.
>> 
>>    CAN'T as of yet. The heat issue is just one
>>    of many. Also don't forget hostiles ... a
>>    number of nations have anti-sat tech now.
>>    Something in orbit is a big fat sitting duck.
>> 
> So is something sitting on the ground

It has been said that the key difference between a mechanical
engineer and a civil engineer is

- A mechanical engineer might design airplanes, missiles, bombs,
  and other weapon systems.

- A civil engineer designs targets.

For some reason, it seems that mechanical engineers appreciate
the humor in that much more than do civil engineers.  :-)

-- 
Robert Riches
spamtrap42@jacob21819.net
(Yes, that is one of my email addresses.)

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#93272

On 2026-10-09, Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> wrote:

> It has been said that the key difference between a mechanical
> engineer and a civil engineer is
>
> - A mechanical engineer might design airplanes, missiles, bombs,
>   and other weapon systems.
>
> - A civil engineer designs targets.
>
> For some reason, it seems that mechanical engineers appreciate
> the humor in that much more than do civil engineers.  :-)

I guess it's time to bring out the old enineering joke...

Three engineers agreed that God must be an engineer, but
argued about what kind of engineer He was.

"He must be a mechanical engineer," said the first one.
"Look at the human skeleton - a lovely piece of mechanical
engineering."

"Perhaps," said the second one, "but consider the nervous
system.  God must be an electrical engineer to design
something as great as that."

"No," said the third engineer.  "God is a civil engineer.
Who else would run a waste disposal line through a
recreation area?"

-- 
/~\  Charlie Gibbs                  |  In this world there are
\ /  <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>      |  two kinds of people:
 X   I'm really at ac.dekanfrus     |  1. Those who can extrapolate
/ \  if you read it the right way.  |  from incomplete data.

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#93296

On 10/10/2026 00:08, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>
> "No," said the third engineer.  "God is a civil engineer.
> Who else would run a waste disposal line through a
> recreation area?"
> 
Last time I heard that God was a Welshman...
-- 
“Puritanism: The haunting fear that someone, somewhere, may be happy.”

H.L. Mencken, A Mencken Chrestomathy

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#93338

On Sat, 10 Oct 2026 09:50:26 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> On 10/10/2026 00:08, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>>
>> "No," said the third engineer.  "God is a civil engineer.
>> Who else would run a waste disposal line through a recreation area?"
>> 
> Last time I heard that God was a Welshman...

That explains why nobody can understand His pronouncements. Welsh 
collected all the stray vowels and consonants that Hebrew dropped.

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#93360

On 2026-10-10, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

> On Sat, 10 Oct 2026 09:50:26 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>
>> On 10/10/2026 00:08, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>>>
>>> "No," said the third engineer.  "God is a civil engineer.
>>> Who else would run a waste disposal line through a recreation area?"
>>> 
>> Last time I heard that God was a Welshman...
>
> That explains why nobody can understand His pronouncements. Welsh 
> collected all the stray vowels and consonants that Hebrew dropped.

Not all the vowels.  I once heard someone talking about the horror
of passing an elementary school in Wales where the kids were singing
"Old McDonald", as they lapsed into pitiful silence when they got
to the E-I-E-I-O part.  So please send all your spare vowels to VFW
(Vowels for Wales).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHxO0UdpoxM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1BXKsQ2nbno

-- 
/~\  Charlie Gibbs                  |  In this world there are
\ /  <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>      |  two kinds of people:
 X   I'm really at ac.dekanfrus     |  1. Those who can extrapolate
/ \  if you read it the right way.  |  from incomplete data.

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#93247

On 2026-10-09 12:09, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 09/10/2026 07:28, c186282 wrote:
>> On 10/8/26 07:40, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>> On 2026-10-08 03:43, c186282 wrote:
>>>> On 10/7/26 11:09, John Ames wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 7 Oct 2026 00:23:21 -0400
>>>>> c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> "Computing" is now even moving off-planet. Damned Small Linux ain't
>>>>>> gonna be good for that. Still has its PLACE, but ....
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Very next StarShip launch, expect Elon to put a core for his space-
>>>>>> based data/AI stuff in orbit.
>>>>>
>>>>> ...and it would take a smoothbrain like Melon to think orbital data-
>>>>> centers are Brilliant, Actually. Basic physics lesson, kids: no matter
>>>>> what cartoons told you, the temperature of a vacuum is N/A, not 
>>>>> Minus A
>>>>> Jillion. Without a surrounding medium, you can only lose heat by radi-
>>>>> ation, which is *vastly* less efficient - and when cooling is one of
>>>>> the primary challenges of building these dumb things on a planet 
>>>>> *with*
>>>>> oceans' worth of cooling medium, what do you think that does for the
>>>>> relative difficulty of keeping your billions of dollars of computing
>>>>> gear from incinerating itself?
>>>>>
>>>>> (To say nothing of the maintenance costs, the increase in latency...)
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>    Heh heh ... yea, heat-dissipation is a biggie
>>>>    in space, ONLY 'radiation'. It'd take a huge
>>>>    radiator to keep those NVidia chips cool.
>>>>
>>>>    BUT, Musk IS gonna try anyhow ... however the
>>>>    power of those devices is gonna be rather low,
>>>>    not like a ten-acre center in Iowa with access
>>>>    to an entire river.
>>>>
>>>>    Someday there will be practical (quantum?)
>>>>    processors that don't need much juice.
>>>
>>> They are only trying things, not intending to put a serious AI centre 
>>> up there.
>>
>>    CAN'T as of yet. The heat issue is just one
>>    of many. Also don't forget hostiles ... a
>>    number of nations have anti-sat tech now.
>>    Something in orbit is a big fat sitting duck.
>>
> So is something sitting on the ground

You can try to hide, reinforce or defend them.

...

-- 
Cheers,
        Carlos E.R.
        ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺.

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#93249

On Fri, 9 Oct 2026 11:09:42 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> So is something sitting on the ground

https://www.cnbc.com/2026/10/08/russia-yandex-ukraine-drone-strike-data-
center.html

Payback may be a bitch. Supposedly Russia is using high-tech V1s for 
drones now.

Related: a physics professor I had was given to dramatic demonstrations 
like a pendulum with a bowling ball for a weight. He would hold the ball 
up to his chin and release it, confident that it wouldn't quite make it 
back to his chin. One demo involved a model pulsejet. He was no fool and 
fired up the pulsejet at the end of the lecture. A bit of a kook but he 
made physics live.

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#93184

On Wed, 7 Oct 2026 21:43:07 -0400
c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote:

> Heh heh ... yea, heat-dissipation is a biggie in space, ONLY
> 'radiation'. It'd take a huge radiator to keep those NVidia chips
> cool.
> 
> BUT, Musk IS gonna try anyhow ...

I mean, he probably will, but this proves nothing beyond that he's a
moron who thinks every problem can be solved by throwing money at it.

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