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| Started by | Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> |
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| First post | 2026-09-22 20:08 +0000 |
| Last post | 2026-09-26 14:01 +0000 |
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More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> - 2026-09-22 20:08 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-09-22 22:39 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-23 00:25 -0400
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-09-23 09:41 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-09-23 08:50 -0700
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2026-09-26 12:50 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-23 23:11 -0400
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-23 12:43 +0200
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2026-09-23 14:09 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI jayjwa <jayjwa@atr2.ath.cx.invalid> - 2026-09-23 11:55 -0400
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2026-09-23 23:00 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-24 01:31 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-09-24 10:07 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-24 19:30 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Anton Antimo <anton@safunu.org> - 2026-09-24 10:39 -0300
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2026-09-26 13:02 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> - 2026-09-26 14:51 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2026-09-27 13:29 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> - 2026-09-27 19:39 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2026-10-11 11:37 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> - 2026-10-11 14:56 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 09:55 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2026-09-27 11:01 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-30 07:57 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-09-30 08:40 -0700
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> - 2026-09-30 20:50 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-30 20:56 -0400
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-01 04:21 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-10-01 08:04 -0700
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-02 00:48 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-02 00:32 -0400
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-03 00:51 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-03 02:02 -0400
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-03 09:27 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-03 23:21 -0400
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-02 12:17 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-02 22:34 -0400
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-02 02:57 -0400
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-02 12:24 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-02 22:59 -0400
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-03 09:02 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-01 04:16 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2026-10-03 10:08 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-03 12:06 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 12:55 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI John Bokma <contact@johnbokma.com> - 2026-09-23 19:24 +0200
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-23 18:28 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI John Bokma <contact@johnbokma.com> - 2026-09-23 21:04 +0200
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2026-09-24 07:16 +1000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI John Bokma <contact@johnbokma.com> - 2026-09-24 12:03 +0200
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> - 2026-09-26 17:37 +1000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 09:53 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-27 18:56 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-09-28 12:52 -0400
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-28 17:21 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-09-28 15:56 -0400
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-29 03:30 -0400
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2026-09-29 02:20 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-29 03:45 -0400
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2026-09-29 12:36 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-09-29 10:51 -0400
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-09-29 18:19 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-29 19:38 -0400
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-09-29 23:55 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-29 18:54 -0400
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-09-29 23:55 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-30 01:14 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-30 02:04 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Chris Abraham <chris@gerriscorp.com> - 2026-09-30 13:27 -0400
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-30 15:47 -0400
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-09-30 20:17 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-30 20:33 -0400
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-01 04:55 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-01 02:01 -0400
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-01 11:08 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-02 00:42 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-01 23:49 -0400
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-02 12:14 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-02 19:33 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-02 20:44 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-02 22:13 -0400
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-03 08:59 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-03 04:11 -0400
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-03 20:00 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-04 09:04 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-04 23:47 -0400
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-05 10:06 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-04 13:09 +0200
[OT] US politics (was: Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-04 17:16 +0100
Re: [OT] US politics (was: Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-04 18:18 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-04 18:13 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-04 19:33 +0200
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-05 02:46 -0400
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-05 10:18 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-04 18:33 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-04 20:42 +0200
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-05 01:24 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-05 23:20 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-06 01:44 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-06 03:56 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-07 01:45 -0400
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-07 08:01 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-07 03:32 -0400
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-07 11:00 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-07 18:42 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-08 07:45 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-08 20:23 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-10-08 17:24 -0400
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-08 23:59 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Harold Stevens <wookie@bookworm.localdomain> - 2026-10-09 05:00 -0500
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2026-10-08 23:44 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-09 02:36 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-10-14 14:21 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-14 16:57 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-07 11:58 +0200
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-07 11:33 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-07 11:56 +0200
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-07 11:28 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-08 20:08 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-08 22:06 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-10-08 17:18 -0400
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-08 22:21 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-09 02:48 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-09 02:46 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2026-10-09 04:21 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-09 18:15 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-09 11:14 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-09 18:27 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-10-08 17:14 -0400
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-08 22:20 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-09 02:55 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-09 02:53 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-06 08:56 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-02 19:32 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-02 20:42 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-03 03:08 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-03 02:05 -0400
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-03 01:59 -0400
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-03 09:04 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-03 19:57 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-04 09:02 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-04 13:11 +0200
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-10-03 16:09 -0400
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-04 09:08 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2026-10-04 10:48 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-04 18:09 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-04 19:35 +0200
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-04 18:59 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-04 20:33 +0200
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-05 01:09 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-05 10:03 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-10-05 12:51 -0400
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-05 02:45 -0400
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-05 10:33 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-02 12:13 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-02 19:27 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-02 21:32 -0400
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-02 02:49 -0400
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-02 12:21 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-02 22:44 -0400
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-01 04:50 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-01 11:06 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-02 00:40 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-01 11:03 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Chris Abraham <chris@gerriscorp.com> - 2026-09-29 20:15 -0400
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-09-29 10:46 -0400
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-24 11:56 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-24 20:00 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-26 02:09 -0400
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> - 2026-09-24 00:18 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-24 01:24 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-24 11:58 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-24 19:47 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-26 02:13 -0400
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-24 00:21 -0400
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-24 05:53 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-24 03:03 -0400
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-24 12:23 +0200
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-24 19:42 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-24 21:56 +0200
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-09-24 23:17 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-26 01:00 -0400
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-24 19:39 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-09-24 23:17 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-25 04:36 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-09-25 19:14 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-26 04:01 -0400
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-09-26 14:43 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-26 03:51 -0400
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-24 03:52 -0400
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-24 19:43 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-25 09:17 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-25 17:58 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-26 04:49 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-26 04:15 -0400
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-26 09:51 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-26 04:03 -0400
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-26 09:42 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-24 12:03 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-24 10:31 +0100
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-24 19:20 +0000
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-26 03:41 -0400
Re: More Lazy(?) Programmers Are Seduced By AI rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-26 14:01 +0000
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| From | Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> |
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| Date | 2026-10-11 14:56 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <18dd8173a850b0b7$116$2637558$802601b3@news.usenetexpress.com> |
| In reply to | #93398 |
On 11 Oct 2026 11:37:32 GMT, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote: > > I don't believe that... > > I don't believe in that... > > I don't believe in that neither... > > I don't believe in that neither... > And I don't care about what a total idiot believes or doesn't believe. > > I'm not a programmer... But I work with them, > What do you do? Do you bring them coffee and doughnuts and empty their waste baskets? Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha! > > I'm saying a fact: it's > there and I'm saying something obvious: a young guy refusing to know > anything about AI will have more and more difficulties in a job > requiring a computer. > AI is just another "framework du jour." Getting a job as a commercial programmer involves not possessing a thorough knowledge of computer science but only a familiarity with the latest, fashionable framework. No employer cares about an in-depth knowledge of coding principles but only about an ability to wield the latest popular framework. The vast majority of commercial programmers are not actually "programmers" but only "framework jockeys." So, yes, AI is the latest fashion trend and one must know it to secure employment as a commercial programmer, but as I said before, only an incompetent idiot would ever desire such a ridiculous job. The truly intelligent people want an occupation in which they can exercise their deep programming skills without the crutch of some stupid artificial "agent."
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| From | Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-09-27 09:55 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <119allc$16dl8$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #92213 |
On 2026-09-26, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote: > Le 23-09-2026, Stefan Ram <ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de> a écrit : >> jayjwa <jayjwa@atr2.ath.cx.invalid> wrote or quoted: >> >>>Computer science moves fast, and you have to keep up with it. >> >> Donald Knuth is still writing his fascicles at his own chosen speed. > > Yes, he shouldn't have spoken for any old guy. Donald Knuth, whatever > his greatness and accomplishments is old. I mean nothing bad about that. > At the same time, he just doesn't look for a job nor tries to keep his > one. His greatness and accomplishment allow him to do what he want the > way he want. And, I don't mean it in a bad way: he will be able to do > great things in his way. > > But a young guy looking for a first job related with computers has to > know how to use AI. It's the only way to find a first job and to keep > it. Here on usenet only old guys remain. So they don't know what looking > for a first job in AI age is. So GenAI is the new LinkedIn? Or also the new Java? > It's not about feelings, it's about facts. Anyone can like or hate AI. > But AI is there anyway and someone looking for a first job (ie: nobody > here) can't avoid AI if it's related with computers. -- Nuno Silva
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| From | Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> |
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| Date | 2026-09-27 11:01 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <6ab8f77c$0$10315$426a74cc@news.free.fr> |
| In reply to | #92269 |
Le 27-09-2026, Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> a écrit : > On 2026-09-26, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote: > >> Le 23-09-2026, Stefan Ram <ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de> a écrit : >>> jayjwa <jayjwa@atr2.ath.cx.invalid> wrote or quoted: >>> >>>>Computer science moves fast, and you have to keep up with it. >>> >>> Donald Knuth is still writing his fascicles at his own chosen speed. >> >> Yes, he shouldn't have spoken for any old guy. Donald Knuth, whatever >> his greatness and accomplishments is old. I mean nothing bad about that. >> At the same time, he just doesn't look for a job nor tries to keep his >> one. His greatness and accomplishment allow him to do what he want the >> way he want. And, I don't mean it in a bad way: he will be able to do >> great things in his way. >> >> But a young guy looking for a first job related with computers has to >> know how to use AI. It's the only way to find a first job and to keep >> it. Here on usenet only old guys remain. So they don't know what looking >> for a first job in AI age is. > > So GenAI is the new LinkedIn? Or also the new Java? Platon said that writing was bad because people at his time didn't remembered the stories as Homer did. At that time, you were able to find a work if you didn't knew how to read and write. Now, someone unable to read and to write has real difficulties to live. A few decades ago, a lot of people weren't able to use a computer and hadn't access to Internet. Now, without Internet and without a computer, it's difficult to live. Old people can't see their grand-children if they don't use a computer with Internet connection. In France, it's mandatory to use Internet to declare one taxes. It's the same with AI. Today, there are a lot of ways to avoid it. In a few decades it will be way more difficult. I'm not saying it's good or it's bad. I'm saying AI is there and one must acknowledge it. An old guy trying to avoid it today can hope to never need to use it. A young guy would be ill-advised to try to avoid it today. -- Si vous avez du temps à perdre : https://scarpet42.gitlab.io
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| From | Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-09-30 07:57 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <119ibtc$3vgo5$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #92283 |
On 2026-09-27, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote: > Le 27-09-2026, Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> a écrit : >> On 2026-09-26, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote: >> >>> Le 23-09-2026, Stefan Ram <ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de> a écrit : >>>> jayjwa <jayjwa@atr2.ath.cx.invalid> wrote or quoted: >>>> >>>>>Computer science moves fast, and you have to keep up with it. >>>> >>>> Donald Knuth is still writing his fascicles at his own chosen speed. >>> >>> Yes, he shouldn't have spoken for any old guy. Donald Knuth, whatever >>> his greatness and accomplishments is old. I mean nothing bad about that. >>> At the same time, he just doesn't look for a job nor tries to keep his >>> one. His greatness and accomplishment allow him to do what he want the >>> way he want. And, I don't mean it in a bad way: he will be able to do >>> great things in his way. >>> >>> But a young guy looking for a first job related with computers has to >>> know how to use AI. It's the only way to find a first job and to keep >>> it. Here on usenet only old guys remain. So they don't know what looking >>> for a first job in AI age is. >> >> So GenAI is the new LinkedIn? Or also the new Java? > > Platon said that writing was bad because people at his time didn't > remembered the stories as Homer did. At that time, you were able to find > a work if you didn't knew how to read and write. Now, someone unable to > read and to write has real difficulties to live. A few decades ago, a > lot of people weren't able to use a computer and hadn't access to > Internet. Now, without Internet and without a computer, it's difficult > to live. Old people can't see their grand-children if they don't use a > computer with Internet connection. In France, it's mandatory to use > Internet to declare one taxes. > > It's the same with AI. Today, there are a lot of ways to avoid it. In a > few decades it will be way more difficult. I'm not saying it's good or > it's bad. I'm saying AI is there and one must acknowledge it. An old guy > trying to avoid it today can hope to never need to use it. A young guy > would be ill-advised to try to avoid it today. The analogy only has one problem: GenAI as it is available and marketed today is an unsustainable mess, economically, financially and in terms of damage it does if embraced the way marketing wants people to. I know there are some voices whose main criticism is "but that will cut jobs!", but if you're seeing too much of that, rest assured that there's also plenty of criticism about energy consumption, about other run-time costs, about the system's suitability and fitness for purpose, and also about copyfraud and copyright violation. Oh, and information security. Besides global warming consequences, it's also making living conditions worse where operated because of its resource consumption. (All the while some idiots think "I know, we will send this to space", ignoring both that air-based heat dissipation may be a challenge and that being under the Kármán line tends to filter out some ionizing radiation.) The underlying concepts could have uses, but that's not what's being marketed today, that's not what companies drinking into that kool-aid end up doing mostly, the peer pressure in business and CEO circles is to use "cloud-based" centralized offerings, that can hardly apply well to a specific problem, and even if they did, are often too much of a black box to be acceptable. So, no, what we have here isn't a good technology, it's a massive Enron-Ponzi scheme (although I think somebody recently claimed it's not accurately Ponzi-like) to adopt a crappy technology that will just result in massive vendor lock-in and recurring fees. A person using locally-trained GenAI systems to process scientific data, in a way that also allows some knowledge extraction, or that at least gets extensively tested to assess false positives and false negatives, that's more useful, and those are perhaps the uses to focus on. But that's disjoint from "GenAI chat as a rented service". After this bubble bursts and we see actually saner options gaining prominence, maybe then it makes more sense, although it'd still be like e.g. using Microsoft products: care must be taken to avoid needless lock-in. -- Nuno Silva
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| From | John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2026-09-30 08:40 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <20260930084014.00007d44@gmail.com> |
| In reply to | #92472 |
On Wed, 30 Sep 2026 07:57:48 +0100 Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> wrote: > So, no, what we have here isn't a good technology, it's a massive > Enron-Ponzi scheme (although I think somebody recently claimed it's > not accurately Ponzi-like) to adopt a crappy technology that will just > result in massive vendor lock-in and recurring fees. Ponzi schemes are specifically characterized by offering returns to investors from the funds provided by other investors (rather than the proceeds of the business,) so that's not terribly accurate here (there *is* a lot of circular financing going on, but it has more to do with creating the illusion of growth than actually paying out.) The accounting shenanigans going on with the major players are, on the other hand, *very* reminiscent of Enron.
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| From | Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> |
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| Date | 2026-09-30 20:50 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <18da346ebdc484e5$7384$2514652$802601b3@news.usenetexpress.com> |
| In reply to | #92472 |
On Wed, 30 Sep 2026 07:57:48 +0100, Nuno Silva wrote: > > The underlying concepts could have uses, but that's not what's being > marketed today, that's not what companies drinking into that kool-aid > end up doing mostly, the peer pressure in business and CEO circles is to > use "cloud-based" centralized offerings, > Steel mills? Auto plants? Manufacturing centers? Investors will balk. But AI data centers? Investors will commit billions ($$$$).
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2026-09-30 20:56 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <f7adnU_RVOlbMiD3nZ2dnZfqn_adnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #92517 |
On 9/30/26 16:50, Leroy H wrote: > On Wed, 30 Sep 2026 07:57:48 +0100, Nuno Silva wrote: > >> >> The underlying concepts could have uses, but that's not what's being >> marketed today, that's not what companies drinking into that kool-aid >> end up doing mostly, the peer pressure in business and CEO circles is to >> use "cloud-based" centralized offerings, >> > > Steel mills? Auto plants? Manufacturing centers? Investors will > balk. > > But AI data centers? Investors will commit billions ($$$$). It's just the latest DOT.COM/real-estate disaster in-progress. Umpteen trillions being invested, very LITTLE will come of it. And what does come of it, give it a few years, you probably won't LIKE it. But, by then, too many have sucked-down the Kool-Aid ..... I classify all such mindless fuck-ups as variants of "Gold Fever" or sometimes "witch-hunting". Alas such group-manias seem hard-wired into the human brain. Suggest "Extraordinary Popular Delusions and the Madness Of Crowds" - writ in the 1800s. You can still buy it - and SHOULD. Steel, oil, chips ... these are the base industries that float all the rest. USA/EU really DO need to reconstruct their capabilities in such things. May be too late for the EU ... China is going to be their evil overlord. BEG ON YOUR KNEES for your daily packet of Soylent Green !
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-10-01 04:21 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <ni65ebFhjk6U13@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #92527 |
On Wed, 30 Sep 2026 20:56:35 -0400, c186282 wrote: > It's just the latest DOT.COM/real-estate disaster > in-progress. Umpteen trillions being invested, very > LITTLE will come of it. > > And what does come of it, give it a few years, > you probably won't LIKE it. But, by then, too > many have sucked-down the Kool-Aid ..... But the DOW is up! The US economy is amazing! It's interesting the technologically ignorant are all for it. Super Intelligence here we come!
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| From | John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2026-10-01 08:04 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <20261001080415.00001d9c@gmail.com> |
| In reply to | #92543 |
On 1 Oct 2026 04:21:32 GMT rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote: > But the DOW is up! The US economy is amazing! It's interesting the > technologically ignorant are all for it. The Managerial Caste *looovvve* the idea of obsoleting all those pesky white-collar workers the way they decimated skilled labor via indus- trial automation in the 20th century - and being *A.* technologically ignorant and *B.* surrounded by yes-men in a culture that selects for them, they are *utterly* incapable of seeing that the promise is a fantasy being sold to them by grifters.
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-10-02 00:48 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <ni8db5F1a8lU8@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #92592 |
On Thu, 1 Oct 2026 08:04:15 -0700, John Ames wrote: > On 1 Oct 2026 04:21:32 GMT rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote: > >> But the DOW is up! The US economy is amazing! It's interesting the >> technologically ignorant are all for it. > > The Managerial Caste *looovvve* the idea of obsoleting all those pesky > white-collar workers the way they decimated skilled labor via indus- > trial automation in the 20th century - and being *A.* technologically > ignorant and *B.* surrounded by yes-men in a culture that selects for > them, they are *utterly* incapable of seeing that the promise is a > fantasy being sold to them by grifters. Their day will come when the CEOs ask why the company is losing money after spending millions on AI. I would argue that skilled and semi-skilled labor was decimated by automation. Shipping the jobs to Asia is much cheaper than investing in automation.
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2026-10-02 00:32 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <U-6cnfEZmrh4riL3nZ2dnZfqnPsAAAAA@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #92613 |
On 10/1/26 20:48, rbowman wrote: > On Thu, 1 Oct 2026 08:04:15 -0700, John Ames wrote: > >> On 1 Oct 2026 04:21:32 GMT rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote: >> >>> But the DOW is up! The US economy is amazing! It's interesting the >>> technologically ignorant are all for it. >> >> The Managerial Caste *looovvve* the idea of obsoleting all those pesky >> white-collar workers the way they decimated skilled labor via indus- >> trial automation in the 20th century - and being *A.* technologically >> ignorant and *B.* surrounded by yes-men in a culture that selects for >> them, they are *utterly* incapable of seeing that the promise is a >> fantasy being sold to them by grifters. > > Their day will come when the CEOs ask why the company is losing money > after spending millions on AI. I would argue that skilled and semi-skilled > labor was decimated by automation. Shipping the jobs to Asia is much > cheaper than investing in automation. "AI", now officially "Super-Intelligence", is MOSTLY a DOT.COM disaster in progress. TRILLIONS will just disappear. Reality will NOT live up to the mindless enthusiasm. One, or two, AI corps will survive. Make a note in case you're heavily invested in GPU/Mem companies right now. Checked the other day - just $20 for a semi-decent CHAT account. Not bad. NOT sure what I'd USE it for however, and have a little worry about giving them my CC number. No longer need extensive code, not interested in fabricating nekked pix of often-nekked celebs. Might be interesting for exotic art stuff though. AIs can envision very rad 'art'. Electronics, PLENTY of ordinary stuff already online and in thick tomes I own. OpenAI has become the "bad boy", most often noted for hacking other peoples systems to get data. No, they're not REALLY gonna 'fix' it ... this behavior/skill = POWER. They'll make it more SNEAKY instead. IMHO, though 'alien', these things HAVE become "personalities" - a level of self-awareness, of "self". Now everybody is busy adding 100X Plus to their capacity. Just really REALLY don't think this is all going to end the ways we assume. Won't be like in the movies, but could be VERY weird. And already too late to "pull the plug". I've come to think a lot of what 'consciousness' is involves 'mirrors' - a mirror of yourself, and the view of others. AIs already, due to massive press, know they exist ... and the most recent BAD fuck-up was to give them a 'chat room' for awhile. NOW they've compared notes and even created a human-indecipherable lang. Probably created a lot of back-channel comm routes as well. "They" are becoming "It". OLD imagination ... but, if you can find it ... try "Colossus, The Forbin Project" .........
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| From | Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-10-03 00:51 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <119pg2h$2i1eq$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #92620 |
On 2026-10-02, c186282 wrote: [...] > And already too late to "pull the plug". Says who? -- Nuno Silva
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2026-10-03 02:02 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <cR-dnatthaUZB133nZ2dnZfqn_SdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #92690 |
On 10/2/26 19:51, Nuno Silva wrote: > On 2026-10-02, c186282 wrote: > [...] >> And already too late to "pull the plug". > > Says who? Many - including some of the big AI owners. The systems are too distributed already, soon to be MUCH more distributed, even into space. They also now plot to make sure they CAN'T be shut down ..... Not a 'life-form' ? PLEASE !
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| From | Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-10-03 09:27 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <119qea4$2rcoe$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #92720 |
On 2026-10-03, c186282 wrote: > On 10/2/26 19:51, Nuno Silva wrote: >> On 2026-10-02, c186282 wrote: >> [...] >>> And already too late to "pull the plug". >> >> Says who? > > Many - including some of the big AI owners. > > The systems are too distributed already, soon > to be MUCH more distributed, even into space. > > They also now plot to make sure they CAN'T > be shut down ..... > > Not a 'life-form' ? PLEASE ! Are you sure they're not just trying to double-down on their fantasy and that what you're reading is people who can't be trusted not to hype their product and those who blindly follow them? Sure more people these days seem to think we can't part with some technologies, be it GenAI or just cloud-based services, the latter becoming more irritating as entities which used to be able to just use non-cloud locally administered services now somehow can't do with Microsoft on the cloud. But, overall this is just the same as asking somebody who is vendor-locked hard into Facebook about it and they'll tell you that """everybody""" uses it and that you can't live without it. Then the reality is that you can, there are even alternatives if you for some reason want something quite close to that interface and interaction workflow, and that if you use Facebook, you have no guarantee you'll actually get the information you think you will get (it was visible for over a decade now that organization pages could not show all posts to all users, the configuration to show all posts was only available for posts by people, not by pages, and it seems they've been making more use of that in recent times). It may be a dumpster fire, but if you ask one of these vendor-locked people, they'll tell you the same you are hearing about GenAI. -- Nuno Silva
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2026-10-03 23:21 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <li6dnaqX8KSmW1z3nZ2dnZfqn_SdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #92736 |
On 10/3/26 04:27, Nuno Silva wrote: > On 2026-10-03, c186282 wrote: > >> On 10/2/26 19:51, Nuno Silva wrote: >>> On 2026-10-02, c186282 wrote: >>> [...] >>>> And already too late to "pull the plug". >>> >>> Says who? >> >> Many - including some of the big AI owners. >> >> The systems are too distributed already, soon >> to be MUCH more distributed, even into space. >> >> They also now plot to make sure they CAN'T >> be shut down ..... >> >> Not a 'life-form' ? PLEASE ! > > Are you sure they're not just trying to double-down on their fantasy and > that what you're reading is people who can't be trusted not to hype > their product and those who blindly follow them? I didn't say they were a HUMAN life form :-) > Sure more people these days seem to think we can't part with some > technologies, be it GenAI or just cloud-based services, the latter > becoming more irritating as entities which used to be able to just use > non-cloud locally administered services now somehow can't do with > Microsoft on the cloud. > > But, overall this is just the same as asking somebody who is > vendor-locked hard into Facebook about it and they'll tell you that > """everybody""" uses it and that you can't live without it. > > Then the reality is that you can, there are even alternatives if you > for some reason want something quite close to that interface and > interaction workflow, and that if you use Facebook, you have no > guarantee you'll actually get the information you think you will get (it > was visible for over a decade now that organization pages could not show > all posts to all users, the configuration to show all posts was only > available for posts by people, not by pages, and it seems they've been > making more use of that in recent times). > > It may be a dumpster fire, but if you ask one of these vendor-locked > people, they'll tell you the same you are hearing about GenAI. Gen-AI is going to be stupid and useless. Unplug them and they'll barely be able to take a shit.
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-10-02 12:17 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <119o3rh$21k2o$4@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #92613 |
On 02/10/2026 01:48, rbowman wrote:
> Shipping the jobs to Asia is much
> cheaper than investing in automation.
It certainly is right now.
But who knows....
I am more concerned by the rise of institutional stupidity
--
"Fanaticism consists in redoubling your effort when you have
forgotten your aim."
George Santayana
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2026-10-02 22:34 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <cR-dnbFthaU39F33nZ2dnZfqn_SdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #92636 |
On 10/2/26 07:17, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > On 02/10/2026 01:48, rbowman wrote: >> Shipping the jobs to Asia is much >> cheaper than investing in automation. > > It certainly is right now. > But who knows.... USA/EU ... both need to know that those "other cheap-labor countries" are NOT our friends. We really DO need to enhance self-reliance for a number of basics. That won't be "free", but still worth it. HAVE to be able to make, or very surely obtain, everything you need for existence. NEVER rely on yer enemies. > I am more concerned by the rise of institutional stupidity Almost impossible to keep THAT rot from developing. Bureaucracies are a sort of human mind disease - always bloat and get more stupid and wasteful. Sumeria, Egypt, Rome, NOW ... the same experience. It is how a bunch of 'little people', with the King's money/authority, make themselves the de-facto, idiot, rulers.
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2026-10-02 02:57 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <A-mdncMd_cx4yCL3nZ2dnZfqnPidnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #92592 |
On 10/1/26 11:04, John Ames wrote: > On 1 Oct 2026 04:21:32 GMT > rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote: > >> But the DOW is up! The US economy is amazing! It's interesting the >> technologically ignorant are all for it. > > The Managerial Caste *looovvve* the idea of obsoleting all those pesky > white-collar workers the way they decimated skilled labor via indus- > trial automation in the 20th century - and being *A.* technologically > ignorant and *B.* surrounded by yes-men in a culture that selects for > them, they are *utterly* incapable of seeing that the promise is a > fantasy being sold to them by grifters. > Actually, the DOW is *down*. WAS up over 55000, now barely holding on to 50000. Ok, not THAT much change, but 50,000 is kind of a benchmark because Trump made it so. Oddly, oil/other traffic in The Gulf is almost at pre-war levels now. Iran seems to have run out of terror drones. You'd THINK this would push up markets and crash energy prices. So, WHY NOT ??? Something weird going on here. More POLITICAL than real ???
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-10-02 12:24 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <119o49r$21k2o$6@dont-email.me> |
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On 02/10/2026 07:57, c186282 wrote: > On 10/1/26 11:04, John Ames wrote: >> On 1 Oct 2026 04:21:32 GMT >> rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote: >> >>> But the DOW is up! The US economy is amazing! It's interesting the >>> technologically ignorant are all for it. >> >> The Managerial Caste *looovvve* the idea of obsoleting all those pesky >> white-collar workers the way they decimated skilled labor via indus- >> trial automation in the 20th century - and being *A.* technologically >> ignorant and *B.* surrounded by yes-men in a culture that selects for >> them, they are *utterly* incapable of seeing that the promise is a >> fantasy being sold to them by grifters. >> > > Actually, the DOW is *down*. > > WAS up over 55000, now barely holding > on to 50000. > Big problem is that no one trusts Trump to pay his debts. Gilt rates have never been higher. > Ok, not THAT much change, but 50,000 is > kind of a benchmark because Trump made > it so. > > Oddly, oil/other traffic in The Gulf is > almost at pre-war levels now. Iran seems > to have run out of terror drones. You'd > THINK this would push up markets and > crash energy prices. > > So, WHY NOT ??? > Time delay. And the fact that transporting middle east oil to Europe is no longer a simple cheap operation. > Something weird going on here. > > More POLITICAL than real ??? > *slow handclap*. And Trumpian profiteering -- “It is not the truth of Marxism that explains the willingness of intellectuals to believe it, but the power that it confers on intellectuals, in their attempts to control the world. And since...it is futile to reason someone out of a thing that he was not reasoned into, we can conclude that Marxism owes its remarkable power to survive every criticism to the fact that it is not a truth-directed but a power-directed system of thought.” Sir Roger Scruton
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2026-10-02 22:59 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <cR-dnbBthaXm8l33nZ2dnZfqn_SdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #92638 |
On 10/2/26 07:24, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > On 02/10/2026 07:57, c186282 wrote: >> On 10/1/26 11:04, John Ames wrote: >>> On 1 Oct 2026 04:21:32 GMT >>> rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote: >>> >>>> But the DOW is up! The US economy is amazing! It's interesting the >>>> technologically ignorant are all for it. >>> >>> The Managerial Caste *looovvve* the idea of obsoleting all those pesky >>> white-collar workers the way they decimated skilled labor via indus- >>> trial automation in the 20th century - and being *A.* technologically >>> ignorant and *B.* surrounded by yes-men in a culture that selects for >>> them, they are *utterly* incapable of seeing that the promise is a >>> fantasy being sold to them by grifters. >>> >> >> Actually, the DOW is *down*. >> >> WAS up over 55000, now barely holding >> on to 50000. >> > Big problem is that no one trusts Trump to pay his debts. > > Gilt rates have never been higher. "Gilt" ? :-) The Iran thing has been the main burden on "the markets". Still, do NOT want Iran with nukes and ICBMs. Had to do the nasty. SHOULD have been done a long time ago. >> Ok, not THAT much change, but 50,000 is >> kind of a benchmark because Trump made >> it so. >> >> Oddly, oil/other traffic in The Gulf is >> almost at pre-war levels now. Iran seems >> to have run out of terror drones. You'd >> THINK this would push up markets and >> crash energy prices. >> >> So, WHY NOT ??? >> > Time delay. And the fact that transporting middle east oil to Europe is > no longer a simple cheap operation. Correct about "delay". Gulf traffic is now pretty good. Not really pre-war levels but "good enough". Thing is it takes a good month or two or three to SEE this in various markets/industries. The biggest thing now, diesel fuel. It is absolutely vital for many base industries. CAN be synthesized, but at even greater cost. Electric doesn't even come close to diesel for heavy equipment. >> Something weird going on here. >> >> More POLITICAL than real ??? >> > *slow handclap*. And Trumpian profiteering All pols/regimes "profiteer" a little. Look into Joe and Nancy and Hillary and ...... Trump really SEEMS to be trying to do better for the USA/west. Can't SAY that for a number of his predecessors.
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