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Micro-Review "ATT Home-Advanced" System c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-24 01:42 -0400
Re: Micro-Review "ATT Home-Advanced" System Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-09-24 10:33 +0100
Re: Micro-Review "ATT Home-Advanced" System The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-24 11:53 +0100
Re: Micro-Review "ATT Home-Advanced" System Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-09-25 03:43 +0000
Re: Micro-Review "ATT Home-Advanced" System c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-26 00:08 -0400
Re: Micro-Review "ATT Home-Advanced" System The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-26 09:31 +0100
Re: Micro-Review "ATT Home-Advanced" System Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-09-26 10:01 +0000
Re: Micro-Review "ATT Home-Advanced" System The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-26 12:04 +0100
Re: Micro-Review "ATT Home-Advanced" System c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-26 21:39 -0400
Re: Micro-Review "ATT Home-Advanced" System c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-26 21:32 -0400
Re: Micro-Review "ATT Home-Advanced" System The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 07:59 +0100
Re: Micro-Review "ATT Home-Advanced" System c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-27 03:16 -0400
Re: Micro-Review "ATT Home-Advanced" System The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 08:38 +0100
Re: Micro-Review "ATT Home-Advanced" System rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-27 19:02 +0000
Re: Micro-Review "ATT Home-Advanced" System The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-28 08:58 +0100
Re: Micro-Review "ATT Home-Advanced" System rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-28 17:33 +0000
Re: Micro-Review "ATT Home-Advanced" System c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-29 03:25 -0400
Re: Micro-Review "ATT Home-Advanced" System c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-01 01:37 -0400
Re: Micro-Review "ATT Home-Advanced" System c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-02 01:39 -0400
Re: Micro-Review "ATT Home-Advanced" System "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-02 11:47 +0200
Re: Micro-Review "ATT Home-Advanced" System The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-02 12:10 +0100
Re: Micro-Review "ATT Home-Advanced" System "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-02 19:57 +0200
Re: Micro-Review "ATT Home-Advanced" System rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-03 03:13 +0000
Re: Micro-Review "ATT Home-Advanced" System c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-03 02:07 -0400
Re: Micro-Review "ATT Home-Advanced" System The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-03 08:47 +0100
Re: Micro-Review "ATT Home-Advanced" System c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-03 04:04 -0400
Re: Micro-Review "ATT Home-Advanced" System rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-03 20:15 +0000
Re: Micro-Review "ATT Home-Advanced" System c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-03 23:53 -0400
Re: Micro-Review "ATT Home-Advanced" System rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-04 04:29 +0000
Re: Micro-Review "ATT Home-Advanced" System c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-04 02:03 -0400
Re: Micro-Review "ATT Home-Advanced" System rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-04 19:10 +0000
Re: Micro-Review "ATT Home-Advanced" System The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-05 09:56 +0100
Re: Micro-Review "ATT Home-Advanced" System c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-03 01:58 -0400
Re: Micro-Review "ATT Home-Advanced" System rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-02 19:34 +0000
Re: Micro-Review "ATT Home-Advanced" System The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-02 20:40 +0100
Re: Micro-Review "ATT Home-Advanced" System c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-02 21:25 -0400
Re: Micro-Review "ATT Home-Advanced" System c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-02 21:18 -0400
Re: Micro-Review "ATT Home-Advanced" System Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-03 05:00 +0000
Re: Micro-Review "ATT Home-Advanced" System c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-03 02:13 -0400
Re: Micro-Review "ATT Home-Advanced" System Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2026-10-03 09:17 +0000
Re: Micro-Review "ATT Home-Advanced" System The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-03 11:51 +0100
Re: Micro-Review "ATT Home-Advanced" System "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-03 13:22 +0200
Re: Micro-Review "ATT Home-Advanced" System c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-03 23:28 -0400
Re: Micro-Review "ATT Home-Advanced" System "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-04 12:57 +0200
Re: Micro-Review "ATT Home-Advanced" System rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-04 18:55 +0000
Re: Micro-Review "ATT Home-Advanced" System The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-05 09:32 +0100
Re: Micro-Review "ATT Home-Advanced" System rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-05 19:31 +0000
Re: Micro-Review "ATT Home-Advanced" System c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-05 02:31 -0400
Re: Micro-Review "ATT Home-Advanced" System "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-05 14:42 +0200
Re: Micro-Review "ATT Home-Advanced" System rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-03 20:05 +0000
Re: Micro-Review "ATT Home-Advanced" System The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-03 08:46 +0100
Re: Micro-Review "ATT Home-Advanced" System c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-03 03:59 -0400
Re: Micro-Review "ATT Home-Advanced" System "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-03 13:37 +0200
Re: Micro-Review "ATT Home-Advanced" System rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-03 20:07 +0000
Re: Micro-Review "ATT Home-Advanced" System "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-04 13:00 +0200
Re: Micro-Review "ATT Home-Advanced" System rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-04 18:23 +0000
Re: Micro-Review "ATT Home-Advanced" System "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-03 13:20 +0200
Re: Micro-Review "ATT Home-Advanced" System "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-03 13:36 +0200
Re: Micro-Review "ATT Home-Advanced" System Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2026-10-02 06:33 -0700
Re: Micro-Review "ATT Home-Advanced" System c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-03 01:52 -0400
Re: Micro-Review "ATT Home-Advanced" System rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-03 20:12 +0000
Re: Micro-Review "ATT Home-Advanced" System Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2026-10-03 17:23 -0700
Re: Micro-Review "ATT Home-Advanced" System rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-04 03:53 +0000
Re: Micro-Review "ATT Home-Advanced" System c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-04 00:04 -0400
Re: Micro-Review "ATT Home-Advanced" System rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-04 04:19 +0000
Re: Micro-Review "ATT Home-Advanced" System Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2026-10-04 13:46 -0700
Re: Micro-Review "ATT Home-Advanced" System Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2026-10-05 02:52 +0000
Re: Micro-Review "ATT Home-Advanced" System c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-05 03:49 -0400
Re: Micro-Review "ATT Home-Advanced" System rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-05 19:26 +0000
[OT] Ex-Nokia HMD feature phones (was: Re: Micro-Review "ATT Home-Advanced" System) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-07 10:22 +0100
Re: [OT] Ex-Nokia HMD feature phones (was: Re: Micro-Review "ATT Home-Advanced" System) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-07 18:21 +0000
Re: Micro-Review "ATT Home-Advanced" System Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-05 23:20 +0000
Re: Micro-Review "ATT Home-Advanced" System rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-06 01:56 +0000
Re: Micro-Review "ATT Home-Advanced" System c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-07 01:29 -0400
Re: Micro-Review "ATT Home-Advanced" System Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-10-08 14:22 +0000
Re: Micro-Review "ATT Home-Advanced" System rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-08 20:28 +0000
Re: Micro-Review "ATT Home-Advanced" System c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-09 02:34 -0400
Re: Micro-Review "ATT Home-Advanced" System Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2026-10-09 17:38 +0000
Re: Micro-Review "ATT Home-Advanced" System Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-07 10:23 +0100
Re: Micro-Review "ATT Home-Advanced" System c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-07 01:10 -0400
Re: Micro-Review "ATT Home-Advanced" System Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-07 17:28 +0100
Re: Micro-Review "ATT Home-Advanced" System c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-08 04:06 -0400
Re: Micro-Review "ATT Home-Advanced" System Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-08 09:45 +0100
Re: Micro-Review "ATT Home-Advanced" System Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-10-09 14:40 +0000
Re: Micro-Review "ATT Home-Advanced" System c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-11 00:50 -0400
Re: Micro-Review "ATT Home-Advanced" System c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-04 03:36 -0400
Re: Micro-Review "ATT Home-Advanced" System c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-03 23:47 -0400
Re: Micro-Review "ATT Home-Advanced" System rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-04 04:34 +0000
Re: Micro-Review "ATT Home-Advanced" System c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-04 02:14 -0400
Re: Micro-Review "ATT Home-Advanced" System rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-04 19:06 +0000
Re: Micro-Review "ATT Home-Advanced" System Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-05 01:35 +0100
Re: Micro-Review "ATT Home-Advanced" System The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-05 09:47 +0100
Re: Micro-Review "ATT Home-Advanced" System Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2026-09-27 06:53 -0700
Re: Micro-Review "ATT Home-Advanced" System Fritz Wuehler <fritz@spamexpire-202609.rodent.frell.theremailer.net> - 2026-09-26 17:05 +0200
Re: Micro-Review "ATT Home-Advanced" System rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-26 20:00 +0000
Re: Micro-Review "ATT Home-Advanced" System The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-24 11:43 +0100
Re: Micro-Review "ATT Home-Advanced" System Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-09-25 03:50 +0000
Re: Micro-Review "ATT Home-Advanced" System The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-25 09:11 +0100
Re: Micro-Review "ATT Home-Advanced" System "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-25 12:28 +0200
Re: Micro-Review "ATT Home-Advanced" System c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-26 01:54 -0400
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2026-09-24 01:42 -0400 |
| Subject | Micro-Review "ATT Home-Advanced" System |
| Message-ID | <fI6dnY1o3citJSn3nZ2dnZfqn_qdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
Old wires went bad - and ATT, not unexpectedly, was not interested in fixing them. They HATE copper. ANY excuse to dump it. Fiber ... well ... they ain't gonna because my old wire is wrapped in dense vines that intertwine with my power transformer and the utility is NOT interested in dealing with that despite the friendly BS on their web site. Electrocution hazard. My house is not very friendly to new cables either - concrete and real wood and uncertain electric routing. SO ... got talked into buying a "Phone Advanced" system. This is basically a tower-like cell-phone ... except it has plugs on the back for the old hardwire devices/phones. You can buy up to ten 'lines' and plug whatever into them. It is more meant for an existing 'business'. First off ... despite big antennas ... the cell sensitivity is terrible. My place IS in a sort of dead zone already - not many bars even outdoors. The concrete and metal roof don't improve this. Even thus, my cheepo flip phone gets at least one more bar. The tech, good guy, got it working ... but kept cycling slowly between two bars and NO bars. Kept moving the thing around until I found a convenient spot with an (almost) steady ONE bar. It'll all stay there for now. Works, barely. DOES work with my old inline answer device. This is great. Nice easy buttons, no "star" codes or similar BS. Ordered a spare device. Yep, still sold. No, they're NOT gonna add cell towers just because I ask. STILL haven't completely figured out how to create a new online acct management site so I can PAY them. You'd think they'd make THAT easy. Not. There's also supposed to be an "online device-set portal". Even the tech was not sure what THAT was. The theory is a page where you can see/set every option. HAVE considered buying an evil 'smartphone' as a sort of third number that'll also do some of the tricks/apps they want. I'd mostly leave it on the counter. HOWEVER it'd be a good excuse to get the store people to setup and combine my accounts and 100% kill the old landline shit. NO Apple ! Android ! Provider became unaccessible online the past few weeks. Tapped the reset button on my 5G router. NOW they want some very annoying 'shadow match' "captchas". Not as easy being 70-ish as when I was a teen. There's also the un-usable 'audio challenge' with synth "animal noises". Sorry, NOT familiar with some of the species. The AIs will be trained to do 'em better than me within a month or two anyway ..... Disabilities Act lawsuits ... gotta shop around for lawyers and class-actions ..... something very DIFFERENT needed for the over-50 crowd. ANYway ... kinda STUCK with this for awhile. My old hardline phone # is still important to have, some biz and govt and relatives have just THAT number for contact. Ok, 90% of my calls are scams/surveys/come-ons, but still ....... OWN a 'cell booster' device. Technically you are supposed to get 'permission' - wouldn't, doubt anyone does. But it still requires attaching a kind of substantial outdoor antenna - too old for ladders now - and there's advice on how close/where to put the repeater unit. But, even ONE bar gain would be well WORTH it. WireLESS seem to be the future. Alas they are selling it before enough infrastructure exists. Anyway, the device - IF you have the coverage - does work. You can add up to 10 "lines" and there's a plug for each. FAX machine (they DO still have their uses), add a line. Can attach a wireless home phone system too so you can have units here and there. DO demand caller-ID and the answer device inline though ... GOTTA screen these days. "PLEASE LEAVE A MESSAGE AFTER THE TONE" scares off most. In theory you can link it with yer WAN. NO info on how to set any needed access passwords. Manual sez if the cell conn drops it will then use yer WAN device for connection. No good details on all that at all. DO have a all-in-one printer though that WILL send FAXes, but I'd need to buy another 'line' and have NO good idea how to route the wire. Sorry, OLD, no more crawling in attics - they'd find me dead and mummified up there :-) Now, finally, gonna price StarLink internet. Seems pretty good - though antenna placement will be a bit of a pain where I live. Way too many veggies. WOULD have to weld-up a custom wall mount. Screw it to the roof on a tripod ? NO ! 100+ MPH winds ARE possible here and even the 'small' StarLink antennas are kind of a 'sail'. Steel into concrete, full support frame ! Oops ! "Micro-review" got bigger, sorry ! :-) Anyway, "modern realities". Kinda suck.
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| From | Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> |
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| Date | 2026-09-24 10:33 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <nhk940Frtm6U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #92056 |
c186282 wrote: > Old wires went bad - and ATT, not unexpectedly, was not interested in > fixing them. They HATE copper. ANY excuse to dump it. The minute that BT offers to swap my copper for fibre, I'll snap their arm off. They were repairing the duct outside my house until 9pm last night, so hopefully we're getting close now ...
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-09-24 11:53 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <1192vef$2hl7b$10@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #92063 |
On 24/09/2026 10:33, Andy Burns wrote: > > c186282 wrote: > >> Old wires went bad - and ATT, not unexpectedly, was not interested in >> fixing them. They HATE copper. ANY excuse to dump it. > > The minute that BT offers to swap my copper for fibre, I'll snap their > arm off. They were repairing the duct outside my house until 9pm last > night, so hopefully we're getting close now ... Precisely. It was during Covid lock-down that I noticed all these vans and diggers and stuff. When I asked them 'what are you doing?' and they said 'laying fibre ducts for BT Openreach' I was onto my ISP immediately. I had to wait a couple of months before they said 'yes' we can connect you' and that was that. What has really made a difference is not the speed. It is the pure reliability. Yes now and again a route flap will stop internet for a few tens of seconds but my link to the ISP itself has NEVER failed. I could manage on my DSL speeds = 1Mbps up and around 5Mbps down. I am about ten times as fast now, which is handy when doing Linux upgrades but really its the reliability that scores. In the UK high speed broadband for [almost] all was made a target for the fibre people to achieve, and they got government assistance to help do it. Because it was deemed a strategic policy, in the same way that roads are. A 'have to have' to actually engage with the modern world. I have no idea why the USA would want tp lag behind the rest of the world so much, beyond the usual belief that the USA is the best of all possible shitholes and therefore nothing needs doing (done?) -- There is something fascinating about science. One gets such wholesale returns of conjecture out of such a trifling investment of fact. Mark Twain
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| From | Rich <rich@example.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-09-25 03:43 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <1194qke$38del$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #92068 |
The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote: > What has really made a difference is not the speed. It is the pure > reliability. Yes now and again a route flap will stop internet for a few > tens of seconds but my link to the ISP itself has NEVER failed. Well, the additional speed *is* nice.... But agreed, the reliability is night and day above DSL. My FIOS has only gone out once, and that turned out to have been caused by a Verizon tech disconnecting the wrong fiber bundle in some "box" on a pole somewhere several blocks away. My old DSL links, every single one of them, the DSL modem needed to be rebooted about once every few days in order for the link to remain up. For the 3com modems that were supplied, that had serial console ports externally accessible, I setup a cron job to reboot the damn things every night about 3am, just to keep the link stable. When the ISP upgraded to some newer DSL modem without a serial console port externally accessible, a "lights timer" set to power cycle the thing once a day cured the issue again. But the FIOS, it's just always on.
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2026-09-26 00:08 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <fnmdnba3Yqa82Cr3nZ2dnZfqnPednZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #92063 |
On 9/24/26 05:33, Andy Burns wrote: > > c186282 wrote: > >> Old wires went bad - and ATT, not unexpectedly, was not interested in >> fixing them. They HATE copper. ANY excuse to dump it. > > The minute that BT offers to swap my copper for fibre, I'll snap their > arm off. They were repairing the duct outside my house until 9pm last > night, so hopefully we're getting close now ... No fiber for me ... nasty dense vines have engulfed the phone line AND my power transformer. Electrocution hazard. Power corp is NOT interested in fixing any of this - basically advise calling 911 Fire if/WHEN something bursts into flames. Been after them for two months - nada. Of course their WEB PAGE sez they are SO concerned :-) So, anyway, kinda STUCK with wireless 'solutions'. Alas I'm kind of in a dead zone there too. Not gonna change anytime soon. Life ain't always fair. LOOKING into StarLink. Price ain't bad. WOULD have to fab a custom antenna mount to fit a concrete wall alas. Possible. Too old to climb ladders now, would have to hire a handyman. Used to BE a pretty good handyman on top of the IT stuff. What a drag it is getting old ... 1/8th iron or 3/16ths aluminum I figure, has to be cat-3 resistant. StarLink antennas are kind of "sails". Mount shape = shallow triangle with one side a bit longer ... ideal pointing here is north-northeast and just a bit of extra tilt in that direction. There ARE pointing charts. HAVE had cat-2 and low cat-3 winds here before, prolonged. It's a serious engineering issue. Tends to shake everything apart and make it fly into the neighbors houses.
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-09-26 09:31 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <1197vte$aj7i$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #92177 |
On 26/09/2026 05:08, c186282 wrote: > No fiber for me ... nasty dense vines have > engulfed the phone line AND my power transformer. Why would you think fibre would take the same route? -- The lifetime of any political organisation is about three years before its been subverted by the people it tried to warn you about. Anon.
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| From | Rich <rich@example.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-09-26 10:01 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <119855n$cbsf$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #92197 |
The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote: > On 26/09/2026 05:08, c186282 wrote: >> No fiber for me ... nasty dense vines have >> engulfed the phone line AND my power transformer. > > Why would you think fibre would take the same route? Because like an AI, "speed of light" hallucinates an incorrect reason and in his case then sticks to it through thick and thin.
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-09-26 12:04 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <11988sl$dq29$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #92204 |
On 26/09/2026 11:01, Rich wrote: > The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote: >> On 26/09/2026 05:08, c186282 wrote: >>> No fiber for me ... nasty dense vines have >>> engulfed the phone line AND my power transformer. >> >> Why would you think fibre would take the same route? > > Because like an AI, "speed of light" hallucinates an incorrect reason > and in his case then sticks to it through thick and thin. Ooh. You bitch! -- "When one man dies it's a tragedy. When thousands die it's statistics." Josef Stalin
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2026-09-26 21:39 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <v-idnUeSX4FG7iX3nZ2dnZfqn_idnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #92204 |
On 9/26/26 06:01, Rich wrote: > The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote: >> On 26/09/2026 05:08, c186282 wrote: >>> No fiber for me ... nasty dense vines have >>> engulfed the phone line AND my power transformer. >> >> Why would you think fibre would take the same route? > > Because like an AI, "speed of light" hallucinates an incorrect reason > and in his case then sticks to it through thick and thin. Sorry, heavily-vegetated property. Only ONE semi-good route for wires and now it's NOT so good. So, probably wireless forever. Did find a kinda-good spot for a StarLink antenna though ... but gotta build a custom mounting frame.
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2026-09-26 21:32 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <v-idnUSSX4Gl7yX3nZ2dnZfqn_idnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #92197 |
On 9/26/26 04:31, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > On 26/09/2026 05:08, c186282 wrote: >> No fiber for me ... nasty dense vines have >> engulfed the phone line AND my power transformer. > > Why would you think fibre would take the same route? Only semi-clear way into the property.
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-09-27 07:59 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <119aerl$148vi$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #92246 |
On 27/09/2026 02:32, c186282 wrote: > On 9/26/26 04:31, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >> On 26/09/2026 05:08, c186282 wrote: >>> No fiber for me ... nasty dense vines have >>> engulfed the phone line AND my power transformer. >> >> Why would you think fibre would take the same route? > > Only semi-clear way into the property. > underground? -- "Nature does not give up the winter because people dislike the cold." ― Confucius
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2026-09-27 03:16 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <MGSdnWxDta5DXyX3nZ2dnZfqn_udnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #92253 |
On 9/27/26 02:59, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > On 27/09/2026 02:32, c186282 wrote: >> On 9/26/26 04:31, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >>> On 26/09/2026 05:08, c186282 wrote: >>>> No fiber for me ... nasty dense vines have >>>> engulfed the phone line AND my power transformer. >>> >>> Why would you think fibre would take the same route? >> >> Only semi-clear way into the property. >> > underground? They are NOT gonna do that. And the POWER corp is, eventually, planning to underground. I can just see a MASSIVE nasty short circuit under my house ....... And six MONTHS without power OR comms. Would have to live in a hotel and find some ways to FAKE habitation to deter thieves. Look, these big corps DON'T CARE about their customers anymore.
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-09-27 08:38 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <119ah4s$14n5b$3@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #92257 |
On 27/09/2026 08:16, c186282 wrote: > And the POWER corp is, eventually, planning > to underground. > > I can just see a MASSIVE nasty short circuit > under my house ....... > > And six MONTHS without power OR comms. Would > have to live in a hotel and find some ways > to FAKE habitation to deter thieves. Good grief. When the builders digging my foundation sliced through the cable with the excavator bucket, we had the electricity company on site next day, and he first replaced the 60A blown fuse with a 100A one 'to make sure we have a proper fault' and used a meter to work out exactly where the short was when THAT blew. Hammered a stick in the ground and told the excavator man to 'dig there' Well he had already DUG there, that was in fact the problem... But we exposed enough cable to cut it and splice in a new bit with lots of water proofing and armouring, and the house s stayed at 100A supply thereafter, Which is how things work when the nation is civilised and there are no politics in the way. Contrast to the house down the road that had a heating oil line running in the concrete floor. When that went, the insurance and the environment control sad 'whole floor has to come up and the contaminated soil must be dug out 6 foot deep and all replaced with a new floor etc etc.. When I spilt 100litres of fuel oil I kept my mouth shut. It smelt for a few years and killed the grass. But it all came back.. -- "When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are all in confederacy against him." Jonathan Swift.
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-09-27 19:02 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <nht7i2FsunhU5@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #92261 |
On Sun, 27 Sep 2026 08:38:04 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > Hammered a stick in the ground and told the excavator man to 'dig there' > Well he had already DUG there, that was in fact the problem... I worked for a contractor for a couple of months. Rather than call before digging his instructions to the backhoe operator were to keep digging; he would call if any cables were dug up. It was a valuable experience. I learned how to cut every corner in the book and wind up with a salable house. A fireplace and hardwood floors would entice the naive buyers. They would discover the trout pond in the basement and the leach field laid in a swamp at some future date.
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-09-28 08:58 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <119d6m9$24b8p$5@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #92338 |
On 27/09/2026 20:02, rbowman wrote: > On Sun, 27 Sep 2026 08:38:04 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > >> Hammered a stick in the ground and told the excavator man to 'dig there' >> Well he had already DUG there, that was in fact the problem... > > I worked for a contractor for a couple of months. Rather than call before > digging his instructions to the backhoe operator were to keep digging; he > would call if any cables were dug up. > > It was a valuable experience. I learned how to cut every corner in the > book and wind up with a salable house. A fireplace and hardwood floors > would entice the naive buyers. They would discover the trout pond in the > basement and the leach field laid in a swamp at some future date. Now who is being negative about people... -- “Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities.” ― Voltaire, Questions sur les Miracles à M. Claparede, Professeur de Théologie à Genève, par un Proposant: Ou Extrait de Diverses Lettres de M. de Voltaire
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-09-28 17:33 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <nhvmmmFsunhU17@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #92356 |
On Mon, 28 Sep 2026 08:58:01 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > Now who is being negative about people... Overall I tilt towards a negative assessment of my fellow man. They're human, all too human, and are easily distracted by shiny objects.
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2026-09-29 03:25 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <XeGdnee2zJpD-ib3nZ2dnZfqn_ednZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #92388 |
On 9/28/26 13:33, rbowman wrote: > On Mon, 28 Sep 2026 08:58:01 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > >> Now who is being negative about people... > > Overall I tilt towards a negative assessment of my fellow man. They're > human, all too human, and are easily distracted by shiny objects. And, of course, YOU aren't ....... :-) MANY things 'shine'. Suggest a more 'holistic' view of yer "fellow man" and the "human condition". Sorry, being a comp/OS guru is NOT the pinnacle of human existence. Oft USEFUL, but not the Big Picture. One of the traditional virtues is "humility", a lack of hubris. Just sayin' dude. Better life for all in that. Whether IQ 90 or IQ 190, we all have our unique, randomly useful, skill/experience sets. Be nice.
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2026-10-01 01:37 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <DM6cnfLYVq8ZbCD3nZ2dnZfqn_SdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #92407 |
On 9/29/26 03:25, c186282 wrote: > On 9/28/26 13:33, rbowman wrote: >> On Mon, 28 Sep 2026 08:58:01 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >> >>> Now who is being negative about people... >> >> Overall I tilt towards a negative assessment of my fellow man. They're >> human, all too human, and are easily distracted by shiny objects. > > And, of course, YOU aren't ....... :-) > > MANY things 'shine'. > > Suggest a more 'holistic' view of yer "fellow man" > and the "human condition". > > Sorry, being a comp/OS guru is NOT the pinnacle > of human existence. Oft USEFUL, but not the Big > Picture. > > One of the traditional virtues is "humility", > a lack of hubris. > > Just sayin' dude. > > Better life for all in that. Whether IQ 90 or > IQ 190, we all have our unique, randomly > useful, skill/experience sets. > > Be nice. > Note : "Phone-Advanced" system : DID finally manage to create a new online acct. email is WRONG - foreign agent, likely does not hear letters/syllables the same, gonna have to brave the computer help system - horrible ! Did manage to make a PAYMENT though - good sign. Did get into the 'application portal' at least once - made all desired changes right then in case I can never get into it again. Have old school inline answer device - MUCH easier than any online bullshit, so turned voicemail OFF after setting more rings than the device. Alas, despite being a kind of cell, it does NOT get TEXT messages anywhere apparently. Still want to buy a more traditional "smartphone", One of the Samsung S series seems ideal, not TOO expensive but well reviewed. CAN do 'apps' (hate them) and direct payments using one however. NOT sure whether to go with ATT or a competitor though. MIGHT be better with a competitor because ATT, in case of serious probs, won't be able to lock it out. 2FA ability is now something we can't do without. SOME - to a degree ATT - are now kinda 3FA ... hoping they DROP that bullshit because it's Just TOO and I'm getting too old to deal with 'captchas' (Disabilities Act lawsuits MAY be on the horizon - bet a million would sign on). Oh, the smartphone ... 99.9% just plugged into the charger on a shelf. HATE the things with a passion, Apple products twice as much ! NOT remotely 'intuitive' for ME. Note EVERY major carrier charges TWICE as much for such phones as the Amazon "unlocked" equiv. I just don't want to try and COPE with registering an 'unlocked' phone now alas, leave that to the sweet-16s. Does "JitterBug", phones for OLD people, have any kind of 'smartphone' now ? Gotta check ! Umm - MAY, but all seems through "lively.com" which I'm not sure is real/trustworthy. Anyway, not playing games or streaming 8k through the thing. JitterBug is famous for flip phones with BIG keys and simple large-ish displays. Older folks LOVE them. Plans are good too. Hey, tinytiny text and tiny on-screen keys do NOT mesh with being over 65 !!! Gen-Z ain't there yet - but WILL be :-) Hmm ... digital TIMER for the charger ? If not used much we only want to charge for maybe 30 minutes a week or the battery will suffer. Many such devices for sale. Anyway, that's the update on this device. I *can* theoretically buy up to TEN 'lines', there is a plug on it for each. It's kind of a 'business' device really. If I had fax machines and such that'd be the way to go. Yes, FAX still CAN be useful ! May wanna check online for a cheap device ... but I *think* my Everything-Printer/Scanner thingie CAN send faxes. The WIRING would be a nightmare however ... no plaster-board walls or drop ceilings here and NO I'm not gonna get on ladders anymore ! Had to MOVE the device from where-installed. Kept getting a very weird CYCLING of signal strength ... zero bars slowly up to two bars and then down to zero again. NOT good. Where I moved it I get ONE bar, but (almost) constantly. Cell service where I am is BAD and they're NOT gonna fix it anytime soon. Anyway, just an update on this 'new' technology. Final extra bit ... SEEMS that for a mere $20 I can buy a slightly upgraded CHAT-GPT account. SHOULD I buy it ? While I really REALLY don't like "AI" (now "Super-Intelligence") it MAY become kind of indispensible in the very NEAR future. I will credit Trump here for the re-name. He said the term "artificial" intelligence was obsolete. Whatever the fuck today's big corps have created is not really 'artificial' anymore ... it's a sort of alien-ish REAL intelligence - "by another means". Yea, LLMs aren't the BEST way, but put a trillion bucks or so into them and ....... "Super-Intelligence" is something that can solve almost ALL your vexing problems FAST. Might be able to solve faster-than-light in a few days if properly informed. Math prodigies are in SHOCK, so MANY beloved intractable issues solved in just DAYS, sometimes HOURS. Future system cap will be at least 10-100X today's. What HAVE we made ??? Alas we won't know until it's WAY too late ....... Oh well, have gone on too long ...
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2026-10-02 01:39 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <U-6cnfAZmrg_3iL3nZ2dnZfqnPudnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #92546 |
Followup : After finally barely managing to do an e-pay on the new acct, got a PAPER bill yesterday. I did NOT turn off paper billing ... good thing, the paper bills have LOTS of useful numbers and shit you don't see in e-bills. WILL send in a check for slightly over the amount on the paper bill. This should get me at least a month's credit balance. WHY ? Because I'm getting OLD and might get stuck in a hospital bed for a month. Do NOT want all my comms to go down in the interim. Do the same thing with the electric and water bills. Hey, if I had no legs or whatever, WHO is gonna wheel me into the "local" offices to pay the back-bills ??? Ugly reality. What a drag it is getting old. Remaining : Spend an hour+ with "customer service" getting the e-mail address fixed. NOT my favorite thing. Also cell service at my place is BAD - and they're not gonna add any new antennas anytime soon. The new landline-replacement has ONE bar, but (almost) consistently one bar where I've placed it. Every so often the connection DROPS ... blinking lights ... for a minute. Will NOT use that line to call customer service because that requires a certain LONG-term connection or you have to try all over again. Anyway, alas, wireless IS replacing 'wired'. the providers HATE wired ... won't fix it, excuses excuses. Wireless is CHEAP, physical wires and the techs, EXPENSIVE. Micro-note : after moving my new faux-landline I also moved my wireless internet thingie about two feet. A useful PI in the back of the house suddenly could not get a good signal. At some point I'd mentioned moving the PI about four inches to improve signal, NOW moved it about four inches BACK ... double the signal. These are 2.4 ... 5.x is even worse with signal "shadows". So, wireless net ... pretty consistent two bars now. Wireless phone, pretty consistent one bar. BARELY usable, but usable. Seems the best we can expect these days. Oh well, 'socialists' would screw it up even more ... Hmmmmmm .... how soon before 300-baud dial-up comes back into fashion because nothing else is remotely reliable ?????? Remember 300 baud ? You could read the feed AS it came in - THAT slow :-) DO remember even slower rates because I'm old. 110 was so much fun, but *50* was also a standard. Today, SPOILED BRATS. Project, IF limited to 50 baud, how DO you format/encode yer vital data for efficient transmission ? What's "vital" and cannot be 'derived' and what CAN be derived later ? Just thinking "post-ww3" ... a FEW nukes and EMPs and major cyber-attacks. 50 baud can be done over old AM radio connections, devices you can make from the old manuals and a few crap surplus parts. Hey, 50-110-300, those are what the old 'super-computers', the big IBM/DEC/etc computers, used to send major biz figures across the world back In The Day. It worked. Sorry, no PDFs or JPGs or anything remotely like those.
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| From | "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-10-02 11:47 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <ni9cu4F79ogU3@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #92621 |
On 2026-10-02 07:39, c186282 wrote:
> Followup :
>
> After finally barely managing to do an e-pay
> on the new acct, got a PAPER bill yesterday.
> I did NOT turn off paper billing ... good
> thing, the paper bills have LOTS of useful
> numbers and shit you don't see in e-bills.
>
> WILL send in a check for slightly over the
> amount on the paper bill. This should get
> me at least a month's credit balance.
>
> WHY ? Because I'm getting OLD and might get
> stuck in a hospital bed for a month. Do NOT
> want all my comms to go down in the interim.
> Do the same thing with the electric and
> water bills. Hey, if I had no legs or
> whatever, WHO is gonna wheel me into the
> "local" offices to pay the back-bills ???
Over here, the utilities charge via automatic draft from the bank. They
will not accept anything else.
So not a problem if I'm out for a month or two.
--
Cheers,
Carlos E.R.
ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺.
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