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Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO !

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  Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-15 03:52 -0400
    Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de> - 2026-09-15 10:54 +0200
      Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-09-15 23:30 +0000
    Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! Woozy Song <suzyw0ng@outlook.com> - 2026-09-15 17:08 +0800
      Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-15 16:38 +0100
        Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-15 17:21 +0000
          Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-15 21:32 +0200
            Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-16 01:07 +0100
              Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-16 00:35 +0000
                Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-16 07:13 +0200
                  Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-16 11:38 +0100
                  Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-16 21:26 -0400
                    Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-17 08:17 +0200
                      Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-17 06:25 +0000
                        Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-17 08:38 +0200
                        Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-17 03:34 -0400
                      Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-17 02:41 -0400
                        Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-17 09:44 +0200
                          Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-09-17 17:44 +0000
                            Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-17 20:38 +0200
                            Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-17 19:39 +0000
                          Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-17 19:35 +0000
                            Ventoy for ISO management? (Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO !) Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2026-09-26 09:23 -0700
                              Re: Ventoy for ISO management? (Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO !) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-26 19:21 +0000
                              Re: Ventoy for ISO management? (Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO !) jayjwa <jayjwa@atr2.ath.cx.invalid> - 2026-09-26 19:21 -0400
                                Re: Tips for dd ( was Re: Ventoy for ISO management?) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-09-27 03:00 +0000
                                  Re: Tips for dd ( was Re: Ventoy for ISO management?) Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> - 2026-09-27 04:18 +0000
                                    Re: Tips for dd ( was Re: Ventoy for ISO management?) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-09-27 07:05 +0000
                                      Re: Tips for dd ( was Re: Ventoy for ISO management?) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 09:17 +0100
                                        Re: Tips for dd ( was Re: Ventoy for ISO management?) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 12:57 +0100
                                          Re: Tips for dd ( was Re: Ventoy for ISO management?) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-27 14:23 +0200
                                            Re: Tips for dd ( was Re: Ventoy for ISO management?) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 17:41 +0100
                                              Re: Tips for dd ( was Re: Ventoy for ISO management?) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-27 19:55 +0200
                                      Re: Tips for dd ( was Re: Ventoy for ISO management?) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-27 12:53 +0200
                                        Re: Tips for dd ( was Re: Ventoy for ISO management?) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 18:04 +0100
                                  Re: Tips for dd ( was Re: Ventoy for ISO management?) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-27 04:13 -0400
                                  Re: Tips for dd ( was Re: Ventoy for ISO management?) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-27 12:53 +0200
                                    Re: Tips for dd ( was Re: Ventoy for ISO management?) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-28 01:37 -0400
                                      Re: Tips for dd ( was Re: Ventoy for ISO management?) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-28 10:09 +0200
                                        Re: Tips for dd ( was Re: Ventoy for ISO management?) Philippe <p.naudin+nntp@free.fr> - 2026-09-28 12:10 +0200
                                          Re: Tips for dd ( was Re: Ventoy for ISO management?) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-09-28 23:03 +0000
                              Re: Ventoy for ISO management? (Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO !) "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2026-09-27 18:56 +0200
                                Re: Ventoy for ISO management? (Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO !) Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-09-27 18:17 +0100
                              Re: Ventoy for ISO management? (Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO !) ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) - 2026-09-28 00:50 +0000
                        Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-17 19:28 +0000
                Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-16 11:37 +0100
                  Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-16 18:04 +0000
                ISO9660 images, vfat USB mass storage devices and El Torito (was: Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO !) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-16 18:55 +0100
                  Re: ISO9660 images, vfat USB mass storage devices and El Torito c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-16 22:25 -0400
                    Re: ISO9660 images, vfat USB mass storage devices and El Torito "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-17 08:22 +0200
                      Re: ISO9660 images, vfat USB mass storage devices and El Torito c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-17 03:28 -0400
                        Re: ISO9660 images, vfat USB mass storage devices and El Torito "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-17 10:32 +0200
                          Re: ISO9660 images, vfat USB mass storage devices and El Torito rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-17 20:25 +0000
                          Re: ISO9660 images, vfat USB mass storage devices and El Torito c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-17 21:26 -0400
                            Re: ISO9660 images, vfat USB mass storage devices and El Torito "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-19 21:39 +0200
                              Re: ISO9660 images, vfat USB mass storage devices and El Torito rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-20 01:55 +0000
                                Re: ISO9660 images, vfat USB mass storage devices and El Torito "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-20 14:10 +0200
                                  Re: ISO9660 images, vfat USB mass storage devices and El Torito rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-20 17:35 +0000
                                    Re: ISO9660 images, vfat USB mass storage devices and El Torito "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-20 21:01 +0200
                                      Re: ISO9660 images, vfat USB mass storage devices and El Torito rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-21 02:28 +0000
                                        Re: ISO9660 images, vfat USB mass storage devices and El Torito "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-21 11:36 +0200
                                          Re: ISO9660 images, vfat USB mass storage devices and El Torito rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-21 19:06 +0000
                                            Re: ISO9660 images, vfat USB mass storage devices and El Torito "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-21 21:48 +0200
            Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-16 00:33 +0000
              Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-16 07:14 +0200
                Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-09-16 05:45 +0000
                  Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-16 08:52 +0200
                    Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-09-16 07:44 +0000
                      Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-16 10:07 +0200
                        Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-16 17:53 +0000
                          Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-17 14:02 +0100
                            Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-17 19:02 +0000
                              Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-17 22:18 +0100
                Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-16 06:18 +0000
                  Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-16 11:39 +0100
                    Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-16 17:48 +0000
                      Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-16 20:40 +0200
                        Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-16 21:40 -0400
                          Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-16 22:18 -0400
                            Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-09-17 03:29 +0000
                              Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-17 08:25 +0200
                              Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-17 02:33 -0400
                          Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-17 14:11 +0100
                            Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-17 20:40 +0200
                      Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-17 14:00 +0100
                Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-16 21:27 -0400
                  Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-17 02:11 +0000
                  Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-17 14:07 +0100
                    Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-17 19:41 +0000
              Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-16 11:35 +0100
                Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-16 18:02 +0000
                  Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-17 14:04 +0100
          Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-16 01:05 +0100
    Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2026-09-15 05:50 -0700
      Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! Philippe <p.naudin+nntp@free.fr> - 2026-09-15 15:23 +0200
        Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! Bud Frede <frede@mouse-potato.com> - 2026-10-08 15:52 -0400
          Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! Cóilín Nioclásín Glostéir <thanks-to@Taf.com> - 2026-10-10 18:40 +0000
            Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-11 00:12 -0400
              Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-10-11 10:01 +0100
                Monochrome and readability (was: Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO !) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-11 10:15 +0100
                  Re: Monochrome and readability The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-11 10:37 +0100
                  Re: Monochrome and readability c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-12 01:06 -0400
                    Re: Monochrome and readability Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-10-12 10:12 +0100
                      Re: Monochrome and readability Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-12 21:08 +0000
                        Re: Monochrome and readability John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-10-12 14:50 -0700
                          Re: Monochrome and readability Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-10-15 02:51 +0000
                        Re: Monochrome and readability c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-13 00:58 -0400
                    Re: Monochrome and readability Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-12 16:27 +0000
                      Re: Monochrome and readability Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-12 21:14 +0000
                        Re: Monochrome and readability c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-13 01:37 -0400
                        Re: Monochrome and readability "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-13 12:50 +0200
                Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-11 10:37 +0100
                Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-11 21:31 +0000
              Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-11 10:31 +0100
      Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-09-15 14:40 +0100
      Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-15 17:24 +0000
      Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-09-16 01:50 +0000
        Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> - 2026-09-16 02:31 +0000
        Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-16 06:25 +0000

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#91608

From"Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>
Date2026-09-17 08:25 +0200
Message-ID<lndsnmx95q.ln2@Telcontar.valinor>
In reply to#91601
On 2026-09-17 05:29, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
> On 2026-09-17, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote:
> 
>> On 9/16/26 21:40, c186282 wrote:
>>
>>> On 9/16/26 14:40, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2026-09-16 19:48, rbowman wrote:


>>>>>   From the original statement, copying an iso to a thumbdrive to save
>>>>> it or
>>>>> move it around is not 'create a bootable thumbdrive'. 'cp' doesn't
>>>>> reformat and a 4.2 GB SUSE iso can't be copied to a vfat device.
>>>>> Formatting it to exfat works but it isn't automatic.
>>>>
>>>> Actually
>>>>
>>>>     cp image.iso /dev/sdX
>>>>
>>>> works :-)  :-p
>>>
>>>     Hey ! I'll try it !
>>>
>>>     I take it that treating the stick as a /dev is
>>>     the magic secret ?
>>>
>>>     You're still better off with 'Etcher' or equivs
>>>     since they checksum/verify what you've done.
>>
>>     Hey - WORKED !
>>
>>     Had an old usb2 stick, completely reset it with an MSDOS
>>     part table and a FAT32 data partition. Then did yer trick.
>>
>>     It boots ! Touchpad doesn't work but that's an Antix
>>     problem.
>>
>>     Unless they added it recently though, 'cp' alone does
>>     not seem to do any data-integrity checks on the dest.
> 
> Now that you've gone this far, how about changing the command to
> 
>      cmp image.iso /dev/sdX
> 
> and see whether that verifies it?
> (Haven't tried it, just a thought...)
> 

I have (not today), it works. You can create an image, too:

   cp /dev/sdX image.img

-- 
Cheers, Carlos.
ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;

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#91609

Fromc186282 <c186282@nnada.net>
Date2026-09-17 02:33 -0400
Message-ID<_4OdnQrHEs26Fzb3nZ2dnZfqn_qdnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#91601
On 9/16/26 23:29, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
> On 2026-09-17, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote:
> 
>> On 9/16/26 21:40, c186282 wrote:
>>
>>> On 9/16/26 14:40, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2026-09-16 19:48, rbowman wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, 16 Sep 2026 11:39:18 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 16/09/2026 07:18, rbowman wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, 16 Sep 2026 07:14:56 +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 2026-09-16 02:33, rbowman wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 15 Sep 2026 21:32:20 +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> It works fine in a fat formatted thumb drive, because the
>>>>>>>>>> installation process destroys the format and uses its own instead.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> What installation process in copying an iso to a thumbdrive?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> dd if=isofile.iso of=/dev/sda
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I don't use Data Destroyer.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> More fool you then
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There are plenty of other 'burn' programs available
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm lazy. With GNOME Files (Nautilus) on Ubuntu and Mint or Dolphin on
>>>>> Fedora, right click on the iso and select Disk Image Writer. Job done
>>>>> without remembering dd's cryptic command line.
>>>>>
>>>>> My SUSE Tumbleweed is KDE but Dolphin doesn't have the option. So far
>>>>> Tumbleweed is okay but it does have oddities.
>>>>>
>>>>>   From the original statement, copying an iso to a thumbdrive to save
>>>>> it or
>>>>> move it around is not 'create a bootable thumbdrive'. 'cp' doesn't
>>>>> reformat and a 4.2 GB SUSE iso can't be copied to a vfat device.
>>>>> Formatting it to exfat works but it isn't automatic.
>>>>
>>>> Actually
>>>>
>>>>     cp image.iso /dev/sdX
>>>>
>>>> works :-)  :-p
>>>
>>>     Hey ! I'll try it !
>>>
>>>     I take it that treating the stick as a /dev is
>>>     the magic secret ?
>>>
>>>     You're still better off with 'Etcher' or equivs
>>>     since they checksum/verify what you've done.
>>
>>     Hey - WORKED !
>>
>>     Had an old usb2 stick, completely reset it with an MSDOS
>>     part table and a FAT32 data partition. Then did yer trick.
>>
>>     It boots ! Touchpad doesn't work but that's an Antix
>>     problem.
>>
>>     Unless they added it recently though, 'cp' alone does
>>     not seem to do any data-integrity checks on the dest.
> 
> Now that you've gone this far, how about changing the command to
> 
>      cmp image.iso /dev/sdX

   Ah, but that's a SECOND STEP, nothing built
   into the 'cp' command. You can also make, then
   later check, a checksum on source/dest files.

> and see whether that verifies it?
> (Haven't tried it, just a thought...)

   As said, MORE COMPLICATIONS.

   'cp' is kind of stupid. Not BLAMING it, it's
   meant to be 'simple', but, well, just sayin'

   When billions of bytes are involved, the chance
   of errors increases.

   Still think utils like 'Etcher' are best for
   creating bootable sticks. They're doing all
   the mentioned stuff IN THE BACKGROUND so YOU
   don't have to. Recently had a BAD version of
   Kali ... generally looked OK, but Etcher found
   problems. Other distros loaded OK.

   BUT, the cp to the stick as a 'device' IS very
   interesting. Been fooling with Linux since it
   came on floppies but never seemed to come across
   this particular trick.

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#91646

FromThe Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Date2026-09-17 14:11 +0100
Message-ID<118gotp$a423$9@dont-email.me>
In reply to#91593
On 17/09/2026 02:40, c186282 wrote:
> On 9/16/26 14:40, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>> On 2026-09-16 19:48, rbowman wrote:
>>> On Wed, 16 Sep 2026 11:39:18 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 16/09/2026 07:18, rbowman wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 16 Sep 2026 07:14:56 +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2026-09-16 02:33, rbowman wrote:
>>>>>>> On Tue, 15 Sep 2026 21:32:20 +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It works fine in a fat formatted thumb drive, because the
>>>>>>>> installation process destroys the format and uses its own instead.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What installation process in copying an iso to a thumbdrive?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> dd if=isofile.iso of=/dev/sda
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't use Data Destroyer.
>>>> More fool you then
>>>>
>>>> There are plenty of other 'burn' programs available
>>>
>>> I'm lazy. With GNOME Files (Nautilus) on Ubuntu and Mint or Dolphin on
>>> Fedora, right click on the iso and select Disk Image Writer. Job done
>>> without remembering dd's cryptic command line.
>>>
>>> My SUSE Tumbleweed is KDE but Dolphin doesn't have the option. So far
>>> Tumbleweed is okay but it does have oddities.
>>>
>>>  From the original statement, copying an iso to a thumbdrive to save 
>>> it or
>>> move it around is not 'create a bootable thumbdrive'. 'cp' doesn't
>>> reformat and a 4.2 GB SUSE iso can't be copied to a vfat device.
>>> Formatting it to exfat works but it isn't automatic.
>>
>> Actually
>>
>>    cp image.iso /dev/sdX
>>
>> works :-)  :-p
> 
> 
>    Hey ! I'll try it !
> 
>    I take it that treating the stick as a /dev is
>    the magic secret ?
> 
Yes. Maybe. That is the raw disk sectors exposed as a single 'file object'
However cp also wants to add a filename and some permissions. I am not 
sure how that would work.

dd if=x.iso of=/dev/sdc is guaranteed to simply transfer the bytes. No 
filenames involved


>    You're still better off with 'Etcher' or equivs
>    since they checksum/verify what you've done.
> 
Exactly, At various times Ive used whatever was convenient

-- 
There is nothing a fleet of dispatchable nuclear power plants cannot do 
that cannot be done worse and more expensively and with higher carbon 
emissions and more adverse environmental impact by adding intermittent 
renewable energy.

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#91656

From"Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>
Date2026-09-17 20:40 +0200
Message-ID<8qotnmxmbu.ln2@Telcontar.valinor>
In reply to#91646
On 2026-09-17 15:11, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 17/09/2026 02:40, c186282 wrote:
>> On 9/16/26 14:40, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>> On 2026-09-16 19:48, rbowman wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 16 Sep 2026 11:39:18 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 16/09/2026 07:18, rbowman wrote:
>>>>>> On Wed, 16 Sep 2026 07:14:56 +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 2026-09-16 02:33, rbowman wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Tue, 15 Sep 2026 21:32:20 +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It works fine in a fat formatted thumb drive, because the
>>>>>>>>> installation process destroys the format and uses its own instead.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What installation process in copying an iso to a thumbdrive?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> dd if=isofile.iso of=/dev/sda
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't use Data Destroyer.
>>>>> More fool you then
>>>>>
>>>>> There are plenty of other 'burn' programs available
>>>>
>>>> I'm lazy. With GNOME Files (Nautilus) on Ubuntu and Mint or Dolphin on
>>>> Fedora, right click on the iso and select Disk Image Writer. Job done
>>>> without remembering dd's cryptic command line.
>>>>
>>>> My SUSE Tumbleweed is KDE but Dolphin doesn't have the option. So far
>>>> Tumbleweed is okay but it does have oddities.
>>>>
>>>>  From the original statement, copying an iso to a thumbdrive to save 
>>>> it or
>>>> move it around is not 'create a bootable thumbdrive'. 'cp' doesn't
>>>> reformat and a 4.2 GB SUSE iso can't be copied to a vfat device.
>>>> Formatting it to exfat works but it isn't automatic.
>>>
>>> Actually
>>>
>>>    cp image.iso /dev/sdX
>>>
>>> works :-)  :-p
>>
>>
>>    Hey ! I'll try it !
>>
>>    I take it that treating the stick as a /dev is
>>    the magic secret ?
>>
> Yes. Maybe. That is the raw disk sectors exposed as a single 'file object'
> However cp also wants to add a filename and some permissions. I am not 
> sure how that would work.

Not a problem, the destination does not support it. Either that, or cp 
is aware that the destination is not a filesystem and just copies the bytes.

> 
> dd if=x.iso of=/dev/sdc is guaranteed to simply transfer the bytes. No 
> filenames involved
> 
> 
>>    You're still better off with 'Etcher' or equivs
>>    since they checksum/verify what you've done.
>>
> Exactly, At various times Ive used whatever was convenient
> 


-- 
Cheers, Carlos.
ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;

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#91642

FromThe Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Date2026-09-17 14:00 +0100
Message-ID<118go8s$a423$5@dont-email.me>
In reply to#91576
On 16/09/2026 18:48, rbowman wrote:
> On Wed, 16 Sep 2026 11:39:18 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> 
>> On 16/09/2026 07:18, rbowman wrote:
>>> On Wed, 16 Sep 2026 07:14:56 +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2026-09-16 02:33, rbowman wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, 15 Sep 2026 21:32:20 +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> It works fine in a fat formatted thumb drive, because the
>>>>>> installation process destroys the format and uses its own instead.
>>>>>
>>>>> What installation process in copying an iso to a thumbdrive?
>>>>
>>>> dd if=isofile.iso of=/dev/sda
>>>
>>> I don't use Data Destroyer.
>> More fool you then
>>
>> There are plenty of other 'burn' programs available
> 
> I'm lazy. With GNOME Files (Nautilus) on Ubuntu and Mint or Dolphin on
> Fedora, right click on the iso and select Disk Image Writer. Job done
> without remembering dd's cryptic command line.
> 
That will do nicely.

> My SUSE Tumbleweed is KDE but Dolphin doesn't have the option. So far
> Tumbleweed is okay but it does have oddities.
> 
>  From the original statement, copying an iso to a thumbdrive to save it or
> move it around is not 'create a bootable thumbdrive'. 'cp' doesn't
> reformat and a 4.2 GB SUSE iso can't be copied to a vfat device.
> Formatting it to exfat works but it isn't automatic.

Exactly

-- 
Climate Change: Socialism wearing a lab coat.

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#91592

Fromc186282 <c186282@nnada.net>
Date2026-09-16 21:27 -0400
Message-ID<_vCcncYlZvxO3Db3nZ2dnZfqn_GdnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#91540
On 9/16/26 01:14, Carlos E. R. wrote:
> On 2026-09-16 02:33, rbowman wrote:
>> On Tue, 15 Sep 2026 21:32:20 +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>
>>> It works fine in a fat formatted thumb drive, because the installation
>>> process destroys the format and uses its own instead.
>>
>> What installation process in copying an iso to a thumbdrive?
> 
> dd if=isofile.iso of=/dev/sda
> 
>>> Who is using a fat stick to save isos today, anyway? Not Linux users.
>>> Use exfat at least.
>>
>> This Linux user happened to have an older thumb drive laying around. I
>> never worried about the format since I wasn't copying any files greater
>> than 4 GB.

   Well, you can copy an ISO file to the stick,
   but it won't BOOT.

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#91595

Fromrbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Date2026-09-17 02:11 +0000
Message-ID<nh10j8F83ghU33@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#91592
On Wed, 16 Sep 2026 21:27:42 -0400, c186282 wrote:

> On 9/16/26 01:14, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>> On 2026-09-16 02:33, rbowman wrote:
>>> On Tue, 15 Sep 2026 21:32:20 +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>>
>>>> It works fine in a fat formatted thumb drive, because the
>>>> installation process destroys the format and uses its own instead.
>>>
>>> What installation process in copying an iso to a thumbdrive?
>> 
>> dd if=isofile.iso of=/dev/sda
>> 
>>>> Who is using a fat stick to save isos today, anyway? Not Linux users.
>>>> Use exfat at least.
>>>
>>> This Linux user happened to have an older thumb drive laying around. I
>>> never worried about the format since I wasn't copying any files
>>> greater than 4 GB.
> 
>    Well, you can copy an ISO file to the stick,
>    but it won't BOOT.

NO SHIT!

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#91645

FromThe Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Date2026-09-17 14:07 +0100
Message-ID<118gomq$a423$8@dont-email.me>
In reply to#91592
On 17/09/2026 02:27, c186282 wrote:
> On 9/16/26 01:14, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>> On 2026-09-16 02:33, rbowman wrote:

>>> This Linux user happened to have an older thumb drive laying around. I
>>> never worried about the format since I wasn't copying any files greater
>>> than 4 GB.
> 
Until you were.
Seriously, that is an idiotic statement

>    Well, you can copy an ISO file to the stick,
>    but it won't BOOT.
> 
It takes but a moment to reformat a >4GB thumbdrive to NTFS or EXT4.


-- 
“Ideas are inherently conservative. They yield not to the attack of 
other ideas but to the massive onslaught of circumstance"

    -  John K Galbraith

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#91661

Fromrbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Date2026-09-17 19:41 +0000
Message-ID<nh2u3qF499oU5@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#91645
On Thu, 17 Sep 2026 14:07:38 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> It takes but a moment to reformat a >4GB thumbdrive to NTFS or EXT4.

Or exfat...

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#91565

FromThe Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Date2026-09-16 11:35 +0100
Message-ID<118dre0$39eq9$10@dont-email.me>
In reply to#91517
On 16/09/2026 01:33, rbowman wrote:
> On Tue, 15 Sep 2026 21:32:20 +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote:
> 
>> It works fine in a fat formatted thumb drive, because the installation
>> process destroys the format and uses its own instead.
> 
> What installation process in copying an iso to a thumbdrive?

The linux installation process?

>>
>> Who is using a fat stick to save isos today, anyway? Not Linux users.
>> Use exfat at least.
> 
> This Linux user happened to have an older thumb drive laying around. I
> never worried about the format since I wasn't copying any files greater
> than 4 GB.
> 

-- 
Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as 
foolish, and by the rulers as useful.

(Seneca the Younger, 65 AD)

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#91580

Fromrbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Date2026-09-16 18:02 +0000
Message-ID<nh03u1F83ghU26@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#91565
On Wed, 16 Sep 2026 11:35:44 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> On 16/09/2026 01:33, rbowman wrote:
>> On Tue, 15 Sep 2026 21:32:20 +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>> 
>>> It works fine in a fat formatted thumb drive, because the installation
>>> process destroys the format and uses its own instead.
>> 
>> What installation process in copying an iso to a thumbdrive?
> 
> The linux installation process?

One more time for the slow: copying an iso to a thumbdrive is the same as 
copying a cat video to a thumb drive. In this case I'd downloaded the iso 
on the Mint laptop and wanted to move it to the Fedora box to create a VM. 
No install from a bootable drive involved.

For the curious, why did I want to do that? With the Verizon MiFi the 
older Intel wifi on the Fedora box was slower than shit. The StarLink 
router does have an ethernet port that I'm using for the Fedora box. The 
rest are on wifi. 

The old Mint Broadcom wifi isn't great but speedtest shows 47 Mbps down, 
which is adequate for it. The newer devices show the full 100 Mbps.

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#91644

FromThe Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Date2026-09-17 14:04 +0100
Message-ID<118goho$a423$7@dont-email.me>
In reply to#91580
On 16/09/2026 19:02, rbowman wrote:
> One more time for the slow: copying an iso to a thumbdrive is the same as
> copying a cat video to a thumb drive. In this case I'd downloaded the iso
> on the Mint laptop and wanted to move it to the Fedora box to create a VM.
> No install from a bootable drive involved.
The WTF not use an EXT4 formatted thumbdrive or USB removable disk?

Or the friggin network.

Even FTP works
You could probably even use some kind of serial protocols over USB.

-- 
“Ideas are inherently conservative. They yield not to the attack of 
other ideas but to the massive onslaught of circumstance"

    -  John K Galbraith

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#91515

FromThe Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Date2026-09-16 01:05 +0100
Message-ID<118cmgl$2t1q9$11@dont-email.me>
In reply to#91485
On 15/09/2026 18:21, rbowman wrote:
> On Tue, 15 Sep 2026 16:38:03 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> 
>> On 15/09/2026 10:08, Woozy Song wrote:
>>> c186282 wrote:
>>>> Remember when Linux used to be SMALL ???
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Yes they used to make 'enterprise' linux that fitted on 1 DVD,
>>> now bloat bloat bloat
>>
>> It still does...
>> Linux images/linuxmint-22.3-mate-64bit.iso 3.1 GB (3134275584 bytes)
> 
> SUSE Leap's offline installer is 4.2G. The largest iso I have is Omarchy
> at 5.9G. SUSE should still make it on a single layer DVD but not on a vfat
> formatted thumb drive. It does include 3 DEs.

However very few computers have DVD drives these days. USB boot has 
superseded it, I have a fairly large USB spinning rust that I use ...

-- 
There’s a mighty big difference between good, sound reasons and reasons 
that sound good.

Burton Hillis (William Vaughn, American columnist)

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#91476

FromLars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com>
Date2026-09-15 05:50 -0700
Message-ID<118beuc$2eit0$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#91469
On 9/15/2026 00:52, c186282 wrote:
> Remember when Linux used to be SMALL ???

I remember when 20+ floppies for Red Hat Linux were replaced by one CD.

Then it grew to one DVD. Then the DVD had to be dual layer.

So now it is a Blu-Ray disc.
-- 
Lars Poulsen - an old geek in Santa Barbara, California

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#91477

FromPhilippe <p.naudin+nntp@free.fr>
Date2026-09-15 15:23 +0200
Message-ID<20260915152306.528e346e@peinard.chezmoi>
In reply to#91476
Le mar. 15 sept. 2026 05:50:20, Lars Poulsen a écrit:

> On 9/15/2026 00:52, c186282 wrote:
> > Remember when Linux used to be SMALL ???  
> 
> I remember when 20+ floppies for Red Hat Linux were replaced by one CD.
> 
> Then it grew to one DVD. Then the DVD had to be dual layer.
> 
> So now it is a Blu-Ray disc.

When we had to find a compatible SoundBlaster 16 sound card, a crazy 
expensive Matrox just to get decent display, a discret ethernet adapter
for a driver actualy working ...

No more 'make zImage' for me, thank you very much !

-- 
Philippe

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#93190

FromBud Frede <frede@mouse-potato.com>
Date2026-10-08 15:52 -0400
Message-ID<6wSxS.2350$kpNb.1504@fx16.iad>
In reply to#91477
Philippe <p.naudin+nntp@free.fr> writes:

> Le mar. 15 sept. 2026 05:50:20, Lars Poulsen a écrit:
>
>> On 9/15/2026 00:52, c186282 wrote:
>> > Remember when Linux used to be SMALL ???  
>> 
>> I remember when 20+ floppies for Red Hat Linux were replaced by one CD.
>> 
>> Then it grew to one DVD. Then the DVD had to be dual layer.
>> 
>> So now it is a Blu-Ray disc.
>
> When we had to find a compatible SoundBlaster 16 sound card, a crazy 
> expensive Matrox just to get decent display, a discret ethernet adapter
> for a driver actualy working ...

I never thought that the Matrox cards were that expensive. They gave me
crisp, sharp text and just worked. I was even able to re-purpose a
Millenium I card for a DEC Alpha and run RH on it. (RH 4 maybe? I
remember it was a boxed copy that someone gave me.)

Once monitors moved from digital to analog I no longer needed a Matrox
graphics card.

I don't remember much trouble with sound cards, but I think I stuck with
relatively low-end ones from Creative.

I used DEC Tulip NICs and then later Intel clones of those. Then Intel
started doing their own designs and I've pretty much stuck with those
when I need a discrete NIC. (FreeBSD works well with Intel NICs too.)

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#93320

FromCóilín Nioclásín Glostéir <thanks-to@Taf.com>
Date2026-10-10 18:40 +0000
Message-ID<11ae0r8$1ekkj$3@paganini.bofh.team>
In reply to#93190
Bud Frede <frede@mouse-potato.com> wrote:
|-----------------------------------------------------------------------|
|"[. . .]                                                               |
|                                                                       |
|I never thought that the Matrox cards were that expensive. They gave me|
|crisp, sharp text and just worked. I was even able to re-purpose a     |
|Millenium I card for a DEC Alpha and run RH on it. [. . .]             |
|[. . .]                                                                |
|                                                                       |
|[. . .]"                                                               |
|-----------------------------------------------------------------------|

Wow.
(S. HTTP://Gloucester.Insomnia247.NL/ fuer Kontaktdaten!)

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#93352

Fromc186282 <c186282@nnada.net>
Date2026-10-11 00:12 -0400
Message-ID<0b2cndpIwK0LkVb3nZ2dnZfqn_udnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#93320
On 10/10/26 14:40, Cóilín Nioclásín Glostéir wrote:
> Bud Frede <frede@mouse-potato.com> wrote:
> |-----------------------------------------------------------------------|
> |"[. . .]                                                               |
> |                                                                       |
> |I never thought that the Matrox cards were that expensive. They gave me|
> |crisp, sharp text and just worked. I was even able to re-purpose a     |
> |Millenium I card for a DEC Alpha and run RH on it. [. . .]             |
> |[. . .]                                                                |
> |                                                                       |
> |[. . .]"                                                               |
> |-----------------------------------------------------------------------|
> 
> Wow.
> (S. HTTP://Gloucester.Insomnia247.NL/ fuer Kontaktdaten!)

   A number of the old affordable 'monochrome' video
   cards produced very GOOD results - crisp sharp text.
   Some would do graphics, again sharp (within the
   rez limits of the time).

   Still have one or two somewhere - but ISA bus
   alas ......

   Oh, is "bus" or "buss" more accurate ? I tend
   to use "buss", to differentiate from public
   transport vehicles.

   Hmmm ... long back bought a Sanyo 550 PC.
   Pretty good. The built-in graphics were
   even a bit 'superior' to the IBM cards.
   However, not entirely COMPATIBLE with
   the IBM cards. At the time I needed
   'compatible'. However you COULD plug in
   a compatible adapter and, fiddle with a
   few jumper wires, get full IBM compliance.
   X-Y-Color by-pixel was required for what
   I was working on. No, didn't have the
   cash for a Real IBM.

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#93376

FromAndy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk>
Date2026-10-11 10:01 +0100
Message-ID<nj11jlFq3stU2@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#93352
c186282 wrote:

>    A number of the old affordable 'monochrome' video
>    cards produced very GOOD results - crisp sharp text.
>    Some would do graphics, again sharp (within the
>    rez limits of the time).

Is that more due to the mono monitors rather than RGB monitors with 
relatively coarse dot-pitch of the time?

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#93384 — Monochrome and readability (was: Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO !)

FromNuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid>
Date2026-10-11 10:15 +0100
SubjectMonochrome and readability (was: Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO !)
Message-ID<11afk45$2fi80$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#93376
On 2026-10-11, Andy Burns wrote:

> c186282 wrote:
>
>>    A number of the old affordable 'monochrome' video
>>    cards produced very GOOD results - crisp sharp text.
>>    Some would do graphics, again sharp (within the
>>    rez limits of the time).
>
> Is that more due to the mono monitors rather than RGB monitors with
> relatively coarse dot-pitch of the time?

Either that or it forced e.g. text with shades of gray for
"anti-aliasing"-like stuff to be rendered crisply. Or was that kind of
font (mis-)rendering technique used only later?

-- 
Nuno Silva

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