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| First post | 2026-09-15 03:52 -0400 |
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Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-15 03:52 -0400
Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de> - 2026-09-15 10:54 +0200
Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-09-15 23:30 +0000
Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! Woozy Song <suzyw0ng@outlook.com> - 2026-09-15 17:08 +0800
Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-15 16:38 +0100
Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-15 17:21 +0000
Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-15 21:32 +0200
Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-16 01:07 +0100
Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-16 00:35 +0000
Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-16 07:13 +0200
Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-16 11:38 +0100
Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-16 21:26 -0400
Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-17 08:17 +0200
Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-17 06:25 +0000
Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-17 08:38 +0200
Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-17 03:34 -0400
Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-17 02:41 -0400
Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-17 09:44 +0200
Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-09-17 17:44 +0000
Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-17 20:38 +0200
Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-17 19:39 +0000
Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-17 19:35 +0000
Ventoy for ISO management? (Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO !) Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2026-09-26 09:23 -0700
Re: Ventoy for ISO management? (Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO !) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-26 19:21 +0000
Re: Ventoy for ISO management? (Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO !) jayjwa <jayjwa@atr2.ath.cx.invalid> - 2026-09-26 19:21 -0400
Re: Tips for dd ( was Re: Ventoy for ISO management?) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-09-27 03:00 +0000
Re: Tips for dd ( was Re: Ventoy for ISO management?) Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> - 2026-09-27 04:18 +0000
Re: Tips for dd ( was Re: Ventoy for ISO management?) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-09-27 07:05 +0000
Re: Tips for dd ( was Re: Ventoy for ISO management?) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 09:17 +0100
Re: Tips for dd ( was Re: Ventoy for ISO management?) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 12:57 +0100
Re: Tips for dd ( was Re: Ventoy for ISO management?) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-27 14:23 +0200
Re: Tips for dd ( was Re: Ventoy for ISO management?) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 17:41 +0100
Re: Tips for dd ( was Re: Ventoy for ISO management?) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-27 19:55 +0200
Re: Tips for dd ( was Re: Ventoy for ISO management?) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-27 12:53 +0200
Re: Tips for dd ( was Re: Ventoy for ISO management?) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 18:04 +0100
Re: Tips for dd ( was Re: Ventoy for ISO management?) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-27 04:13 -0400
Re: Tips for dd ( was Re: Ventoy for ISO management?) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-27 12:53 +0200
Re: Tips for dd ( was Re: Ventoy for ISO management?) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-28 01:37 -0400
Re: Tips for dd ( was Re: Ventoy for ISO management?) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-28 10:09 +0200
Re: Tips for dd ( was Re: Ventoy for ISO management?) Philippe <p.naudin+nntp@free.fr> - 2026-09-28 12:10 +0200
Re: Tips for dd ( was Re: Ventoy for ISO management?) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-09-28 23:03 +0000
Re: Ventoy for ISO management? (Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO !) "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2026-09-27 18:56 +0200
Re: Ventoy for ISO management? (Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO !) Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-09-27 18:17 +0100
Re: Ventoy for ISO management? (Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO !) ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) - 2026-09-28 00:50 +0000
Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-17 19:28 +0000
Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-16 11:37 +0100
Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-16 18:04 +0000
ISO9660 images, vfat USB mass storage devices and El Torito (was: Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO !) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-16 18:55 +0100
Re: ISO9660 images, vfat USB mass storage devices and El Torito c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-16 22:25 -0400
Re: ISO9660 images, vfat USB mass storage devices and El Torito "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-17 08:22 +0200
Re: ISO9660 images, vfat USB mass storage devices and El Torito c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-17 03:28 -0400
Re: ISO9660 images, vfat USB mass storage devices and El Torito "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-17 10:32 +0200
Re: ISO9660 images, vfat USB mass storage devices and El Torito rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-17 20:25 +0000
Re: ISO9660 images, vfat USB mass storage devices and El Torito c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-17 21:26 -0400
Re: ISO9660 images, vfat USB mass storage devices and El Torito "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-19 21:39 +0200
Re: ISO9660 images, vfat USB mass storage devices and El Torito rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-20 01:55 +0000
Re: ISO9660 images, vfat USB mass storage devices and El Torito "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-20 14:10 +0200
Re: ISO9660 images, vfat USB mass storage devices and El Torito rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-20 17:35 +0000
Re: ISO9660 images, vfat USB mass storage devices and El Torito "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-20 21:01 +0200
Re: ISO9660 images, vfat USB mass storage devices and El Torito rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-21 02:28 +0000
Re: ISO9660 images, vfat USB mass storage devices and El Torito "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-21 11:36 +0200
Re: ISO9660 images, vfat USB mass storage devices and El Torito rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-21 19:06 +0000
Re: ISO9660 images, vfat USB mass storage devices and El Torito "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-21 21:48 +0200
Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-16 00:33 +0000
Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-16 07:14 +0200
Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-09-16 05:45 +0000
Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-16 08:52 +0200
Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-09-16 07:44 +0000
Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-16 10:07 +0200
Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-16 17:53 +0000
Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-17 14:02 +0100
Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-17 19:02 +0000
Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-17 22:18 +0100
Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-16 06:18 +0000
Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-16 11:39 +0100
Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-16 17:48 +0000
Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-16 20:40 +0200
Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-16 21:40 -0400
Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-16 22:18 -0400
Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-09-17 03:29 +0000
Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-17 08:25 +0200
Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-17 02:33 -0400
Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-17 14:11 +0100
Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-17 20:40 +0200
Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-17 14:00 +0100
Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-16 21:27 -0400
Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-17 02:11 +0000
Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-17 14:07 +0100
Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-17 19:41 +0000
Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-16 11:35 +0100
Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-16 18:02 +0000
Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-17 14:04 +0100
Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-16 01:05 +0100
Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2026-09-15 05:50 -0700
Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! Philippe <p.naudin+nntp@free.fr> - 2026-09-15 15:23 +0200
Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! Bud Frede <frede@mouse-potato.com> - 2026-10-08 15:52 -0400
Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! Cóilín Nioclásín Glostéir <thanks-to@Taf.com> - 2026-10-10 18:40 +0000
Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-11 00:12 -0400
Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-10-11 10:01 +0100
Monochrome and readability (was: Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO !) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-11 10:15 +0100
Re: Monochrome and readability The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-11 10:37 +0100
Re: Monochrome and readability c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-12 01:06 -0400
Re: Monochrome and readability Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-10-12 10:12 +0100
Re: Monochrome and readability Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-12 21:08 +0000
Re: Monochrome and readability John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-10-12 14:50 -0700
Re: Monochrome and readability Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-10-15 02:51 +0000
Re: Monochrome and readability c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-13 00:58 -0400
Re: Monochrome and readability Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-12 16:27 +0000
Re: Monochrome and readability Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-12 21:14 +0000
Re: Monochrome and readability c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-13 01:37 -0400
Re: Monochrome and readability "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-13 12:50 +0200
Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-11 10:37 +0100
Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-11 21:31 +0000
Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-11 10:31 +0100
Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-09-15 14:40 +0100
Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-15 17:24 +0000
Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-09-16 01:50 +0000
Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> - 2026-09-16 02:31 +0000
Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-16 06:25 +0000
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-09-17 19:39 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <nh2tviF499oU4@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #91652 |
On Thu, 17 Sep 2026 17:44:23 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > I never got close enough to know. But remember that "Outlook" is best > pronounced "Look out!" I never had Outlook but back in the day, XP and earlier, Outlook Express was installed. Other than being a mail client it had nothing to do with Outlook.
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-09-17 19:35 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <nh2tn9F499oU3@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #91615 |
On Thu, 17 Sep 2026 09:44:42 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote: > So I think I never needed to create a stick under Windows. Maybe at work > once? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rufus_(software) I've used Rufus quite a bit and it works well. Until I switched to StarLink I had a relatively slow internet connection with a data cap. It was easier to download isos at work and burn them. I suppose I could have used the Linux box and dd but I didn't.
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| From | Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> |
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| Date | 2026-09-26 09:23 -0700 |
| Subject | Ventoy for ISO management? (Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO !) |
| Message-ID | <1198rh6$kn69$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #91659 |
On 9/17/2026 12:35, rbowman wrote: > On Thu, 17 Sep 2026 09:44:42 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote: > >> So I think I never needed to create a stick under Windows. Maybe at work >> once? > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rufus_(software) > > I've used Rufus quite a bit and it works well. Until I switched to > StarLink I had a relatively slow internet connection with a data cap. It > was easier to download isos at work and burn them. I suppose I could have > used the Linux box and dd but I didn't. Do any of you have experience with using Ventoy? The idea is that a Ventoy formatted USB storage has a VFAT file system on top; EFI boots into Ventoy's boot manager, where you select an ISO to boot into. So a 64GB USB stick can hold 5-10 ISO images. -- Lars Poulsen - an old geek in Santa Barbara, California
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-09-26 19:21 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Ventoy for ISO management? (Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO !) |
| Message-ID | <nhqk8vFp85kU4@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #92222 |
On Sat, 26 Sep 2026 09:23:00 -0700, Lars Poulsen wrote: > On 9/17/2026 12:35, rbowman wrote: >> On Thu, 17 Sep 2026 09:44:42 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote: >> >>> So I think I never needed to create a stick under Windows. Maybe at >>> work once? >> >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rufus_(software) >> >> I've used Rufus quite a bit and it works well. Until I switched to >> StarLink I had a relatively slow internet connection with a data cap. >> It was easier to download isos at work and burn them. I suppose I could >> have used the Linux box and dd but I didn't. > > Do any of you have experience with using Ventoy? > The idea is that a Ventoy formatted USB storage has a VFAT file system > on top; EFI boots into Ventoy's boot manager, where you select an ISO to > boot into. So a 64GB USB stick can hold 5-10 ISO images. Yes, I've used Ventoy with Linux Mint and a few other isos. The library project has the three flavors on Mint so a Windows refuge can pick a DE. We didn't put LMDE on to limit any troubleshooting needed. openSUSE Leap 16 will not work with Ventoy and there may be other problem distros. As I understand it the Agama installer sees the thumbdrive and gets confused. The leap iso needs to be written directly to the drive with dd or one of the other imaging programs.
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| From | jayjwa <jayjwa@atr2.ath.cx.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-09-26 19:21 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: Ventoy for ISO management? (Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO !) |
| Message-ID | <87a4p3vbtb.fsf@atr2.ath.cx> |
| In reply to | #92222 |
Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> writes:
> Do any of you have experience with using Ventoy?
Yes, the idea is you copy your image into the "bank" part so that you
don't have to keep overwriting the USB stick over and over. You mount
that partition and just copy the .ISO/image, unmount when done and then
unplug.
Of the stuff I put on it, only the Linux one booted. illumos and a
couple other things didn't. It might work for you but I think I'll stick
with "dd".
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| From | Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-09-27 03:00 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Tips for dd ( was Re: Ventoy for ISO management?) |
| Message-ID | <119a0s6$10eok$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #92244 |
On Sat, 26 Sep 2026 19:21:20 -0400, jayjwa wrote: > ... I think I'll stick with "dd". Tips for dd when copying to USB sticks, SD cards, etc: * Use a larger blocksize (e.g. “bs=65536”). If not specified, the default is to read and write 512 bytes at a time, which can be quite slow. The device does not need to be an exact multiple of this in size; dd will correctly cope with a partial block at the end. * Use lsblk to correctly identify the device before writing. Useful information columns to ask for: name,size,vendor,model,serial. * I’ve starting specifying “conv=fsync”, just to be sure buffers are flushed at the end before removing the stick/card. You’ve probably been getting away without this before, and so have I, but I think it’s better to be safe than sorry. ;) Feel free to offer any other tips you have found useful.
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| From | Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> |
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| Date | 2026-09-27 04:18 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Tips for dd ( was Re: Ventoy for ISO management?) |
| Message-ID | <eli$2609270017@qaz.wtf> |
| In reply to | #92251 |
In comp.os.linux.misc, Lawrence DOliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: > On Sat, 26 Sep 2026 19:21:20 -0400, jayjwa wrote: >> ... I think I'll stick with "dd". > Tips for dd when copying to USB sticks, SD cards, etc: > * Use a larger blocksize (e.g. "bs=65536"). If not specified, the default Why so small? bs=1M bs=4M bs=8M Elijah ------ but agreed that the 1/2 kilobyte default block size is unreasonably small
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| From | Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-09-27 07:05 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Tips for dd ( was Re: Ventoy for ISO management?) |
| Message-ID | <119af89$14cuj$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #92252 |
On Sun, 27 Sep 2026 04:18:09 -0000 (UTC), Eli the Bearded wrote: > In comp.os.linux.misc, Lawrence DOliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: >> >> * Use a larger blocksize (e.g. "bs=65536"). > > Why so small? bs=1M bs=4M bs=8M I doubt it makes much difference to anything.
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| From | Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-09-27 09:17 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: Tips for dd ( was Re: Ventoy for ISO management?) |
| Message-ID | <119ajec$15e0d$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #92254 |
On 2026-09-27, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: > On Sun, 27 Sep 2026 04:18:09 -0000 (UTC), Eli the Bearded wrote: > >> In comp.os.linux.misc, Lawrence DOliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: >>> >>> * Use a larger blocksize (e.g. "bs=65536"). >> >> Why so small? bs=1M bs=4M bs=8M > > I doubt it makes much difference to anything. I think somebody somewhere compared performance and determined a sweet spot, but that was, I think, on StackExchange, and all I'd get now looking for it would be "Enable JavaScript and cookies to continue"... (or a completely blank page if I enable JavaScript; cookies aren't disabled at all). -- Nuno Silva
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-09-27 12:57 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: Tips for dd ( was Re: Ventoy for ISO management?) |
| Message-ID | <119b0b5$19l73$11@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #92265 |
On 27/09/2026 09:17, Nuno Silva wrote: > On 2026-09-27, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: > >> On Sun, 27 Sep 2026 04:18:09 -0000 (UTC), Eli the Bearded wrote: >> >>> In comp.os.linux.misc, Lawrence DOliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: >>>> >>>> * Use a larger blocksize (e.g. "bs=65536"). >>> >>> Why so small? bs=1M bs=4M bs=8M >> >> I doubt it makes much difference to anything. > > I think somebody somewhere compared performance and determined a sweet > spot, but that was, I think, on StackExchange, and all I'd get now > looking for it would be "Enable JavaScript and cookies to > continue"... (or a completely blank page if I enable JavaScript; cookies > aren't disabled at all). > IIRC blocksize made a difference on hard disks, with not of lot of caching But with modern processors and plenty of memory and even an SSD it is almost pointless. -- All political activity makes complete sense once the proposition that all government is basically a self-legalising protection racket, is fully understood.
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-09-27 14:23 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: Tips for dd ( was Re: Ventoy for ISO management?) |
| Message-ID | <meenomx3lt.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #92297 |
On 2026-09-27 13:57, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > On 27/09/2026 09:17, Nuno Silva wrote: >> On 2026-09-27, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: >> >>> On Sun, 27 Sep 2026 04:18:09 -0000 (UTC), Eli the Bearded wrote: >>> >>>> In comp.os.linux.misc, Lawrence DOliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> * Use a larger blocksize (e.g. "bs=65536"). >>>> >>>> Why so small? bs=1M bs=4M bs=8M >>> >>> I doubt it makes much difference to anything. >> >> I think somebody somewhere compared performance and determined a sweet >> spot, but that was, I think, on StackExchange, and all I'd get now >> looking for it would be "Enable JavaScript and cookies to >> continue"... (or a completely blank page if I enable JavaScript; cookies >> aren't disabled at all). >> > IIRC blocksize made a difference on hard disks, with not of lot of caching > > But with modern processors and plenty of memory and even an SSD it is > almost pointless. Experiments contradict you. I tested writing a big file to hard disk, with the default blocksize and a big blocksize, and the difference was measurable (dd). -- Cheers, Carlos. ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-09-27 17:41 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: Tips for dd ( was Re: Ventoy for ISO management?) |
| Message-ID | <119bgv2$1glpo$8@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #92300 |
On 27/09/2026 13:23, Carlos E.R. wrote: > On 2026-09-27 13:57, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >> IIRC blocksize made a difference on hard disks, with not of lot of >> caching >> >> But with modern processors and plenty of memory and even an SSD it is >> almost pointless. > > Experiments contradict you. > > I tested writing a big file to hard disk, with the default blocksize and > a big blocksize, and the difference was measurable (dd). > Which is what I said "IIRC blocksize made a difference on hard disks, with not of lot of caching" -- “Some people like to travel by train because it combines the slowness of a car with the cramped public exposure of an airplane.” Dennis Miller
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-09-27 19:55 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: Tips for dd ( was Re: Ventoy for ISO management?) |
| Message-ID | <os1oomx7ar.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #92318 |
On 2026-09-27 18:41, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > On 27/09/2026 13:23, Carlos E.R. wrote: >> On 2026-09-27 13:57, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > >>> IIRC blocksize made a difference on hard disks, with not of lot of >>> caching >>> >>> But with modern processors and plenty of memory and even an SSD it is >>> almost pointless. >> >> Experiments contradict you. >> >> I tested writing a big file to hard disk, with the default blocksize >> and a big blocksize, and the difference was measurable (dd). >> > > Which is what I said > > "IIRC blocksize made a difference on hard disks, with not of lot of > caching" Disks have internal caching way bigger than the default blocksize. cer@Telcontar:~/tmp> time dd if=/dev/zero of=testfile.zero count=52428800 52428800+0 records in 52428800+0 records out 26843545600 bytes (27 GB, 25 GiB) copied, 148,939 s, 180 MB/s real 2m28,969s user 0m11,736s sys 2m17,029s cer@Telcontar:~/tmp> cer@Telcontar:~/tmp> time dd if=/dev/zero of=testfile.zero count=6553600 bs=4096 6553600+0 records in 6553600+0 records out 26843545600 bytes (27 GB, 25 GiB) copied, 105,738 s, 254 MB/s real 1m45,750s user 0m1,923s sys 0m34,904s cer@Telcontar:~/tmp> cer@Telcontar:~/tmp> time dd if=/dev/zero of=testfile.zero count=409600 bs=65536 409600+0 records in 409600+0 records out 26843545600 bytes (27 GB, 25 GiB) copied, 105,819 s, 254 MB/s real 1m47,710s user 0m0,111s sys 0m21,869s cer@Telcontar:~/tmp> cer@Telcontar:~/tmp> time dd if=/dev/zero of=testfile.zero count=25600 bs=1048576 25600+0 records in 25600+0 records out 26843545600 bytes (27 GB, 25 GiB) copied, 106,455 s, 252 MB/s real 1m48,224s user 0m0,000s sys 0m22,769s cer@Telcontar:~/tmp> -- Cheers, Carlos. ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-09-27 12:53 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: Tips for dd ( was Re: Ventoy for ISO management?) |
| Message-ID | <479nomxdq3.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #92254 |
On 2026-09-27 09:05, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: > On Sun, 27 Sep 2026 04:18:09 -0000 (UTC), Eli the Bearded wrote: > >> In comp.os.linux.misc, Lawrence DOliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: >>> >>> * Use a larger blocksize (e.g. "bs=65536"). >> >> Why so small? bs=1M bs=4M bs=8M > > I doubt it makes much difference to anything. Fewer split sectors? -- Cheers, Carlos. ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-09-27 18:04 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: Tips for dd ( was Re: Ventoy for ISO management?) |
| Message-ID | <119biae$1h219$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #92281 |
On 2026-09-27, Carlos E.R. wrote: > On 2026-09-27 09:05, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: >> On Sun, 27 Sep 2026 04:18:09 -0000 (UTC), Eli the Bearded wrote: >> >>> In comp.os.linux.misc, Lawrence DOliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: >>>> >>>> * Use a larger blocksize (e.g. "bs=65536"). >>> >>> Why so small? bs=1M bs=4M bs=8M >> >> I doubt it makes much difference to anything. > > Fewer split sectors? Fewer syscalls? -- Nuno Silva
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2026-09-27 04:13 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: Tips for dd ( was Re: Ventoy for ISO management?) |
| Message-ID | <MGSdnWhDta6kTSX3nZ2dnZfqn_sAAAAA@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #92251 |
On 9/26/26 23:00, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: > On Sat, 26 Sep 2026 19:21:20 -0400, jayjwa wrote: > >> ... I think I'll stick with "dd". > > Tips for dd when copying to USB sticks, SD cards, etc: > > * Use a larger blocksize (e.g. “bs=65536”). If not specified, the default > is to read and write 512 bytes at a time, which can be quite slow. > The device does not need to be an exact multiple of this in size; dd > will correctly cope with a partial block at the end. > > * Use lsblk to correctly identify the device before writing. Useful > information columns to ask for: name,size,vendor,model,serial. > > * I’ve starting specifying “conv=fsync”, just to be sure buffers are > flushed at the end before removing the stick/card. You’ve probably > been getting away without this before, and so have I, but I think > it’s better to be safe than sorry. ;) > > Feel free to offer any other tips you have found useful. Don't really see the POINT in Ventnoy. Download distro ISOs from the native site, no middlemen/tampering/spying, and then there are a number of stick/dvd-burning apps. I like 'Etcher' but there are more. 'dd' works, but doesn't really do checksums/checks on what's copied. Had a BAD copy of Kali ... 'dd' would not say, but Etcher did. Sad to say, a number of Linux distros won't FIT on a standard DVD anymore ..... I paid good money for an external DVD/DVD-DL/BR unit so I *could* burn big stuff. Most have not. HDDs are pretty good, but still NOT as archival as DVDs/BRs. About twice a year I burn a big BR disk with my Most Important Stuff and stick it in a drawer. Insurance - even a direct lightning strike or tornado and it'll still be good. My last couple years before retiring, was heavily keen on good BACKUPS. Wrote a number of apps, mostly Python and Pascal, to do the company stuff to both local and 'cloud'. Anything that went to 'cloud' was pre-encrypted though, don't TRUST any of them. Three layers, to a limited extent four layers. This is what you NEED in the nasty modern world. Alas the New Guy - good with M$ solutions though - could not write a ten-line Python script. This seems to be the modern standard. It's also what the new management wanted. Probs ? Not OUR fault ! Pascal ? 'C' ? Forget it. NOT sure he ever even HEARD of them. But, well, he IS the 'modern IT guy'. NOT so good IMHO. But, alas, seems more and more 'typical'. I remember programming in 'B' and earlier, in FORTRAN and COBOL and even a little PL/I. Had to kind of know them all back in the day. OK, could not STAND "LISP" ... Sorry, COBOL, Never Again :-) DID find a Python 'IDE' for COBOL however, runs in Linux. Not too bad. SOME make big money fixing 1960s COBOL biz/govt programs - nobody can afford to replace them these days - stuck forever with "What We KNOW Works". Those old narrow-tie COBOL/FORTRAN guys were Damned Good ! Just before I retired I wrote a little format-conversion pgm for some commonly used data - in FORTRAN. SUFFER motherfuckers, get WITH the program ! "IT" should MEAN something :-) When Vlad/Xi move, the FIRST thing to get trashed will be everything on M$ and Apple. I envision this big shiny red button on Xi's desk labeled "Destroy The West" ........ it'll also get all the power plants and refineries and chem industries and comm companies. "BLINK!" - GONE. Do your bankers Know Your Face ??? Note 'B' and its predecessors CAN be had for Linux still. Worth fooling around with just a bit. Know yer past to know yer future. Never got a PL/I implementation to work properly alas. Even worse luck with the Modula-3 stuff - a gazillion weird errs.
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-09-27 12:53 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: Tips for dd ( was Re: Ventoy for ISO management?) |
| Message-ID | <569nomxdq3.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #92251 |
On 2026-09-27 05:00, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: > On Sat, 26 Sep 2026 19:21:20 -0400, jayjwa wrote: > >> ... I think I'll stick with "dd". > > Tips for dd when copying to USB sticks, SD cards, etc: > > * Use a larger blocksize (e.g. “bs=65536”). If not specified, the default > is to read and write 512 bytes at a time, which can be quite slow. > The device does not need to be an exact multiple of this in size; dd > will correctly cope with a partial block at the end. > > * Use lsblk to correctly identify the device before writing. Useful > information columns to ask for: name,size,vendor,model,serial. > > * I’ve starting specifying “conv=fsync”, just to be sure buffers are > flushed at the end before removing the stick/card. You’ve probably > been getting away without this before, and so have I, but I think > it’s better to be safe than sorry. ;) > > Feel free to offer any other tips you have found useful. dd if=ISO of=DEV bs=16M oflag=direct status=progress Otherwise, the iso is cached, using a lot of memory and possibly starving other processes. Probably this happens severely or nothing at all depending on the combination of RAM size and ISO size. -- Cheers, Carlos. ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2026-09-28 01:37 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: Tips for dd ( was Re: Ventoy for ISO management?) |
| Message-ID | <kR-dnWpg4tq_YCT3nZ2dnZfqnPadnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #92280 |
On 9/27/26 06:53, Carlos E.R. wrote: > On 2026-09-27 05:00, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: >> On Sat, 26 Sep 2026 19:21:20 -0400, jayjwa wrote: >> >>> ... I think I'll stick with "dd". >> >> Tips for dd when copying to USB sticks, SD cards, etc: >> >> * Use a larger blocksize (e.g. “bs=65536”). If not specified, the default >> is to read and write 512 bytes at a time, which can be quite slow. >> The device does not need to be an exact multiple of this in size; dd >> will correctly cope with a partial block at the end. >> >> * Use lsblk to correctly identify the device before writing. Useful >> information columns to ask for: name,size,vendor,model,serial. >> >> * I’ve starting specifying “conv=fsync”, just to be sure buffers are >> flushed at the end before removing the stick/card. You’ve probably >> been getting away without this before, and so have I, but I think >> it’s better to be safe than sorry. ;) >> >> Feel free to offer any other tips you have found useful. > > dd if=ISO of=DEV bs=16M oflag=direct status=progress > > Otherwise, the iso is cached, using a lot of memory and possibly > starving other processes. Probably this happens severely or nothing at > all depending on the combination of RAM size and ISO size. TOO large a buffer size and it's also hard to tell WHEN the copy is done unless the target drive has a blinky light. 'progress' is helpful there, but does seem to slow down things just a bit. 512 is VERY old-school. 1M to 8M are maybe the better modern settings. I've fooled with 'dd' quite a lot. You DO get speed increases, but maybe only worthwhile up until around the 8M mark. HAVE seen comparison charts online.
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-09-28 10:09 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: Tips for dd ( was Re: Ventoy for ISO management?) |
| Message-ID | <cujpomxljj.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #92351 |
On 2026-09-28 07:37, c186282 wrote: > On 9/27/26 06:53, Carlos E.R. wrote: >> On 2026-09-27 05:00, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: >>> On Sat, 26 Sep 2026 19:21:20 -0400, jayjwa wrote: >>> >>>> ... I think I'll stick with "dd". >>> >>> Tips for dd when copying to USB sticks, SD cards, etc: >>> >>> * Use a larger blocksize (e.g. “bs=65536”). If not specified, the >>> default >>> is to read and write 512 bytes at a time, which can be quite slow. >>> The device does not need to be an exact multiple of this in size; dd >>> will correctly cope with a partial block at the end. >>> >>> * Use lsblk to correctly identify the device before writing. Useful >>> information columns to ask for: name,size,vendor,model,serial. >>> >>> * I’ve starting specifying “conv=fsync”, just to be sure buffers are >>> flushed at the end before removing the stick/card. You’ve probably >>> been getting away without this before, and so have I, but I think >>> it’s better to be safe than sorry. ;) >>> >>> Feel free to offer any other tips you have found useful. >> >> dd if=ISO of=DEV bs=16M oflag=direct status=progress >> >> Otherwise, the iso is cached, using a lot of memory and possibly >> starving other processes. Probably this happens severely or nothing at >> all depending on the combination of RAM size and ISO size. > > TOO large a buffer size and it's also hard > to tell WHEN the copy is done unless the > target drive has a blinky light. 'progress' > is helpful there, but does seem to slow down > things just a bit. with oflag=direct that's a non issue. > > 512 is VERY old-school. 1M to 8M are maybe the better > modern settings. > > I've fooled with 'dd' quite a lot. You DO get speed > increases, but maybe only worthwhile up until around > the 8M mark. HAVE seen comparison charts online. -- Cheers, Carlos. ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | Philippe <p.naudin+nntp@free.fr> |
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| Date | 2026-09-28 12:10 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: Tips for dd ( was Re: Ventoy for ISO management?) |
| Message-ID | <20260928121013.2d93ae95@peinard.chezmoi> |
| In reply to | #92360 |
Le lun. 28 sept. 2026 10:09:16, Carlos E.R. a écrit: > On 2026-09-28 07:37, c186282 wrote: > > [snip] > > TOO large a buffer size and it's also hard > > to tell WHEN the copy is done unless the > > target drive has a blinky light. 'progress' > > is helpful there, but does seem to slow down > > things just a bit. > > with oflag=direct that's a non issue. Also with conv=fsync (*not* conv=sync): dd « physically write output file data before finishing » time (dd if=/dev/zero of=testfile.zero bs=1M count=8K conv=fsync) real 0m23,869s user 0m0,009s sys 0m2,893s time (dd if=/dev/zero of=testfile.zero bs=1M count=8K && sync) real 0m24,358s user 0m0,002s sys 0m2,947s -- Philippe
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