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Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO !

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  Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-15 03:52 -0400
    Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de> - 2026-09-15 10:54 +0200
      Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-09-15 23:30 +0000
    Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! Woozy Song <suzyw0ng@outlook.com> - 2026-09-15 17:08 +0800
      Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-15 16:38 +0100
        Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-15 17:21 +0000
          Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-15 21:32 +0200
            Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-16 01:07 +0100
              Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-16 00:35 +0000
                Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-16 07:13 +0200
                  Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-16 11:38 +0100
                  Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-16 21:26 -0400
                    Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-17 08:17 +0200
                      Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-17 06:25 +0000
                        Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-17 08:38 +0200
                        Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-17 03:34 -0400
                      Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-17 02:41 -0400
                        Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-17 09:44 +0200
                          Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-09-17 17:44 +0000
                            Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-17 20:38 +0200
                            Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-17 19:39 +0000
                          Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-17 19:35 +0000
                            Ventoy for ISO management? (Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO !) Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2026-09-26 09:23 -0700
                              Re: Ventoy for ISO management? (Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO !) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-26 19:21 +0000
                              Re: Ventoy for ISO management? (Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO !) jayjwa <jayjwa@atr2.ath.cx.invalid> - 2026-09-26 19:21 -0400
                                Re: Tips for dd ( was Re: Ventoy for ISO management?) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-09-27 03:00 +0000
                                  Re: Tips for dd ( was Re: Ventoy for ISO management?) Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> - 2026-09-27 04:18 +0000
                                    Re: Tips for dd ( was Re: Ventoy for ISO management?) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-09-27 07:05 +0000
                                      Re: Tips for dd ( was Re: Ventoy for ISO management?) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 09:17 +0100
                                        Re: Tips for dd ( was Re: Ventoy for ISO management?) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 12:57 +0100
                                          Re: Tips for dd ( was Re: Ventoy for ISO management?) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-27 14:23 +0200
                                            Re: Tips for dd ( was Re: Ventoy for ISO management?) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 17:41 +0100
                                              Re: Tips for dd ( was Re: Ventoy for ISO management?) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-27 19:55 +0200
                                      Re: Tips for dd ( was Re: Ventoy for ISO management?) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-27 12:53 +0200
                                        Re: Tips for dd ( was Re: Ventoy for ISO management?) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 18:04 +0100
                                  Re: Tips for dd ( was Re: Ventoy for ISO management?) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-27 04:13 -0400
                                  Re: Tips for dd ( was Re: Ventoy for ISO management?) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-27 12:53 +0200
                                    Re: Tips for dd ( was Re: Ventoy for ISO management?) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-28 01:37 -0400
                                      Re: Tips for dd ( was Re: Ventoy for ISO management?) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-28 10:09 +0200
                                        Re: Tips for dd ( was Re: Ventoy for ISO management?) Philippe <p.naudin+nntp@free.fr> - 2026-09-28 12:10 +0200
                                          Re: Tips for dd ( was Re: Ventoy for ISO management?) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-09-28 23:03 +0000
                              Re: Ventoy for ISO management? (Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO !) "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2026-09-27 18:56 +0200
                                Re: Ventoy for ISO management? (Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO !) Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-09-27 18:17 +0100
                              Re: Ventoy for ISO management? (Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO !) ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) - 2026-09-28 00:50 +0000
                        Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-17 19:28 +0000
                Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-16 11:37 +0100
                  Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-16 18:04 +0000
                ISO9660 images, vfat USB mass storage devices and El Torito (was: Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO !) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-16 18:55 +0100
                  Re: ISO9660 images, vfat USB mass storage devices and El Torito c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-16 22:25 -0400
                    Re: ISO9660 images, vfat USB mass storage devices and El Torito "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-17 08:22 +0200
                      Re: ISO9660 images, vfat USB mass storage devices and El Torito c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-17 03:28 -0400
                        Re: ISO9660 images, vfat USB mass storage devices and El Torito "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-17 10:32 +0200
                          Re: ISO9660 images, vfat USB mass storage devices and El Torito rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-17 20:25 +0000
                          Re: ISO9660 images, vfat USB mass storage devices and El Torito c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-17 21:26 -0400
                            Re: ISO9660 images, vfat USB mass storage devices and El Torito "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-19 21:39 +0200
                              Re: ISO9660 images, vfat USB mass storage devices and El Torito rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-20 01:55 +0000
                                Re: ISO9660 images, vfat USB mass storage devices and El Torito "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-20 14:10 +0200
                                  Re: ISO9660 images, vfat USB mass storage devices and El Torito rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-20 17:35 +0000
                                    Re: ISO9660 images, vfat USB mass storage devices and El Torito "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-20 21:01 +0200
                                      Re: ISO9660 images, vfat USB mass storage devices and El Torito rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-21 02:28 +0000
                                        Re: ISO9660 images, vfat USB mass storage devices and El Torito "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-21 11:36 +0200
                                          Re: ISO9660 images, vfat USB mass storage devices and El Torito rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-21 19:06 +0000
                                            Re: ISO9660 images, vfat USB mass storage devices and El Torito "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-21 21:48 +0200
            Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-16 00:33 +0000
              Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-16 07:14 +0200
                Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-09-16 05:45 +0000
                  Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-16 08:52 +0200
                    Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-09-16 07:44 +0000
                      Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-16 10:07 +0200
                        Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-16 17:53 +0000
                          Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-17 14:02 +0100
                            Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-17 19:02 +0000
                              Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-17 22:18 +0100
                Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-16 06:18 +0000
                  Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-16 11:39 +0100
                    Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-16 17:48 +0000
                      Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-16 20:40 +0200
                        Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-16 21:40 -0400
                          Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-16 22:18 -0400
                            Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-09-17 03:29 +0000
                              Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-17 08:25 +0200
                              Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-17 02:33 -0400
                          Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-17 14:11 +0100
                            Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-17 20:40 +0200
                      Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-17 14:00 +0100
                Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-16 21:27 -0400
                  Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-17 02:11 +0000
                  Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-17 14:07 +0100
                    Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-17 19:41 +0000
              Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-16 11:35 +0100
                Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-16 18:02 +0000
                  Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-17 14:04 +0100
          Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-16 01:05 +0100
    Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2026-09-15 05:50 -0700
      Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! Philippe <p.naudin+nntp@free.fr> - 2026-09-15 15:23 +0200
        Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! Bud Frede <frede@mouse-potato.com> - 2026-10-08 15:52 -0400
          Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! Cóilín Nioclásín Glostéir <thanks-to@Taf.com> - 2026-10-10 18:40 +0000
            Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-11 00:12 -0400
              Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-10-11 10:01 +0100
                Monochrome and readability (was: Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO !) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-11 10:15 +0100
                  Re: Monochrome and readability The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-11 10:37 +0100
                  Re: Monochrome and readability c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-12 01:06 -0400
                    Re: Monochrome and readability Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-10-12 10:12 +0100
                      Re: Monochrome and readability Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-12 21:08 +0000
                        Re: Monochrome and readability John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-10-12 14:50 -0700
                          Re: Monochrome and readability Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-10-15 02:51 +0000
                        Re: Monochrome and readability c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-13 00:58 -0400
                    Re: Monochrome and readability Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-12 16:27 +0000
                      Re: Monochrome and readability Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-12 21:14 +0000
                        Re: Monochrome and readability c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-13 01:37 -0400
                        Re: Monochrome and readability "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-13 12:50 +0200
                Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-11 10:37 +0100
                Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-11 21:31 +0000
              Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-11 10:31 +0100
      Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-09-15 14:40 +0100
      Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-15 17:24 +0000
      Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-09-16 01:50 +0000
        Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> - 2026-09-16 02:31 +0000
        Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-16 06:25 +0000

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#91469 — Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO !

Fromc186282 <c186282@nnada.net>
Date2026-09-15 03:52 -0400
SubjectWow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO !
Message-ID<DkSdncSkDY0RZDX3nZ2dnZfqnPGdnZ2d@giganews.com>
Remember when Linux used to be SMALL ???

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#91470

FromMarco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de>
Date2026-09-15 10:54 +0200
Message-ID<118b14u$29efk$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#91469
Am 15.09.26 um 09:52 schrieb c186282:
> Remember when Linux used to be SMALL ???
> 
In relation to current disk sizes, this is small.

-- 
Gruß
Marco

Please send unsolicited mail to dustbin12@stinkedores.dorfdsl.de

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#91504

FromLawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid>
Date2026-09-15 23:30 +0000
Message-ID<118cke2$2skr3$4@dont-email.me>
In reply to#91470
And for some reason they won’t include ZFS. Instead, they want you to
use btrfs instead.

Vote of confidence in their own product, much?

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#91471

FromWoozy Song <suzyw0ng@outlook.com>
Date2026-09-15 17:08 +0800
Message-ID<118b1tm$29o5v$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#91469
c186282 wrote:
> Remember when Linux used to be SMALL ???
> 

Yes they used to make 'enterprise' linux that fitted on 1 DVD,
now bloat bloat bloat

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#91483

FromThe Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Date2026-09-15 16:38 +0100
Message-ID<118boor$2iekn$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#91471
On 15/09/2026 10:08, Woozy Song wrote:
> c186282 wrote:
>> Remember when Linux used to be SMALL ???
>>
> 
> Yes they used to make 'enterprise' linux that fitted on 1 DVD,
> now bloat bloat bloat

It still does...
Linux images/linuxmint-22.3-mate-64bit.iso 3.1 GB (3134275584 bytes)

-- 
"The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow witted 
man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest 
thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly 
persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of doubt, what is laid 
before him."

    - Leo Tolstoy

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#91485

Fromrbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Date2026-09-15 17:21 +0000
Message-ID<ngtd59F83ghU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#91483
On Tue, 15 Sep 2026 16:38:03 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> On 15/09/2026 10:08, Woozy Song wrote:
>> c186282 wrote:
>>> Remember when Linux used to be SMALL ???
>>>
>>>
>> Yes they used to make 'enterprise' linux that fitted on 1 DVD,
>> now bloat bloat bloat
> 
> It still does...
> Linux images/linuxmint-22.3-mate-64bit.iso 3.1 GB (3134275584 bytes)

SUSE Leap's offline installer is 4.2G. The largest iso I have is Omarchy 
at 5.9G. SUSE should still make it on a single layer DVD but not on a vfat 
formatted thumb drive. It does include 3 DEs.

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#91501

From"Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>
Date2026-09-15 21:32 +0200
Message-ID<ngtkq4F9b65U3@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#91485
On 2026-09-15 19:21, rbowman wrote:
> On Tue, 15 Sep 2026 16:38:03 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> 
>> On 15/09/2026 10:08, Woozy Song wrote:
>>> c186282 wrote:
>>>> Remember when Linux used to be SMALL ???
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Yes they used to make 'enterprise' linux that fitted on 1 DVD,
>>> now bloat bloat bloat
>>
>> It still does...
>> Linux images/linuxmint-22.3-mate-64bit.iso 3.1 GB (3134275584 bytes)
> 
> SUSE Leap's offline installer is 4.2G. The largest iso I have is Omarchy
> at 5.9G. SUSE should still make it on a single layer DVD but not on a vfat
> formatted thumb drive. It does include 3 DEs.

It works fine in a fat formatted thumb drive, because the installation 
process destroys the format and uses its own instead.

Who is using a fat stick to save isos today, anyway? Not Linux users. 
Use exfat at least.

-- 
Cheers,
        Carlos E.R.
        ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺.

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#91516

FromThe Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Date2026-09-16 01:07 +0100
Message-ID<118cmjs$2t1q9$12@dont-email.me>
In reply to#91501
On 15/09/2026 20:32, Carlos E. R. wrote:
> On 2026-09-15 19:21, rbowman wrote:
>> On Tue, 15 Sep 2026 16:38:03 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>
>>> On 15/09/2026 10:08, Woozy Song wrote:
>>>> c186282 wrote:
>>>>> Remember when Linux used to be SMALL ???
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Yes they used to make 'enterprise' linux that fitted on 1 DVD,
>>>> now bloat bloat bloat
>>>
>>> It still does...
>>> Linux images/linuxmint-22.3-mate-64bit.iso 3.1 GB (3134275584 bytes)
>>
>> SUSE Leap's offline installer is 4.2G. The largest iso I have is Omarchy
>> at 5.9G. SUSE should still make it on a single layer DVD but not on a 
>> vfat
>> formatted thumb drive. It does include 3 DEs.
> 
> It works fine in a fat formatted thumb drive, because the installation 
> process destroys the format and uses its own instead.
> 
> Who is using a fat stick to save isos today, anyway? Not Linux users. 
> Use exfat at least.
> 
???? the .iso file contains its own formatting, boot and root partitions 
and all.

VFAT doesnt go near it
.
-- 
There’s a mighty big difference between good, sound reasons and reasons 
that sound good.

Burton Hillis (William Vaughn, American columnist)

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#91518

Fromrbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Date2026-09-16 00:35 +0000
Message-ID<ngu6i2F83ghU11@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#91516
On Wed, 16 Sep 2026 01:07:24 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> On 15/09/2026 20:32, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>> On 2026-09-15 19:21, rbowman wrote:
>>> On Tue, 15 Sep 2026 16:38:03 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 15/09/2026 10:08, Woozy Song wrote:
>>>>> c186282 wrote:
>>>>>> Remember when Linux used to be SMALL ???
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> Yes they used to make 'enterprise' linux that fitted on 1 DVD,
>>>>> now bloat bloat bloat
>>>>
>>>> It still does...
>>>> Linux images/linuxmint-22.3-mate-64bit.iso 3.1 GB (3134275584 bytes)
>>>
>>> SUSE Leap's offline installer is 4.2G. The largest iso I have is
>>> Omarchy at 5.9G. SUSE should still make it on a single layer DVD but
>>> not on a vfat formatted thumb drive. It does include 3 DEs.
>> 
>> It works fine in a fat formatted thumb drive, because the installation
>> process destroys the format and uses its own instead.
>> 
>> Who is using a fat stick to save isos today, anyway? Not Linux users.
>> Use exfat at least.
>> 
> ???? the .iso file contains its own formatting, boot and root partitions
> and all.
> 
> VFAT doesnt go near it .

Try copying an iso greater than 4 GB to a vfat formatted thumb drive.

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#91539

From"Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>
Date2026-09-16 07:13 +0200
Message-ID<ngumrsF9b65U5@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#91518
On 2026-09-16 02:35, rbowman wrote:
> On Wed, 16 Sep 2026 01:07:24 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> 
>> On 15/09/2026 20:32, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>> On 2026-09-15 19:21, rbowman wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 15 Sep 2026 16:38:03 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 15/09/2026 10:08, Woozy Song wrote:
>>>>>> c186282 wrote:
>>>>>>> Remember when Linux used to be SMALL ???
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes they used to make 'enterprise' linux that fitted on 1 DVD,
>>>>>> now bloat bloat bloat
>>>>>
>>>>> It still does...
>>>>> Linux images/linuxmint-22.3-mate-64bit.iso 3.1 GB (3134275584 bytes)
>>>>
>>>> SUSE Leap's offline installer is 4.2G. The largest iso I have is
>>>> Omarchy at 5.9G. SUSE should still make it on a single layer DVD but
>>>> not on a vfat formatted thumb drive. It does include 3 DEs.
>>>
>>> It works fine in a fat formatted thumb drive, because the installation
>>> process destroys the format and uses its own instead.
>>>
>>> Who is using a fat stick to save isos today, anyway? Not Linux users.
>>> Use exfat at least.
>>>
>> ???? the .iso file contains its own formatting, boot and root partitions
>> and all.
>>
>> VFAT doesnt go near it .
> 
> Try copying an iso greater than 4 GB to a vfat formatted thumb drive.
> 

We know, but you don't copy the ISO to the stick, at least the one for 
openSUSE. You "burn" the iso on the stick:

dd if=isofile.iso of=/dev/sda

The formatting goes out of the window. If you just copy it, it will not 
boot.

-- 
Cheers,
        Carlos E.R.
        ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺.

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#91568

FromThe Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Date2026-09-16 11:38 +0100
Message-ID<118dris$39eq9$12@dont-email.me>
In reply to#91539
On 16/09/2026 06:13, Carlos E. R. wrote:
> On 2026-09-16 02:35, rbowman wrote:
>> On Wed, 16 Sep 2026 01:07:24 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>
>>> On 15/09/2026 20:32, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>>> On 2026-09-15 19:21, rbowman wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, 15 Sep 2026 16:38:03 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 15/09/2026 10:08, Woozy Song wrote:
>>>>>>> c186282 wrote:
>>>>>>>> Remember when Linux used to be SMALL ???
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yes they used to make 'enterprise' linux that fitted on 1 DVD,
>>>>>>> now bloat bloat bloat
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It still does...
>>>>>> Linux images/linuxmint-22.3-mate-64bit.iso 3.1 GB (3134275584 bytes)
>>>>>
>>>>> SUSE Leap's offline installer is 4.2G. The largest iso I have is
>>>>> Omarchy at 5.9G. SUSE should still make it on a single layer DVD but
>>>>> not on a vfat formatted thumb drive. It does include 3 DEs.
>>>>
>>>> It works fine in a fat formatted thumb drive, because the installation
>>>> process destroys the format and uses its own instead.
>>>>
>>>> Who is using a fat stick to save isos today, anyway? Not Linux users.
>>>> Use exfat at least.
>>>>
>>> ???? the .iso file contains its own formatting, boot and root partitions
>>> and all.
>>>
>>> VFAT doesnt go near it .
>>
>> Try copying an iso greater than 4 GB to a vfat formatted thumb drive.
>>
> 
> We know, but you don't copy the ISO to the stick, at least the one for 
> openSUSE. You "burn" the iso on the stick:
> 
> dd if=isofile.iso of=/dev/sda
> 
Well that is copying it, just not as a file...its copying the file 
*contents* to the raw device

> The formatting goes out of the window. If you just copy it, it will not 
> boot.
> 

-- 
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guns, why should we let them have ideas?

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#91591

Fromc186282 <c186282@nnada.net>
Date2026-09-16 21:26 -0400
Message-ID<_vCcncclZvzw3Db3nZ2dnZfqn_GdnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#91539
On 9/16/26 01:13, Carlos E. R. wrote:
> On 2026-09-16 02:35, rbowman wrote:
>> On Wed, 16 Sep 2026 01:07:24 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>
>>> On 15/09/2026 20:32, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>>> On 2026-09-15 19:21, rbowman wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, 15 Sep 2026 16:38:03 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 15/09/2026 10:08, Woozy Song wrote:
>>>>>>> c186282 wrote:
>>>>>>>> Remember when Linux used to be SMALL ???
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yes they used to make 'enterprise' linux that fitted on 1 DVD,
>>>>>>> now bloat bloat bloat
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It still does...
>>>>>> Linux images/linuxmint-22.3-mate-64bit.iso 3.1 GB (3134275584 bytes)
>>>>>
>>>>> SUSE Leap's offline installer is 4.2G. The largest iso I have is
>>>>> Omarchy at 5.9G. SUSE should still make it on a single layer DVD but
>>>>> not on a vfat formatted thumb drive. It does include 3 DEs.
>>>>
>>>> It works fine in a fat formatted thumb drive, because the installation
>>>> process destroys the format and uses its own instead.
>>>>
>>>> Who is using a fat stick to save isos today, anyway? Not Linux users.
>>>> Use exfat at least.
>>>>
>>> ???? the .iso file contains its own formatting, boot and root partitions
>>> and all.
>>>
>>> VFAT doesnt go near it .
>>
>> Try copying an iso greater than 4 GB to a vfat formatted thumb drive.
>>
> 
> We know, but you don't copy the ISO to the stick, at least the one for 
> openSUSE. You "burn" the iso on the stick:
> 
> dd if=isofile.iso of=/dev/sda
> 
> The formatting goes out of the window. If you just copy it, it will not 
> boot.


   I pref "Etcher" ... does more checks than 'dd'.
   There are a few others too.

   In any case, Many Linux distros now seem WAY too fat.

   Some DO offer a 'basic install' and then you can add
   just what YOU want ... this may be the better way, but
   many will still just download the 'everything' version.

   I'm sure the Oracle version I got was "everything".
   However I'm most likely to use it in a VM rather
   than as a native install, so perhaps I should go
   back looking for the 'smaller' revision.

   Oops ... looked ... you either get the HUGE one or
   the 'boot only' version or their "UEK" boot version.
   Some other distros are more reasonable with a slim
   version and/or NetInst.

   Oh well, Winders is still MUCH larger these days ...

   Oracle ... not 100% sure I *want* to use their stuff
   given how they're sending most of their workers off
   to the Soylent Green factory ........

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#91605

From"Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>
Date2026-09-17 08:17 +0200
Message-ID<j8dsnmx95q.ln2@Telcontar.valinor>
In reply to#91591
On 2026-09-17 03:26, c186282 wrote:
> On 9/16/26 01:13, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>> On 2026-09-16 02:35, rbowman wrote:
>>> On Wed, 16 Sep 2026 01:07:24 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 15/09/2026 20:32, Carlos E. R. wrote:


>>
>> We know, but you don't copy the ISO to the stick, at least the one for 
>> openSUSE. You "burn" the iso on the stick:
>>
>> dd if=isofile.iso of=/dev/sda
>>
>> The formatting goes out of the window. If you just copy it, it will 
>> not boot.
> 
> 
>    I pref "Etcher" ... does more checks than 'dd'.
>    There are a few others too.

Just had a look, the thing is not included in the openSUSE repos, has to 
be downloaded from an external site.

> 
>    In any case, Many Linux distros now seem WAY too fat.

openSUSE has always been fat, but there was a minimal install option. 
There is even a small install iso, it downloads anything it needs during 
install.

> 
>    Some DO offer a 'basic install' and then you can add
>    just what YOU want ... this may be the better way, but
>    many will still just download the 'everything' version.
> 
>    I'm sure the Oracle version I got was "everything".
>    However I'm most likely to use it in a VM rather
>    than as a native install, so perhaps I should go
>    back looking for the 'smaller' revision.
> 
>    Oops ... looked ... you either get the HUGE one or
>    the 'boot only' version or their "UEK" boot version.
>    Some other distros are more reasonable with a slim
>    version and/or NetInst.
> 
>    Oh well, Winders is still MUCH larger these days ...

Difference is, it is only the bare system.

> 
>    Oracle ... not 100% sure I *want* to use their stuff
>    given how they're sending most of their workers off
>    to the Soylent Green factory ........




-- 
Cheers, Carlos.
ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;

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#91607

Fromrbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Date2026-09-17 06:25 +0000
Message-ID<nh1ffhF83ghU37@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#91605
On Thu, 17 Sep 2026 08:17:23 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote:

> On 2026-09-17 03:26, c186282 wrote:
>> On 9/16/26 01:13, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>> On 2026-09-16 02:35, rbowman wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 16 Sep 2026 01:07:24 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 15/09/2026 20:32, Carlos E. R. wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>>> We know, but you don't copy the ISO to the stick, at least the one for
>>> openSUSE. You "burn" the iso on the stick:
>>>
>>> dd if=isofile.iso of=/dev/sda
>>>
>>> The formatting goes out of the window. If you just copy it, it will
>>> not boot.
>> 
>> 
>>    I pref "Etcher" ... does more checks than 'dd'.
>>    There are a few others too.
> 
> Just had a look, the thing is not included in the openSUSE repos, has to
> be downloaded from an external site.

I had issues trying to get BalenaEtcher to work. I'll stick with Disk 
Image Writer. No big deal but I wonder why it isn't an option with the 
TumbleWeed version of Dolphin?

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#91612

From"Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>
Date2026-09-17 08:38 +0200
Message-ID<1hesnmxj0u.ln2@Telcontar.valinor>
In reply to#91607
On 2026-09-17 08:25, rbowman wrote:
> On Thu, 17 Sep 2026 08:17:23 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> 
>> On 2026-09-17 03:26, c186282 wrote:
>>> On 9/16/26 01:13, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>>> On 2026-09-16 02:35, rbowman wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 16 Sep 2026 01:07:24 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 15/09/2026 20:32, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>> We know, but you don't copy the ISO to the stick, at least the one for
>>>> openSUSE. You "burn" the iso on the stick:
>>>>
>>>> dd if=isofile.iso of=/dev/sda
>>>>
>>>> The formatting goes out of the window. If you just copy it, it will
>>>> not boot.
>>>
>>>
>>>     I pref "Etcher" ... does more checks than 'dd'.
>>>     There are a few others too.
>>
>> Just had a look, the thing is not included in the openSUSE repos, has to
>> be downloaded from an external site.
> 
> I had issues trying to get BalenaEtcher to work. I'll stick with Disk
> Image Writer. No big deal but I wonder why it isn't an option with the
> TumbleWeed version of Dolphin?

The SUSE Studio ImageWriter is gone, at least the Windows version. But 
zypper finds the rpm.

I'll try it the next time.

-- 
Cheers, Carlos.
ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;

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#91614

Fromc186282 <c186282@nnada.net>
Date2026-09-17 03:34 -0400
Message-ID<w46dnVztwshhCjb3nZ2dnZfqn_udnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#91607
On 9/17/26 02:25, rbowman wrote:
> On Thu, 17 Sep 2026 08:17:23 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> 
>> On 2026-09-17 03:26, c186282 wrote:
>>> On 9/16/26 01:13, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>>> On 2026-09-16 02:35, rbowman wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 16 Sep 2026 01:07:24 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 15/09/2026 20:32, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>> We know, but you don't copy the ISO to the stick, at least the one for
>>>> openSUSE. You "burn" the iso on the stick:
>>>>
>>>> dd if=isofile.iso of=/dev/sda
>>>>
>>>> The formatting goes out of the window. If you just copy it, it will
>>>> not boot.
>>>
>>>
>>>     I pref "Etcher" ... does more checks than 'dd'.
>>>     There are a few others too.
>>
>> Just had a look, the thing is not included in the openSUSE repos, has to
>> be downloaded from an external site.
> 
> I had issues trying to get BalenaEtcher to work. I'll stick with Disk
> Image Writer. No big deal but I wonder why it isn't an option with the
> TumbleWeed version of Dolphin?

   Etcher and a number of similar work fine. They DO
   apply extra checks to what's been burned into the
   stick/dvd. Might be useful - of late I had a bad
   version of Kali. Etcher FOUND it - 'dd' would not
   have. Then, mystery crashes .....

   AAUUGGH ! Ate FISH, "had" to, tonight. Now I won't
   be able to sleep until 5 or 6 AM !!! Dunno why.

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#91611

Fromc186282 <c186282@nnada.net>
Date2026-09-17 02:41 -0400
Message-ID<_4OdnQXHEs1kFjb3nZ2dnZfqn_qdnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#91605
On 9/17/26 02:17, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> On 2026-09-17 03:26, c186282 wrote:
>> On 9/16/26 01:13, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>> On 2026-09-16 02:35, rbowman wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 16 Sep 2026 01:07:24 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 15/09/2026 20:32, Carlos E. R. wrote:
> 
> 
>>>
>>> We know, but you don't copy the ISO to the stick, at least the one 
>>> for openSUSE. You "burn" the iso on the stick:
>>>
>>> dd if=isofile.iso of=/dev/sda
>>>
>>> The formatting goes out of the window. If you just copy it, it will 
>>> not boot.
>>
>>
>>    I pref "Etcher" ... does more checks than 'dd'.
>>    There are a few others too.
> 
> Just had a look, the thing is not included in the openSUSE repos, has to 
> be downloaded from an external site.


   Correct.

   Lots of stuff is not included in typical distros.

   MX Linux has a built-in version of a stick/dvd
   burner if that makes you feel better.


>>    In any case, Many Linux distros now seem WAY too fat.
> 
> openSUSE has always been fat, but there was a minimal install option. 
> There is even a small install iso, it downloads anything it needs during 
> install.

   SUSE/OpenSUSE has always been kinda fat - however
   it's mostly been a GOOD kind of 'fat'. Of late
   however .......

   DID use SUSE/OpenSUSE extensively back in the
   day - but then it got kinda WEIRD and I dropped
   it in favor of vanilla Deb for my servers.

>>    Some DO offer a 'basic install' and then you can add
>>    just what YOU want ... this may be the better way, but
>>    many will still just download the 'everything' version.
>>
>>    I'm sure the Oracle version I got was "everything".
>>    However I'm most likely to use it in a VM rather
>>    than as a native install, so perhaps I should go
>>    back looking for the 'smaller' revision.
>>
>>    Oops ... looked ... you either get the HUGE one or
>>    the 'boot only' version or their "UEK" boot version.
>>    Some other distros are more reasonable with a slim
>>    version and/or NetInst.
>>
>>    Oh well, Winders is still MUCH larger these days ...
> 
> Difference is, it is only the bare system.

   "Difference" ? Winders is just HUGE now no matter
   which version/sub-version you have. 40+ gigs of
   GARBAGE and spy-ware and gotcha-ware What a horror !

>>    Oracle ... not 100% sure I *want* to use their stuff
>>    given how they're sending most of their workers off
>>    to the Soylent Green factory ........

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#91615

From"Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>
Date2026-09-17 09:44 +0200
Message-ID<acisnmxk77.ln2@Telcontar.valinor>
In reply to#91611
On 2026-09-17 08:41, c186282 wrote:
> On 9/17/26 02:17, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>> On 2026-09-17 03:26, c186282 wrote:
>>> On 9/16/26 01:13, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>>> On 2026-09-16 02:35, rbowman wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 16 Sep 2026 01:07:24 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 15/09/2026 20:32, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>
>>
>>>>
>>>> We know, but you don't copy the ISO to the stick, at least the one 
>>>> for openSUSE. You "burn" the iso on the stick:
>>>>
>>>> dd if=isofile.iso of=/dev/sda
>>>>
>>>> The formatting goes out of the window. If you just copy it, it will 
>>>> not boot.
>>>
>>>
>>>    I pref "Etcher" ... does more checks than 'dd'.
>>>    There are a few others too.
>>
>> Just had a look, the thing is not included in the openSUSE repos, has 
>> to be downloaded from an external site.
> 
> 
>    Correct.
> 
>    Lots of stuff is not included in typical distros.

But the download and install page recommends Etcher. Ah, no, my mistake: 
it is the help for Windows, the page for Linux recommends Impression or 
Imagewriter.

<https://en.opensuse.org/SDB:Create_a_Live_USB_stick_using_Windows>
<https://en.opensuse.org/SDB:Live_USB_stick>


> 
>    MX Linux has a built-in version of a stick/dvd
>    burner if that makes you feel better.

I have used dd my entire life :-)

When my only system was Windows (Me) I bought the SuSE professional in 
floppies and CDs. USB sticks had not yet been invented.

So I think I never needed to create a stick under Windows. Maybe at work 
once?

I burned install CD/DVDs, though.

> 
> 
>>>    In any case, Many Linux distros now seem WAY too fat.
>>
>> openSUSE has always been fat, but there was a minimal install option. 
>> There is even a small install iso, it downloads anything it needs 
>> during install.
> 
>    SUSE/OpenSUSE has always been kinda fat - however
>    it's mostly been a GOOD kind of 'fat'. Of late
>    however .......
> 
>    DID use SUSE/OpenSUSE extensively back in the
>    day - but then it got kinda WEIRD and I dropped
>    it in favor of vanilla Deb for my servers.
> 
>>>    Some DO offer a 'basic install' and then you can add
>>>    just what YOU want ... this may be the better way, but
>>>    many will still just download the 'everything' version.
>>>
>>>    I'm sure the Oracle version I got was "everything".
>>>    However I'm most likely to use it in a VM rather
>>>    than as a native install, so perhaps I should go
>>>    back looking for the 'smaller' revision.
>>>
>>>    Oops ... looked ... you either get the HUGE one or
>>>    the 'boot only' version or their "UEK" boot version.
>>>    Some other distros are more reasonable with a slim
>>>    version and/or NetInst.
>>>
>>>    Oh well, Winders is still MUCH larger these days ...
>>
>> Difference is, it is only the bare system.
> 
>    "Difference" ? Winders is just HUGE now no matter
>    which version/sub-version you have. 40+ gigs of
>    GARBAGE and spy-ware and gotcha-ware What a horror !

No office software, no anything useful. Have to be purchased separately. 
Does it have a video player that works? Mail perhaps, dunno.

> 
>>>    Oracle ... not 100% sure I *want* to use their stuff
>>>    given how they're sending most of their workers off
>>>    to the Soylent Green factory ........
> 
> 


-- 
Cheers, Carlos.
ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;

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#91652

FromCharlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>
Date2026-09-17 17:44 +0000
Message-ID<XFVqS.43113$fTB4.17099@fx08.iad>
In reply to#91615
On 2026-09-17, Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

> On 2026-09-17 08:41, c186282 wrote:
>
>>    "Difference" ? Winders is just HUGE now no matter
>>    which version/sub-version you have. 40+ gigs of
>>    GARBAGE and spy-ware and gotcha-ware What a horror !
>
> No office software, no anything useful. Have to be purchased separately. 

s/purchased/rented/

> Does it have a video player that works? Mail perhaps, dunno.

I never got close enough to know.  But remember that
"Outlook" is best pronounced "Look out!"

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#91655

From"Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>
Date2026-09-17 20:38 +0200
Message-ID<8lotnmxmbu.ln2@Telcontar.valinor>
In reply to#91652
On 2026-09-17 19:44, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
> On 2026-09-17, Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
> 
>> On 2026-09-17 08:41, c186282 wrote:
>>
>>>     "Difference" ? Winders is just HUGE now no matter
>>>     which version/sub-version you have. 40+ gigs of
>>>     GARBAGE and spy-ware and gotcha-ware What a horror !
>>
>> No office software, no anything useful. Have to be purchased separately.
> 
> s/purchased/rented/

You can still buy it.

> 
>> Does it have a video player that works? Mail perhaps, dunno.
> 
> I never got close enough to know.  But remember that
> "Outlook" is best pronounced "Look out!"
> 


-- 
Cheers, Carlos.
ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;

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