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| First post | 2026-09-15 03:52 -0400 |
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Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-15 03:52 -0400
Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de> - 2026-09-15 10:54 +0200
Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-09-15 23:30 +0000
Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! Woozy Song <suzyw0ng@outlook.com> - 2026-09-15 17:08 +0800
Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-15 16:38 +0100
Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-15 17:21 +0000
Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-15 21:32 +0200
Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-16 01:07 +0100
Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-16 00:35 +0000
Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-16 07:13 +0200
Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-16 11:38 +0100
Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-16 21:26 -0400
Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-17 08:17 +0200
Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-17 06:25 +0000
Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-17 08:38 +0200
Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-17 03:34 -0400
Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-17 02:41 -0400
Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-17 09:44 +0200
Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-09-17 17:44 +0000
Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-17 20:38 +0200
Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-17 19:39 +0000
Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-17 19:35 +0000
Ventoy for ISO management? (Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO !) Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2026-09-26 09:23 -0700
Re: Ventoy for ISO management? (Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO !) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-26 19:21 +0000
Re: Ventoy for ISO management? (Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO !) jayjwa <jayjwa@atr2.ath.cx.invalid> - 2026-09-26 19:21 -0400
Re: Tips for dd ( was Re: Ventoy for ISO management?) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-09-27 03:00 +0000
Re: Tips for dd ( was Re: Ventoy for ISO management?) Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> - 2026-09-27 04:18 +0000
Re: Tips for dd ( was Re: Ventoy for ISO management?) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-09-27 07:05 +0000
Re: Tips for dd ( was Re: Ventoy for ISO management?) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 09:17 +0100
Re: Tips for dd ( was Re: Ventoy for ISO management?) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 12:57 +0100
Re: Tips for dd ( was Re: Ventoy for ISO management?) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-27 14:23 +0200
Re: Tips for dd ( was Re: Ventoy for ISO management?) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 17:41 +0100
Re: Tips for dd ( was Re: Ventoy for ISO management?) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-27 19:55 +0200
Re: Tips for dd ( was Re: Ventoy for ISO management?) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-27 12:53 +0200
Re: Tips for dd ( was Re: Ventoy for ISO management?) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-27 18:04 +0100
Re: Tips for dd ( was Re: Ventoy for ISO management?) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-27 04:13 -0400
Re: Tips for dd ( was Re: Ventoy for ISO management?) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-27 12:53 +0200
Re: Tips for dd ( was Re: Ventoy for ISO management?) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-28 01:37 -0400
Re: Tips for dd ( was Re: Ventoy for ISO management?) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-28 10:09 +0200
Re: Tips for dd ( was Re: Ventoy for ISO management?) Philippe <p.naudin+nntp@free.fr> - 2026-09-28 12:10 +0200
Re: Tips for dd ( was Re: Ventoy for ISO management?) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-09-28 23:03 +0000
Re: Ventoy for ISO management? (Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO !) "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2026-09-27 18:56 +0200
Re: Ventoy for ISO management? (Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO !) Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-09-27 18:17 +0100
Re: Ventoy for ISO management? (Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO !) ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) - 2026-09-28 00:50 +0000
Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-17 19:28 +0000
Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-16 11:37 +0100
Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-16 18:04 +0000
ISO9660 images, vfat USB mass storage devices and El Torito (was: Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO !) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-16 18:55 +0100
Re: ISO9660 images, vfat USB mass storage devices and El Torito c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-16 22:25 -0400
Re: ISO9660 images, vfat USB mass storage devices and El Torito "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-17 08:22 +0200
Re: ISO9660 images, vfat USB mass storage devices and El Torito c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-17 03:28 -0400
Re: ISO9660 images, vfat USB mass storage devices and El Torito "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-17 10:32 +0200
Re: ISO9660 images, vfat USB mass storage devices and El Torito rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-17 20:25 +0000
Re: ISO9660 images, vfat USB mass storage devices and El Torito c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-17 21:26 -0400
Re: ISO9660 images, vfat USB mass storage devices and El Torito "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-19 21:39 +0200
Re: ISO9660 images, vfat USB mass storage devices and El Torito rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-20 01:55 +0000
Re: ISO9660 images, vfat USB mass storage devices and El Torito "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-20 14:10 +0200
Re: ISO9660 images, vfat USB mass storage devices and El Torito rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-20 17:35 +0000
Re: ISO9660 images, vfat USB mass storage devices and El Torito "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-20 21:01 +0200
Re: ISO9660 images, vfat USB mass storage devices and El Torito rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-21 02:28 +0000
Re: ISO9660 images, vfat USB mass storage devices and El Torito "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-21 11:36 +0200
Re: ISO9660 images, vfat USB mass storage devices and El Torito rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-21 19:06 +0000
Re: ISO9660 images, vfat USB mass storage devices and El Torito "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-21 21:48 +0200
Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-16 00:33 +0000
Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-16 07:14 +0200
Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-09-16 05:45 +0000
Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-16 08:52 +0200
Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-09-16 07:44 +0000
Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-16 10:07 +0200
Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-16 17:53 +0000
Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-17 14:02 +0100
Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-17 19:02 +0000
Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-17 22:18 +0100
Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-16 06:18 +0000
Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-16 11:39 +0100
Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-16 17:48 +0000
Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-16 20:40 +0200
Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-16 21:40 -0400
Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-16 22:18 -0400
Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-09-17 03:29 +0000
Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-17 08:25 +0200
Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-17 02:33 -0400
Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-17 14:11 +0100
Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-17 20:40 +0200
Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-17 14:00 +0100
Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-16 21:27 -0400
Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-17 02:11 +0000
Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-17 14:07 +0100
Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-17 19:41 +0000
Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-16 11:35 +0100
Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-16 18:02 +0000
Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-17 14:04 +0100
Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-16 01:05 +0100
Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2026-09-15 05:50 -0700
Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! Philippe <p.naudin+nntp@free.fr> - 2026-09-15 15:23 +0200
Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! Bud Frede <frede@mouse-potato.com> - 2026-10-08 15:52 -0400
Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! Cóilín Nioclásín Glostéir <thanks-to@Taf.com> - 2026-10-10 18:40 +0000
Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-11 00:12 -0400
Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-10-11 10:01 +0100
Monochrome and readability (was: Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO !) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-11 10:15 +0100
Re: Monochrome and readability The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-11 10:37 +0100
Re: Monochrome and readability c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-12 01:06 -0400
Re: Monochrome and readability Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-10-12 10:12 +0100
Re: Monochrome and readability Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-12 21:08 +0000
Re: Monochrome and readability John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-10-12 14:50 -0700
Re: Monochrome and readability Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-10-15 02:51 +0000
Re: Monochrome and readability c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-13 00:58 -0400
Re: Monochrome and readability Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-10-12 16:27 +0000
Re: Monochrome and readability Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-12 21:14 +0000
Re: Monochrome and readability c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-13 01:37 -0400
Re: Monochrome and readability "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-13 12:50 +0200
Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-11 10:37 +0100
Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-11 21:31 +0000
Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-11 10:31 +0100
Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-09-15 14:40 +0100
Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-15 17:24 +0000
Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-09-16 01:50 +0000
Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> - 2026-09-16 02:31 +0000
Re: Wow - Oracle Linux - 10+ Gigabyte ISO ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-16 06:25 +0000
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-10-11 10:37 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: Monochrome and readability |
| Message-ID | <11aflch$2f5dd$28@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #93384 |
On 11/10/2026 10:15, Nuno Silva wrote: > On 2026-10-11, Andy Burns wrote: > >> c186282 wrote: >> >>> A number of the old affordable 'monochrome' video >>> cards produced very GOOD results - crisp sharp text. >>> Some would do graphics, again sharp (within the >>> rez limits of the time). >> >> Is that more due to the mono monitors rather than RGB monitors with >> relatively coarse dot-pitch of the time? > > Either that or it forced e.g. text with shades of gray for > "anti-aliasing"-like stuff to be rendered crisply. Or was that kind of > font (mis-)rendering technique used only later? > Monochrome could utilise higher bandwidth and had no 'pixels' as such. Color CRTs were always an abomination - shadow masks work, and the Sony Trinitron was the best of all, but today's LEDS beat them hands down -- “Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities.” ― Voltaire, Questions sur les Miracles à M. Claparede, Professeur de Théologie à Genève, par un Proposant: Ou Extrait de Diverses Lettres de M. de Voltaire
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2026-10-12 01:06 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: Monochrome and readability |
| Message-ID | <2tadnUCJXZEg91H3nZ2dnZfqn_idnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #93384 |
On 10/11/26 05:15, Nuno Silva wrote: > On 2026-10-11, Andy Burns wrote: > >> c186282 wrote: >> >>> A number of the old affordable 'monochrome' video >>> cards produced very GOOD results - crisp sharp text. >>> Some would do graphics, again sharp (within the >>> rez limits of the time). >> >> Is that more due to the mono monitors rather than RGB monitors with >> relatively coarse dot-pitch of the time? > > Either that or it forced e.g. text with shades of gray for > "anti-aliasing"-like stuff to be rendered crisply. Or was that kind of > font (mis-)rendering technique used only later? With color displays, even good ones, certain "tricks" with fonts proved useful. If not then, well, we wouldn't still be seeing them. But frankly, for sharp crisp text, the old monochrome units were 'better'. My users stuck to them for a long time before everything went totally 'GUI'. There was at least one monochrome monitor ... white, but with a slightly 'warm' tinge. Can not remember exactly. IBM ? AT-era anyhow. They were very much loved. The 'green screen', not so much, nor the 'amber'. Anyway, WordPerfect+mono ... top productivity and happiness.
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| From | Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> |
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| Date | 2026-10-12 10:12 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: Monochrome and readability |
| Message-ID | <nj3mkrF7solU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #93453 |
c186282 wrote: > There was at least one monochrome monitor ... > white, but with a slightly 'warm' tinge. Can > not remember exactly. IBM ? AT-era anyhow. > They were very much loved. The 'green screen', > not so much, nor the 'amber'. Ericsson? though they tended to use amber rather than paper-white > Anyway, WordPerfect+mono ... top productivity > and happiness. Yes, I still miss "reveal codes" mode in wordprocessors, and the way it could do combined indents and tabs.
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| From | Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-10-12 21:08 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Monochrome and readability |
| Message-ID | <11aji8h$3vq17$3@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #93463 |
On Mon, 12 Oct 2026 10:12:53 +0100, Andy Burns wrote: > Yes, I still miss "reveal codes" mode in wordprocessors ... Only one major word processor had such a mode -- or needed it. That was WordPerfect. Other word processors didn’t have any embedded “codes” that they could “reveal”. What you saw was what you got.
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| From | John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2026-10-12 14:50 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: Monochrome and readability |
| Message-ID | <20261012145020.00007910@gmail.com> |
| In reply to | #93547 |
On Mon, 12 Oct 2026 21:08:33 -0000 (UTC) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: > Only one major word processor had such a mode -- or needed it. > That was WordPerfect. > > Other word processors didn’t have any embedded “codes” that they could > “reveal”. What you saw was what you got. That's an absurd thing to say - *all* rich-text word-processors have embedded formatting info, otherwise they would have no means by which to save the specifics of the rich-text properties. (At least, prior to the advent of Unicode's Mathematical Alphanumeric Symbols block - but using this for styled text is a Bad Idea no matter how popular it is with the fondleslab TweetSky crowd, because it's pure hell for accessibility: https://kence.org/2020/10/02/accessibility-of-unicode-as-styled-text/ )
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| From | Rich <rich@example.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-10-15 02:51 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Monochrome and readability |
| Message-ID | <11apf2s$21i3e$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #93549 |
John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> wrote: > On Mon, 12 Oct 2026 21:08:33 -0000 (UTC) > Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: > >> Only one major word processor had such a mode -- or needed it. >> That was WordPerfect. >> >> Other word processors didn’t have any embedded “codes” that they could >> “reveal”. What you saw was what you got. > > That's an absurd thing to say - *all* rich-text word-processors have > embedded formatting info, otherwise they would have no means by which > to save the specifics of the rich-text properties. You fell for one of our local troll's trolling posts.
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2026-10-13 00:58 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: Monochrome and readability |
| Message-ID | <RWqdnVrLKKsRJ1D3nZ2dnZfqnPGdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #93547 |
On 10/12/26 17:08, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: > On Mon, 12 Oct 2026 10:12:53 +0100, Andy Burns wrote: > >> Yes, I still miss "reveal codes" mode in wordprocessors ... > > Only one major word processor had such a mode -- or needed it. > That was WordPerfect. It *would* let you fine-tune. Most competitors just *did* it and you couldn't do much about it, often couldn't even see it. > Other word processors didn’t have any embedded “codes” that they could > “reveal”. What you saw was what you got. Oh, the codes, or equivs, WERE there. Nothing just magically happens.
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| From | Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-10-12 16:27 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Monochrome and readability |
| Message-ID | <0U7zS.178742$9DFb.88187@fx15.iad> |
| In reply to | #93453 |
On 2026-10-12, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote: > With color displays, even good ones, certain > "tricks" with fonts proved useful. If not > then, well, we wouldn't still be seeing them. > > But frankly, for sharp crisp text, the old > monochrome units were 'better'. My users > stuck to them for a long time before everything > went totally 'GUI'. When a PPOE got its first personal computers, they all had colour monitors. Not only were the text displays fuzzy, the response time was so slow that a good typist could get a full word ahead of the screen. Eventually we swapped all but one of the colour monitors (the engineers needed colour for their work) with Hercules displays: razor-sharp and lightning-fast. That's what happens when you let executives make the purchasing decisions. -- /~\ Charlie Gibbs | In this world there are \ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | two kinds of people: X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | 1. Those who can extrapolate / \ if you read it the right way. | from incomplete data.
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| From | Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-10-12 21:14 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Monochrome and readability |
| Message-ID | <11ajijf$3vq17$4@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #93524 |
On Mon, 12 Oct 2026 16:27:40 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > When a PPOE got its first personal computers, they all had colour > monitors. Not only were the text displays fuzzy, the response time > was so slow that a good typist could get a full word ahead of the > screen. Eventually we swapped all but one of the colour monitors > (the engineers needed colour for their work) with Hercules displays: > razor-sharp and lightning-fast. This was the typical situation throughout much of the 1980s. This is why IBM sold two major display systems for its PC range in those early days: CGA with colour graphics and lower resolution, and MDA with higher-resolution, but text-only -- no graphics. This changed in 1987, when Apple introduced the Mac II, along with its RGB 13” (later rebadged 14”) colour monitor, based around a Sony Trinitron CRT. Reviews widely regarded this as the first colour monitor that was so good, you could use it for monochrome work and not realize it could do colour.
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2026-10-13 01:37 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: Monochrome and readability |
| Message-ID | <U-OdnT8CTtkBXlD3nZ2dnZfqn_idnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #93548 |
On 10/12/26 17:14, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: > On Mon, 12 Oct 2026 16:27:40 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > >> When a PPOE got its first personal computers, they all had colour >> monitors. Not only were the text displays fuzzy, the response time >> was so slow that a good typist could get a full word ahead of the >> screen. Eventually we swapped all but one of the colour monitors >> (the engineers needed colour for their work) with Hercules displays: >> razor-sharp and lightning-fast. > > This was the typical situation throughout much of the 1980s. This is > why IBM sold two major display systems for its PC range in those early > days: CGA with colour graphics and lower resolution, and MDA with > higher-resolution, but text-only -- no graphics. I remember a display that came with ... was it "PC-Jr" or one of the other lesser-selling sub-versions ? ... that was just beautiful monochrome. That 'warm-ish' white, very crisp and no eye-strain. The original Mac monitors were good too (albeit tiny). > This changed in 1987, when Apple introduced the Mac II, along with its > RGB 13” (later rebadged 14”) colour monitor, based around a Sony > Trinitron CRT. Reviews widely regarded this as the first colour > monitor that was so good, you could use it for monochrome work and not > realize it could do colour. Were good. Alas, for a long time, decent displays were almost a corporate afterthought.
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-10-13 12:50 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: Monochrome and readability |
| Message-ID | <d0f1qmxllp.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #93548 |
On 2026-10-12 23:14, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: > On Mon, 12 Oct 2026 16:27:40 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > >> When a PPOE got its first personal computers, they all had colour >> monitors. Not only were the text displays fuzzy, the response time >> was so slow that a good typist could get a full word ahead of the >> screen. Eventually we swapped all but one of the colour monitors >> (the engineers needed colour for their work) with Hercules displays: >> razor-sharp and lightning-fast. > > This was the typical situation throughout much of the 1980s. This is > why IBM sold two major display systems for its PC range in those early > days: CGA with colour graphics and lower resolution, and MDA with > higher-resolution, but text-only -- no graphics. > > This changed in 1987, when Apple introduced the Mac II, along with its > RGB 13” (later rebadged 14”) colour monitor, based around a Sony > Trinitron CRT. Reviews widely regarded this as the first colour > monitor that was so good, you could use it for monochrome work and not > realize it could do colour. I think the Amstrad PC 1512 had a reasonably good colour display in 1986, because it came with a GUI, called GEM. I did not pay for it, so bought the monochrome display, which was rendering the colour mode in different values of grey. 16 colours in 640×200 -- Cheers, Carlos. ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-10-11 10:37 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <11afld1$2f5dd$29@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #93376 |
On 11/10/2026 10:01, Andy Burns wrote: > c186282 wrote: > >> A number of the old affordable 'monochrome' video >> cards produced very GOOD results - crisp sharp text. >> Some would do graphics, again sharp (within the >> rez limits of the time). > > Is that more due to the mono monitors rather than RGB monitors with > relatively coarse dot-pitch of the time? > Yes -- “The urge to save humanity is almost always only a false face for the urge to rule it.” – H. L. Mencken
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| From | Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-10-11 21:31 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <11agv87$30k5e$7@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #93376 |
On Sun, 11 Oct 2026 10:01:35 +0100, Andy Burns wrote: > c186282 wrote: > >> A number of the old affordable 'monochrome' video cards produced >> very GOOD results - crisp sharp text. Some would do graphics, again >> sharp (within the rez limits of the time). > > Is that more due to the mono monitors rather than RGB monitors with > relatively coarse dot-pitch of the time? It was indeed, and I can attest to that, having been alive at the time.
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-10-11 10:31 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <11afl13$2f5dd$26@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #93352 |
On 11/10/2026 05:12, c186282 wrote:
> Oh, is "bus" or "buss" more accurate ? I tend
> to use "buss", to differentiate from public
> transport vehicles.
Bus. It is axiomatic that you got it wrong
It is the same word because it has the same meaning
The word bus is a shortened clipping of omnibus, a Latin word meaning
"for all" or "for everyone"
Electrical / Audio Bus: Derived from "bus bar" (short for omnibus),
referring to a common electrical conductor or signal pathway that
combines and distributes power or audio signals to multiple circuits.
Buss is an archaic word for kiss
--
“Ideas are inherently conservative. They yield not to the attack of
other ideas but to the massive onslaught of circumstance"
- John K Galbraith
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| From | Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> |
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| Date | 2026-09-15 14:40 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <ngt06lF699sU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #91476 |
Lars Poulsen wrote: > On 9/15/2026 00:52, c186282 wrote: >> Remember when Linux used to be SMALL ??? > > I remember when 20+ floppies for Red Hat Linux were replaced by one CD. > > Then it grew to one DVD. Then the DVD had to be dual layer. > > So now it is a Blu-Ray disc. More likely a 16GB USB flash drive (if you can find one that small?)
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-09-15 17:24 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <ngtda7F83ghU2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #91476 |
On Tue, 15 Sep 2026 05:50:20 -0700, Lars Poulsen wrote: > On 9/15/2026 00:52, c186282 wrote: >> Remember when Linux used to be SMALL ??? > > I remember when 20+ floppies for Red Hat Linux were replaced by one CD. > > Then it grew to one DVD. Then the DVD had to be dual layer. > > So now it is a Blu-Ray disc. I'd have to look but I believe my SuSE 8.1 box contains 5 CDs and 1 DVD for the days when DVD players weren't ubiquitous.
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| From | Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-09-16 01:50 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <118csls$2v55s$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #91476 |
On Tue, 15 Sep 2026 05:50:20 -0700, Lars Poulsen wrote: > On 9/15/2026 00:52, c186282 wrote: >> >> Remember when Linux used to be SMALL ??? > > I remember when 20+ floppies for Red Hat Linux were replaced by one > CD. > > Then it grew to one DVD. Then the DVD had to be dual layer. > > So now it is a Blu-Ray disc. The Linux-7.1.9 kernel on my Debian Unstable install is only about 14MB. If you want to include functioning userlands (without GUIs), I also have various LXC containers on this machine, ranging from under a gigabyte to about 8 gigabytes.
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| From | Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> |
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| Date | 2026-09-16 02:31 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <18d5ac528030bbf7$19959$1943410$802601b3@news.usenetexpress.com> |
| In reply to | #91524 |
On Wed, 16 Sep 2026 01:50:52 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: > > If you want to include functioning userlands (without GUIs), I also > have various LXC containers on this machine, ranging from under a > gigabyte to about 8 gigabytes. > Probably the smallest functional GNU/Linux install is the Gentoo stage archive which will boot into console mode (no GUI). The compressed size is a whopping 257 megabytes: <https://www.gentoo.org/downloads/amd64/#stages>
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-09-16 06:25 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <ngur3iF83ghU21@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #91524 |
On Wed, 16 Sep 2026 01:50:52 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: > On Tue, 15 Sep 2026 05:50:20 -0700, Lars Poulsen wrote: > >> On 9/15/2026 00:52, c186282 wrote: >>> >>> Remember when Linux used to be SMALL ??? >> >> I remember when 20+ floppies for Red Hat Linux were replaced by one CD. >> >> Then it grew to one DVD. Then the DVD had to be dual layer. >> >> So now it is a Blu-Ray disc. > > The Linux-7.1.9 kernel on my Debian Unstable install is only about 14MB. Sid is slipping. Fedora 45 is 7.2.6 and Tumbleweed is 7.2.5.
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