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| Started by | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| First post | 2026-09-10 00:33 -0400 |
| Last post | 2026-09-14 17:14 +0000 |
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Yeeks ! DO Check Yer Phone Batteries !!! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-10 00:33 -0400
Re: Yeeks ! DO Check Yer Phone Batteries !!! "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-10 09:14 +0200
Re: Yeeks ! DO Check Yer Phone Batteries !!! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-10 04:39 -0400
Re: Yeeks ! DO Check Yer Phone Batteries !!! The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-10 12:02 +0100
Re: Yeeks ! DO Check Yer Phone Batteries !!! Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2026-09-10 09:41 -0700
Re: Yeeks ! DO Check Yer Phone Batteries !!! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-10 17:58 +0000
Re: Yeeks ! DO Check Yer Phone Batteries !!! The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-10 11:58 +0100
Re: Yeeks ! DO Check Yer Phone Batteries !!! "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-10 19:16 +0200
Re: Yeeks ! DO Check Yer Phone Batteries !!! The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-10 19:46 +0100
Re: Yeeks ! DO Check Yer Phone Batteries !!! "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-10 21:00 +0200
Re: Yeeks ! DO Check Yer Phone Batteries !!! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-11 03:46 +0000
Re: Yeeks ! DO Check Yer Phone Batteries !!! The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-11 10:54 +0100
Re: Yeeks ! DO Check Yer Phone Batteries !!! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-11 18:49 +0000
Re: Yeeks ! DO Check Yer Phone Batteries !!! The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-12 11:27 +0100
Re: Yeeks ! DO Check Yer Phone Batteries !!! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-12 02:07 -0400
Re: Yeeks ! DO Check Yer Phone Batteries !!! The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-12 11:34 +0100
Re: Yeeks ! DO Check Yer Phone Batteries !!! "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-12 13:53 +0200
Re: Yeeks ! DO Check Yer Phone Batteries !!! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-12 18:38 +0000
Re: Yeeks ! DO Check Yer Phone Batteries !!! "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-12 21:38 +0200
Re: Yeeks ! DO Check Yer Phone Batteries !!! Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-09-13 15:04 +0000
Re: Yeeks ! DO Check Yer Phone Batteries !!! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-13 19:27 +0000
Re: Yeeks ! DO Check Yer Phone Batteries !!! The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-13 21:06 +0100
Re: Yeeks ! DO Check Yer Phone Batteries !!! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-13 21:51 -0400
Re: Yeeks ! DO Check Yer Phone Batteries !!! Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-09-14 15:28 +0000
Re: Yeeks ! DO Check Yer Phone Batteries !!! Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-11 00:17 +0100
Re: Yeeks ! DO Check Yer Phone Batteries !!! The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-11 00:30 +0100
Re: Yeeks ! DO Check Yer Phone Batteries !!! The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-10 11:55 +0100
Re: Yeeks ! DO Check Yer Phone Batteries !!! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-10 18:09 +0000
Re: Yeeks ! DO Check Yer Phone Batteries !!! The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-10 19:49 +0100
Re: Yeeks ! DO Check Yer Phone Batteries !!! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-11 03:11 +0000
Re: Yeeks ! DO Check Yer Phone Batteries !!! The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-11 10:51 +0100
Re: Yeeks ! DO Check Yer Phone Batteries !!! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-11 18:52 +0000
Re: Yeeks ! DO Check Yer Phone Batteries !!! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-12 02:23 -0400
Re: Yeeks ! DO Check Yer Phone Batteries !!! The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-12 11:30 +0100
Re: Yeeks ! DO Check Yer Phone Batteries !!! Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-09-12 17:06 +0100
Re: Yeeks ! DO Check Yer Phone Batteries !!! The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-12 17:50 +0100
Re: Yeeks ! DO Check Yer Phone Batteries !!! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-12 18:51 +0000
Re: Yeeks ! DO Check Yer Phone Batteries !!! The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-13 10:03 +0100
Re: Yeeks ! DO Check Yer Phone Batteries !!! Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-09-13 16:30 +0000
Re: Yeeks ! DO Check Yer Phone Batteries !!! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-12 23:49 -0400
Re: Yeeks ! DO Check Yer Phone Batteries !!! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-12 18:44 +0000
Re: Yeeks ! DO Check Yer Phone Batteries !!! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-12 02:00 -0400
Re: Yeeks ! DO Check Yer Phone Batteries !!! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-11 03:28 -0400
Re: Yeeks ! DO Check Yer Phone Batteries !!! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-11 01:54 -0400
Re: Yeeks ! DO Check Yer Phone Batteries !!! Woozy Song <suzyw0ng@outlook.com> - 2026-09-12 10:55 +0800
Re: Yeeks ! DO Check Yer Phone Batteries !!! Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-09-14 17:14 +0000
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-09-12 18:44 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <nglksjFvurU2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #91307 |
On Sat, 12 Sep 2026 11:30:38 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > On 11/09/2026 19:52, rbowman wrote: >> On Fri, 11 Sep 2026 10:51:05 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >> >>> I've got a teensy J330. >>> >>> Since I have this full size screen and KB for doing real stuff, its >>> perfectly fine >> >> That's a phone? All I see are development boards. > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samsung_Galaxy_J3_(2016) > > The J300 is its 'internal' name The A16 is probably the equivalent, bottom of the barrel phone that fills my needs perfectly. I'm not the target audience for Apple's $2000 foldable.
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2026-09-12 02:00 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <S4udneZTSspCdzn3nZ2dnZfqnPWdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #91271 |
On 9/11/26 05:51, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > On 11/09/2026 04:11, rbowman wrote: >> On Thu, 10 Sep 2026 19:49:27 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >> >>> On 10/09/2026 19:09, rbowman wrote: >>>> My Nokia phone's battery also swelled enough to split the case. The >>>> phone wasn't designed to be serviceable and the repair looked so >>>> painful I bought a new phone. It still starts up. >>> >>> I took mine in to The Dude and he said '£60 and come back tomorrow' >>> >>> Its now on its second screen and third battery. Got it in 2017 IIRC. >>> Have never found a reason to replace it. >> >> I went into Best Buy and they said £100 and take it with you. I liked the >> Nokia phone but EOL for updates was 2022. The Galaxy A16 will get updates >> until Nov. 2030. >> >> The A16 may have better something or other than the Nokia but nothing I >> really notice. The A16 with its case is a little fatter than the Nokia >> and >> doesn't fit as well into the slip pocket on my cargo pants. > > I've got a teensy J330. > > Since I have this full size screen and KB for doing real stuff, its > perfectly fine Hmm ... my phone people talked me into buying an APPLE A-16 iPad. HATE iPads but needed a way to get net access even if all my other stuff went down. Not especially cheap. DID find a clip-in mini keyboard for it however, BIG help. Have fat fingers NOT good for on-screen keys. Charge it up every once in awhile. Latest, my ancient land-line is dying. Discovered that it doesn't RING anymore - everything else still works but you don't know if there's a call. SOME excuses, MAYBE it will be fixed. The tech guy pushed some 'advanced' home phone system - price was MUCH better than my wires - we'll see. Suspect it's some kind of VOIP box that'll use my existing 5G router. They PROMISE I'll be able to keep the old phone number, which is kinda important. "Sam" The ATT guy - Bangalore fer sure ....... Oh GAWD it's hard to get a HUMAN for a weird technical issue these days on ATT - press one, press two, YOUR problem will NOT be in the list. Asked me for a PIN number for my ancient landline this time - no such thing, or at least it would not recognize the number I put in. SO much is SO fucked up these days !!! WE always LOSE and lose and lose ..... However, ATT, they MAY just fuck me horribly. The others ain't much better alas ...... Gawd, HOPE the thing connects over the wireless - do NOT wanna reset to .1.0 network while ALL my stuff is set to .0.0 !!! Some of my IP cams might require me to get on a LADDER - and at my age and condition that's NOT a good idea at ALL. Remember me asking about how to 'extend' a network to cover .0.0 and .1.0 ? Got in a heavy-ish (65 lbs) big package today, HAD a little hand-truck, ALMOST fell over twice trying to get it to where I wanted. What a drag it is getting old ..... remember leaping from rock to rock on mountainsides when I was young ............ Nokia ... love their little cheap flip. Have a spare. Regular push in SIM card instead of the screw-you "e-SIMs" they like now. Not the best phone, the keys get techy after awhile, screen WAY too small for most web uses, but SMALL, CHEAP, good for PHONE stuff and basic 2FA texts. Really DON'T wanna have to buy a more conventional 'smart(ass) phone' - not my generation. If forced - Android, not Apple. Android syncs with my brain a little better - a little more Win98-ish instead of weirdo 2/3-finger 'gestures' apparently everybody is suppose to Just Know. Ah .... you CAN get a version of Android that will install/run like a Linux - even on a VM. Alas on a computer, well, it's REALLY meant for phones, but you CAN fool around with it.
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2026-09-11 03:28 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <JS-dnfkOXqFaMD73nZ2dnZfqn_sAAAAA@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #91240 |
On 9/10/26 14:09, rbowman wrote: > On Thu, 10 Sep 2026 11:55:56 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > >> On 10/09/2026 05:33, c186282 wrote: >>> Today I went to charge-up a spare battery for my flip phone. Easiest to >>> do it by putting it in the phone and then charging. >>> >>> Finally got the case open - and saw the existing battery was physically >>> SWOLLEN ... ie kinda more likely to EXPLODE. >>> >>> No other SIGNS of this. So FAR it's performance seemed "OK". >>> >> I*ndeed, Swelling at first without overleoad is just accompanied by loss >> of capacity > > The Novatel MiFis say to unplug them when they're fully charged. Of course > nobody does so. The swollen batteries pop the back cover off so you see > many of them with rubber bands or tape holding them together. > > I kept a spare or two on hand to replace them when they became too > swollen. At first I was paranoid but nothing ever happened. Have a burn scar from when something DID happen. > My Nokia phone's battery also swelled enough to split the case. The phone > wasn't designed to be serviceable and the repair looked so painful I > bought a new phone. It still starts up. I have a nice Nokia flip ... however it's easy to get the back cover off. This is how I discovered the existing battery was looking evil. DID order a spare, 'just because', a few months back, so ...... Have a SECOND spare somewhere, accidentally bought TWO. Now I can't FIND the other one ! Looked everywhere.
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2026-09-11 01:54 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <S_mdneTM__xvCj73nZ2dnZfqn_qdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #91231 |
On 9/10/26 06:55, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > On 10/09/2026 05:33, c186282 wrote: >> Today I went to charge-up a spare battery for >> my flip phone. Easiest to do it by putting it >> in the phone and then charging. >> >> Finally got the case open - and saw the existing >> battery was physically SWOLLEN ... ie kinda more >> likely to EXPLODE. >> >> No other SIGNS of this. So FAR it's performance >> seemed "OK". >> > I*ndeed, Swelling at first without overleoad is just accompanied by loss > of capacity > > >> Now it's in my oven - 500+ degree safety - before >> I either bury it or toss it in my little pond. >> > If its out of use, and not on charge a swollen battery is pretty much > 100% safe. > It needs to get hot first to go pop. > > I've had several in a drawer for years...before I rook them to the > disposal place > > Don't you have battery disposal stations somewhere ? > > All batteries are pretty toxic and we are requested to put them in bins > at the local supermarket or similar. > >> Some of the newer 'idiot' phones you can hardly >> even get AT the battery - yet it MAY be in similarly >> dangerous condition. Keep it on your belt, in your >> pocket next to your cojones, on top of anything >> flammable ... BEWARE ! >> > Correct. Mine started tio split apart on a glue line, Fortunately we > have an excellent East European gent in a shop in town who sliced it > open stick a new battery in and gave it back > > That lasted 5 years until the phone started not booting and he put in > yet another one > >> We've all seen vids of what happens when lithium >> cells detonate. Had personal experience. Still >> have one little scar. >> > So have I, but I also have loads of experience of when they don't, if > kept sufficientllyl cool. The one that exploded for me WAS cool, not swollen - indeed hadn't even been charged for a good six months. Just lightly BRUSHED it and ...... LiPo batts are BOMBS in my opinion. >> Just some practical advice. >> >> We KEEP hearing of replacements for lithium >> batts, but rarely SEE anything. Half a dozen >> years ago there was supposed to be a 'solid >> electrode' version (by the guy who invented >> the batteries) but NEVER SAW ANY. Sodium cells >> may be the next best - and you CAN buy some, >> even seen them as 'car batteries' - but they >> have not penetrated the 'small device' market >> worth a damn. >> > LiFePo are safer and replaced many lithium apps, but they are heavier., > You cant replace lithium as the lightest possible metal with the highest > electropotential. It's in the basic physical chemistry of the things > >> Check Amazon, search "sodium battery automotive" >> and you'll get hits. Sodium is REAL - not bad - >> but I just have NOT seen them as replacement >> for exploding lithiums for small devices. There >> have been MANY MANY fires, injuries, deaths from >> exploding lithiums - but nobody will DO anything. >> > Sodium doesn't have the same energy density. Its better than lead, which > isn't very nice either Sodium batteries ain't so bad now. Check Amazon and you'll see them being sold as car starter batteries. I figure two or three more years, and adequate market demand, and they'll be equal to lithium. Saw something in a tech sheet a week or two ago indicating some new trick both increased capacity and cycle life. For pure safety, we SHOULD soon BAN rechargable lithium batts soon.
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| From | Woozy Song <suzyw0ng@outlook.com> |
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| Date | 2026-09-12 10:55 +0800 |
| Message-ID | <1182evu$3dq3t$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #91217 |
c186282 wrote: > Today I went to charge-up a spare battery for > my flip phone. Easiest to do it by putting it > in the phone and then charging. > > Finally got the case open - and saw the existing > battery was physically SWOLLEN ... ie kinda more > likely to EXPLODE. > > No other SIGNS of this. So FAR it's performance > seemed "OK". > > Now it's in my oven - 500+ degree safety - before > I either bury it or toss it in my little pond. > > Some of the newer 'idiot' phones you can hardly > even get AT the battery - yet it MAY be in similarly > dangerous condition. Keep it on your belt, in your > pocket next to your cojones, on top of anything > flammable ... BEWARE ! > Yes, the price of making them 'waterproof'. Typically requires a technician with heat gun and suitable tool to pry the cover off. My 'rugged' phone even worse - costs $149 to replace battery. It cost only $250 from old model clearance sale.
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| From | Rich <rich@example.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-09-14 17:14 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <1189a1j$1nq2r$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #91283 |
Woozy Song <suzyw0ng@outlook.com> wrote: > c186282 wrote: >> Today I went to charge-up a spare battery for >> my flip phone. Easiest to do it by putting it >> in the phone and then charging. >> >> Finally got the case open - and saw the existing >> battery was physically SWOLLEN ... ie kinda more >> likely to EXPLODE. >> >> No other SIGNS of this. So FAR it's performance >> seemed "OK". >> >> Now it's in my oven - 500+ degree safety - before >> I either bury it or toss it in my little pond. >> >> Some of the newer 'idiot' phones you can hardly >> even get AT the battery - yet it MAY be in similarly >> dangerous condition. Keep it on your belt, in your >> pocket next to your cojones, on top of anything >> flammable ... BEWARE ! >> > > Yes, the price of making them 'waterproof'. Well, no, not directly. It's the "price" of trying to make them waterproof in the most cheap way possible without regards to repair of any form. Of course "no repair possible" *also* keeps the sales treadmill running, so their vested interest is to intentionally make the device unrepairable.
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