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| Started by | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| First post | 2026-08-25 04:41 +0000 |
| Last post | 2026-08-29 00:19 -0400 |
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Ancient History rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-25 04:41 +0000
Re: Ancient History c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-25 03:15 -0400
Re: Ancient History John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-08-25 08:19 -0700
Re: Ancient History The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-25 19:57 +0100
Re: Ancient History c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-26 04:25 -0400
Re: Ancient History The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-26 09:33 +0100
Re: Ancient History rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-26 18:20 +0000
Re: Ancient History The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-26 21:27 +0100
Re: Ancient History rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-27 01:13 +0000
Re: Ancient History c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-27 03:24 -0400
Re: Ancient History rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-27 20:03 +0000
Re: Ancient History c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-27 23:47 -0400
Re: Ancient History rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-28 06:54 +0000
Re: Ancient History John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-08-28 09:28 -0700
Re: Ancient History Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-28 18:53 +0100
Re: Ancient History rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-28 20:58 +0000
Re: Ancient History John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-08-28 14:49 -0700
Re: Ancient History rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-29 05:41 +0000
Re: Ancient History c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-29 02:00 -0400
Re: Ancient History The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-29 10:00 +0100
Re: Ancient History The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-29 09:57 +0100
Re: Ancient History The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-28 12:11 +0100
Re: Ancient History "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-25 11:41 +0200
Re: Ancient History Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-25 11:53 +0100
Re: Ancient History The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-25 12:54 +0100
Re: Ancient History rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-25 19:25 +0000
Re: Ancient History "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-25 14:23 +0200
Re: Ancient History c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-26 03:28 -0400
Re: Ancient History The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-26 09:12 +0100
Re: Ancient History rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-26 18:26 +0000
Re: Ancient History c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-27 03:56 -0400
Re: Ancient History The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-27 12:00 +0100
Re: Ancient History rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-27 20:25 +0000
Re: Ancient History Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-27 21:48 +0000
Re: Ancient History c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-28 00:26 -0400
Re: Ancient History rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-28 06:59 +0000
Re: Ancient History The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-28 12:05 +0100
Re: Ancient History rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-28 21:02 +0000
Re: Ancient History The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-29 10:03 +0100
Re: Ancient History The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-28 12:03 +0100
Re: Ancient History c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-28 00:06 -0400
Re: Ancient History The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-28 12:08 +0100
Re: Ancient History The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-28 12:03 +0100
Re: Ancient History Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-08-28 12:07 -0400
Re: Ancient History rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-28 21:00 +0000
Re: Ancient History c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-29 02:22 -0400
Re: Ancient History The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-29 10:01 +0100
Re: Ancient History rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-26 18:23 +0000
Re: Ancient History The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-26 21:29 +0100
Re: Ancient History The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-25 12:31 +0100
Re: Ancient History Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-08-25 07:53 -0400
Re: Ancient History Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-25 18:26 +0000
Re: Ancient History rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-25 19:37 +0000
Re: Ancient History rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-25 19:16 +0000
Re: Ancient History The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-25 20:21 +0100
Re: Ancient History rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-26 04:40 +0000
Re: Ancient History The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-25 12:30 +0100
Re: Ancient History c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-26 02:49 -0400
Re: Ancient History "Mr. Chang Man-wai" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2026-08-25 20:07 +0800
Re: Ancient History Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-08-25 11:20 -0400
Re: Ancient History Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2026-08-25 17:44 +0000
Re: Ancient History Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-25 21:55 +0000
Re: Ancient History not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2026-08-27 08:59 +1000
Re: Ancient History rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-27 01:20 +0000
Re: Ancient History c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-27 03:38 -0400
Re: Ancient History vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> - 2026-08-27 08:08 +0000
Re: Ancient History c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-27 22:13 -0400
Re: Ancient History rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-28 04:24 +0000
Re: Ancient History c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-27 03:21 -0400
Re: Ancient History not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2026-08-28 08:58 +1000
Re: Ancient History c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-28 00:36 -0400
Re: Ancient History rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-28 04:42 +0000
Re: Ancient History c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-28 02:37 -0400
Re: Ancient History not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2026-08-29 07:40 +1000
Re: Ancient History c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-29 02:03 -0400
Re: Ancient History The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-29 10:06 +0100
Re: Ancient History Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-08-28 08:59 +0100
Re: Ancient History c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-29 00:19 -0400
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2026-08-28 00:06 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <wxednYs-UqrSlAz3nZ2dnZfqnPqdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #90696 |
On 8/27/26 16:25, rbowman wrote: > On Thu, 27 Aug 2026 03:56:11 -0400, c186282 wrote: > >> Um ... try to be very sparse with the 'suppliments' >> for a number of practical and theoretical reasons. JUST enough to >> make up for my mostly keto diet. > > I probably could drop some of the ones I take but they're not any of the > expensive ones and *might* have some benefit. About the only one I would > suggest is tumeric with piperine (black pepper). I've found it works > better than glucosamine. Never tried tumeric. I keep hearing good and bad stuff about it. > I tried fairly strict keto for a while. I don't obsess over it any more > but I'm basically a carnivore. I can deal with Kennedy's pyramid although > he's a little more into fruit. My granny was set against "rabbit food" - an lived well to 99. I seem to have inherited her tastes. Well, almost - most everything she ate was BOILED meat and taters, northern Euro/Scandi style. Kinda yuk ! Maybe once a year she'd throw in a little cabbage. > Technically I get my daily fruit. Breakfast usually is a couple of cloves > of garlic, one jalapeno, one tomato, one small onion or half of a larger > one, two eggs, and a slice of cheese sauteed in olive oil. > > I'll count the pepper and tomato as my vegetable too. To paraphrase the > signs I've seen on some local businesses 'Kale has no home here.' I've > tried. Honestly I've tried. It has to be the only thing in the world you > can fry up with plenty of bacon and garlic and it still isn't fit to eat. Veggie freaks can be, well, freaks. The WORSE it is the MORE they think they're getting benefit or being High Holy. Sorry, the critters will happily eat US - so I don't mind returning the sentiment :-) The reality of life on this planet can be MEAN. We are not musical cosmic energy-absorbing crystal philosopher lifeforms around some black-hole sun. Anyway, due to lack of veggies, I know I'm not getting enough folic acid or 'C' and a couple other little things. Those are the pills I buy. Often split 'em - the idea is Just Enough. Eat some, but not much, beef - so gotta throw in a B-12 once or twice a week. Anyway, the approach dropped me from 220 lbs to 155 over about a year. Gained back about 15 over time but still MUCH better than my max-carb days. DO miss the chocolate and Cokes and chips though, but I'd have been living on the insulin needle otherwise.
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-08-28 12:08 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <116rq7m$28guo$6@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #90721 |
On 28/08/2026 05:06, c186282 wrote: > On 8/27/26 16:25, rbowman wrote: >> On Thu, 27 Aug 2026 03:56:11 -0400, c186282 wrote: >> >>> Um ... try to be very sparse with the 'suppliments' >>> for a number of practical and theoretical reasons. JUST enough to >>> make up for my mostly keto diet. >> >> I probably could drop some of the ones I take but they're not any of the >> expensive ones and *might* have some benefit. About the only one I would >> suggest is tumeric with piperine (black pepper). I've found it works >> better than glucosamine. > > Never tried tumeric. I keep hearing good and bad > stuff about it. > >> I tried fairly strict keto for a while. I don't obsess over it any more >> but I'm basically a carnivore. I can deal with Kennedy's pyramid although >> he's a little more into fruit. > > My granny was set against "rabbit food" - an lived > well to 99. I seem to have inherited her tastes. > Well, almost - most everything she ate was BOILED > meat and taters, northern Euro/Scandi style. > Kinda yuk ! Maybe once a year she'd throw in > a little cabbage. > >> Technically I get my daily fruit. Breakfast usually is a couple of cloves >> of garlic, one jalapeno, one tomato, one small onion or half of a larger >> one, two eggs, and a slice of cheese sauteed in olive oil. >> >> I'll count the pepper and tomato as my vegetable too. To paraphrase the >> signs I've seen on some local businesses 'Kale has no home here.' I've >> tried. Honestly I've tried. It has to be the only thing in the world you >> can fry up with plenty of bacon and garlic and it still isn't fit to eat. > > Veggie freaks can be, well, freaks. The WORSE it is > the MORE they think they're getting benefit or being > High Holy. > > Sorry, the critters will happily eat US - so I don't > mind returning the sentiment :-) > > The reality of life on this planet can be MEAN. We > are not musical cosmic energy-absorbing crystal > philosopher lifeforms around some black-hole sun. > > Anyway, due to lack of veggies, I know I'm not getting > enough folic acid or 'C' and a couple other little things. > Those are the pills I buy. Often split 'em - the idea is > Just Enough. Eat some, but not much, beef - so gotta throw > in a B-12 once or twice a week. Anyway, the approach dropped > me from 220 lbs to 155 over about a year. Gained back about > 15 over time but still MUCH better than my max-carb days. > DO miss the chocolate and Cokes and chips though, but I'd > have been living on the insulin needle otherwise. > More likely metformin. A really nasty drug -- To ban Christmas, simply give turkeys the vote.
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-08-28 12:03 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <116rpu1$28guo$3@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #90696 |
On 27/08/2026 21:25, rbowman wrote: > 'Kale has no home here.' I've > tried. Honestly I've tried. It has to be the only thing in the world you > can fry up with plenty of bacon and garlic and it still isn't fit to eat. <FX> applause </FX> The key is to cut out carbs, There simply are no 'healthy' carbs. Bread is the absolute worst. meat/fish/fruit. -- Climate Change: Socialism wearing a lab coat.
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| From | Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> |
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| Date | 2026-08-28 12:07 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <116sbna$2gbu2$3@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #90740 |
The Natural Philosopher wrote this screed in ALL-CAPS (fixed): > On 27/08/2026 21:25, rbowman wrote: >> 'Kale has no home here.' I've >> tried. Honestly I've tried. It has to be the only thing in the world you >> can fry up with plenty of bacon and garlic and it still isn't fit to eat. > <FX> applause </FX> > > The key is to cut out carbs, There simply are no 'healthy' carbs. Bread > is the absolute worst. Unfortunately, beer has carbs (at least the beers that are drinkable). > meat/fish/fruit. But beware of Trump's mystery meat :-D $ aiksaurus meat === vittles ================== board, bread, cheer, comestibles, creature comfort, cuisine, daily bread, fast food, feast, health food, ingesta, meat, provender, provision, spread, sustenance, table, tucker, viands, victuals, vittles -- The only thing better than love is milk.
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-08-28 21:00 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <nfeb7dFprcuU45@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #90768 |
On Fri, 28 Aug 2026 12:07:06 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom wrote: > The Natural Philosopher wrote this screed in ALL-CAPS (fixed): > >> On 27/08/2026 21:25, rbowman wrote: >>> 'Kale has no home here.' I've tried. Honestly I've tried. It has to be >>> the only thing in the world you can fry up with plenty of bacon and >>> garlic and it still isn't fit to eat. >> <FX> applause </FX> >> >> The key is to cut out carbs, There simply are no 'healthy' carbs. Bread >> is the absolute worst. > > Unfortunately, beer has carbs (at least the beers that are drinkable). I cut beer out back in the '70s. The world may be a better place for it.
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2026-08-29 02:22 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <xcGcnVmbb91l5w_3nZ2dnZfqnPUAAAAA@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #90783 |
On 8/28/26 17:00, rbowman wrote: > On Fri, 28 Aug 2026 12:07:06 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom wrote: > >> The Natural Philosopher wrote this screed in ALL-CAPS (fixed): >> >>> On 27/08/2026 21:25, rbowman wrote: >>>> 'Kale has no home here.' I've tried. Honestly I've tried. It has to be >>>> the only thing in the world you can fry up with plenty of bacon and >>>> garlic and it still isn't fit to eat. >>> <FX> applause </FX> >>> >>> The key is to cut out carbs, There simply are no 'healthy' carbs. Bread >>> is the absolute worst. >> >> Unfortunately, beer has carbs (at least the beers that are drinkable). > > I cut beer out back in the '70s. The world may be a better place for it. Nah, not really ... I kinda encourage beer or equivs to mess-up govt propaganda lines. However YOU may be better off, depending.
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-08-29 10:01 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <116u764$3345j$3@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #90783 |
On 28/08/2026 22:00, rbowman wrote:
> On Fri, 28 Aug 2026 12:07:06 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>
>> The Natural Philosopher wrote this screed in ALL-CAPS (fixed):
>>
>>> On 27/08/2026 21:25, rbowman wrote:
>>>> 'Kale has no home here.' I've tried. Honestly I've tried. It has to be
>>>> the only thing in the world you can fry up with plenty of bacon and
>>>> garlic and it still isn't fit to eat.
>>> <FX> applause </FX>
>>>
>>> The key is to cut out carbs, There simply are no 'healthy' carbs. Bread
>>> is the absolute worst.
>>
>> Unfortunately, beer has carbs (at least the beers that are drinkable).
>
> I cut beer out back in the '70s. The world may be a better place for it.
Beer and wine are now special treats. I don't drink every night,m but I
generally drink once a week. And pay the price in mental sogginess the
next day. Liver and kidneys are not what they were
--
"The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow witted
man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest
thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly
persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of doubt, what is laid
before him."
- Leo Tolstoy
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-08-26 18:23 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <nf8p9qFprcuU9@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #90601 |
On Wed, 26 Aug 2026 03:28:20 -0400, c186282 wrote: > Amazing how Win95/98 WOULD work with WAY too little RAM. Just, well, > kinda SLOW. Up to 16 MB Win95 would set up a swap file. 48 MB wasn't bad. iirc early Linux was also big on swapping stuff out. I think you can still push Mint on 4 GB hard enough it will start shedding programs.
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-08-26 21:29 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <116nibd$uguk$3@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #90646 |
On 26/08/2026 19:23, rbowman wrote: > On Wed, 26 Aug 2026 03:28:20 -0400, c186282 wrote: > >> Amazing how Win95/98 WOULD work with WAY too little RAM. Just, well, >> kinda SLOW. > > Up to 16 MB Win95 would set up a swap file. 48 MB wasn't bad. iirc early > Linux was also big on swapping stuff out. I think you can still push Mint > on 4 GB hard enough it will start shedding programs. Yes. Tho mine tends to just crash. After its been 'laptop downed' -- Gun Control: The law that ensures that only criminals have guns.
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-08-25 12:31 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <116juf0$3l7js$16@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #90507 |
On 25/08/2026 10:41, Carlos E.R. wrote: > > Back then, my machine that would happily run Win 98 had trouble running > SuSE Linux. Linux wanted as much ram as possible. > Yep. My VM XP runs in 3GB Ram But the old 98 was a fair bit less than that -- "Socialist governments traditionally do make a financial mess. They always run out of other people's money. It's quite a characteristic of them" Margaret Thatcher
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| From | Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> |
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| Date | 2026-08-25 07:53 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <116jvok$3mmtq$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #90526 |
The Natural Philosopher wrote this screed in ALL-CAPS (fixed): > On 25/08/2026 10:41, Carlos E.R. wrote: > >> >> Back then, my machine that would happily run Win 98 had trouble running >> SuSE Linux. Linux wanted as much ram as possible. >> > Yep. My VM XP runs in 3GB Ram But the old 98 was a fair bit less than that So do Republican governments, based on past and present history: > -- > "Socialist governments traditionally do make a financial mess. They > always run out of other people's money. It's quite a characteristic of them" > > Margaret Thatcher -- "Success covers a multitude of blunders." -- George Bernard Shaw
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| From | Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-08-25 18:26 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <I7ljS.2$UGU.1@fx46.iad> |
| In reply to | #90526 |
On 2026-08-25, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote: > On 25/08/2026 10:41, Carlos E.R. wrote: > >> Back then, my machine that would happily run Win 98 had trouble running >> SuSE Linux. Linux wanted as much ram as possible. > > Yep. My VM XP runs in 3GB Ram But the old 98 was a fair bit less than that My XP VM runs in 512MB. Mind you, I don't run big programs... My first Linux box had 48MB of RAM and a 1.3GB hard drive. I loaded Slackware 3.5 onto it, later upgrading to Slack 7. I was able to run X (with fvwm), and under Wine I managed to run a couple of my Windows programs that talked to each other. -- /~\ Charlie Gibbs | In this world there are \ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | two kinds of people: X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | 1. Those who can extrapolate / \ if you read it the right way. | from incomplete data.
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-08-25 19:37 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <nf6982F5rktU54@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #90550 |
On Tue, 25 Aug 2026 18:26:48 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > My first Linux box had 48MB of RAM and a 1.3GB hard drive. > I loaded Slackware 3.5 onto it, later upgrading to Slack 7. > I was able to run X (with fvwm), and under Wine I managed to run a > couple of my Windows programs that talked to each other. My first distro was Slackware, downloaded from the ftp site in floppy sized chunks. A lot of chunks. If there is anything on the old Compaq that must be it. The CD is gone but Red Hat Linux 5.1 from 1998 says it will run in 8 MB.
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-08-25 19:16 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <nf67viF5rktU52@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #90507 |
On Tue, 25 Aug 2026 11:41:14 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote: > Back then, my machine that would happily run Win 98 had trouble running > SuSE Linux. Linux wanted as much ram as possible. I have the boxed set of SuSE 8.1 from 2002. I'll have to check the system requirements but I doubt 48 MB is in the cards.
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-08-25 20:21 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <116kq0a$6rh$6@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #90562 |
On 25/08/2026 20:16, rbowman wrote: > On Tue, 25 Aug 2026 11:41:14 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote: > >> Back then, my machine that would happily run Win 98 had trouble running >> SuSE Linux. Linux wanted as much ram as possible. > > I have the boxed set of SuSE 8.1 from 2002. I'll have to check the system > requirements but I doubt 48 MB is in the cards. "A default graphical installation of SuSE Linux 8.1 (released in 2002) requires a minimum of 2 GB of free hard disk space and at least 96 MB to 128 MB of RAM for comfortable desktop use. " Works OK as a server -- You can get much farther with a kind word and a gun than you can with a kind word alone. Al Capone
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-08-26 04:40 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <nf791iFj154U5@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #90564 |
On Tue, 25 Aug 2026 20:21:46 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > "A default graphical installation of SuSE Linux 8.1 (released in 2002) > requires a minimum of 2 GB of free hard disk space and at least 96 MB to > 128 MB of RAM for comfortable desktop use. " Inflation was well underway. It's been a minute or two since I used it but I don't remember Win95 being all that bad in a box with 48 MB. However I was moving up from Windows 3.11 on a Compaq Concerto with 4 MB of RAM and a 33 MHz processor. I was fortunate enough not to get involved with Windows 1.0 or 2.0. I never felt deprived until Java introduced Swing instead of AWT. Let the enshitification begin. I lost interest when the answer to the sloth like performance in the Java forums was 'You need a better computer.'
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-08-25 12:30 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <116juck$3l7js$15@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #90485 |
On 25/08/2026 05:41, rbowman wrote: > In my OCD quest to rejuvenate old machines I finally dug out the tower > buried under other junk out in the shed. Turns out it's a Compaq Presario > 4550. It has a 233 MHz AMD K6 that was AMDs challenge to the Pentium II. > It was pin compatible and could be used in a Socket 7 board. It has 48 MB > of RAM (no, that's not a typo) and a 4 GB HDD. For your computing > convenient, it has a 56K modem. There are 2 USB ports although I think it > expects the mouse and keyboard to be plugged into the PS2 ports. > > Two distros that claim to run in 48 MB are Tiny Core and Slax. slax > specifies text only unless you have more RAM. Tiny Core isn't very > specific. > > I think I'll let that sleeping dog slumber on although I might see if it > boots at all. > > Now for the real puzzle. I was a fairly decent machine in 1997 and came > with Windows 95. Windows 95 claimed a minimum of 4 MB, recommended 8 MB, > and if you had 16 MB or more didn't bother creating a swap file. What the > flaming hell has happened to us? Even by Windows 98 24 MB was > recommended. Now you can barely run a pared down Linux in 48 MB and I > doubt it's a very appealing UX. > We used to run SCO Unix headless on machines just like that. That had a TCP stack available. Eventually Linux was just 'better'. You probably want a very old distro to install on it -- "Nature does not give up the winter because people dislike the cold." ― Confucius
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2026-08-26 02:49 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <ZfqcnXNt_dQrERP3nZ2dnZfqnPWdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #90525 |
On 8/25/26 07:30, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > On 25/08/2026 05:41, rbowman wrote: >> In my OCD quest to rejuvenate old machines I finally dug out the tower >> buried under other junk out in the shed. Turns out it's a Compaq Presario >> 4550. It has a 233 MHz AMD K6 that was AMDs challenge to the Pentium II. >> It was pin compatible and could be used in a Socket 7 board. It has 48 MB >> of RAM (no, that's not a typo) and a 4 GB HDD. For your computing >> convenient, it has a 56K modem. There are 2 USB ports although I think it >> expects the mouse and keyboard to be plugged into the PS2 ports. >> >> Two distros that claim to run in 48 MB are Tiny Core and Slax. slax >> specifies text only unless you have more RAM. Tiny Core isn't very >> specific. >> >> I think I'll let that sleeping dog slumber on although I might see if it >> boots at all. >> >> Now for the real puzzle. I was a fairly decent machine in 1997 and came >> with Windows 95. Windows 95 claimed a minimum of 4 MB, recommended 8 MB, >> and if you had 16 MB or more didn't bother creating a swap file. What the >> flaming hell has happened to us? Even by Windows 98 24 MB was >> recommended. Now you can barely run a pared down Linux in 48 MB and I >> doubt it's a very appealing UX. >> > We used to run SCO Unix headless on machines just like that. That had a > TCP stack available. > > Eventually Linux was just 'better'. DID have some experience with SCO ... my boss was interested as a better alt to DOS. We bought ONE copy - and it wasn't that cheap. Saw some good in it - but it just wasn't what the org needed at the time. When Linux came along however ... > You probably want a very old distro to install on it VERY old. NOT likely to recognize ANY of your devices. Won't even be a USB driver for an external floppy, maybe not even a USB anything. Sometimes we forget how basic/crude things were Back In The Day - not THAT long ago.
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| From | "Mr. Chang Man-wai" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2026-08-25 20:07 +0800 |
| Message-ID | <116k0hd$3n4sc$1@toylet.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #90485 |
On 8/25/2026 12:41 PM, rbowman wrote:
> In my OCD quest to rejuvenate old machines I finally dug out the tower
> buried under other junk out in the shed. Turns out it's a Compaq Presario
> 4550. It has a 233 MHz AMD K6 that was AMDs challenge to the Pentium II.
> It was pin compatible and could be used in a Socket 7 board. It has 48 MB
> of RAM (no, that's not a typo) and a 4 GB HDD. For your computing
> convenient, it has a 56K modem. There are 2 USB ports although I think it
> expects the mouse and keyboard to be plugged into the PS2 ports.
HTTPS requires a lot of calculations. So
are many encrypted software updates including
Windows Update. And modern YouTube is high-
definition (720p and 1080p) and using high
refresh rates.
If you could find text-only HTTP (not HTTPS)
websites.... :)
--
@~@ Simplicity is Beauty! Remain silent! Drink, Blink, Stretch!
/ v \ May the Force and farces be with you! Live long and prosper!!
/( _ )\ https://sites.google.com/site/changmw/
^ ^ https://github.com/changmw/changmw
The game is afoot... Meow...
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| From | Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-08-25 11:20 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <116kbr5$3radh$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #90485 |
On Tue, 8/25/2026 12:41 AM, rbowman wrote:
> In my OCD quest to rejuvenate old machines I finally dug out the tower
> buried under other junk out in the shed. Turns out it's a Compaq Presario
> 4550. It has a 233 MHz AMD K6 that was AMDs challenge to the Pentium II.
> It was pin compatible and could be used in a Socket 7 board. It has 48 MB
> of RAM (no, that's not a typo) and a 4 GB HDD. For your computing
> convenient, it has a 56K modem. There are 2 USB ports although I think it
> expects the mouse and keyboard to be plugged into the PS2 ports.
>
> Two distros that claim to run in 48 MB are Tiny Core and Slax. slax
> specifies text only unless you have more RAM. Tiny Core isn't very
> specific.
>
> I think I'll let that sleeping dog slumber on although I might see if it
> boots at all.
>
> Now for the real puzzle. I was a fairly decent machine in 1997 and came
> with Windows 95. Windows 95 claimed a minimum of 4 MB, recommended 8 MB,
> and if you had 16 MB or more didn't bother creating a swap file. What the
> flaming hell has happened to us? Even by Windows 98 24 MB was
> recommended. Now you can barely run a pared down Linux in 48 MB and I
> doubt it's a very appealing UX.
>
https://www.vogons.org/viewtopic.php?t=50935
"I find working through all the "trouble" to be more rewarding than the result."
A lot of software you could run on such a machine, would have an "SSE2 requirement",
so you may have to stick with software from the era.
At one time, packed data structures were "quite popular". Today, you can have
an individual write an image utility, where instead of using 24 bits for
a pixel, "each color is represented by a 64 bit number" or "we're using a floating
point number for R, for G, and for B". Proud claims of piggish design :-)
The reason I note this, is one day, I attempted to open an image,
sure, the image was a large one, the machine returns "out of RAM".
And that's when I started checking for what exactly they were
doing inside. You do an eye roll. You're yelling "why would you do this?".
And so on :-)
Paul
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