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  US Govt Warns About Siemens S7 PLA - Iran Can Hack 'Em c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-19 22:33 -0400
    Re: US Govt Warns About Siemens S7 PLA - Iran Can Hack 'Em Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-20 09:04 +0100
      Re: US Govt Warns About Siemens S7 PLA - Iran Can Hack 'Em c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-20 12:45 -0400
        Re: US Govt Warns About Siemens S7 PLA - Iran Can Hack 'Em "Mr. Chang Man-wai" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2026-08-21 22:38 +0800
      Re: US Govt Warns About Siemens S7 PLA - Iran Can Hack 'Em "Mr. Chang Man-wai" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2026-08-21 22:37 +0800
    Re: US Govt Warns About Siemens S7 PLA - Iran Can Hack 'Em Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2026-08-21 13:24 +0000
      Re: US Govt Warns About Siemens S7 PLA - Iran Can Hack 'Em The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-21 14:40 +0100
        Re: US Govt Warns About Siemens S7 PLA - Iran Can Hack 'Em "Mr. Chang Man-wai" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2026-08-21 22:33 +0800
        Re: US Govt Warns About Siemens S7 PLA - Iran Can Hack 'Em Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2026-08-21 23:49 +0000
          Re: US Govt Warns About Siemens S7 PLA - Iran Can Hack 'Em The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-22 13:22 +0100
            Re: US Govt Warns About Siemens S7 PLA - Iran Can Hack 'Em rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-22 18:47 +0000
            Re: US Govt Warns About Siemens S7 PLA - Iran Can Hack 'Em c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-23 02:24 -0400
              Re: US Govt Warns About Siemens S7 PLA - Iran Can Hack 'Em The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-23 12:29 +0100
        Re: US Govt Warns About Siemens S7 PLA - Iran Can Hack 'Em c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-21 23:11 -0400
      Re: US Govt Warns About Siemens S7 PLA - Iran Can Hack 'Em "Mr. Chang Man-wai" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2026-08-21 22:31 +0800
        Re: US Govt Warns About Siemens S7 PLA - Iran Can Hack 'Em Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-21 23:47 +0100
          Re: US Govt Warns .... videos vs words? waste of time? "Mr. Chang Man-wai" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2026-08-23 23:05 +0800
            Re: US Govt Warns .... videos vs words? waste of time? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-23 22:10 +0200
              Re: US Govt Warns .... videos vs words? waste of time? Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-23 23:46 +0100
                Re: US Govt Warns .... videos vs words? waste of time? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-24 09:31 +0200
                  Re: US Govt Warns .... videos vs words? waste of time? Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-24 11:12 +0100
                    Re: US Govt Warns .... videos vs words? waste of time? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-24 19:29 +0000
      Re: US Govt Warns About Siemens S7 PLA - Iran Can Hack 'Em c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-21 23:08 -0400
      Re: US Govt Warns About Siemens S7 PLA - Iran Can Hack 'Em Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-22 04:17 +0000
        Re: US Govt Warns About Siemens S7 PLA - Iran Can Hack 'Em c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-22 00:57 -0400
        Re: US Govt Warns About Siemens S7 PLA - Iran Can Hack 'Em Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2026-08-22 15:10 +0000
          Re: US Govt Warns About Siemens S7 PLA - Iran Can Hack 'Em The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-22 16:32 +0100
            Re: US Govt Warns About Siemens S7 PLA - Iran Can Hack 'Em rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-22 18:40 +0000
              Re: US Govt Warns About Siemens S7 PLA - Iran Can Hack 'Em The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-22 23:17 +0100
                Re: US Govt Warns About Siemens S7 PLA - Iran Can Hack 'Em rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-23 00:23 +0000
                  Re: US Govt Warns About Siemens S7 PLA - Iran Can Hack 'Em The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-23 12:19 +0100
                    Re: US Govt Warns About Siemens S7 PLA - Iran Can Hack 'Em rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-23 18:24 +0000
                      Re: US Govt Warns About Siemens S7 PLA - Iran Can Hack 'Em The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-23 19:57 +0100
                        Re: US Govt Warns About Siemens S7 PLA - Iran Can Hack 'Em c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-24 01:56 -0400
                          Re: US Govt Warns About Siemens S7 PLA - Iran Can Hack 'Em rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-24 06:40 +0000
                            Re: US Govt Warns About Siemens S7 PLA - Iran Can Hack 'Em c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-24 23:25 -0400
                              Re: US Govt Warns About Siemens S7 PLA - Iran Can Hack 'Em rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-25 03:59 +0000
                          Re: US Govt Warns About Siemens S7 PLA - Iran Can Hack 'Em "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-24 09:33 +0200
                            Re: US Govt Warns About Siemens S7 PLA - Iran Can Hack 'Em The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-24 11:21 +0100
                              Re: US Govt Warns About Siemens S7 PLA - Iran Can Hack 'Em rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-24 20:51 +0000
                                Re: US Govt Warns About Siemens S7 PLA - Iran Can Hack 'Em The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-25 12:03 +0100
                              Re: US Govt Warns About Siemens S7 PLA - Iran Can Hack 'Em c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-25 01:49 -0400
                                Re: US Govt Warns About Siemens S7 PLA - Iran Can Hack 'Em The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-25 12:10 +0100
                            Re: US Govt Warns About Siemens S7 PLA - Iran Can Hack 'Em c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-25 00:37 -0400
                              Re: US Govt Warns About Siemens S7 PLA - Iran Can Hack 'Em The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-25 12:06 +0100
                          Re: US Govt Warns About Siemens S7 PLA - Iran Can Hack 'Em Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-24 16:25 +0000
                            Re: US Govt Warns About Siemens S7 PLA - Iran Can Hack 'Em The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-24 19:46 +0100
                              Re: US Govt Warns About Siemens S7 PLA - Iran Can Hack 'Em rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-24 20:45 +0000
                            Re: US Govt Warns About Siemens S7 PLA - Iran Can Hack 'Em c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-25 02:32 -0400
                          Re: US Govt Warns About Siemens S7 PLA - Iran Can Hack 'Em Jim Jackson <jj@franjam.org.uk> - 2026-08-24 18:36 +0000
                            Re: US Govt Warns About Siemens S7 PLA - Iran Can Hack 'Em The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-24 19:58 +0100
                              Re: US Govt Warns About Siemens S7 PLA - Iran Can Hack 'Em rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-24 20:31 +0000
                                Re: US Govt Warns About Siemens S7 PLA - Iran Can Hack 'Em The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-25 11:57 +0100
                                  Re: US Govt Warns About Siemens S7 PLA - Iran Can Hack 'Em rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-25 18:45 +0000
                                    Re: US Govt Warns About Siemens S7 PLA - Iran Can Hack 'Em The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-25 20:16 +0100
                            Re: US Govt Warns About Siemens S7 PLA - Iran Can Hack 'Em rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-24 20:21 +0000

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#90516

On 24/08/2026 21:51, rbowman wrote:
> On Mon, 24 Aug 2026 11:21:10 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> 
>> On 24/08/2026 08:33, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>> Then comes Trump and tries to remove the broadcast license of a
>>> network, or he calls stupid to a journalist because he doesn't like her
>>> questions.
>>
>> Trump is simply staggering in how unutterably *crap* he is. Only the
>> total idiocy of the Democrats and Librals allowed him to get elected.
>>
>> America needs to pull its socks up and start taking politics seriously.
>> Its not a football game.
> 
> It won't be easy. Jeremiahs have been accurately prophesying the future of
> the US as long as I've been alive. Nobody listened, not here and not in
> the UK.
> 
>   
Churchill said of America that it can 'always be relied upon to do the 
right thing - after exhausting every other alternative'.

I think this is a universal truth. Obama Biden and Trump are the price 
we have had to pay to let this process play out.

Its no different in the UK. Except we have four, maybe five potentially 
viable parties.
]
-- 
In a Time of Universal Deceit, Telling the Truth Is a Revolutionary Act.

- George Orwell

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#90488

On 8/24/26 06:21, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 24/08/2026 08:33, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>> Then comes Trump and tries to remove the broadcast license of a 
>> network, or he calls stupid to a journalist because he doesn't like 
>> her questions.
> 
> Trump is simply staggering in how unutterably *crap* he is. Only the 
> total idiocy of the Democrats and Librals allowed him to get elected.
> 
> America needs to pull its socks up and start taking politics seriously. 
> Its not a football game.

   Gee ... what MAJOR "TDS" !

   Wondering ... SUCH an investment in Trump ...
   what happens in a couple years when he's
   out of the race ? The whole massive TDS
   equation just COLLAPSES. The cult of anti-Trump
   cannot survive WITHOUT Trump.

   Should be fun.

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#90518

On 25/08/2026 06:49, c186282 wrote:
> On 8/24/26 06:21, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>> On 24/08/2026 08:33, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>> Then comes Trump and tries to remove the broadcast license of a 
>>> network, or he calls stupid to a journalist because he doesn't like 
>>> her questions.
>>
>> Trump is simply staggering in how unutterably *crap* he is. Only the 
>> total idiocy of the Democrats and Librals allowed him to get elected.
>>
>> America needs to pull its socks up and start taking politics 
>> seriously. Its not a football game.
> 
>    Gee ... what MAJOR "TDS" !
> 
Not reaqlly. Using the techniques of the Left does not become you

"TDS"
"Climate denial"
"Critical race theory."

All the same shit as techniques. on;y the issues vary.

All dreamed up by anti-americxan interests

>    Wondering ... SUCH an investment in Trump ...
>    what happens in a couple years when he's
>    out of the race ? The whole massive TDS
>    equation just COLLAPSES. The cult of anti-Trump
>    cannot survive WITHOUT Trump.
> 
All heave a sigh of relief and turn to tackle the next Wanker In The 
White House


>    Should be fun.
> 

-- 
The theory of Communism may be summed up in one sentence: Abolish all 
private property.

Karl Marx

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#90483

On 8/24/26 03:33, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> On 2026-08-24 07:56, c186282 wrote:
>> On 8/23/26 14:57, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>> On 23/08/2026 19:24, rbowman wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 23 Aug 2026 12:19:48 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> With hindsight I think McCarthy was a lot more right than we gave him
>>>>> credit for
>>>>
>>>> He and others of the Red Scare era were shortsighted. They
>>>> focused on the CPUSA which did march to the Comintern drummer.
>>>> They missed the emigres from the Frankfurt school that had fled
>>>> Germany. In the late '50s and '60s it was Marcuse, Horkheimer,
>>>> Benjamin, Fromm and their ilk that were being read and discussed
>>>> by the New Left, not the musty Stalinism. The New School for
>>>> Social Research became the hub for the refugees.
>>> +1
>>
>>    Tailgunner Joe WAS on to something. However, after
>>    some success, he apparently became a serious alcoholic
>>    and it kinda rotted his brain. He began to make
>>    accusations against people he shouldn't have and thus
>>    got pushed to the curb. Alas his later excesses led
>>    to considerable/excessive push-back/undoing later on.
>>
>>    Also, USA - not so sure about UK/Euro - has pretty
>>    serious protections against persecuting people JUST
>>    because of their political beliefs. More than "belief"
>>    is required - some kind of active aggressive PLOT has
>>    to be proven. Even in the mid 1950s you WERE allowed
>>    to be a "Card-Carrying Communist". Still are.
> 
> Then comes Trump and tries to remove the broadcast license 
> of a network, or he calls stupid to a journalist because >
> he doesn't like her questions.

   Well, seems MOST of them ARE commie stooges ...

   Turn 'em off.

   Sorry, STILL some major "Us"/"Them" going on.
   It's real - so we have to react/cope.

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#90517

On 25/08/2026 05:37, c186282 wrote:
> Sorry, STILL some major "Us"/"Them" going on.
>    It's real - so we have to react/cope.

The conflict is real, the issues are carefully manufactured
Probably by some focus group in Moscow

-- 
To ban Christmas, simply give turkeys the vote.

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#90455

On 2026-08-24, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote:

>    Also, USA - not so sure about UK/Euro - has pretty
>    serious protections against persecuting people JUST
>    because of their political beliefs.

So far.  Stay tuned.

-- 
/~\  Charlie Gibbs                  |  In this world there are
\ /  <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>      |  two kinds of people:
 X   I'm really at ac.dekanfrus     |  1. Those who can extrapolate
/ \  if you read it the right way.  |  from incomplete data.

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#90459

On 24/08/2026 17:25, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
> On 2026-08-24, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote:
> 
>>     Also, USA - not so sure about UK/Euro - has pretty
>>     serious protections against persecuting people JUST
>>     because of their political beliefs.
> 
> So far.  Stay tuned.
> 
ROFLMAO.

It was at least 20 years ago that a naturalist (David Bellamy) who was 
sceptical about man made climate change vanished from the TV to be 
replaced by the on message David Attenborough.

DR Kelly, who blew the whistle on WMD in Iraq (No, not really) 
'committed suicide'.

Salman Rushdie is blind in one eye for writing a book about some verses 
in the Q'ran

Ann Widdecombe was murdered a few weeks ago a strong voice on the 
conservative right.

Charlie Kirk - again right wing - was murdered for his rhetoric.

Edwina Curry, a minister in Thatchers government, was sacked for saying 
'all chickens have salmonella'. She lost her job.

Professor David Nutt said taking ecstasy was no worse than the risks of 
"equasy", a term he invented to describe people's addiction to 
horse-riding. He lost his job

I can assure you that people in positions of some influence had better 
toe the line or they will be fired, blackballed or in extreme cases die 
in mysterious cirmcunstances.

-- 
The biggest threat to humanity comes from socialism, which has utterly 
diverted our attention away from what really matters to our existential 
survival, to indulging in navel gazing and faux moral investigations 
into what the world ought to be, whilst we fail utterly to deal with 
what it actually is.

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#90467

On Mon, 24 Aug 2026 19:46:34 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> Charlie Kirk - again right wing - was murdered for his rhetoric.

Some people felt Kirk was eliminated when he started to re-evaluate 
Zionism. Of course, those people are pilloried, with many new laws being 
introduced about that sort of stinking thinking.

Freud did his damage but it was really his nephew that was dangerous.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Bernays

Bernays spent much of his time selling refrigerators to Eskimos but 
Lippmann, who may have mentored him to some extent was the real deal.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_Lippmann

A guy wrote about the 'Big Lie' in his book and it's interpreted that he 
was talking about his efforts. Wrong.

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#90493

On 8/24/26 12:25, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
> On 2026-08-24, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote:
> 
>>     Also, USA - not so sure about UK/Euro - has pretty
>>     serious protections against persecuting people JUST
>>     because of their political beliefs.
> 
> So far.  Stay tuned.

   Well, STILL good - and likely to remain so.

   BUT, if actual THREAT ... temporary work-arounds
   ARE sometimes needed.

   "Ideal/ideological" is mostly great, but REALITY
   sometimes intrudes. "Liberal" FDR shut down a
   LOT of enemy propaganda in the 40s because it
   NEEDED to be done.

   If Trump wants to CRUSH the neo-commies, well, I
   won't be TOO put out .... bad -vs- REALLY Bad ...
   choose now.

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#90458

On 2026-08-24, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote:
>
>    Tailgunner Joe WAS on to something. However, after
>    some success, he apparently became a serious alcoholic
>    and it kinda rotted his brain. He began to make
>    accusations against people he shouldn't have and thus
>    got pushed to the curb. Alas his later excesses led
>    to considerable/excessive push-back/undoing later on.
>
>    Also, USA - not so sure about UK/Euro - has pretty
>    serious protections against persecuting people JUST
>    because of their political beliefs. More than "belief"
>    is required - some kind of active aggressive PLOT has
>    to be proven. Even in the mid 1950s you WERE allowed
>    to be a "Card-Carrying Communist". Still are.
>

Ah "un-american activities" hearings. Some protections

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#90460

On 24/08/2026 19:36, Jim Jackson wrote:
> On 2026-08-24, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote:
>>
>>     Tailgunner Joe WAS on to something. However, after
>>     some success, he apparently became a serious alcoholic
>>     and it kinda rotted his brain. He began to make
>>     accusations against people he shouldn't have and thus
>>     got pushed to the curb. Alas his later excesses led
>>     to considerable/excessive push-back/undoing later on.
>>
>>     Also, USA - not so sure about UK/Euro - has pretty
>>     serious protections against persecuting people JUST
>>     because of their political beliefs. More than "belief"
>>     is required - some kind of active aggressive PLOT has
>>     to be proven. Even in the mid 1950s you WERE allowed
>>     to be a "Card-Carrying Communist". Still are.
>>
> 
> Ah "un-american activities" hearings. Some protections

Its rather like the case with Islam today.
No one wants to persecute peoples religious beliefs, but when those 
beliefs dictate that they should carry out acts of treason and violence, 
one has to pause and consider.

A University acquaintance tried to 'recruit me to the cause' , He told 
me exactly what the grand Communist plan was. It was to infiltrate and 
subvert every single public sector organisation. Universities, schools, 
local councils, the Labour party,  newspapers, the BBC, The performing 
arts - especially Hollywood, the trade Unions. And of course the EU.

Later on I saw the demise of the Green party and Greenpeace to hard left 
infiltration. People I know in Equity - the actors union - are appalled 
that their subscription goes into hard left political organisations.

Their watermark is on everything. LBGTQ, Right to Life, Critical Race 
Theory, Just Stop [whatever is fashionable today]

They are quite fanatics driven by the conviction not that they are 
second rate and not that smart, but that they are oppressed by the 
system, and the system has to go, so they can take over.

The mess they make when they do is beyond belief.


-- 
Truth welcomes investigation because truth knows investigation will lead 
to converts. It is deception that uses all the other techniques.

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#90466

On Mon, 24 Aug 2026 19:58:51 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> Later on I saw the demise of the Green party and Greenpeace to hard left
> infiltration. People I know in Equity - the actors union - are appalled
> that their subscription goes into hard left political organisations.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth_First!#Direct_action

I met Foreman in '88 as the organization took its hard left turn. He 
enjoyed taunting the lefties but they won and he left the organization. 
The godfather of the organization, Ed Abbey, also held views the new breed 
abhorred. 

Somebody observed that without vigorous pruning organizations drift left.

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#90515

On 24/08/2026 21:31, rbowman wrote:
> On Mon, 24 Aug 2026 19:58:51 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> 
>> Later on I saw the demise of the Green party and Greenpeace to hard left
>> infiltration. People I know in Equity - the actors union - are appalled
>> that their subscription goes into hard left political organisations.
> 
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth_First!#Direct_action
> 
> I met Foreman in '88 as the organization took its hard left turn. He
> enjoyed taunting the lefties but they won and he left the organization.
> The godfather of the organization, Ed Abbey, also held views the new breed
> abhorred.
> 
> Somebody observed that without vigorous pruning organizations drift left.

Its not a drift, its a conscious deliberate planned infiltration.
The Left regard these organisations as targets. They join, the agitate, 
they get elected where no one else can be arsed, then they start 
employing chums . Anywhere there is a mountain of someone else's money 
to divert to political ends, they go.

And everyone else is too scared to stand up to them

Google 'Jason Arday' for the symbol of the times.

-- 
Ideas are more powerful than guns. We would not let our enemies have 
guns, why should we let them have ideas?

Josef Stalin

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#90556

On Tue, 25 Aug 2026 11:57:12 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> Google 'Jason Arday' for the symbol of the times.

At least he took early retirement. Poor boy, hounded by the right wingers.

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#90563

On 25/08/2026 19:45, rbowman wrote:
> On Tue, 25 Aug 2026 11:57:12 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> 
>> Google 'Jason Arday' for the symbol of the times.
> 
> At least he took early retirement. Poor boy, hounded by the right wingers.
> 
Hardly hounded by the right wing.

Exposed by the MSM more like

A victim of the woke left who put him there in the first place

-- 
“The ultimate result of shielding men from the effects of folly is to 
fill the world with fools.”

Herbert Spencer

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#90464

On Mon, 24 Aug 2026 18:36:46 -0000 (UTC), Jim Jackson wrote:

> On 2026-08-24, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote:
>>
>>    Tailgunner Joe WAS on to something. However, after some success, he
>>    apparently became a serious alcoholic and it kinda rotted his brain.
>>    He began to make accusations against people he shouldn't have and
>>    thus got pushed to the curb. Alas his later excesses led to
>>    considerable/excessive push-back/undoing later on.
>>
>>    Also, USA - not so sure about UK/Euro - has pretty serious
>>    protections against persecuting people JUST because of their
>>    political beliefs. More than "belief"
>>    is required - some kind of active aggressive PLOT has to be proven.
>>    Even in the mid 1950s you WERE allowed to be a "Card-Carrying
>>    Communist". Still are.
>>
>>
> Ah "un-american activities" hearings. Some protections

Internet shadow banning is nothing new.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hollywood_blacklist#Hollywood_Ten

It was a travesty. Budd Schulberg was a CPUSA member in the '30s and 
recruited Ring Lardner and others. Schulberg was a friendly witness and 
skated. Lardner refused to answer and was cited for contempt. 

Pete Seeger had been on the FBI's shit list since the '40s when he wrote a 
letter protesting the treatment of Japanese-Americans in California. His 
fiance was half Japanese, born in Munich to an American mother, and an 
American citizen.

Like the others he refused to answer without taking the Fifth and was 
cited for contempt. He was then blacklisted for years. In his case he was 
a 'fellow traveler' and not a card carrying CPUSA member.

There was a lot of settling of old scores. Harry Dexter White and 
Whittaker Chambers offered up Alger Hiss as a scapegoat. Even Hiss was 
convicted of perjury since anything he may have done in the '30s was past 
its sale date.

HUAC was the usual bunch of grandstanding politicians that had very little 
success in finding anyone guilty of anything than contempt for them.

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