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  Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 L Thorpe <lt666@sixsixsix.net> - 2026-08-15 20:45 +0000
    Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-15 17:10 -0400
      Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 L Thorpe <lt666@sixsixsix.net> - 2026-08-15 21:15 +0000
        Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-15 17:21 -0400
          Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> - 2026-08-15 22:56 +0000
    Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-16 02:26 -0400
      Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-16 03:01 -0400
        Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-08-17 09:48 -0700
          Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-17 12:54 -0400
          Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-17 17:49 +0000
            Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-08-17 14:34 -0400
              Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-17 23:48 +0000
            Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-08-17 12:14 -0700
              Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-17 22:55 +0000
          Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> - 2026-08-17 19:33 +0000
            Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-17 15:39 -0400
            Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> - 2026-08-17 20:13 +0000
      Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-16 10:58 +0200
      Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> - 2026-08-16 14:30 +0000
        Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-16 17:44 +0100
          Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 L Thorpe <lt666@sixsixsix.net> - 2026-08-16 17:01 +0000
            Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-17 00:52 -0400
              Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-17 16:58 +0000
                Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-17 13:45 -0400
                  Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-17 18:59 +0000
                    Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-17 15:16 -0400
                      OT (was: Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11) "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-08-17 21:20 +0100
                        Re: OT "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-17 16:42 -0400
                          Re: OT "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-08-17 22:21 +0100
                            Re: OT "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-17 18:23 -0400
                          Re: OT John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-08-17 14:34 -0700
                            Re: OT "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-17 18:24 -0400
                              Re: OT John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-08-17 15:40 -0700
                                Re: OT "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-17 18:44 -0400
                                  Re: OT John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-08-18 07:51 -0700
                                    Re: OT "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-18 11:20 -0400
                                      Re: OT John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-08-18 10:24 -0700
                                        Re: OT The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-19 13:58 +0100
                              Re: OT Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-18 00:47 +0000
                                Re: OT "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-17 20:51 -0400
                                  Re: OT rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-18 03:01 +0000
                                    Re: OT Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-18 04:55 +0000
                                Re: OT rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-18 02:55 +0000
                        Re: OT Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-08-19 18:30 +0000
                          Re: OT "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-08-19 22:19 +0100
                            Re: OT Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-08-20 15:41 +0000
                              Re: OT "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-08-20 17:05 +0100
                                Re: OT Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-08-20 17:57 +0000
                                Re: OT "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2026-08-20 18:59 +0100
                                  Re: OT Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-08-20 18:48 +0000
                                    Re: OT Oz roads /satnavs "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2026-08-20 21:23 +0100
                                      Re: OT Oz roads /satnavs Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-08-21 07:40 +0000
                                    Re: OT rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-20 20:50 +0000
                                  Re: OT rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-20 20:32 +0000
                                Re: OT rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-20 20:26 +0000
                                  Re: OT Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-20 22:44 +0000
                                    Re: OT rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-21 03:36 +0000
                                  Re: OT The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-21 13:43 +0100
                                    Re: OT rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-21 18:08 +0000
                                      Re: OT chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2026-08-21 16:03 -0500
                                Re: OT "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-21 19:43 +0200
                              Re: OT rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-20 20:05 +0000
                                Re: OT Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-20 20:26 +0000
                                  Re: OT Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2026-08-20 21:18 +0000
                                    Re: OT rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-21 03:54 +0000
                                    Re: OT The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-21 13:45 +0100
                                      Re: OT Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2026-08-21 19:07 +0000
                                  Re: OT rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-20 22:12 +0000
                          Re: OT The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-20 01:16 +0100
                            Re: OT "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-20 12:31 +0200
                              Re: OT The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-20 11:59 +0100
                                Re: OT "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-20 15:23 +0200
                                  Re: OT The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-21 13:39 +0100
                                    Re: OT "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-21 19:52 +0200
                              Re: OT "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-08-20 17:15 +0100
                              Re: OT Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-21 02:49 +0000
                      Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-17 22:51 +0000
                  Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2026-08-18 08:39 +0100
                    Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-18 03:52 -0400
                  Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-08-18 21:15 +1000
                    Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-18 07:25 -0400
                      Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-08-18 21:44 +1000
                        Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-18 07:52 -0400
                        Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-18 13:18 +0100
                          Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-18 08:36 -0400
                    Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-18 13:16 +0100
                Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-17 18:07 +0000
                Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-17 23:40 +0000
                  Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-17 19:45 -0400
                  Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-18 00:47 +0000
                    Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-18 02:51 +0000
                      Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-08-18 03:10 +0000
                      Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-18 00:48 -0400
                        Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-18 10:26 +0100
                      Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-18 04:55 +0000
                      Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-08-18 08:55 -0400
                        Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-18 17:24 +0100
                          Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-18 16:37 +0000
                            Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-08-18 20:51 -0400
                              Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-19 15:04 +0100
                                Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-19 20:53 +0000
                                Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-08-19 22:11 -0400
                                  Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-20 11:58 +0100
                                    Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-20 21:51 +0000
                                    Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-08-20 21:06 -0400
                                      Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-21 13:50 +0100
                                        Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-21 18:55 +0000
                            Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-19 04:32 +0000
                              Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-19 05:34 +0000
                            Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-19 14:52 +0100
                              Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-19 21:08 +0000
                                Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-19 22:54 +0000
                                  Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-20 04:11 +0000
                    Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-18 10:25 +0100
                      Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-18 15:34 +0000
                        Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-18 17:30 +0100
                      Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-18 16:30 +0000
                        Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-18 22:52 +0000
                          Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-08-19 05:54 +0200
                        Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-19 14:47 +0100
                          Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-19 21:26 +0000
                            Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-20 01:42 +0100
                              Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> - 2026-08-20 01:42 +0000
                  Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-18 03:34 +0000
              Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2026-08-17 19:08 +0000
          Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-16 23:42 -0400
    Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> - 2026-08-16 11:55 +0000

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#90161

Fromrbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Date2026-08-19 20:53 +0000
Message-ID<nemjedFpub2U15@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#90138
On Wed, 19 Aug 2026 15:04:08 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> The Left LOVE Islam.  'Queers for Palestine' is the most ridiculous
> thing I have ever heard.

That's led to some very strange bedfellows. The paleoconservatives and 
other segments of the right never had much use for Israel not that they 
have any love for the Islamics. The majority US Jews are Democrats and 
some are further to the left like Sanders. So now the left doesn't like 
Israel which leads to some cognitive dissonance for the older lefties.

Horseshoe indeed. I think US politics is going to get weirder than usual 
in the coming years. 'Weimar' comes up more frequently in conversations. 

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#90183

FromCrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge>
Date2026-08-19 22:11 -0400
Message-ID<6a86624d$0$23$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>
In reply to#90138
On 2026-08-19 10:04 a.m., The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 19/08/2026 01:51, CrudeSausage wrote:
>> Since Hitler and Stalin aren't that far apart, we don't need to wonder 
>> what would happen if Communists and their Muslims allies in North 
>> America would do if they manage to take a greater amount of power. War 
>> and misery is on the menu.
> 
> The Left LOVE Islam.  'Queers for Palestine' is the most ridiculous 
> thing I have ever heard.
> 
> Churchill described Islam as a "militant and proselytizing faith" and 
> asserted that "the influence of the religion paralyses the social 
> development of those who follow it" In the same text, he criticized what 
> he perceived as a "fatalistic apathy", economic stagnation, and the 
> status of women under traditional interpretations of Islamic law
> 
> And, in fact that is exactly true of the hard left of today as well. 
> Apart from the woman bit.
> 
> The problem is that the rational materialism of the post modern 
> intellectuals has eroded any semblance of religious faith and morality 
> in those who espouse it and left a massive vacuum in those who simply 
> need something - anything - to Believe In. And give them some kind of 
> Moral Compass.
> 
> Into that vacuum steps Communism, Wokeism, Political correctness, 
> Liberalism, Radical Islam . the Greens and of course yer axshul Donald 
> Trump and MAGA.
> 
> All promising salvation. And sa simple set of moral guidelines 'America 
> first. fuck the foreigners' 'God is great, fuck the infidels' . 
> 'Everybody is really nice, kill the bastards who don't think so'
> 
> And so on.

At some point, salvation comes from simply turning all electronics off 
and not paying attention anymore.

-- 
CrudeSausage
M4 MacBook Air
Matthew 7:15
John 14:6

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#90203

FromThe Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Date2026-08-20 11:58 +0100
Message-ID<1166mkn$3drqq$3@dont-email.me>
In reply to#90183
On 20/08/2026 03:11, CrudeSausage wrote:
> On 2026-08-19 10:04 a.m., The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>> On 19/08/2026 01:51, CrudeSausage wrote:
>>> Since Hitler and Stalin aren't that far apart, we don't need to 
>>> wonder what would happen if Communists and their Muslims allies in 
>>> North America would do if they manage to take a greater amount of 
>>> power. War and misery is on the menu.
>>
>> The Left LOVE Islam.  'Queers for Palestine' is the most ridiculous 
>> thing I have ever heard.
>>
>> Churchill described Islam as a "militant and proselytizing faith" and 
>> asserted that "the influence of the religion paralyses the social 
>> development of those who follow it" In the same text, he criticized 
>> what he perceived as a "fatalistic apathy", economic stagnation, and 
>> the status of women under traditional interpretations of Islamic law
>>
>> And, in fact that is exactly true of the hard left of today as well. 
>> Apart from the woman bit.
>>
>> The problem is that the rational materialism of the post modern 
>> intellectuals has eroded any semblance of religious faith and morality 
>> in those who espouse it and left a massive vacuum in those who simply 
>> need something - anything - to Believe In. And give them some kind of 
>> Moral Compass.
>>
>> Into that vacuum steps Communism, Wokeism, Political correctness, 
>> Liberalism, Radical Islam . the Greens and of course yer axshul Donald 
>> Trump and MAGA.
>>
>> All promising salvation. And sa simple set of moral guidelines 
>> 'America first. fuck the foreigners' 'God is great, fuck the infidels' 
>> . 'Everybody is really nice, kill the bastards who don't think so'
>>
>> And so on.
> 
> At some point, salvation comes from simply turning all electronics off 
> and not paying attention anymore.
> 
That would be fine if it was just your head: I ran into the fringes of 
an animal rights demonstration once.  Now I have had loaded guns pointed 
at me, but the wild eyed guy with the placard shrieking ' kill the 
murderers' was far more scary...

You need to know where the next crazy is coming from...
-- 
To ban Christmas, simply give turkeys the vote.

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#90244

Fromrbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Date2026-08-20 21:51 +0000
Message-ID<nepb7eFpub2U41@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#90203
On Thu, 20 Aug 2026 11:58:31 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> That would be fine if it was just your head: I ran into the fringes of
> an animal rights demonstration once.  Now I have had loaded guns pointed
> at me, but the wild eyed guy with the placard shrieking ' kill the
> murderers'
> was far more scary...
> 
> You need to know where the next crazy is coming from...

The demonstrations in this area are quite peaceful and laid back. They 
might be nutters but they do know who is going to lose if they play 
Cowboys and Crazies'.

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#90250

FromCrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge>
Date2026-08-20 21:06 -0400
Message-ID<6a87a4ab$0$21$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>
In reply to#90203
On 2026-08-20 6:58 a.m., The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 20/08/2026 03:11, CrudeSausage wrote:
>> On 2026-08-19 10:04 a.m., The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>> On 19/08/2026 01:51, CrudeSausage wrote:
>>>> Since Hitler and Stalin aren't that far apart, we don't need to 
>>>> wonder what would happen if Communists and their Muslims allies in 
>>>> North America would do if they manage to take a greater amount of 
>>>> power. War and misery is on the menu.
>>>
>>> The Left LOVE Islam.  'Queers for Palestine' is the most ridiculous 
>>> thing I have ever heard.
>>>
>>> Churchill described Islam as a "militant and proselytizing faith" and 
>>> asserted that "the influence of the religion paralyses the social 
>>> development of those who follow it" In the same text, he criticized 
>>> what he perceived as a "fatalistic apathy", economic stagnation, and 
>>> the status of women under traditional interpretations of Islamic law
>>>
>>> And, in fact that is exactly true of the hard left of today as well. 
>>> Apart from the woman bit.
>>>
>>> The problem is that the rational materialism of the post modern 
>>> intellectuals has eroded any semblance of religious faith and 
>>> morality in those who espouse it and left a massive vacuum in those 
>>> who simply need something - anything - to Believe In. And give them 
>>> some kind of Moral Compass.
>>>
>>> Into that vacuum steps Communism, Wokeism, Political correctness, 
>>> Liberalism, Radical Islam . the Greens and of course yer axshul 
>>> Donald Trump and MAGA.
>>>
>>> All promising salvation. And sa simple set of moral guidelines 
>>> 'America first. fuck the foreigners' 'God is great, fuck the 
>>> infidels' . 'Everybody is really nice, kill the bastards who don't 
>>> think so'
>>>
>>> And so on.
>>
>> At some point, salvation comes from simply turning all electronics off 
>> and not paying attention anymore.
>>
> That would be fine if it was just your head: I ran into the fringes of 
> an animal rights demonstration once.  Now I have had loaded guns pointed 
> at me, but the wild eyed guy with the placard shrieking ' kill the 
> murderers' was far more scary...
> 
> You need to know where the next crazy is coming from...

Which is part of why it is difficult for _me_ to turn off the screen. 
I'm trying to pay less attention to what's going on in the United States 
though. Much like YouTube which knows you so well that it always has yet 
another video for you to watch, American news has just enough drama for 
you to keep your eyes peeled. Trying to get away from what seems to be 
an endless distraction is proving to be very difficult.

-- 
CrudeSausage
M4 MacBook Air
Matthew 7:15
John 14:6

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#90280

FromThe Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Date2026-08-21 13:50 +0100
Message-ID<1169hi4$9sqa$12@dont-email.me>
In reply to#90250
On 21/08/2026 02:06, CrudeSausage wrote:
> On 2026-08-20 6:58 a.m., The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>> On 20/08/2026 03:11, CrudeSausage wrote:
>>> On 2026-08-19 10:04 a.m., The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>> On 19/08/2026 01:51, CrudeSausage wrote:
>>>>> Since Hitler and Stalin aren't that far apart, we don't need to 
>>>>> wonder what would happen if Communists and their Muslims allies in 
>>>>> North America would do if they manage to take a greater amount of 
>>>>> power. War and misery is on the menu.
>>>>
>>>> The Left LOVE Islam.  'Queers for Palestine' is the most ridiculous 
>>>> thing I have ever heard.
>>>>
>>>> Churchill described Islam as a "militant and proselytizing faith" 
>>>> and asserted that "the influence of the religion paralyses the 
>>>> social development of those who follow it" In the same text, he 
>>>> criticized what he perceived as a "fatalistic apathy", economic 
>>>> stagnation, and the status of women under traditional 
>>>> interpretations of Islamic law
>>>>
>>>> And, in fact that is exactly true of the hard left of today as well. 
>>>> Apart from the woman bit.
>>>>
>>>> The problem is that the rational materialism of the post modern 
>>>> intellectuals has eroded any semblance of religious faith and 
>>>> morality in those who espouse it and left a massive vacuum in those 
>>>> who simply need something - anything - to Believe In. And give them 
>>>> some kind of Moral Compass.
>>>>
>>>> Into that vacuum steps Communism, Wokeism, Political correctness, 
>>>> Liberalism, Radical Islam . the Greens and of course yer axshul 
>>>> Donald Trump and MAGA.
>>>>
>>>> All promising salvation. And sa simple set of moral guidelines 
>>>> 'America first. fuck the foreigners' 'God is great, fuck the 
>>>> infidels' . 'Everybody is really nice, kill the bastards who don't 
>>>> think so'
>>>>
>>>> And so on.
>>>
>>> At some point, salvation comes from simply turning all electronics 
>>> off and not paying attention anymore.
>>>
>> That would be fine if it was just your head: I ran into the fringes of 
>> an animal rights demonstration once.  Now I have had loaded guns 
>> pointed at me, but the wild eyed guy with the placard shrieking ' kill 
>> the murderers' was far more scary...
>>
>> You need to know where the next crazy is coming from...
> 
> Which is part of why it is difficult for _me_ to turn off the screen. 
> I'm trying to pay less attention to what's going on in the United States 
> though. Much like YouTube which knows you so well that it always has yet 
> another video for you to watch, American news has just enough drama for 
> you to keep your eyes peeled. Trying to get away from what seems to be 
> an endless distraction is proving to be very difficult.
> 
These days I have somehow arrived at a helicopter view.
I KNOW that its 99.9% propaganda paid for by someone who has a vested 
interest in shoving shit into your brain, so I try to have a meta view, 
to work out who is that someone and why they want that particular shit 
shoved in.

It's remarkable how  the probable answer comes up as 'the Kremlin' 'Arab 
oil states' or 'Some Big Business'


-- 
You can get much farther with a kind word and a gun than you can with a 
kind word alone.

Al Capone


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#90298

Fromrbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Date2026-08-21 18:55 +0000
Message-ID<nerl97Fpub2U55@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#90280
On Fri, 21 Aug 2026 13:50:12 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> These days I have somehow arrived at a helicopter view.
> I KNOW that its 99.9% propaganda paid for by someone who has a vested
> interest in shoving shit into your brain, so I try to have a meta view,
> to work out who is that someone and why they want that particular shit
> shoved in.

Comparison of the propaganda is interesting. It isn't in the news cycle 
today but often the western press reports on Ukrainian civilians killed by 
Russian drones. Oddly RT reports on Russian civilians killed by Ukrainian 
drones. Sometimes there is an element of humor. 

https://www.rt.com/russia/644451-rt-speaks-with-russian-farmer-fined-
firing-ukrainian-uav/

"Nikolay Mukhin has said his love for his country drove him to try to down 
the drone with his shotgun"

You've got to give the old guy an A for effort. He was fined for 
discharging the shotgun and the shotgun was confiscated but the court 
reversed the decision. He would so fit in around here. 

That propaganda war isn't a pimple on the ass of the Middle East 
propaganda. Even the US MSM is having a hard time reporting on that with a 
straight face. 

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#90099

Fromrbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Date2026-08-19 04:32 +0000
Message-ID<nekpvkFe0jfU15@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#90075
On Tue, 18 Aug 2026 16:37:12 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:

> In actual fact, the ends of this line curve around and meet, meaning
> that Hitler and Stalin really aren't that far apart.
> As somone once said in one of these discussions, the extremists all meet
> somewhere around on the dark side.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horseshoe_theory

I think it was Goebbels that remarked that a KPD radical that had a change 
of heart made a really good SA soldier. You do have to be careful as the 
Strassers found out.

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#90102

FromCharlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>
Date2026-08-19 05:34 +0000
Message-ID<tfbhS.30508$EDc8.14824@fx24.iad>
In reply to#90099
On 2026-08-19, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

> On Tue, 18 Aug 2026 16:37:12 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>
>> In actual fact, the ends of this line curve around and meet, meaning
>> that Hitler and Stalin really aren't that far apart.
>> As somone once said in one of these discussions, the extremists all meet
>> somewhere around on the dark side.
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horseshoe_theory

Bingo!  That looks a lot like my theory.

I think the Taliban are somewhere off the ends.

-- 
/~\  Charlie Gibbs                  |  In this world there are
\ /  <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>      |  two kinds of people:
 X   I'm really at ac.dekanfrus     |  1. Those who can extrapolate
/ \  if you read it the right way.  |  from incomplete data.

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#90135

FromThe Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Date2026-08-19 14:52 +0100
Message-ID<1164cek$2le0s$17@dont-email.me>
In reply to#90075
On 18/08/2026 17:37, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
> n actual fact, the ends of this line curve around and meet,
> meaning that Hitler and Stalin really aren't that far apart.
> As somone once said in one of these discussions, the extremists
> all meet somewhere around on the dark side.

Both communism and corpocracy have one thing in common. No decisions or 
wealth should be left in the hands of the little people.

We are slaves, either to the State or the Company.

And as they call it in Communist [ANC] run South Africa, 'State Capture' 
ensures that they are essentially the same thing.


-- 
"When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, 
that the dunces are all in confederacy against him."

Jonathan Swift.

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#90163

Fromrbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Date2026-08-19 21:08 +0000
Message-ID<nemka1Fpub2U16@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#90135
On Wed, 19 Aug 2026 14:52:20 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> On 18/08/2026 17:37, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>> n actual fact, the ends of this line curve around and meet, meaning
>> that Hitler and Stalin really aren't that far apart. As somone once
>> said in one of these discussions, the extremists all meet somewhere
>> around on the dark side.
> 
> Both communism and corpocracy have one thing in common. No decisions or
> wealth should be left in the hands of the little people.

Big Business and State Socialism are very much alike, especially Big 
Business.”

“Too much capitalism does not mean too many capitalists, but too few 
capitalists.”

G.K. Chesterton

https://www.chesterton.org/quotations/economic-theory-and-distributism/

Chesterton and Belloc's distributism followed from Catholic social 
doctrine which followed from Leo XIII's Rerum Novarum.

https://www.vatican.va/content/leo-xiii/en/encyclicals/documents/hf_l-
xiii_enc_15051891_rerum-novarum.html

The current Leo certainly isn't equivalent to his namesake. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distributism



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#90171

FromCharlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>
Date2026-08-19 22:54 +0000
Message-ID<iuqhS.48260$9DC1.41783@fx18.iad>
In reply to#90163
On 2026-08-19, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

> “Too much capitalism does not mean too many capitalists, but too few 
> capitalists.”
>
> G.K. Chesterton

*applause*

-- 
/~\  Charlie Gibbs                  |  In this world there are
\ /  <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>      |  two kinds of people:
 X   I'm really at ac.dekanfrus     |  1. Those who can extrapolate
/ \  if you read it the right way.  |  from incomplete data.

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#90195

Fromrbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Date2026-08-20 04:11 +0000
Message-ID<nend43Fpub2U29@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#90171
On Wed, 19 Aug 2026 22:54:06 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:

> On 2026-08-19, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
> 
>> “Too much capitalism does not mean too many capitalists, but too few
>> capitalists.”
>>
>> G.K. Chesterton
> 
> *applause*

He did have a way with words. It gets a bit strange toward the end but I 
think of 'The Man Who Was Thursday' every time the FBI makes one of their 
orchestrated busts. Six out of seven of the members of the underground 
anarchist cell were actually undercover detectives of various agencies. 

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#90048

FromThe Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Date2026-08-18 10:25 +0100
Message-ID<11618dq$1mmpl$3@dont-email.me>
In reply to#90006
On 18/08/2026 01:47, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>   "Corporatocracy" seems to be preferable.
Corpocracy. Be British. Don't multiply syllables beyond necessity. 
(William of Occam, A Brit, adapted)..
-- 
"Socialist governments traditionally do make a financial mess. They 
always run out of other people's money. It's quite a characteristic of them"

Margaret Thatcher

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#90067

Fromrbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Date2026-08-18 15:34 +0000
Message-ID<nejcbcFe0jfU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#90048
On Tue, 18 Aug 2026 10:25:14 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> On 18/08/2026 01:47, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>>   "Corporatocracy" seems to be preferable.
> Corpocracy. Be British. Don't multiply syllables beyond necessity.
> (William of Occam, A Brit, adapted)..

That might be confused with coprophagia -- or perhaps they are the same 
thing. I've always had a soft spot for Old Bill, not wanting to dwell in 
Plato's Cloud Cuckoo Land.

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#90074

FromThe Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Date2026-08-18 17:30 +0100
Message-ID<11621bo$1v4qd$5@dont-email.me>
In reply to#90067
On 18/08/2026 16:34, rbowman wrote:
> On Tue, 18 Aug 2026 10:25:14 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> 
>> On 18/08/2026 01:47, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>>> "Corporatocracy" seems to be preferable.
>> Corpocracy. Be British. Don't multiply syllables beyond necessity. 
>> (William of Occam, A Brit, adapted)..
> 
> That might be confused with coprophagia -- or perhaps they are the
> same thing.

I dear, they may well converge as the old doctrine about 'mushroom'
management says "Keep them in the dark and feed them on bullshit"

 > I've always had a soft spot for Old Bill, not wanting to dwell in
> Plato's Cloud Cuckoo Land.

Ah. That got me for a second. In the UK The Old Bill are in fact the 
fuzz, pigs, cops, etc.

Willy Occam understood what everyone else forgot till Hume. A Hypothesis 
is only disprovable.

In which case why be so damned complicated. It was all lies anyway.. No 
one knew the truth and only the Church claimed to...



-- 
Climate is what you expect but weather is what you get.
Mark Twain

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#90071

FromCharlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>
Date2026-08-18 16:30 +0000
Message-ID<eM%gS.35896$Wz_7.5769@fx40.iad>
In reply to#90048
On 2026-08-18, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> On 18/08/2026 01:47, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>
>>   "Corporatocracy" seems to be preferable.
>
> Corpocracy. Be British. Don't multiply syllables beyond necessity. 
> (William of Occam, A Brit, adapted)..

"Orientate" is an example of the trend toward polysyllabificationizing.

(My other pet peeve: saying "preventative" instead of "preventive".)

-- 
/~\  Charlie Gibbs                  |  In this world there are
\ /  <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>      |  two kinds of people:
 X   I'm really at ac.dekanfrus     |  1. Those who can extrapolate
/ \  if you read it the right way.  |  from incomplete data.

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#90080

FromLawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid>
Date2026-08-18 22:52 +0000
Message-ID<1162nmp$26tip$6@dont-email.me>
In reply to#90071
On Tue, 18 Aug 2026 16:30:02 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:

> On 2026-08-18, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
>> On 18/08/2026 01:47, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>>
>>>   "Corporatocracy" seems to be preferable.
>>
>> Corpocracy. Be British. Don't multiply syllables beyond necessity.
>> (William of Occam, A Brit, adapted)..
>
> "Orientate" is an example of the trend toward
> polysyllabificationizing.
>
> (My other pet peeve: saying "preventative" instead of "preventive".)

“Adaptation” or “adaption”?

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#90094

FromSteve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net>
Date2026-08-19 05:54 +0200
Message-ID<p3aa8l5vo37s1hsp1s26ttqda4cq321li7@4ax.com>
In reply to#90080
On Tue, 18 Aug 2026 22:52:09 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence DÿOliveiro
<ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

>On Tue, 18 Aug 2026 16:30:02 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>
>> On 2026-08-18, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> On 18/08/2026 01:47, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>>>
>>>>   "Corporatocracy" seems to be preferable.
>>>
>>> Corpocracy. Be British. Don't multiply syllables beyond necessity.
>>> (William of Occam, A Brit, adapted)..
>>
>> "Orientate" is an example of the trend toward
>> polysyllabificationizing.
>>
>> (My other pet peeve: saying "preventative" instead of "preventive".)
>
>“Adaptation” or “adaption”?

Administer --> administrate

Comment --> commentate


-- 
Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
Web:  http://www.khanya.org.za/stevesig.htm
Blog: http://methodius.blogspot.com
E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk

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#90134

FromThe Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Date2026-08-19 14:47 +0100
Message-ID<1164c5u$2le0s$16@dont-email.me>
In reply to#90071
On 18/08/2026 17:30, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
> On 2026-08-18, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> 
>> On 18/08/2026 01:47, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>>
>>>    "Corporatocracy" seems to be preferable.
>>
>> Corpocracy. Be British. Don't multiply syllables beyond necessity.
>> (William of Occam, A Brit, adapted)..
> 
> "Orientate" is an example of the trend toward polysyllabificationizing.
> 
Yes.
I love the US 'burglarise'
Both countries needed to make a verb out of the activities of burglars. 
The UK chose 'to burgle'.


> (My other pet peeve: saying "preventative" instead of "preventive".)
> 
Use prophylactics instead
-- 
"When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, 
that the dunces are all in confederacy against him."

Jonathan Swift.

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