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  Re: Manipulating C code at the AST level, in C Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-14 12:26 +0100
    Re: Manipulating C code at the AST level, in C Geoff Clare <geoff@clare.See-My-Signature.invalid> - 2026-08-14 13:53 +0100
      Re: Manipulating C code at the AST level, in C Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-14 21:10 +0000
    Re: Manipulating C code at the AST level, in C scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-08-14 16:00 +0000
    Re: Manipulating C code at the AST level, in C c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-14 23:47 -0400
      Re: Manipulating C code at the AST level, in C rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-15 07:20 +0000
        Re: Manipulating C code at the AST level, in C The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-15 11:33 +0100
        Re: Manipulating C code at the AST level, in C c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-15 22:41 -0400
          Re: Manipulating C code at the AST level, in C "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-16 10:50 +0200
            Re: Manipulating C code at the AST level, in C rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-16 19:04 +0000
      Re: Manipulating C code at the AST level, in C Jim Jackson <jj@franjam.org.uk> - 2026-08-15 11:07 +0000
        Re: Manipulating C code at the AST level, in C The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-15 12:18 +0100
      Re: Manipulating C code at the AST level, in C Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-15 12:20 +0100
        Re: Manipulating C code at the AST level, in C c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-16 02:09 -0400
          Re: Manipulating C code at the AST level, in C Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-16 09:59 +0100
            Re: Manipulating C code at the AST level, in C The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-16 11:42 +0100
              Re: Manipulating C code at the AST level, in C c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-17 00:02 -0400
                Re: Manipulating C code at the AST level, in C rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-17 07:10 +0000
                  Re: Manipulating C code at the AST level, in C Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-17 09:32 +0100
                  Re: Manipulating C code at the AST level, in C The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-17 10:13 +0100
                    Re: Manipulating C code at the AST level, in C rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-17 17:15 +0000
                      Re: Manipulating C code at the AST level, in C The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-17 20:58 +0100
                    Re: Manipulating C code at the AST level, in C c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-17 22:24 -0400
                      Re: Manipulating C code at the AST level, in C Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-18 04:55 +0000
                        Re: Manipulating C code at the AST level, in C rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-18 06:17 +0000
                          Re: Manipulating C code at the AST level, in C c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-18 22:11 -0400
                            Re: Manipulating C code at the AST level, in C rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-19 04:21 +0000
                              Re: Manipulating C code at the AST level, in C c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-19 02:26 -0400
                        Re: Manipulating C code at the AST level, in C The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-18 10:19 +0100
                          Re: Manipulating C code at the AST level, in C Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-18 16:30 +0000
                            Re: Manipulating C code at the AST level, in C rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-19 04:11 +0000
                              Re: Manipulating C code at the AST level, in C Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-19 04:22 +0000
                                Re: Manipulating C code at the AST level, in C Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-19 04:38 +0000
                                  Re: Manipulating C code at the AST level, in C Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-19 05:34 +0000
                                    Re: Manipulating C code at the AST level, in C rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-19 06:39 +0000
                                  Re: Manipulating C code at the AST level, in C rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-19 06:35 +0000
                                Re: Manipulating C code at the AST level, in C c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-19 02:28 -0400
                                Re: Manipulating C code at the AST level, in C rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-19 06:30 +0000
          Re: Manipulating C code at the AST level, in C rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-16 19:13 +0000
            Re: Manipulating C code at the AST level, in C c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-17 01:14 -0400
              Re: Manipulating C code at the AST level, in C Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-17 16:58 +0000
        Re: Manipulating C code at the AST level, in C Geoff Clare <geoff@clare.See-My-Signature.invalid> - 2026-08-17 13:44 +0100
          Re: Manipulating C code at the AST level, in C The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-17 15:31 +0100
            Re: Manipulating C code at the AST level, in C Geoff Clare <geoff@clare.See-My-Signature.invalid> - 2026-08-18 13:23 +0100
              Re: Manipulating C code at the AST level, in C The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-18 17:16 +0100
          Re: Manipulating C code at the AST level, in C Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-17 20:27 +0100

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#89974

On Mon, 17 Aug 2026 10:13:01 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> Yes. USA is being raped by its political classes...

Welcome to the club. Who is PM today?

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#89989

On 17/08/2026 18:15, rbowman wrote:
> On Mon, 17 Aug 2026 10:13:01 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> 
>> Yes. USA is being raped by its political classes...
> 
> Welcome to the club. Who is PM today?

I have no idea. Some speccy twat from Manchester last time I looked

-- 
I was brought up to believe that you should never give offence if you 
can avoid it; the new culture tells us you should always take offence if 
you can. There are now experts in the art of taking offence, indeed 
whole academic subjects, such as 'gender studies', devoted to it.

Sir Roger Scruton

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#90010

On 8/17/26 05:13, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 17/08/2026 08:10, rbowman wrote:
>> Yeah, I'm loving that $4.20 gas because he decided to be Netanyahu's
>> shabbas goy. Sir, hit me again, sir!
>>
>> The first time around Mexico didn't pay for the wall he didn't build. 
>> This
>> time he got into the wars he wasn't going to get into. The news today is
>> he is stripping down the joint military exercise with South Korea because
>> he doesn't want to send the wrong message to his fat little buddy in the
>> north.
>>
> Yup. It was all bullshit from the start.
> 
>> The guy is a complete wildcard. And, yes, the other side is even worse.
>> This country is fucked. I'm glad I don't have kids or grandchildren.
> 
> Yes. USA is being raped by its political classes...

   Umm ... read yer history. It's ALWAYS been thus,
   USA or anywhere else. No fixing it. Send all the
   pols to Mars and the NEW ones will be doing the
   SAME things from the get-go. A "human nature" quirk.

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#90027

On 2026-08-18, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote:

> On 8/17/26 05:13, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>
>> On 17/08/2026 08:10, rbowman wrote:
>>
>>> Yeah, I'm loving that $4.20 gas because he decided to be Netanyahu's
>>> shabbas goy. Sir, hit me again, sir!
>>>
>>> The first time around Mexico didn't pay for the wall he didn't build. 
>>> This
>>> time he got into the wars he wasn't going to get into. The news today is
>>> he is stripping down the joint military exercise with South Korea because
>>> he doesn't want to send the wrong message to his fat little buddy in the
>>> north.
>>>
>> Yup. It was all bullshit from the start.
>> 
>>> The guy is a complete wildcard. And, yes, the other side is even worse.
>>> This country is fucked. I'm glad I don't have kids or grandchildren.
>> 
>> Yes. USA is being raped by its political classes...
>
>    Umm ... read yer history. It's ALWAYS been thus,
>    USA or anywhere else. No fixing it. Send all the
>    pols to Mars and the NEW ones will be doing the
>    SAME things from the get-go. A "human nature" quirk.

    No matter who you vote for, the government always get in.
      -- The Bonzo Dog Band

-- 
/~\  Charlie Gibbs                  |  In this world there are
\ /  <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>      |  two kinds of people:
 X   I'm really at ac.dekanfrus     |  1. Those who can extrapolate
/ \  if you read it the right way.  |  from incomplete data.

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#90040

On Tue, 18 Aug 2026 04:55:03 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:

>  No matter who you vote for, the government always get in.

The saying 'no matter who you vote for you get John McCain' needs to be 
updated since both McCain and his protege are pushing daisy. Plenty more 
neocons from where they came from.

Perhaps Trump is channeling them with his latest “If Oman gets in the way, 
we’ll bomb the shit out of them!"

This is getting old.

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#90084

On 8/18/26 02:17, rbowman wrote:
> On Tue, 18 Aug 2026 04:55:03 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
> 
>>   No matter who you vote for, the government always get in.
> 
> The saying 'no matter who you vote for you get John McCain' needs to be
> updated since both McCain and his protege are pushing daisy. Plenty more
> neocons from where they came from.

   Yay !  :-)

> Perhaps Trump is channeling them with his latest “If Oman gets in the way,
> we’ll bomb the shit out of them!"
> 
> This is getting old.

   It's *weird* for sure. Trump DOES seem to be
   running some kind of game here - but WHAT game ?
   Trump is far too good a wheeler-dealer for there
   to be no ultimate plan here, but, well, you don't
   go BLABBING the Master Plan all around .....

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#90097

On Tue, 18 Aug 2026 22:11:09 -0400, c186282 wrote:

>    It's *weird* for sure. Trump DOES seem to be running some kind of
>    game here - but WHAT game ? Trump is far too good a wheeler-dealer
>    for there to be no ultimate plan here, but, well, you don't go
>    BLABBING the Master Plan all around .....

I remember that from the first go around. 'He's playing 4D chess. Trust 
the plan.'  I haven't checked 8kun lately to see if QAnon is still around 
or a distant memory like the alt-right.

Any country, other than Israel, that thought the US wouldn't screw them 
over when the wind shifted was retarded. Trump seems to be making that 
very explicit.

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#90107

On 8/19/26 00:21, rbowman wrote:
> On Tue, 18 Aug 2026 22:11:09 -0400, c186282 wrote:
> 
>>     It's *weird* for sure. Trump DOES seem to be running some kind of
>>     game here - but WHAT game ? Trump is far too good a wheeler-dealer
>>     for there to be no ultimate plan here, but, well, you don't go
>>     BLABBING the Master Plan all around .....
> 
> I remember that from the first go around. 'He's playing 4D chess. Trust
> the plan.'  I haven't checked 8kun lately to see if QAnon is still around
> or a distant memory like the alt-right.
> 
> Any country, other than Israel, that thought the US wouldn't screw them
> over when the wind shifted was retarded. Trump seems to be making that
> very explicit.

   The usual MSM and lefties complain bitterly
   because they aren't informed of any Master
   Plan or how Trump plans to get there. They
   just echo Iranian propaganda instead.

   Anyway, the 'ceasefire' grace period has run
   out and Iran is again shooting at everybody
   all around. This time expect B1Bs and B-52s
   full of semi-dumb bombs. Those little caps
   they have for dumb bombs now - cheap and
   pretty effective. The USA has an almost
   endless supply of dumb bombs.

   Just waiting for the Washington group to
   relieve the Lincoln group ... a few more
   days.

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#90046

On 18/08/2026 05:55, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
> On 2026-08-18, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote:
> 
>> On 8/17/26 05:13, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

>>> Yes. USA is being raped by its political classes...
>>
>>     Umm ... read yer history. It's ALWAYS been thus,
>>     USA or anywhere else. No fixing it. Send all the
>>     pols to Mars and the NEW ones will be doing the
>>     SAME things from the get-go. A "human nature" quirk.
> 
>      No matter who you vote for, the government always get in.
>        -- The Bonzo Dog Band
> 
+1
Bonzo dog DOODAH band.

-- 
How fortunate for governments that the people they administer don't think.

Adolf Hitler

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#90073

On 2026-08-18, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> On 18/08/2026 05:55, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>
>> On 2026-08-18, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote:
>> 
>>> On 8/17/26 05:13, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>
>>>> Yes. USA is being raped by its political classes...
>>>
>>>     Umm ... read yer history. It's ALWAYS been thus,
>>>     USA or anywhere else. No fixing it. Send all the
>>>     pols to Mars and the NEW ones will be doing the
>>>     SAME things from the get-go. A "human nature" quirk.
>> 
>>      No matter who you vote for, the government always get in.
>>        -- The Bonzo Dog Band
>
> +1
>
> Bonzo dog DOODAH band.

Thank you.  :-)

Back in my early skydiving days I was so spaced out by
the experience that I was given the nickname "Spaceman".
At the time I was working for an outfit called "Urban
Computers Ltd."  So I really _am_ the Urban Spaceman.

-- 
/~\  Charlie Gibbs                  |  In this world there are
\ /  <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>      |  two kinds of people:
 X   I'm really at ac.dekanfrus     |  1. Those who can extrapolate
/ \  if you read it the right way.  |  from incomplete data.

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#90096

On Tue, 18 Aug 2026 16:30:04 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:

> Back in my early skydiving days I was so spaced out by the experience
> that I was given the nickname "Spaceman".

Jumping out of perfectly good airplanes...

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#90098

On 2026-08-19, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

> On Tue, 18 Aug 2026 16:30:04 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>
>> Back in my early skydiving days I was so spaced out by the experience
>> that I was given the nickname "Spaceman".
>
> Jumping out of perfectly good airplanes...

Speaking as a jump pilot as well as a jumper...
have you _seen_ some of those airplanes?

If not, try watching the movie "Fandango" -
the skydiving scenes, while hilarious, are
a lot closer to reality than you might think.

-- 
/~\  Charlie Gibbs                  |  In this world there are
\ /  <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>      |  two kinds of people:
 X   I'm really at ac.dekanfrus     |  1. Those who can extrapolate
/ \  if you read it the right way.  |  from incomplete data.

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#90100

On Wed, 19 Aug 2026 04:22:04 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:

> Speaking as a jump pilot as well as a jumper... have you _seen_ some
> of those airplanes?

I understand a lot of them are purpose-built, by a company based in
the same 🇳🇿 city where I live.

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#90101

On 2026-08-19, Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

> On Wed, 19 Aug 2026 04:22:04 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>
>> Speaking as a jump pilot as well as a jumper... have you _seen_ some
>> of those airplanes?
>
> I understand a lot of them are purpose-built, by a company based in
> the same 🇳🇿 city where I live.

It's not a very big market.  But a good old Cessna 182 fills the bill
for small loads.  For larger loads jumpers will eagerly go in anything
that you can take the door off of or open in flight.  The Pilatus
Porter is popular, as is the King Air or Twin Otter for larger loads.
Not to mention the venerable antiques like the Beech 18 or DC-3.

-- 
/~\  Charlie Gibbs                  |  In this world there are
\ /  <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>      |  two kinds of people:
 X   I'm really at ac.dekanfrus     |  1. Those who can extrapolate
/ \  if you read it the right way.  |  from incomplete data.

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#90111

On Wed, 19 Aug 2026 05:34:16 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:

> It's not a very big market.  But a good old Cessna 182 fills the bill
> for small loads.  For larger loads jumpers will eagerly go in anything
> that you can take the door off of or open in flight.

I had the latch on a Tomahawk's gull wing door break. Probably wasn't 
intended to be opened in flight. It got damn breezy.

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#90110

On Wed, 19 Aug 2026 04:38:44 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:

> On Wed, 19 Aug 2026 04:22:04 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
> 
>> Speaking as a jump pilot as well as a jumper... have you _seen_ some of
>> those airplanes?
> 
> I understand a lot of them are purpose-built, by a company based in the
> same 🇳🇿 city where I live.

The June 14th crash in Butler Missouri where the pilot and 11 skydivers 
died was a Pacific Aerospace 750XL.  The NTSB hasn't found an obvious 
problem. It started banking left on the climb out until the wings were 
vertical to the ground.

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#90108

On 8/19/26 00:22, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
> On 2026-08-19, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
> 
>> On Tue, 18 Aug 2026 16:30:04 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>>
>>> Back in my early skydiving days I was so spaced out by the experience
>>> that I was given the nickname "Spaceman".
>>
>> Jumping out of perfectly good airplanes...
> 
> Speaking as a jump pilot as well as a jumper...
> have you _seen_ some of those airplanes?
> 
> If not, try watching the movie "Fandango" -
> the skydiving scenes, while hilarious, are
> a lot closer to reality than you might think.

   Never seen it.

   Also would never intentionally jump out
   of a perfectly good plane.

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#90109

On Wed, 19 Aug 2026 04:22:04 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:

> On 2026-08-19, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
> 
>> On Tue, 18 Aug 2026 16:30:04 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>>
>>> Back in my early skydiving days I was so spaced out by the experience
>>> that I was given the nickname "Spaceman".
>>
>> Jumping out of perfectly good airplanes...
> 
> Speaking as a jump pilot as well as a jumper... have you _seen_ some of
> those airplanes?
> 
> If not, try watching the movie "Fandango" -
> the skydiving scenes, while hilarious, are a lot closer to reality than
> you might think.

I wouldn't be surprised. I learned to fly in an elderly Lark Commander. 
The usual procedures on final included pumping the brakes up if you 
expected to stop. afaik they haven't figured out the Butler crash yet. 
That was a fairly new plane too.

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#89945

On Sun, 16 Aug 2026 02:09:57 -0400, c186282 wrote:

>  You brought a
>    jacket so you could do shit in the CPU room.

At RPI the shrine where the 360/30 lived was the only place on campus with 
A/C. Not a bad thing on those days when the humidity in the Hudson Valley 
hits 99.9%.

The last place I worked was a converted mill building. Rather nice 
architecturally but every HVAC company in town had taken a shot at it with 
limited success. Programming wore flannel shirts in August and it wasn't a 
style thing. Portable electric heaters appeared to the consternation of 
the maintenance people.

Conversely, I leaned toward short sleeved shirts in December. The poor 
bastards on the 2nd floor were on the opposite schedule.

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#89957

On 8/16/26 15:13, rbowman wrote:
> On Sun, 16 Aug 2026 02:09:57 -0400, c186282 wrote:
> 
>>   You brought a
>>     jacket so you could do shit in the CPU room.
> 
> At RPI the shrine where the 360/30 lived was the only place on campus with
> A/C. Not a bad thing on those days when the humidity in the Hudson Valley
> hits 99.9%.


   Heh heh ... yea, there WAS a little span where
   the coolest place in town, literally, was the
   govt/biz CPU room !


> The last place I worked was a converted mill building. Rather nice
> architecturally but every HVAC company in town had taken a shot at it with
> limited success. Programming wore flannel shirts in August and it wasn't a
> style thing. Portable electric heaters appeared to the consternation of
> the maintenance people.

   Older buildings, like old British castles, were NOT
   designed with modern conveniences in mind. The Brits
   just ran lots of pipes and shit along the upper walls.
   Kinda ugly, but WORK.

> Conversely, I leaned toward short sleeved shirts in December. The poor
> bastards on the 2nd floor were on the opposite schedule.

   The old boxes had to be kept within a narrow
   temperature range. Mostly that's be 'cooler'
   but in winter might be 'hotter'.

   I remember an old govt place - a DEC cpu box,
   about a cubic meter, discrete transistors - in
   the middle of the room and all the tape drive
   units along the walls. They kept it about 55/60F
   in there at all times WITH an enforced breeze.

   BUT ... it supported dozens of serial terminals,
   local and remote,  and everybody COULD get their
   necessary shit done.

   Almost *all* COBOL.

   Hmmm ... these days you can earn BIG money if
   you know, and can fix/mod, COBOL code from the
   1960s. Rather a LOT of places paid BIG $$$ to
   have COBOL pros write their core operating
   software back then - and can now not AFFORD to
   port it all over to anything else.

   Oh, that olde-tyme COBOL code - SOLID ! Yer
   stereotypical white-shirt/narrow-tie guys
   who KNEW THEIR SHIT far better than most today.
   Not EVER gonna cuss them.

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