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  Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 L Thorpe <lt666@sixsixsix.net> - 2026-08-15 20:45 +0000
    Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-15 17:10 -0400
      Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 L Thorpe <lt666@sixsixsix.net> - 2026-08-15 21:15 +0000
        Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-15 17:21 -0400
          Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> - 2026-08-15 22:56 +0000
    Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-16 02:26 -0400
      Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-16 03:01 -0400
        Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-08-17 09:48 -0700
          Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-17 12:54 -0400
          Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-17 17:49 +0000
            Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-08-17 14:34 -0400
              Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-17 23:48 +0000
            Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-08-17 12:14 -0700
              Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-17 22:55 +0000
          Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> - 2026-08-17 19:33 +0000
            Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-17 15:39 -0400
            Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> - 2026-08-17 20:13 +0000
      Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-16 10:58 +0200
      Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> - 2026-08-16 14:30 +0000
        Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-16 17:44 +0100
          Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 L Thorpe <lt666@sixsixsix.net> - 2026-08-16 17:01 +0000
            Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-17 00:52 -0400
              Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-17 16:58 +0000
                Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-17 13:45 -0400
                  Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-17 18:59 +0000
                    Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-17 15:16 -0400
                      OT (was: Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11) "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-08-17 21:20 +0100
                        Re: OT "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-17 16:42 -0400
                          Re: OT "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-08-17 22:21 +0100
                            Re: OT "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-17 18:23 -0400
                          Re: OT John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-08-17 14:34 -0700
                            Re: OT "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-17 18:24 -0400
                              Re: OT John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-08-17 15:40 -0700
                                Re: OT "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-17 18:44 -0400
                                  Re: OT John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-08-18 07:51 -0700
                                    Re: OT "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-18 11:20 -0400
                              Re: OT Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-18 00:47 +0000
                                Re: OT "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-17 20:51 -0400
                                  Re: OT rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-18 03:01 +0000
                                    Re: OT Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-18 04:55 +0000
                                Re: OT rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-18 02:55 +0000
                      Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-17 22:51 +0000
                  Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2026-08-18 08:39 +0100
                    Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-18 03:52 -0400
                  Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-08-18 21:15 +1000
                    Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-18 07:25 -0400
                      Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-08-18 21:44 +1000
                        Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-18 07:52 -0400
                        Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-18 13:18 +0100
                          Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-18 08:36 -0400
                    Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-18 13:16 +0100
                Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-17 18:07 +0000
                Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-17 23:40 +0000
                  Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-17 19:45 -0400
                  Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-18 00:47 +0000
                    Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-18 02:51 +0000
                      Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-08-18 03:10 +0000
                      Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-18 00:48 -0400
                        Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-18 10:26 +0100
                      Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-18 04:55 +0000
                      Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-08-18 08:55 -0400
                        Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-18 17:24 +0100
                          Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-18 16:37 +0000
                    Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-18 10:25 +0100
                      Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-18 15:34 +0000
                        Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-18 17:30 +0100
                      Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-18 16:30 +0000
                  Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-18 03:34 +0000
              Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2026-08-17 19:08 +0000
          Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-16 23:42 -0400
    Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> - 2026-08-16 11:55 +0000

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#90016 — Re: OT

On Tue, 18 Aug 2026 00:47:07 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:

> Some benefits, perhaps.  Still, having a physical DVD means that you can
> watch it anywhere, anytime, without needing Internet access and saying
> "mother may I" (and possibly paying) every time.
> And it isn't going to suddenly vanish on the whim of a marketroid.

I don't buy too much music anymore but I preferred DVDs. I do have a 
changer but I've ripped most of them. It's hard stuffing 100 DVDs into a 
phone. 

I have a few video DVDs including a couple in Netflix mailers. At the end 
they said to not bother returning them. I do miss the feature where I 
could see which DVDs I'd rented. I'm not good with titles and a couple of 
times I've been a few minutes into a streaming video before I realized I'd 
seen it before. At least with Kindle books Amazon has my complete history 
for better or worse. 

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#90000

On Mon, 17 Aug 2026 15:16:48 -0400, Joel W. Crump wrote:

> Bill Gates did one initiative to install flushing toilets in people's
> houses, that's a big deal, something people in the first world just take
> for granted.

I'm not sure indoor plumbing is all it's cracked up to be. It does keep 
the plumbers in business though.

https://www.welthungerhilfe.org/hunger-due-to-drought-in-east-africa

I think East Africa needs something other than flush toilets.


https://www.businessinsider.com/bill-gates-wants-world-to-move-past-flush-
toilets-2018-11


Gates drinking recycled piss reminded me of another thirsty person. It 
seems he doesn't really want flush toilets. That's just as well as third 
world countries have shit for sewage systems. (bad pun intended)

https://www.eastidahonews.com/2021/03/radioactive-cleanup-at-idaho-
nuclear-site-working/

I may have the wrong person but I think it was Watt that downed a glass of 
glow-in-the-dark water, smacked his lips, and said 'See, no problem.'

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_G._Watt

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#90042

On Mon, 17 Aug 2026 13:45:19 -0400
"Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 8/17/2026 12:58 PM, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
> > On 2026-08-17, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote:
> >> On 8/16/26 13:01, L Thorpe wrote:
> >>> On Sun, 16 Aug 2026 17:44:53 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
[]

> >>     And then it all went SO BAD ...
> >>
> >>     At some point soon I'm gonna need to buy a
> >>     half-ass big-screen "phone". HATE 'em. Keep
> >>     a little FLIP as my mobile now.
> > 
> > I'll give up my flip phone when they pry it from
> > my cold dead fingers.  It sends and receives calls
> > and texts (including pictures).  I neither need
> > nor want anything more.  They're not hard to
> > find, either.  I got my latest one for $100;
> > its $50 predecessor was just too shitty, but
> > as with anything else you get what you pay for..
> 
> 
> What do you do if you need a computer when you're driving?  Do you even 
> realize that you can get a map app on the smartphone?
> 
> 
> >>                                     My carrier is
> >>     not gonna support my great old landline much
> >>     longer - they've already raised the PRICE
> >>     insanely, hoping I'll quit. Clue, I'm NOT
> >>     gonna buy the new crap-phone from THEM - but
> >>     from another. Pref Android. Samsung phones
> >>     are gonna be IT.
> > 
> > In our latest account update with the telco, they
> > threw in a Google Pixel 9a for a dollar.  It sits
> > on a shelf in its original box, a testament to my
> > attempt to live as Google-free a life as possible.
> 
> 
> The Pixel doesn't appeal to me, Samsung is the best smartphone maker, 
> IMO.  Fuck Apple.
> 
You might want to take continue this discussion in a mobile phone NG;
it's nowt to do with linux, mac,w11,or w10.

PS the Samsung Keyboard applet has 5 "privacy notices".


FU set to cma
-- 
Bah, and indeed Humbug.

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#90044

On 8/18/2026 3:39 AM, Kerr-Mudd, John wrote:
> On Mon, 17 Aug 2026 13:45:19 -0400
> "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 8/17/2026 12:58 PM, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>>>
>>> In our latest account update with the telco, they
>>> threw in a Google Pixel 9a for a dollar.  It sits
>>> on a shelf in its original box, a testament to my
>>> attempt to live as Google-free a life as possible.
>>
>> The Pixel doesn't appeal to me, Samsung is the best smartphone maker,
>> IMO.  Fuck Apple.
>>
> You might want to take continue this discussion in a mobile phone NG;
> it's nowt to do with linux, mac,w11,or w10.
> 
> PS the Samsung Keyboard applet has 5 "privacy notices".
> 
> 
> FU set to cma


Are you even living in 2026, dude?  Your reply was a bunch of loudmouth 
nothingness.  No one said smartphones were explicitly on-topic in these 
newsgroups.  They are still something people who are normal talk about. 
So save your high horses for someone you actually outsmart, dumbshit.

-- 
Joel W. Crump

Zyprexa - It's not just for schizophrenics, anymore!

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#90051

On 18/08/2026 3:45 am, Joel W. Crump wrote:
> On 8/17/2026 12:58 PM, Charlie Gibbs wrote:

<Snip>

>> In our latest account update with the telco, they
>> threw in a Google Pixel 9a for a dollar.  It sits
>> on a shelf in its original box, a testament to my
>> attempt to live as Google-free a life as possible.

Sorry. WHAT?? You try to live as Google-free a life as possible by using 
a *Google* Pixel 9a?? Really?? ;-P
-- 
Daniel70

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#90052

On 8/18/2026 7:15 AM, Daniel70 wrote:
>> On 8/17/2026 12:58 PM, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
> 
>>> In our latest account update with the telco, they
>>> threw in a Google Pixel 9a for a dollar.  It sits
>>> on a shelf in its original box, a testament to my
>>> attempt to live as Google-free a life as possible.
> 
> Sorry. WHAT?? You try to live as Google-free a life as possible by using 
> a *Google* Pixel 9a?? Really?? ;-P


You did read what he said?  He's not using it, it's collecting dust, as 
it were.  Honestly I affirm Samsung as a source of good smartphones. 
It's the only brand I have used and will ever use, based on what I know 
today.

-- 
Joel W. Crump

Zyprexa - It's not just for schizophrenics, anymore!

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#90053

On 18/08/2026 9:25 pm, Joel W. Crump wrote:
> On 8/18/2026 7:15 AM, Daniel70 wrote:
>>> On 8/17/2026 12:58 PM, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>>
>>>> In our latest account update with the telco, they
>>>> threw in a Google Pixel 9a for a dollar.  It sits
>>>> on a shelf in its original box, a testament to my
>>>> attempt to live as Google-free a life as possible.
>>
>> Sorry. WHAT?? You try to live as Google-free a life as possible by 
>> using a *Google* Pixel 9a?? Really?? ;-P
> 
> You did read what he said?  He's not using it, it's collecting dust, as 
> it were.  Honestly I affirm Samsung as a source of good smartphones. 
> It's the only brand I have used and will ever use, based on what I know 
> today.
> 
Oh!! Right. I missed that.

I seem to be stuck in 'HP' land. Both this Desktop and the previous 
Laptop have been HP's.
-- 
Daniel70

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#90054

On 8/18/2026 7:44 AM, Daniel70 wrote:
> On 18/08/2026 9:25 pm, Joel W. Crump wrote:
>> On 8/18/2026 7:15 AM, Daniel70 wrote:
>>>> On 8/17/2026 12:58 PM, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>>>
>>>>> In our latest account update with the telco, they
>>>>> threw in a Google Pixel 9a for a dollar.  It sits
>>>>> on a shelf in its original box, a testament to my
>>>>> attempt to live as Google-free a life as possible.
>>>
>>> Sorry. WHAT?? You try to live as Google-free a life as possible by 
>>> using a *Google* Pixel 9a?? Really?? ;-P
>>
>> You did read what he said?  He's not using it, it's collecting dust, 
>> as it were.  Honestly I affirm Samsung as a source of good 
>> smartphones. It's the only brand I have used and will ever use, based 
>> on what I know today.
>>
> Oh!! Right. I missed that.
> 
> I seem to be stuck in 'HP' land. Both this Desktop and the previous 
> Laptop have been HP's.


HP isn't bad.  I bought my GF one of their laptops, in fact.  But the 
Microsoft OEM network is selling gear that can be easily be bested by 
self-assembly, or like me just using a China-sourced mini PC.

-- 
Joel W. Crump

Zyprexa - It's not just for schizophrenics, anymore!

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#90057

On 18/08/2026 12:44, Daniel70 wrote:
> On 18/08/2026 9:25 pm, Joel W. Crump wrote:

>> You did read what he said?  He's not using it, it's collecting dust, 
>> as it were.  Honestly I affirm Samsung as a source of good 
>> smartphones. It's the only brand I have used and will ever use, based 
>> on what I know today.
>>
> Oh!! Right. I missed that.
> 
> I seem to be stuck in 'HP' land. Both this Desktop and the previous 
> Laptop have been HP's.

I have found used HPs very good spec, cheap, and vanilla enough to run 
Linux Out Of The Box so to speak.

My IdiotPhone is a Samsung. At least that is what it says on it.


-- 
I was brought up to believe that you should never give offence if you 
can avoid it; the new culture tells us you should always take offence if 
you can. There are now experts in the art of taking offence, indeed 
whole academic subjects, such as 'gender studies', devoted to it.

Sir Roger Scruton

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#90058

On 8/18/2026 8:18 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 18/08/2026 12:44, Daniel70 wrote:
>> On 18/08/2026 9:25 pm, Joel W. Crump wrote:
> 
>>> You did read what he said?  He's not using it, it's collecting dust, 
>>> as it were.  Honestly I affirm Samsung as a source of good 
>>> smartphones. It's the only brand I have used and will ever use, based 
>>> on what I know today.
>>>
>> Oh!! Right. I missed that.
>>
>> I seem to be stuck in 'HP' land. Both this Desktop and the previous 
>> Laptop have been HP's.
> 
> I have found used HPs very good spec, cheap, and vanilla enough to run 
> Linux Out Of The Box so to speak.
> 
> My IdiotPhone is a Samsung. At least that is what it says on it.


People who shun the PC and do everything with their phones are 
interesting, yeah.  I give Apple, Google and Samsung a lot of credit, 
for making a product everyone should want, and yet it cannot replace the PC.

-- 
Joel W. Crump

Zyprexa - It's not just for schizophrenics, anymore!

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#90056

On 18/08/2026 12:15, Daniel70 wrote:
> On 18/08/2026 3:45 am, Joel W. Crump wrote:
>> On 8/17/2026 12:58 PM, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
> 
> <Snip>
> 
>>> In our latest account update with the telco, they
>>> threw in a Google Pixel 9a for a dollar.  It sits
>>> on a shelf in its original box, a testament to my
>>> attempt to live as Google-free a life as possible.
> 
> Sorry. WHAT?? You try to live as Google-free a life as possible by using 
> a *Google* Pixel 9a?? Really?? ;-P

I think the point is that he *doesn't* use it?

-- 
“Puritanism: The haunting fear that someone, somewhere, may be happy.”

H.L. Mencken, A Mencken Chrestomathy

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#89978

On Mon, 17 Aug 2026 16:58:52 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:


> All Apple is doing is following Microsoft's lead, especially when it
> comes to software subscriptions.
> I find it ironic that these huge, right-wing companies are working to
> achieve Karl Marx's fondest dream:
> the elimination of private property.  (We could quibble about these
> companies being private themselves,
> or just acknowledge that they're more part of the government than
> private citizens.)

I read an article recently where iTunes is still around although they try 
to push you to an Apple Music subscription. Years ago my boss handed out 
iPod Shuffles at Christmas. To load my existing music I had to install the 
Windows iTunes app. What a pile of dog vomit. 

>>    Long long back, Bill Gates/M$ were sort of HEROES.
> 
> Gates was never a hero in my eyes.  Remember him whining after a
> computer club spread his BASIC interpreter around?  Or whining nearly
> every week when the DOJ foiled his various attempts at creating a
> monopoly?  He's nothing more than a mediocre programmer (see below) who
> had the gift of the gab.

One of my disappointments was CP/M-86 losing out. But then, the 8088 was 
another low point. The M$ C compiler was okay but iitc they bought it from 
Lattice. I think Allen was the brains and Gates the sales schlock.

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#90002

On Mon, 17 Aug 2026 16:58:52 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:

> I find it ironic that these huge, right-wing companies are working
> to achieve Karl Marx's fondest dream: the elimination of private
> property. (We could quibble about these companies being private
> themselves, or just acknowledge that they're more part of the
> government than private citizens.)

Karl Marx would be spinning in his grave if he knew you were claiming
that the corporations whose power he was against were in any way the
fulfilment of his ideas.

The term for private corporations having more power over ordinary
citizens’ lives than the Government, is not “Communism”, but
“Fascism”. Or possibly “Corporatism”.

I think it’s “Fascism” if the Government themselves are in league
with the corporates.

> ... technically MS-DOS was a pile of crap.

A lot of that crap carries over to Windows today.

And oddly, some of it (the command-line limitations, drive letters and
I think “reserved” file names) actually predates it, going back to the
8-bit CP/M era.

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#90003

On 8/17/2026 7:40 PM, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
> On Mon, 17 Aug 2026 16:58:52 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
> 
>> ... technically MS-DOS was a pile of crap.
> 
> A lot of that crap carries over to Windows today.
> 
> And oddly, some of it (the command-line limitations, drive letters and
> I think “reserved” file names) actually predates it, going back to the
> 8-bit CP/M era.


There's something to that, yeah, but modern-day Windows is an equally 
advanced environment to Unix/Linux.

-- 
Joel W. Crump

Zyprexa - It's not just for schizophrenics, anymore!

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#90006

On 2026-08-17, Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

> On Mon, 17 Aug 2026 16:58:52 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>
>> I find it ironic that these huge, right-wing companies are working
>> to achieve Karl Marx's fondest dream: the elimination of private
>> property. (We could quibble about these companies being private
>> themselves, or just acknowledge that they're more part of the
>> government than private citizens.)
>
> Karl Marx would be spinning in his grave if he knew you were claiming
> that the corporations whose power he was against were in any way the
> fulfilment of his ideas.

That's the lovely thing about irony.  :-)

> The term for private corporations having more power over ordinary
> citizens’ lives than the Government, is not “Communism”, but
> “Fascism”. Or possibly “Corporatism”.

I did a bit of digging and found out that the term "corporatism"
has already been taken.  "Corporatocracy" seems to be preferable.

> I think it’s “Fascism” if the Government themselves are in league
> with the corporates.

If you don't want to use the term "fascism" (even Heinlein mentioned
the term "corporate fascism" in one of his novels), the term
"regulatory capture" seems to be becoming a popular euphemism.

-- 
/~\  Charlie Gibbs                  |  In this world there are
\ /  <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>      |  two kinds of people:
 X   I'm really at ac.dekanfrus     |  1. Those who can extrapolate
/ \  if you read it the right way.  |  from incomplete data.

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#90015

On Tue, 18 Aug 2026 00:47:07 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:

> On 2026-08-17, Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 17 Aug 2026 16:58:52 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>>
>>> I find it ironic that these huge, right-wing companies are working
>>> to achieve Karl Marx's fondest dream: the elimination of private
>>> property. (We could quibble about these companies being private
>>> themselves, or just acknowledge that they're more part of the
>>> government than private citizens.)
>>
>> Karl Marx would be spinning in his grave if he knew you were
>> claiming that the corporations whose power he was against were in
>> any way the fulfilment of his ideas.
>
> That's the lovely thing about irony.  :-)

Point being, it’s just wrong. Communism is about the Government taking
control of the means of production, not about the owners of the means
of production taking control of the Government.

To understand the difference, just compare the USA with China right
now. One of those is doing one of those things, the other is doing the
other one of those things.

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#90020

On Aug 17, 2026 at 7:51:04 PM MST, "Lawrence D´Oliveiro" wrote
<1160han$1g1j0$5@dont-email.me>:

> On Tue, 18 Aug 2026 00:47:07 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
> 
>> On 2026-08-17, Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
>> 
>>> On Mon, 17 Aug 2026 16:58:52 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>>> 
>>>> I find it ironic that these huge, right-wing companies are working
>>>> to achieve Karl Marx's fondest dream: the elimination of private
>>>> property. (We could quibble about these companies being private
>>>> themselves, or just acknowledge that they're more part of the
>>>> government than private citizens.)
>>> 
>>> Karl Marx would be spinning in his grave if he knew you were
>>> claiming that the corporations whose power he was against were in
>>> any way the fulfilment of his ideas.
>> 
>> That's the lovely thing about irony.  :-)
> 
> Point being, it’s just wrong. Communism is about the Government taking
> control of the means of production, not about the owners of the means
> of production taking control of the Government.
> 
> To understand the difference, just compare the USA with China right
> now. One of those is doing one of those things, the other is doing the
> other one of those things.

On this you and I are largely in agreement.

-- 
It's impossible for someone who is at war with themselves to be at peace with you.

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#90026

On 8/17/26 22:51, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
> On Tue, 18 Aug 2026 00:47:07 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
> 
>> On 2026-08-17, Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, 17 Aug 2026 16:58:52 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>>>
>>>> I find it ironic that these huge, right-wing companies are working
>>>> to achieve Karl Marx's fondest dream: the elimination of private
>>>> property. (We could quibble about these companies being private
>>>> themselves, or just acknowledge that they're more part of the
>>>> government than private citizens.)
>>>
>>> Karl Marx would be spinning in his grave if he knew you were
>>> claiming that the corporations whose power he was against were in
>>> any way the fulfilment of his ideas.
>>
>> That's the lovely thing about irony.  :-)
> 
> Point being, it’s just wrong. Communism is about the Government taking
> control of the means of production, not about the owners of the means
> of production taking control of the Government.
> 
> To understand the difference, just compare the USA with China right
> now. One of those is doing one of those things, the other is doing the
> other one of those things.

   Note the "evil" USA is still where most everyone
   in the world wants to FLEE to ......

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#90049

On 18/08/2026 05:48, c186282 wrote:
> Note the "evil" USA is still where most everyone
>    in the world wants to FLEE to ......
Sadly not. The kindly UK is where they are all headed.

-- 
"Socialist governments traditionally do make a financial mess. They 
always run out of other people's money. It's quite a characteristic of them"

Margaret Thatcher

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#90029

On 2026-08-18, Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

> On Tue, 18 Aug 2026 00:47:07 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>
>> On 2026-08-17, Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, 17 Aug 2026 16:58:52 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>>>
>>>> I find it ironic that these huge, right-wing companies are working
>>>> to achieve Karl Marx's fondest dream: the elimination of private
>>>> property. (We could quibble about these companies being private
>>>> themselves, or just acknowledge that they're more part of the
>>>> government than private citizens.)
>>>
>>> Karl Marx would be spinning in his grave if he knew you were
>>> claiming that the corporations whose power he was against were in
>>> any way the fulfilment of his ideas.
>>
>> That's the lovely thing about irony.  :-)
>
> Point being, it’s just wrong. Communism is about the Government taking
> control of the means of production, not about the owners of the means
> of production taking control of the Government.
>
> To understand the difference, just compare the USA with China right
> now. One of those is doing one of those things, the other is doing the
> other one of those things.

    Under capitalism, man exploits man.
    Under communism, it's just the opposite.
      -- John Kenneth Galbraith

-- 
/~\  Charlie Gibbs                  |  In this world there are
\ /  <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>      |  two kinds of people:
 X   I'm really at ac.dekanfrus     |  1. Those who can extrapolate
/ \  if you read it the right way.  |  from incomplete data.

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