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| First post | 2026-08-08 00:26 -0400 |
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AI Finds FLAWS in AES/Post-Quantum Encryption Algos c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-08 00:26 -0400
Re: AI Finds FLAWS in AES/Post-Quantum Encryption Algos Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-08 07:03 +0000
Re: AI Finds FLAWS in AES/Post-Quantum Encryption Algos rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-08 08:16 +0000
Re: AI Finds FLAWS in AES/Post-Quantum Encryption Algos c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-08 21:00 -0400
Re: AI Finds FLAWS in AES/Post-Quantum Encryption Algos The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-09 13:24 +0100
Re: AI Finds FLAWS in AES/Post-Quantum Encryption Algos The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-08 12:33 +0100
Re: AI Finds FLAWS in AES/Post-Quantum Encryption Algos Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-08 17:31 +0000
Re: AI Finds FLAWS in AES/Post-Quantum Encryption Algos c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-08 21:18 -0400
Re: AI Finds FLAWS in AES/Post-Quantum Encryption Algos The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-09 13:25 +0100
Re: AI Finds FLAWS in AES/Post-Quantum Encryption Algos rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-09 19:07 +0000
Re: AI Finds FLAWS in AES/Post-Quantum Encryption Algos The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-09 20:28 +0100
Life in Russia - US vs Russian propagando (Re: AI Finds FLAWS in AES/Post-Quantum Encryption Algos) Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2026-08-09 13:21 -0700
Re: AI Finds FLAWS in AES/Post-Quantum Encryption Algos "Stanislav N. aka pztrn" <pztrn@oldproto.invalid> - 2026-08-10 05:28 +0500
Re: AI Finds FLAWS in AES/Post-Quantum Encryption Algos The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-10 06:15 +0100
Re: AI Finds FLAWS in AES/Post-Quantum Encryption Algos "Stanislav N. aka pztrn" <pztrn@oldproto.invalid> - 2026-08-10 10:51 +0500
Re: AI Finds FLAWS in AES/Post-Quantum Encryption Algos Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-09 18:47 +0000
Re: AI Finds FLAWS in AES/Post-Quantum Encryption Algos The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-09 20:26 +0100
Re: AI Finds FLAWS in AES/Post-Quantum Encryption Algos c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-10 00:06 -0400
Re: AI Finds FLAWS in AES/Post-Quantum Encryption Algos c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-08 20:54 -0400
CLASS in Europe and America Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2026-08-09 07:10 -0700
Re: CLASS in Europe and America Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-09 16:48 +0000
Re: CLASS in Europe and America The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-09 20:22 +0100
Re: CLASS in Europe and America c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-09 23:59 -0400
Re: CLASS in Europe and America The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-10 06:16 +0100
Re: CLASS in Europe and America Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2026-08-10 05:35 -0700
Re: AI Finds FLAWS in AES/Post-Quantum Encryption Algos Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-08 09:44 +0100
Re: AI Finds FLAWS in AES/Post-Quantum Encryption Algos c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-08 21:13 -0400
Re: AI Finds FLAWS in AES/Post-Quantum Encryption Algos Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-09 09:26 +0100
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2026-08-08 00:26 -0400 |
| Subject | AI Finds FLAWS in AES/Post-Quantum Encryption Algos |
| Message-ID | <56ecnTXZWchnMuv3nZ2dnZfqnPoAAAAA@giganews.com> |
https://www.livescience.com/technology/artificial-intelligence/ai-found-a-weakness-in-one-of-the-worlds-most-studied-encryption-systems-is-your-data-under-threat Artificial intelligence (AI) has helped uncover new weaknesses in two cryptographic systems, including a simplified version of the Advanced Encryption Standard (AES) that underpins much of today's internet. While these headline-grabbing findings don't put anyone's passwords or bank accounts at immediate risk, experts say the research could mark the beginning of a new era in which AI becomes a powerful assistant for discovering flaws in the mathematical foundations of digital security. In a blog post published July 28, representatives from Anthropic's Frontier Red Team said Claude Mythos Preview independently developed new cryptanalytic techniques against two different targets: a version of AES-128, one of the world's most widely used encryption algorithms, and HAWK, an experimental post-quantum digital signature scheme . . . Note these are not "cracks", not YET. However they are the foundation for "cracks". Problem - everybody has a LONG LONG data HISTORY at this point. A lot of it has been archived, somewhere. Likely a lot of your banking/investment acct numbers and such haven't changed in a long time. As such, attacks could be directed towards somewhat "old" data archives nobody is really paying attention to anymore YET do you great damage. Used to use AES-128 for all my company data - a bit quicker than 256 but still, supposedly, secure. All that data is still "out there", somewhere. Always used Cloud backup as the extra support leg in the overall security equation in case of total disaster. Our auditors used to DEMAND I prove I could recover that data, yearly. Made GUI apps so I could produce nice screen shots as proof - quick-n-easy. The news of defective 'post-quantum' encryption IS a serious concern. We were all COUNTING on this for the near future. The USA/west DO have serious enemies - and they're tech-savvy. Bear that in mind.
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| From | Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-08-08 07:03 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <KwAdS.2619$EDc8.276@fx24.iad> |
| In reply to | #89728 |
On 2026-08-08, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote: > The USA/west DO have serious enemies - and they're > tech-savvy. Bear that in mind. Some of them are in the USA itself. Can you say "tech oligarchs"? Unless you define "USA" as the oligarchs themselves, of course. -- /~\ Charlie Gibbs | In this world there are \ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | two kinds of people: X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | 1. Those who can extrapolate / \ if you read it the right way. | from incomplete data.
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-08-08 08:16 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <ndo6viFt8v8U16@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #89733 |
On Sat, 08 Aug 2026 07:03:06 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > On 2026-08-08, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote: > >> The USA/west DO have serious enemies - and they're tech-savvy. Bear >> that in mind. > > Some of them are in the USA itself. Can you say "tech oligarchs"? > > Unless you define "USA" as the oligarchs themselves, of course. Well it's sort of been that way since bankers, lawyers, and wealthy merchants wrote the constitution behind closed doors.
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2026-08-08 21:00 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <oc6cnShy8J-cTOr3nZ2dnZfqnPudnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #89740 |
On 8/8/26 04:16, rbowman wrote: > On Sat, 08 Aug 2026 07:03:06 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > >> On 2026-08-08, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote: >> >>> The USA/west DO have serious enemies - and they're tech-savvy. Bear >>> that in mind. >> >> Some of them are in the USA itself. Can you say "tech oligarchs"? >> >> Unless you define "USA" as the oligarchs themselves, of course. > > Well it's sort of been that way since bankers, lawyers, and wealthy > merchants wrote the constitution behind closed doors. They were the only ones who could read and write worth a damn :-) Oh, and their skills and money were VERY important in jump-starting the new country. It HAD to be them. DO try to skip the neo-commie propaganda mill ...
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-08-09 13:24 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <1159ri3$29hv8$8@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #89775 |
On 09/08/2026 02:00, c186282 wrote: >> Well it's sort of been that way since bankers, lawyers, and wealthy >> merchants wrote the constitution behind closed doors. > > They were the only ones who could read and write > worth a damn 🙂 > > Oh, and their skills and money were VERY important > in jump-starting the new country. It HAD to be them. > > DO try to skip the neo-commie propaganda mill ... Good points. Society needs extremely skilled people to run things. Just not too many, and the rich people will always hate them. Which is why schools today teach less and less. Its far EASIER when the sheeple cant read and write. And Believe what they are told. The only time smart people get power is in wartime when the Olly-Garks are shit scared of lusing. -- New Socialism consists essentially in being seen to have your heart in the right place whilst your head is in the clouds and your hand is in someone else's pocket.
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-08-08 12:33 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <115746m$1drpb$13@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #89733 |
On 08/08/2026 08:03, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > On 2026-08-08, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote: > >> The USA/west DO have serious enemies - and they're >> tech-savvy. Bear that in mind. > > Some of them are in the USA itself. Can you say "tech oligarchs"? > > Unless you define "USA" as the oligarchs themselves, of course. > The problem is that the sort of unfulfilled personality that prefers looking at his bank account rather than a placid trout lake, that wants to be seen to be something because they have zero self esteem, that thinks that lying cheating bullying stealing and blackmail is 'just business' is exactly the sort of cunt that gets attracted to politics and big business. JUST the same way that paedophiles get attracted to working in schools, the scouts or running the church choir... -- "What do you think about Gay Marriage?" "I don't." "Don't what?" "Think about Gay Marriage."
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| From | Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-08-08 17:31 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <HJJdS.14696$X2R3.12171@fx17.iad> |
| In reply to | #89746 |
On 2026-08-08, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote: > On 08/08/2026 08:03, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > >> On 2026-08-08, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote: >> >>> The USA/west DO have serious enemies - and they're >>> tech-savvy. Bear that in mind. >> >> Some of them are in the USA itself. Can you say "tech oligarchs"? >> >> Unless you define "USA" as the oligarchs themselves, of course. >> > The problem is that the sort of unfulfilled personality that prefers > looking at his bank account rather than a placid trout lake, that wants > to be seen to be something because they have zero self esteem, that > thinks that lying cheating bullying stealing and blackmail is 'just > business' is exactly the sort of cunt that gets attracted to politics > and big business. > > JUST the same way that paedophiles get attracted to working in schools, > the scouts or running the church choir... Not only that, the people who we really need in those positions are the ones most strongly repelled by all the bullshit and corruption. -- /~\ Charlie Gibbs | In this world there are \ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | two kinds of people: X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | 1. Those who can extrapolate / \ if you read it the right way. | from incomplete data.
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2026-08-08 21:18 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <2didnf2Uv6SmSOr3nZ2dnZfqn_GdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #89746 |
On 8/8/26 07:33, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > On 08/08/2026 08:03, Charlie Gibbs wrote: >> On 2026-08-08, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote: >> >>> The USA/west DO have serious enemies - and they're >>> tech-savvy. Bear that in mind. >> >> Some of them are in the USA itself. Can you say "tech oligarchs"? >> >> Unless you define "USA" as the oligarchs themselves, of course. >> > The problem is that the sort of unfulfilled personality that prefers > looking at his bank account rather than a placid trout lake, that wants > to be seen to be something because they have zero self esteem, that > thinks that lying cheating bullying stealing and blackmail is 'just > business' is exactly the sort of cunt that gets attracted to politics > and big business. I'm against jamming sharp things into fish. In any case, the USA is too volatile to support a traditional 'oligarchy'. Most of that talk is Russian-sponsored propaganda designed to fabricate an 'enemy within' so useful idiots can scream about it.
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-08-09 13:25 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <1159rkg$29hv8$9@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #89777 |
On 09/08/2026 02:18, c186282 wrote: > > In any case, the USA is too volatile to support > a traditional 'oligarchy'. Most of that talk is > Russian-sponsored propaganda designed to > fabricate an 'enemy within' so useful idiots > can scream about it. > LOL! fish cant see the water they live in, either. -- Ideas are more powerful than guns. We would not let our enemies have guns, why should we let them have ideas? Josef Stalin
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-08-09 19:07 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <nds1f0Fmc5rU7@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #89795 |
On Sun, 9 Aug 2026 13:25:52 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > On 09/08/2026 02:18, c186282 wrote: > > >> In any case, the USA is too volatile to support a traditional >> 'oligarchy'. Most of that talk is Russian-sponsored propaganda >> designed to fabricate an 'enemy within' so useful idiots can scream >> about it. >> >> > LOL! fish cant see the water they live in, either. I think there are many Russians who don't believe the US sponsored propaganda about how shitty their lives are.
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-08-09 20:28 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <115akdg$2iuip$3@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #89814 |
On 09/08/2026 20:07, rbowman wrote: > On Sun, 9 Aug 2026 13:25:52 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > >> On 09/08/2026 02:18, c186282 wrote: >> >> >>> In any case, the USA is too volatile to support a traditional >>> 'oligarchy'. Most of that talk is Russian-sponsored propaganda >>> designed to fabricate an 'enemy within' so useful idiots can scream >>> about it. >>> >>> >> LOL! fish cant see the water they live in, either. > > I think there are many Russians who don't believe the US sponsored > propaganda about how shitty their lives are. They don't have to believe. They know. It's not propaganda. Just go online with e.g. google maps and look -- Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend. Inside of a dog it's too dark to read. Groucho Marx
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| From | Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> |
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| Date | 2026-08-09 13:21 -0700 |
| Subject | Life in Russia - US vs Russian propagando (Re: AI Finds FLAWS in AES/Post-Quantum Encryption Algos) |
| Message-ID | <115anfd$2jtor$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #89814 |
>> On 09/08/2026 02:18, c186282 wrote: >>> In any case, the USA is too volatile to support a traditional >>> 'oligarchy'. Most of that talk is Russian-sponsored propaganda >>> designed to fabricate an 'enemy within' so useful idiots can scream >>> about it. > On Sun, 9 Aug 2026 13:25:52 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >> LOL! fish cant see the water they live in, either. On 2026-08-09 12:07, rbowman wrote: > I think there are many Russians who don't believe the US sponsored > propaganda about how shitty their lives are. If you visit Quora, you might look up a Russian pharma salesman named Misha Firer. https://www.quora.com/topic/Misha-Firer-writer-Quora-user -- Lars Poulsen - an old geek in Santa Barbara, California
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| From | "Stanislav N. aka pztrn" <pztrn@oldproto.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-08-10 05:28 +0500 |
| Message-ID | <115b600$2657$1@inn.news.oldproto.ru> |
| In reply to | #89814 |
10.08.2026 00:07, rbowman wrote: > On Sun, 9 Aug 2026 13:25:52 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > >> On 09/08/2026 02:18, c186282 wrote: >> >> >>> In any case, the USA is too volatile to support a traditional >>> 'oligarchy'. Most of that talk is Russian-sponsored propaganda >>> designed to fabricate an 'enemy within' so useful idiots can scream >>> about it. >>> >>> >> LOL! fish cant see the water they live in, either. > > I think there are many Russians who don't believe the US sponsored > propaganda about how shitty their lives are. A loud minority will always outshout a quiet majority (which have a work to do ¯⧹_(ツ)_⧸¯). -- WBR, Stanislav Nikitin a.k.a. pztrn.
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-08-10 06:15 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <115bmpq$2rtdr$5@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #89825 |
On 10/08/2026 01:28, Stanislav N. aka pztrn wrote:
> 10.08.2026 00:07, rbowman wrote:
>> On Sun, 9 Aug 2026 13:25:52 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>
>>> On 09/08/2026 02:18, c186282 wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> In any case, the USA is too volatile to support a traditional
>>>> 'oligarchy'. Most of that talk is Russian-sponsored propaganda
>>>> designed to fabricate an 'enemy within' so useful idiots can scream
>>>> about it.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> LOL! fish cant see the water they live in, either.
>>
>> I think there are many Russians who don't believe the US sponsored
>> propaganda about how shitty their lives are.
> A loud minority will always outshout a quiet majority (which have a work
> to do ¯⧹_(ツ)_⧸¯).
>
Especially if they are the only ones left alive...How many million are
now dead or disabled from the war?
--
"Strange as it seems, no amount of learning can cure stupidity, and
higher education positively fortifies it."
- Stephen Vizinczey
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| From | "Stanislav N. aka pztrn" <pztrn@oldproto.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-08-10 10:51 +0500 |
| Message-ID | <115botp$bbm$1@inn.news.oldproto.ru> |
| In reply to | #89840 |
10.08.2026 10:15, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > On 10/08/2026 01:28, Stanislav N. aka pztrn wrote: >> 10.08.2026 00:07, rbowman wrote: >>> On Sun, 9 Aug 2026 13:25:52 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >>> >>>> On 09/08/2026 02:18, c186282 wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> In any case, the USA is too volatile to support a traditional >>>>> 'oligarchy'. Most of that talk is Russian-sponsored propaganda >>>>> designed to fabricate an 'enemy within' so useful idiots can scream >>>>> about it. >>>>> >>>>> >>>> LOL! fish cant see the water they live in, either. >>> >>> I think there are many Russians who don't believe the US sponsored >>> propaganda about how shitty their lives are. >> A loud minority will always outshout a quiet majority (which have a work to do ¯⧹_(ツ)_⧸¯). >> > Especially if they are the only ones left alive...How many million are now dead or disabled from the war? > No one knows real number. And most likely no one will ever know. I think this is OT, no? -- WBR, Stanislav Nikitin a.k.a. pztrn.
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| From | Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-08-09 18:47 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <aX3eS.15355$n%a8.8538@fx42.iad> |
| In reply to | #89777 |
On 2026-08-09, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote: > In any case, the USA is too volatile to support > a traditional 'oligarchy'. Most of that talk is > Russian-sponsored propaganda designed to > fabricate an 'enemy within' so useful idiots > can scream about it. Whatever. The rich get richer regardless, and "oligarch" seems as appropriate a term as any. The thing about the "American Dream" [tm] is that the concept is easily corrupted into the pursuit of the almighty dollar, and the useful idiots actually believe that if they make the rich richer then the rich will look after them and make them rich too. This has come to be known as the "trickle-down" theory of economics, but it has a flaw: much of what trickles down is yellow. That's why the ones at the bottom are called "peons". Occasionally, what trickles down is brown instead; this is known as the "shit flows downhill" theory. In any event, the rich soon recognize that the trickle, whatever it is, represents a leak (i.e. loss of assets), and said leaks are eventually stopped. They want to have 100% of everything. -- /~\ Charlie Gibbs | In this world there are \ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | two kinds of people: X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | 1. Those who can extrapolate / \ if you read it the right way. | from incomplete data.
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-08-09 20:26 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <115aka2$2iuip$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #89812 |
On 09/08/2026 19:47, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > The thing about the "American Dream" [tm] is that > the concept is easily corrupted into the pursuit of > the almighty dollar, and the useful idiots actually > believe that if they make the rich richer then the > rich will look after them and make them rich too. > > This has come to be known as the "trickle-down" > theory of economics, but it has a flaw: much of > what trickles down is yellow. That's why the > ones at the bottom are called "peons". > > Occasionally, what trickles down is brown instead; > this is known as the "shit flows downhill" theory. > > In any event, the rich soon recognize that the > trickle, whatever it is, represents a leak (i.e. > loss of assets), and said leaks are eventually > stopped. They want to have 100% of everything. Trickle down is not wrong Mass immigration from Mexico says that they at least believe it... when it actually happens Personally I feel that a more useful viewpoint is to distinguish between money, and wealth Wealth, as Michael Caine says, takes the misery out of being poor. Money is simply a game of monopoly, which isn't in the end that interesting to play... -- In a Time of Universal Deceit, Telling the Truth Is a Revolutionary Act. - George Orwell
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2026-08-10 00:06 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <3xOdneUDMLGk0-T3nZ2dnZfqnPednZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #89812 |
On 8/9/26 14:47, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > On 2026-08-09, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote: > >> In any case, the USA is too volatile to support >> a traditional 'oligarchy'. Most of that talk is >> Russian-sponsored propaganda designed to >> fabricate an 'enemy within' so useful idiots >> can scream about it. > > Whatever. The rich get richer regardless, and > "oligarch" seems as appropriate a term as any. Note SOME 'rich' get richer - for AWHILE - then wind up with nothing or less. "Wealth" in the USA is a more TEMPORARY thing than in Europe.
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2026-08-08 20:54 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <2didncOUv6QLUur3nZ2dnZfqn_EAAAAA@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #89733 |
On 8/8/26 03:03, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > On 2026-08-08, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote: > >> The USA/west DO have serious enemies - and they're >> tech-savvy. Bear that in mind. > > Some of them are in the USA itself. Can you say "tech oligarchs"? > > Unless you define "USA" as the oligarchs themselves, of course. Nah, USA isn't that 'simple' - and too volatile. The rich become poor and the poor become rich too easily, too often, in the USA to sustain a traditional oligarchy. It's easier in Europe with its more rigid/established classes. However the more money, the more influence. It's always been like that - check yer history books. Coins are your 'army'. Oh, what's with all the talk about "oligarchs" these days ? Sounds like a Russian (oligarch) propaganda drive - an invented enemy within the USA.
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| From | Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> |
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| Date | 2026-08-09 07:10 -0700 |
| Subject | CLASS in Europe and America |
| Message-ID | <115a1p8$2c0og$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #89774 |
On 2026-08-08 17:54, c186282 wrote: > On 8/8/26 03:03, Charlie Gibbs wrote: >> On 2026-08-08, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote: >> >>> The USA/west DO have serious enemies - and they're >>> tech-savvy. Bear that in mind. >> >> Some of them are in the USA itself. Can you say "tech oligarchs"? >> >> Unless you define "USA" as the oligarchs themselves, of course. > > Nah, USA isn't that 'simple' - and too volatile. > The rich become poor and the poor become rich > too easily, too often, in the USA to sustain > a traditional oligarchy. It's easier in Europe > with its more rigid/established classes. As an immigrant from Europe (Denmark) I see much more class entrenchment in the USA than in the parts of Europe that I am intimately familar with. Americans TELL themselves (or each other) that they have high social mobility, but it is FAR easier to start a new business in most of Europe. Universal health care is one huge reason. -- Lars Poulsen - an old geek in Santa Barbara, California
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