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  LOTS of US Water Plants Hit by Hacks c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-03 20:50 -0400
    Re: LOTS of US Water Plants Hit by Hacks rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-04 07:10 +0000
      Re: LOTS of US Water Plants Hit by Hacks "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-04 10:44 +0200
        Re: LOTS of US Water Plants Hit by Hacks rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-04 17:53 +0000
          Re: LOTS of US Water Plants Hit by Hacks c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-05 02:47 -0400
            Re: LOTS of US Water Plants Hit by Hacks rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-05 20:26 +0000
      Re: LOTS of US Water Plants Hit by Hacks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-04 11:14 +0100
        Re: LOTS of US Water Plants Hit by Hacks rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-04 18:07 +0000
          Re: LOTS of US Water Plants Hit by Hacks c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-05 02:55 -0400
            Re: LOTS of US Water Plants Hit by Hacks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-05 11:42 +0100
            Re: LOTS of US Water Plants Hit by Hacks rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-05 14:09 +0000
              Re: LOTS of US Water Plants Hit by Hacks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-05 18:42 +0100
                Re: LOTS of US Water Plants Hit by Hacks Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2026-08-05 20:19 +0000
                  Re: LOTS of US Water Plants Hit by Hacks rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-05 22:38 +0000
                    Re: LOTS of US Water Plants Hit by Hacks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-06 12:45 +0100
                      Re: LOTS of US Water Plants Hit by Hacks rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-06 21:03 +0000
                        Re: LOTS of US Water Plants Hit by Hacks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-06 22:30 +0100
                  Re: LOTS of US Water Plants Hit by Hacks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-06 12:19 +0100
                    Re: LOTS of US Water Plants Hit by Hacks rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-06 20:43 +0000
                Re: LOTS of US Water Plants Hit by Hacks rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-05 22:36 +0000
                  Re: LOTS of US Water Plants Hit by Hacks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-06 12:37 +0100
                    Re: LOTS of US Water Plants Hit by Hacks rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-06 21:12 +0000
                      Re: LOTS of US Water Plants Hit by Hacks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-06 22:33 +0100
                        Re: LOTS of US Water Plants Hit by Hacks rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-07 04:45 +0000
                          Re: LOTS of US Water Plants Hit by Hacks c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-07 01:57 -0400
                            Re: LOTS of US Water Plants Hit by Hacks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-07 11:44 +0100
                              Re: LOTS of US Water Plants Hit by Hacks rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-07 20:08 +0000
                                Re: LOTS of US Water Plants Hit by Hacks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-07 21:41 +0100
                            Re: LOTS of US Water Plants Hit by Hacks rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-07 20:06 +0000
                              Re: LOTS of US Water Plants Hit by Hacks c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-07 23:06 -0400
                          Re: LOTS of US Water Plants Hit by Hacks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-07 11:42 +0100
                    Re: LOTS of US Water Plants Hit by Hacks c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-06 23:41 -0400
                      Re: LOTS of US Water Plants Hit by Hacks Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-07 19:16 +0000
                        Re: LOTS of US Water Plants Hit by Hacks c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-07 22:49 -0400
                Re: LOTS of US Water Plants Hit by Hacks c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-06 02:19 -0400
              Re: LOTS of US Water Plants Hit by Hacks c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-06 02:18 -0400
                Re: LOTS of US Water Plants Hit by Hacks rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-06 20:14 +0000
              Re: LOTS of US Water Plants Hit by Hacks "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-06 14:22 +0200
                Re: LOTS of US Water Plants Hit by Hacks rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-06 21:19 +0000
          Re: LOTS of US Water Plants Hit by Hacks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-05 11:40 +0100
            Re: LOTS of US Water Plants Hit by Hacks rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-05 20:39 +0000
              Re: LOTS of US Water Plants Hit by Hacks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-06 12:35 +0100
                Re: LOTS of US Water Plants Hit by Hacks rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-06 20:27 +0000
      Re: LOTS of US Water Plants Hit by Hacks c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-05 00:58 -0400
        Re: LOTS of US Water Plants Hit by Hacks rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-05 06:14 +0000
          Re: LOTS of US Water Plants Hit by Hacks c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-05 03:52 -0400
            Re: LOTS of US Water Plants Hit by Hacks rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-05 14:07 +0000
          Re: LOTS of US Water Plants Hit by Hacks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-05 11:46 +0100

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#89632

On 05/08/2026 23:36, rbowman wrote:
> I learned something else of value. We bought the bare press frame from
> Daniels of Stroud.
> 
> https://www.stroudlocalhistorysociety.org.uk/research/daniels/
> 
> Shortly before it was to be shipped the UK had one of their little dock
> strikes. A 100 ton press refers to the clamping force and doesn't weigh
> 100 tons but shipping the thing air freight was a bit pricey. It would
> hardly fit into your carry on luggage.
> 
> Depending on international trade has its drawbacks.

As does unionised dock labour.

There are no dockers any more. Just one man in a crane and containers 
everywhere


-- 
"And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch".

Gospel of St. Mathew 15:14

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#89664

On Thu, 6 Aug 2026 12:37:41 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> On 05/08/2026 23:36, rbowman wrote:
>> I learned something else of value. We bought the bare press frame from
>> Daniels of Stroud.
>> 
>> https://www.stroudlocalhistorysociety.org.uk/research/daniels/
>> 
>> Shortly before it was to be shipped the UK had one of their little dock
>> strikes. A 100 ton press refers to the clamping force and doesn't weigh
>> 100 tons but shipping the thing air freight was a bit pricey. It would
>> hardly fit into your carry on luggage.
>> 
>> Depending on international trade has its drawbacks.
> 
> As does unionised dock labour.
> 
> There are no dockers any more. Just one man in a crane and containers
> everywhere

My brother-in-law was in the Merchant Marine as a deck officer. The switch 
to containers came early in his career. No more exploring foreign ports. 
Dock at 2AM, be off again by 6AM. While he had a master's rating he never 
sailed higher than 2nd mate, and then only for 6 months out of the year. 
The Masters, Mates & Pilots union was parceling out work in a dying 
industry. Dying for US flagged vessels, that is. I'd considered that 
career in high school as an engineering officer rather than a deck 
officer. Thankfully I went in another direction.

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#89669

On 06/08/2026 22:12, rbowman wrote:
> My brother-in-law was in the Merchant Marine as a deck officer. The switch
> to containers came early in his career. No more exploring foreign ports.
> Dock at 2AM, be off again by 6AM. While he had a master's rating he never
> sailed higher than 2nd mate, and then only for 6 months out of the year.
> The Masters, Mates & Pilots union was parceling out work in a dying
> industry. Dying for US flagged vessels, that is. I'd considered that
> career in high school as an engineering officer rather than a deck
> officer. Thankfully I went in another direction.

Yes. register your ship in Liberia and pick whatever crew you could get 
at below minimum wage.

Out of interest I looked it up. Crew on a large container ship can be as 
few as 10 and as many as 30, but no more than that.

Nice cheap way to push goods round the world

They will be nuclear in ten years, most likely

-- 
"It was a lot more fun being 20 in the 70's that it is being 70 in the 20's"
Joew Walsh

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#89679

On Thu, 6 Aug 2026 22:33:47 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> On 06/08/2026 22:12, rbowman wrote:
>> My brother-in-law was in the Merchant Marine as a deck officer. The
>> switch to containers came early in his career. No more exploring
>> foreign ports.
>> Dock at 2AM, be off again by 6AM. While he had a master's rating he
>> never sailed higher than 2nd mate, and then only for 6 months out of
>> the year.
>> The Masters, Mates & Pilots union was parceling out work in a dying
>> industry. Dying for US flagged vessels, that is. I'd considered that
>> career in high school as an engineering officer rather than a deck
>> officer. Thankfully I went in another direction.
> 
> Yes. register your ship in Liberia and pick whatever crew you could get
> at below minimum wage.

Jack London's 'The Mutiny of the Elsinore'  isn't one of his works on 
reading lists like 'Call of the Wild'.

https://obdg.blogspot.com/2013/05/the-mutiny-of-elsinore-by-jack-
london.html

He might be describing the crew of a Liberian vessel. The socialists would 
like to include London in their fold but they have to tread very lightly. 

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#89681

On 8/7/26 00:45, rbowman wrote:
> On Thu, 6 Aug 2026 22:33:47 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> 
>> On 06/08/2026 22:12, rbowman wrote:
>>> My brother-in-law was in the Merchant Marine as a deck officer. The
>>> switch to containers came early in his career. No more exploring
>>> foreign ports.
>>> Dock at 2AM, be off again by 6AM. While he had a master's rating he
>>> never sailed higher than 2nd mate, and then only for 6 months out of
>>> the year.
>>> The Masters, Mates & Pilots union was parceling out work in a dying
>>> industry. Dying for US flagged vessels, that is. I'd considered that
>>> career in high school as an engineering officer rather than a deck
>>> officer. Thankfully I went in another direction.
>>
>> Yes. register your ship in Liberia and pick whatever crew you could get
>> at below minimum wage.
> 
> Jack London's 'The Mutiny of the Elsinore'  isn't one of his works on
> reading lists like 'Call of the Wild'.
> 
> https://obdg.blogspot.com/2013/05/the-mutiny-of-elsinore-by-jack-
> london.html
> 
> He might be describing the crew of a Liberian vessel. The socialists would
> like to include London in their fold but they have to tread very lightly.

   Well, sometimes London sounded like a 'socialist'
   but really he wasn't. They can try to STEAL and
   BIAS his stuff but they won't be entirely successful.

   Alas the modern gens won't REALIZE the distortions ...
   in USA "history" is kind of forbidden now, you can
   ONLY teach the ultra-left 'truths' to the kiddies
   Or ELSE.

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#89685

On 07/08/2026 06:57, c186282 wrote:
> Alas the modern gens won't REALIZE the distortions ...
>    in USA "history" is kind of forbidden now, you can
>    ONLY teach the ultra-left 'truths' to the kiddies
>    Or ELSE.

Instead of creationism...
TBH I see the USA more than any other country as bing torn apart by two 
different lies, while the truth dares not show its face...

-- 
"In our post-modern world, climate science is not powerful because it is 
true: it is true because it is powerful."

Lucas Bergkamp

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#89713

On Fri, 7 Aug 2026 11:44:03 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> On 07/08/2026 06:57, c186282 wrote:
>> Alas the modern gens won't REALIZE the distortions ...
>>    in USA "history" is kind of forbidden now, you can ONLY teach the
>>    ultra-left 'truths' to the kiddies Or ELSE.
> 
> Instead of creationism...
> TBH I see the USA more than any other country as bing torn apart by two
> different lies, while the truth dares not show its face...

What is truth? The US was founded on Enlightenment principles that were 
either lies or wishful thinking depending on your personal preferences.

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#89715

On 07/08/2026 21:08, rbowman wrote:
> On Fri, 7 Aug 2026 11:44:03 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> 
>> On 07/08/2026 06:57, c186282 wrote:
>>> Alas the modern gens won't REALIZE the distortions ...
>>>     in USA "history" is kind of forbidden now, you can ONLY teach the
>>>     ultra-left 'truths' to the kiddies Or ELSE.
>>
>> Instead of creationism...
>> TBH I see the USA more than any other country as bing torn apart by two
>> different lies, while the truth dares not show its face...
> 
> What is truth? The US was founded on Enlightenment principles that were
> either lies or wishful thinking depending on your personal preferences.

Well it is of course3 'whatever is the case'

That is, it is the basic reality that we can all agree on without arguing.

Politics is mostly weaponised bullshit.


-- 
Canada is all right really, though not for the whole weekend.

"Saki"

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#89712

On Fri, 7 Aug 2026 01:57:20 -0400, c186282 wrote:

>   Well, sometimes London sounded like a 'socialist'
>    but really he wasn't. They can try to STEAL and BIAS his stuff but
>    they won't be entirely successful.

https://www.online-literature.com/london/3875/

https://cosmonautmag.com/2025/08/the-idiosyncratic-socialism-of-jack-
london/

Had he lived London might have been comfortable with Otto Strasser's Black 
Front or Durgin's National Bolshevism or other third way movements. The 
DSA would make him vomit. 

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#89725

On 8/7/26 16:06, rbowman wrote:
> On Fri, 7 Aug 2026 01:57:20 -0400, c186282 wrote:
> 
>>    Well, sometimes London sounded like a 'socialist'
>>     but really he wasn't. They can try to STEAL and BIAS his stuff but
>>     they won't be entirely successful.
> 
> https://www.online-literature.com/london/3875/
> 
> https://cosmonautmag.com/2025/08/the-idiosyncratic-socialism-of-jack-
> london/
> 
> Had he lived London might have been comfortable with Otto Strasser's Black
> Front or Durgin's National Bolshevism or other third way movements. The
> DSA would make him vomit.

   Today's news, Fox I think, some DSA high-up
   demanding "Marxist-Leninist PUNISHMENT" for
   other Dems who won't suck up.

   "Marxist-Leninist punishment" means *EXECUTION*.

   Time to CRUSH these dangerous assholes.

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#89684

On 07/08/2026 05:45, rbowman wrote:
> On Thu, 6 Aug 2026 22:33:47 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> 
>> On 06/08/2026 22:12, rbowman wrote:
>>> My brother-in-law was in the Merchant Marine as a deck officer. The
>>> switch to containers came early in his career. No more exploring
>>> foreign ports.
>>> Dock at 2AM, be off again by 6AM. While he had a master's rating he
>>> never sailed higher than 2nd mate, and then only for 6 months out of
>>> the year.
>>> The Masters, Mates & Pilots union was parceling out work in a dying
>>> industry. Dying for US flagged vessels, that is. I'd considered that
>>> career in high school as an engineering officer rather than a deck
>>> officer. Thankfully I went in another direction.
>>
>> Yes. register your ship in Liberia and pick whatever crew you could get
>> at below minimum wage.
> 
> Jack London's 'The Mutiny of the Elsinore'  isn't one of his works on
> reading lists like 'Call of the Wild'.
> 
> https://obdg.blogspot.com/2013/05/the-mutiny-of-elsinore-by-jack-
> london.html
> 
> He might be describing the crew of a Liberian vessel. The socialists would
> like to include London in their fold but they have to tread very lightly.
> 
The socialists want to appropriate everything popular. I wonder how they 
would get on with 'sometimes a great notion' [book]


-- 
"In our post-modern world, climate science is not powerful because it is 
true: it is true because it is powerful."

Lucas Bergkamp

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#89675

On 8/6/26 07:37, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 05/08/2026 23:36, rbowman wrote:
>> I learned something else of value. We bought the bare press frame from
>> Daniels of Stroud.
>>
>> https://www.stroudlocalhistorysociety.org.uk/research/daniels/
>>
>> Shortly before it was to be shipped the UK had one of their little dock
>> strikes. A 100 ton press refers to the clamping force and doesn't weigh
>> 100 tons but shipping the thing air freight was a bit pricey. It would
>> hardly fit into your carry on luggage.
>>
>> Depending on international trade has its drawbacks.
> 
> As does unionised dock labour.
> 
> There are no dockers any more. Just one man in a crane and containers 
> everywhere

   Loved the story a few years ago when they realized
   that all those huge cranes had Chinese cameras in
   them - which phoned home. Ergo the CCP could track
   ALL containers across the entire world :-)

   Sometimes the most effective spying is very subtle.

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#89704

On 2026-08-07, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote:

>    Loved the story a few years ago when they realized
>    that all those huge cranes had Chinese cameras in
>    them - which phoned home. Ergo the CCP could track
>    ALL containers across the entire world :-)

I love the way people get so upset about things like this
but think that Google Analytics is OK.

>    Sometimes the most effective spying is very subtle.

Yup.

-- 
/~\  Charlie Gibbs                  |  In this world there are
\ /  <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>      |  two kinds of people:
 X   I'm really at ac.dekanfrus     |  1. Those who can extrapolate
/ \  if you read it the right way.  |  from incomplete data.

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#89723

On 8/7/26 15:16, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
> On 2026-08-07, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote:
> 
>>     Loved the story a few years ago when they realized
>>     that all those huge cranes had Chinese cameras in
>>     them - which phoned home. Ergo the CCP could track
>>     ALL containers across the entire world :-)
> 
> I love the way people get so upset about things like this
> but think that Google Analytics is OK.
> 
>>     Sometimes the most effective spying is very subtle.
> 
> Yup.
> 

   I don't think GA is especially good either.

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#89621

On 8/5/26 13:42, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 05/08/2026 15:09, rbowman wrote:
>> On Wed, 5 Aug 2026 02:55:04 -0400, c186282 wrote:
>>
>>>     Not sure how much 'steppers' were involved in THESE hacks. Sounds
>>>     more like spoofing instrument readings to cause downstream machinery
>>>     to run wild until it broke.
>>
>> Steppers faded away in the '70s. Mostly. Never underestimate the use of
>> obsolete tech in US infrastructure.
> 
> Steppers all over the place. Default thing to drive car instruments 
> these days. And 3D printers. And laser printers.

   And BIG stuff too !

   Nothing obsolete about steppers.

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#89620

On 8/5/26 10:09, rbowman wrote:
> On Wed, 5 Aug 2026 02:55:04 -0400, c186282 wrote:
> 
>>     Not sure how much 'steppers' were involved in THESE hacks. Sounds
>>     more like spoofing instrument readings to cause downstream machinery
>>     to run wild until it broke.
> 
> Steppers faded away in the '70s. Mostly. Never underestimate the use of
> obsolete tech in US infrastructure.

   Nothing wrong with steppers ...

   Even a lot of current tech - in the end
   it's running steppers. It's how mechanical
   stuff gets DONE in a quasi-quantifiable
   fashion.

   Or do you think DC/PWM gets it done ?
   Done that - NOT especially precise.

   At some point, 'software' has to translate
   into 'real world'. Best Dreams don't work
   valves and machines at the water plant.

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#89654

On Thu, 6 Aug 2026 02:18:42 -0400, c186282 wrote:

>    Nothing wrong with steppers ...
> 
>    Even a lot of current tech - in the end it's running steppers. It's
>    how mechanical stuff gets DONE in a quasi-quantifiable fashion.

See other posts about my use of 'steppers'. I should know by now to be 
more precise.

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#89638

On 2026-08-05 16:09, rbowman wrote:
> On Wed, 5 Aug 2026 02:55:04 -0400, c186282 wrote:
> 
>>     Not sure how much 'steppers' were involved in THESE hacks. Sounds
>>     more like spoofing instrument readings to cause downstream machinery
>>     to run wild until it broke.
> 
> Steppers faded away in the '70s. Mostly. Never underestimate the use of
> obsolete tech in US infrastructure.

If I understand correctly what steppers are, washing machines here have 
been using them till recently. My previous one had that.

-- 
Cheers,
        Carlos E.R.
        ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;

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#89667

On Thu, 6 Aug 2026 14:22:32 +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote:

> If I understand correctly what steppers are, washing machines here have
> been using them till recently. My previous one had that.

https://www.electronicsforu.com/electronics-projects/hardware-diy/washing-
machine-motor-controller

It would make sense. A stepping relay with timer inputs could get the job 
done. My relationship with washing machines consists in dropping quarters 
down the slot. The really is one laundromat in town that is coin operated 
rather than a card swipe. It's something to do with 5 pounds of quarters. 

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#89586

On 04/08/2026 19:07, rbowman wrote:
> the wiring harness being laced rather than
> using those new fangled nylon TyWraps.  Fortunately the girls, excuse me,
> female electronics technicians, were skilled in macrame.

I grew up with laced looms. Frankly a skilled operator can do them 
faster than tie-wraps, and cheaper. I can still lace.

-- 
"The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow witted 
man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest 
thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly 
persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of doubt, what is laid 
before him."

    - Leo Tolstoy

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