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| Started by | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| First post | 2026-08-04 00:53 -0400 |
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Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-04 00:53 -0400
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2026-08-04 06:19 +0000
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-08-04 07:52 +0100
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-05 00:45 -0400
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-08-05 09:22 +0100
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-05 12:08 +0100
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-05 12:04 +0100
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-05 13:56 +0000
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-08-05 17:45 +0100
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-05 18:47 +0100
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-05 18:46 +0100
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-06 14:34 +0200
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-06 14:16 +0100
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2026-08-06 20:31 +0200
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-06 21:45 +0100
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2026-08-07 08:45 +1000
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-06 20:03 +0000
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-06 21:49 +0100
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2026-08-06 08:59 +1000
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-06 02:25 -0400
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-06 12:55 +0100
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-06 20:10 +0000
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-06 22:02 +0100
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-06 12:53 +0100
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-06 20:13 +0000
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-06 22:08 +0100
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-07 03:52 +0000
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2026-08-07 08:40 +1000
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-04 07:00 +0000
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-08-04 08:45 +0100
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-04 17:23 +0000
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-08-04 18:43 +0100
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-05 02:18 -0400
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-08-05 09:27 +0100
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-05 12:00 +0100
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-05 11:56 +0100
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-05 02:10 -0400
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-08-05 09:29 +0100
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-05 12:18 +0100
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-05 11:49 +0100
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-05 00:47 -0400
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-05 06:03 +0000
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-05 03:34 -0400
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-05 12:17 +0100
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-05 12:10 +0100
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-04 11:24 +0100
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-04 17:30 +0000
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-05 02:14 -0400
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-05 11:51 +0100
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2026-08-04 15:04 +0200
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-08-04 17:03 +0100
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-05 01:53 -0400
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2026-08-05 19:47 +0200
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-05 18:51 +0100
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-05 18:57 +0100
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2026-08-05 20:14 +0200
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-05 19:49 +0100
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2026-08-06 11:12 +0200
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-06 12:15 +0100
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-06 18:22 +0000
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-06 21:39 +0100
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-07 02:27 +0000
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-06 23:37 -0400
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-05 22:03 +0000
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2026-08-06 11:03 +0200
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-06 18:32 +0000
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-06 02:22 -0400
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2026-08-06 11:12 +0200
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-06 12:09 +0100
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-06 12:57 +0100
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2026-08-06 14:14 +0100
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-06 14:18 +0100
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon wmartin <wwm@wwmartin.net> - 2026-08-06 09:55 -0700
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-06 18:48 +0000
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-06 18:42 +0000
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-06 21:43 +0100
Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-07 02:26 +0000
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-08-06 12:55 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <1151sno$3p218$13@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #89623 |
On 06/08/2026 07:25, c186282 wrote:
> Ummmm ... NEVER buy from Ali ...
ALWAYS buy from Ali. Just never again discrete semiconductors or
obsolete chips....
--
"Fanaticism consists in redoubling your effort when you have
forgotten your aim."
George Santayana
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-08-06 20:10 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <ndk81mFf88dU8@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #89635 |
On Thu, 6 Aug 2026 12:55:36 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > On 06/08/2026 07:25, c186282 wrote: >> Ummmm ... NEVER buy from Ali ... > > ALWAYS buy from Ali. Just never again discrete semiconductors or > obsolete chips.... Your money, your choice. The word on the STM forums is you might as well participate in back alley crap games if you expect your AliExpress Black or Blue Pill to be other than a pill bug. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armadillidiidae My family always called them 'cellar bugs'. I don't know if it was the German influence like calling chives 'Schnittlauch' or because they lived in the cellar.
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-08-06 22:02 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <1152sp9$501h$6@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #89652 |
On 06/08/2026 21:10, rbowman wrote: > On Thu, 6 Aug 2026 12:55:36 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > >> On 06/08/2026 07:25, c186282 wrote: >>> Ummmm ... NEVER buy from Ali ... >> >> ALWAYS buy from Ali. Just never again discrete semiconductors or >> obsolete chips.... > > Your money, your choice. The word on the STM forums is you might as well > participate in back alley crap games if you expect your AliExpress Black > or Blue Pill to be other than a pill bug. > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armadillidiidae > > My family always called them 'cellar bugs'. I don't know if it was the > German influence like calling chives 'Schnittlauch' or because they lived > in the cellar. *shrug*. I have tools, I have boxes of screws, I have threaded bushes for 3D prints...I have PCBs with chips on that actually work. The only thing I got that was totally duff were some high voltage (allegedly) Darlingtons that weren't. They broke down until I stopped using them. I've got resistor packs, capacitor sets, mains RF chokes and so on all of which are very good quality. And of course SMPS units to power Pis and so on. Hi-Link is the company for those. I repaired loudspeakers with GXAMP parts . They (Ali express) were the only place for full 15A/240VAC relays. I bought a pair of small brushless motors with controllers. One of the controllers caught fire as soon as I plugged it in. I downloaded a return material auth,sent the damaged unit back and they refunded the money. So I ended up with one set for free. My PCBs are made in China too. No problems ever. About 10 day turn round. Only VAT charged on the stuff, and Aliexpress do that at source. Some vendors are criminals. Most are not. -- The difference bweteen a psychopath and a saint is that the psychpoath takes what he can and gives only what he must, but the saint gives everything he can and takes only what he needs.
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-08-06 12:53 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <1151ska$3p218$12@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #89619 |
On 05/08/2026 23:59, Computer Nerd Kev wrote: > The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote: >> On 05/08/2026 05:45, c186282 wrote: >>> As you're quoting BRIT currency ... >>> >>> But once the units are offered in USA and >>> maybe others ... MASSIVE price increase. >> >> Blame King Donald's import taxes. >> And its isolationist stance. >> >> Once I ordered like $120 worth of small parts from a US supplier. >> The transport, import duty, VAT and handling charges doubled that. >> >> I can import small stuff from china with none of that. > > I guess you actually believe the postage quotes on sites like > AliExpress then? No need. They have proved to be 100% accurate > In that case I'll bet some Chinese seller there > has a RPi Zero for something like $10, but with $60 for delivery, > while another has one for $60 and $10 delivery. Pick the deal that > looks best to you! > Nope. Ive bought a ton of stuff from Aliexpress. The more usual 'scam' is to advertise say a Pi zero for 80c, but when you go to the page that's just the plastic case...if you want a PCB and chips with that its $20 :-) Another one was for an excavator for $1500 - that turned out to be the deposit on one to be delivered later at a total cost of $12000...depending on options > True most companies in the USA do want at least twice as much to > send things to me in Australia as it costs me to send things to the > USA. But it's not half as bad as the UK where the costs often start > at over $100 to send anything to Aus these days. Though I guess > because many UK/USA companies insist on only sending international > orders by courier for some reason. Courier services can be > expensive from China as well. Most couriers now just hand over to > the local postal service once the parcel reaches Aus so I still > have to drive to town to pick the thing up from the post office > myself anyway. > Too many vendors got their fingers burned sending by international post. Parcels just 'disappeared' I couriered some documents to my niece in South Africa for just £20 took tow days only! > On the up side, thanks to the Aus government's weak attempt at > taxing imports you often skip having to pay GST (though AliExpress, > and sometimes Ebay, charge it). The UK used to be almost as weak on > that too, but like the EU they're copying the USA now and > tightening up on it. Trump has shown the world how to tax imports > more effectively (after a massive amount of initial disruption), if > that's something to be proud of... > Trump still thinks that isolation is possible or even desirable in the 21st century What a dork! -- The higher up the mountainside The greener grows the grass. The higher up the monkey climbs The more he shows his arse. Traditional
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-08-06 20:13 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <ndk86fFf88dU9@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #89634 |
On Thu, 6 Aug 2026 12:53:46 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > Trump still thinks that isolation is possible or even desirable in the > 21st century He obviously doesn't believe that or he wouldn't be screwing around in West Asia.
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-08-06 22:08 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <1152t3h$501h$7@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #89653 |
On 06/08/2026 21:13, rbowman wrote: > On Thu, 6 Aug 2026 12:53:46 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > >> Trump still thinks that isolation is possible or even desirable in the >> 21st century > > He obviously doesn't believe that or he wouldn't be screwing around in > West Asia. Trump doesn't believe anything really. He is also beyond caring. He just says whatever floats into his mind from the last person he talked to. He has no plan. He just does stuff until the ratings go down, or someone stops paying him, then stops doing it... He just bluffs and bullshits his way and if some people clap he knows he said the right thing. He wont DO any of it mind you. It's all fluff and bollocks. -- In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. In practice, there is. -- Yogi Berra
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-08-07 03:52 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <ndl346Ff88dU23@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #89663 |
On Thu, 6 Aug 2026 22:08:01 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > On 06/08/2026 21:13, rbowman wrote: >> On Thu, 6 Aug 2026 12:53:46 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >> >>> Trump still thinks that isolation is possible or even desirable in the >>> 21st century >> >> He obviously doesn't believe that or he wouldn't be screwing around in >> West Asia. > Trump doesn't believe anything really. He is also beyond caring. He just > says whatever floats into his mind from the last person he talked to. > > He has no plan. He just does stuff until the ratings go down, or someone > stops paying him, then stops doing it... He seems to be ignoring the ratings. Other than the Christian Zionists and Jews there isn't much enthusiasm for the corner he's painted himself into. The Epstein files fiasco didn't help either. There may be nothing new in them but when you see someone burying something in the backyard it raises suspicions. His waffling on immigration is another point. The upcoming elections will be interesting. Midterms seldom generate a lot of general enthusiasm meaning both parties will have to deal with the more opinionated wings.
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| From | not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) |
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| Date | 2026-08-07 08:40 +1000 |
| Message-ID | <6a750d4e@news.ausics.net> |
| In reply to | #89634 |
The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote: > On 05/08/2026 23:59, Computer Nerd Kev wrote: >> The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote: >>> Once I ordered like $120 worth of small parts from a US supplier. >>> The transport, import duty, VAT and handling charges doubled that. >>> >>> I can import small stuff from china with none of that. >> >> I guess you actually believe the postage quotes on sites like >> AliExpress then? > > No need. They have proved to be 100% accurate "Accurate"? Well if you mean they charge you the same as what's shown then yes. If you mean it's always what they actually pay to send your item then you're being fooled. >> In that case I'll bet some Chinese seller there >> has a RPi Zero for something like $10, but with $60 for delivery, >> while another has one for $60 and $10 delivery. Pick the deal that >> looks best to you! >> > Nope. Ive bought a ton of stuff from Aliexpress. The more usual 'scam' > is to advertise say a Pi zero for 80c, but when you go to the page > that's just the plastic case...if you want a PCB and chips with that its > $20 :-) Yes, seen plenty of that, but I find the fake postage charges are more common. The thing off AliExpress that's waiting at the post office for me today is a prime example, where the same item is listed by two sellers on AliExpress, one appearing cheaper than the other on the search page. But the postage on the cheap one was significantly more than the other, so the higher-priced one was really much cheaper. In this case it was also really obvious in spite of the different listing images that the two sellers were really the same person/company, because both listings had the same typo in the title! As well as the seller, AliExpress themselves tried to scam me again this time by offering a coupon discount for ordering more than a certain total amount at once. Add the coupon, go through PayPal (not credit card) for payment, _then_ up comes a pop-up (actually along with another meaningless error pop-up, but that's typical because their website is as terriby made as half of the junk that's sold there), to say that the coupon has expired, and raises the price. Obviously you're expected to have added extra things to your cart to reach a greater coupon discount teir, then when you see that message you're meant shrug and go ahead ordering the extra junk you added at full price anyway. The blatant dishonesty does put me off a lot of the time, but sometimes AliExpress is still a lot cheaper than even Chinese sellers on Ebay, who are no more honest anyway (although I do have marginally more faith in Ebay themselves). Plus some manufacturers such as, (back on topic) Banana Pi, use it as their official store. > Another one was for an excavator for $1500 - that turned out to be the > deposit on one to be delivered later at a total cost of > $12000...depending on options > >> True most companies in the USA do want at least twice as much to >> send things to me in Australia as it costs me to send things to the >> USA. But it's not half as bad as the UK where the costs often start >> at over $100 to send anything to Aus these days. Though I guess >> because many UK/USA companies insist on only sending international >> orders by courier for some reason. Courier services can be >> expensive from China as well. Most couriers now just hand over to >> the local postal service once the parcel reaches Aus so I still >> have to drive to town to pick the thing up from the post office >> myself anyway. >> > Too many vendors got their fingers burned sending by international post. > Parcels just 'disappeared' Like I say, many go over to local post once they get here now, so they're just as likely to disappear at that stage. They probably get insurance included to cover refunds in such cases, but you can get that from the local postal service for international parcels sent through them anyway (though it can take months to work through the process of making a claim). > I couriered some documents to my niece in South Africa for just ?20 took > tow days only! Actually when they were really coming by courier, parcels usually got to the nearest city really quick, then waited there for a couple of weeks until they got around to making the expedition out to where I live. Delivering to the post office does often work out quicker in that regard. However the thing is I'm almost never in a hurry in the first place - I'm forced to pay triple the cost to get something (at least to the nearest city) next week, then it sits around for a week or two before I get up to the stage of needing it for whatever project I'm working on anyway. Or it just costs so much that I don't order at all. -- __ __ #_ < |\| |< _#
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-08-04 07:00 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <nddgviF4198U30@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #89529 |
On Tue, 4 Aug 2026 00:53:21 -0400, c186282 wrote: > Just checked. $79 USD on Amazon. Just the bare board, no accessories. > > Weren't these things supposed to be under $10 ??? > > Wow ! > > Memory chip production redirection surely plays its part - but beyond > even that ... > > A 2-Zero is SUPPOSED to be the next thing to electronic NOTHING. What > the fuck has happened ??? https://www.howtogeek.com/the-raspberry-pis-reign-is-quietly-ending/ The Canakit link shows the bare board as sold out. https://www.amazon.com/SANOOV-Raspberry-Aluminum-Heatsink-HDMI-USB/dp/ B0FX3SCP5F $78 with a heat sink and a couple of adapters. The price history graph isn't the greatest but it looks like about $30 in March. Then it took off, gaining $14 in the last 30 days.
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| From | Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> |
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| Date | 2026-08-04 08:45 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <nddjiiF62vkU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #89537 |
rbowman wrote: > c186282 wrote: > >> Just checked. $79 USD on Amazon. Just the bare board, no accessories. >> Weren't these things supposed to be under $10 ??? > > https://www.amazon.com/SANOOV-Raspberry-Aluminum-Heatsink-HDMI-USB/dp/ > B0FX3SCP5F > > $78 with a heat sink and a couple of adapters. The price history graph > isn't the greatest but it looks like about $30 in March. Then it took off, > gaining $14 in the last 30 days. Find a better place to buy? I see them from $15 at digikey in the USA <https://rpilocator.com/?country=US&cat=PIZERO2>
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-08-04 17:23 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <ndelguF4198U33@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #89541 |
On Tue, 4 Aug 2026 08:45:04 +0100, Andy Burns wrote: > rbowman wrote: > >> c186282 wrote: >> >>> Just checked. $79 USD on Amazon. Just the bare board, no accessories. >>> Weren't these things supposed to be under $10 ??? >> >> https://www.amazon.com/SANOOV-Raspberry-Aluminum-Heatsink-HDMI-USB/dp/ >> B0FX3SCP5F >> >> $78 with a heat sink and a couple of adapters. The price history graph >> isn't the greatest but it looks like about $30 in March. Then it took >> off, >> gaining $14 in the last 30 days. > > Find a better place to buy? I see them from $15 at digikey in the USA > > <https://rpilocator.com/?country=US&cat=PIZERO2> If you go to DigiKey's site you'll find there are 0 in stock. There is a 'check lead time' option that says they will be available 6/7/2027. I've seen this in the early '80s when lead times were a year or more. Before starting a design you researched what you could buy. Motorola was particularly bad as they responded to increased demand in the automotive industry as cars became more sophisticated. The Amazon pricing probably reflects a vendor who has stock on hand and is gouging for all they're worth, or should I say responding to the law of supply and demand. The problem is if Part B is designed in because of temporary shortage of Part A, there is little future incentive to go back to Part A.
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| From | Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> |
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| Date | 2026-08-04 18:43 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <ndemknFbh67U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #89552 |
rbowman wrote: > Andy Burns wrote: > >> Find a better place to buy? I see them from $15 at digikey in the USA >> >> <https://rpilocator.com/?country=US&cat=PIZERO2> > > If you go to DigiKey's site you'll find there are 0 in stock. There is a > 'check lead time' option that says they will be available 6/7/2027. I did, but the locator site said they had stock yesterday, not sure if they actually did or not? I did manage to buy a zero a couple of weeks ago within the UK (both non-W and 2W were available at that time, I specifically didn't want a 2W) > I've seen this in the early '80s when lead times were a year or more. > Before starting a design you researched what you could buy. Motorola was > particularly bad as they responded to increased demand in the automotive > industry as cars became more sophisticated. > > The Amazon pricing probably reflects a vendor who has stock on hand and is > gouging for all they're worth, or should I say responding to the law of > supply and demand. If you look at the feedback of the marketplace supplier, there 1 star reviews from people calling them cunts, so I'd probably avoid ... > The problem is if Part B is designed in because of temporary shortage of > Part A, there is little future incentive to go back to Part A. As someone mentioned maybe Ukraine and/or Russia are buying them up?
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2026-08-05 02:18 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <S3Kdnb7an-cZSO_3nZ2dnZfqn_GdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #89554 |
On 8/4/26 13:43, Andy Burns wrote: > rbowman wrote: > >> Andy Burns wrote: >> >>> Find a better place to buy? I see them from $15 at digikey in the USA >>> >>> <https://rpilocator.com/?country=US&cat=PIZERO2> >> >> If you go to DigiKey's site you'll find there are 0 in stock. There is a >> 'check lead time' option that says they will be available 6/7/2027. > > I did, but the locator site said they had stock yesterday, not sure if > they actually did or not? I did manage to buy a zero a couple of weeks > ago within the UK (both non-W and 2W were available at that time, I > specifically didn't want a 2W) USA has NO real equivs to the PI line. Maybe should, but doesn't. The current trade wars/adjustments ... things like PIs just got SCREWED. Short supplies, inflated prices. It WILL get better, but not THIS year. Oh, price MEMORY - SDs/M.2/etc - almost the ENTIRE world production has been shifted towards the "AI" market. For Joe Consumer - NADA !
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| From | Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> |
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| Date | 2026-08-05 09:27 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <ndgaelFja95U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #89577 |
c186282 wrote: > The current trade wars/adjustments ... things > like PIs just got SCREWED. Short supplies, > inflated prices. They were screwed a couple of years ago (pandemic) and had got back to normalish, now AI sucking up RAM and flash production. Personally I think the Pi5 has got too big for its boots. > It WILL get better, but not THIS year. > > Oh, price MEMORY - SDs/M.2/etc - almost > the ENTIRE world production has been > shifted towards the "AI" market. For > Joe Consumer - NADA ! My hope is that big-AI realises it's not making profits and gives up, no doubt a second wave would step-in thinking they could do better ...
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-08-05 12:00 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <114v557$2spu9$9@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #89584 |
On 05/08/2026 09:27, Andy Burns wrote: > My hope is that big-AI realises it's not making profits and gives up, no > doubt a second wave would step-in thinking they could do better ... I am not sure that big AI will ever prove profitable. A decade ago I was briefly involved with LCD panel economics. Not one of the half dozen panel manufacturers had repaid the debt they accrued to build the factories. The hope was that LCD panel manufacture would be like nuclear power stations - all the profit happened after the first 20 years of operation. But nukes provide something the world needs and wants. I am not sure AI does. -- No Apple devices were knowingly used in the preparation of this post.
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-08-05 11:56 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <114v4sr$2spu9$8@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #89554 |
On 04/08/2026 18:43, Andy Burns wrote: > rbowman wrote: > >> Andy Burns wrote: >> >>> Find a better place to buy? I see them from $15 at digikey in the USA >>> >>> <https://rpilocator.com/?country=US&cat=PIZERO2> >> >> If you go to DigiKey's site you'll find there are 0 in stock. There is a >> 'check lead time' option that says they will be available 6/7/2027. > > I did, but the locator site said they had stock yesterday, not sure if > they actually did or not? I did manage to buy a zero a couple of weeks > ago within the UK (both non-W and 2W were available at that time, I > specifically didn't want a 2W) > My local supplier hasnt a single zero of any sort in stock >> I've seen this in the early '80s when lead times were a year or more. >> Before starting a design you researched what you could buy. Motorola was >> particularly bad as they responded to increased demand in the automotive >> industry as cars became more sophisticated. >> >> The Amazon pricing probably reflects a vendor who has stock on hand >> and is >> gouging for all they're worth, or should I say responding to the law of >> supply and demand. > > If you look at the feedback of the marketplace supplier, there 1 star > reviews from people calling them cunts, so I'd probably avoid ... > Handy sort of review... >> The problem is if Part B is designed in because of temporary shortage of >> Part A, there is little future incentive to go back to Part A. > There are still PI 3s available > As someone mentioned maybe Ukraine and/or Russia are buying them up? > Why wouldn't they? -- Climate Change: Socialism wearing a lab coat.
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2026-08-05 02:10 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <S3Kdnb_an-c_Tu_3nZ2dnZfqn_GdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #89552 |
On 8/4/26 13:23, rbowman wrote: > On Tue, 4 Aug 2026 08:45:04 +0100, Andy Burns wrote: > >> rbowman wrote: >> >>> c186282 wrote: >>> >>>> Just checked. $79 USD on Amazon. Just the bare board, no accessories. >>>> Weren't these things supposed to be under $10 ??? >>> >>> https://www.amazon.com/SANOOV-Raspberry-Aluminum-Heatsink-HDMI-USB/dp/ >>> B0FX3SCP5F >>> >>> $78 with a heat sink and a couple of adapters. The price history graph >>> isn't the greatest but it looks like about $30 in March. Then it took >>> off, >>> gaining $14 in the last 30 days. >> >> Find a better place to buy? I see them from $15 at digikey in the USA >> >> <https://rpilocator.com/?country=US&cat=PIZERO2> > > If you go to DigiKey's site you'll find there are 0 in stock. There is a > 'check lead time' option that says they will be available 6/7/2027. ust The current "trade adjustments" have had an effect. Alas a lot of stuff that was NOT a drag on the USA got caught up in this shit. "Collateral Damage". It WILL improve ... but not THIS year. USA, alas, has NOTHING like PIs. Should, but doesn't. Everything HERE is now kinda dedicated to "AI" - can't even get Mem/Storage. DID try an "Orange PI" ... it was NOT really "compatible" though. Could FORCE it to kind- of work ... but ......
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| From | Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> |
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| Date | 2026-08-05 09:29 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <ndgaibFja95U2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #89574 |
c186282 wrote: > DID try an "Orange PI" ... it was NOT really > "compatible" though. Could FORCE it to kind- > of work ... but ...... All the banana/orange pis are at a disadvantage they just don't have the level of support that raspberry have behind them.
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-08-05 12:18 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <114v669$2spu9$14@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #89585 |
On 05/08/2026 09:29, Andy Burns wrote: > c186282 wrote: > >> DID try an "Orange PI" ... it was NOT really >> "compatible" though. Could FORCE it to kind- >> of work ... but ...... > > All the banana/orange pis are at a disadvantage they just don't have the > level of support that raspberry have behind them. > +1 -- "A point of view can be a dangerous luxury when substituted for insight and understanding". Marshall McLuhan
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-08-05 11:49 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <114v4f1$2spu9$6@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #89552 |
On 04/08/2026 18:23, rbowman wrote: > The problem is if Part B is designed in because of temporary shortage of > Part A, there is little future incentive to go back to Part A. Indeed. Some huge marketing failures hinge on that particular point -- The New Left are the people they warned you about.
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