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  Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-04 00:53 -0400
    Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2026-08-04 06:19 +0000
    Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-08-04 07:52 +0100
      Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-05 00:45 -0400
        Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-08-05 09:22 +0100
          Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-05 12:08 +0100
        Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-05 12:04 +0100
          Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-05 13:56 +0000
            Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-08-05 17:45 +0100
              Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-05 18:47 +0100
            Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-05 18:46 +0100
          Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2026-08-06 08:59 +1000
            Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-06 02:25 -0400
    Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-04 07:00 +0000
      Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-08-04 08:45 +0100
        Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-04 17:23 +0000
          Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-08-04 18:43 +0100
            Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-05 02:18 -0400
              Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-08-05 09:27 +0100
                Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-05 12:00 +0100
            Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-05 11:56 +0100
          Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-05 02:10 -0400
            Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-08-05 09:29 +0100
              Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-05 12:18 +0100
          Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-05 11:49 +0100
      Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-05 00:47 -0400
        Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-05 06:03 +0000
          Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-05 03:34 -0400
          Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-05 12:17 +0100
        Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-05 12:10 +0100
    Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-04 11:24 +0100
      Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-04 17:30 +0000
        Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-05 02:14 -0400
        Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-05 11:51 +0100
    Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2026-08-04 15:04 +0200
      Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-08-04 17:03 +0100
      Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-05 01:53 -0400
        Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2026-08-05 19:47 +0200
          Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-05 18:51 +0100
          Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-05 18:57 +0100
            Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2026-08-05 20:14 +0200
              Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-05 19:49 +0100
              Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-05 22:03 +0000
              Re: Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-06 02:22 -0400

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#89529 — Note : Pi 2 Zero W Now RIP-OFF Price on Amazon

Just checked. $79 USD on Amazon. Just the
bare board, no accessories.

Weren't these things supposed to be under $10 ???

Wow !

Memory chip production redirection surely
plays its part - but beyond even that ...

A 2-Zero is SUPPOSED to be the next thing
to electronic NOTHING. What the fuck has
happened ???

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#89533

In article <LtednTA-66O_7ez3nZ2dnZfqnPednZ2d@giganews.com>,
c186282  <c186282@nnada.net> wrote:
>Just checked. $79 USD on Amazon. Just the
>bare board, no accessories.
>
>Weren't these things supposed to be under $10 ???
>
>Wow !
>
>Memory chip production redirection surely
>plays its part - but beyond even that ...
>
>A 2-Zero is SUPPOSED to be the next thing
>to electronic NOTHING. What the fuck has
>happened ???
>

Clearly, the age of cheap tech is over and done.
This is well documented.
(Yes, $80 is ridiculous, but so it goes)

But, to be fair, the Zero 2 is more like a regular Pi than it is like an
original Zero.  It was never less than $10.  It has always been about $20.

The original Zero, at $5, was truly a bargain.  But I don't think we'll
ever see that again.

-- 
Faced with the choice between changing one's mind and proving that there is
no need to do so, almost everyone gets busy on the proof. 

    - John Kenneth Galbraith -

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#89536

c186282 wrote:

> Just checked. $79 USD on Amazon. Just the
> bare board, no accessories.
> 
> Weren't these things supposed to be under $10 ???
I bought a Pi Zero (non-W) for £7.58 + tax + p&p = £13.60 the other 
week, from a distributor.  They have the Zero 2W for £11.37 + tax + p&p

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#89567

On 8/4/26 02:52, Andy Burns wrote:
> c186282 wrote:
> 
>> Just checked. $79 USD on Amazon. Just the
>> bare board, no accessories.
>>
>> Weren't these things supposed to be under $10 ???
> I bought a Pi Zero (non-W) for £7.58 + tax + p&p = £13.60 the other 
> week, from a distributor.  They have the Zero 2W for £11.37 + tax + p&p

   As you're quoting BRIT currency ...

   But once the units are offered in USA and
   maybe others ... MASSIVE price increase.

   This is not sustainable. Not gonna buy ANY
   PIs again anytime soon. This is 300 million
   or more customers GONE.

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#89583

c186282 wrote:

>    As you're quoting BRIT currency ...
>    But once the units are offered in USA and
>    maybe others ... MASSIVE price increase.

Nothing stopping you from buying from a UK seller (if they have stock) 
what tariffs get applied at your end, who knows?

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#89594

On 05/08/2026 09:22, Andy Burns wrote:
> c186282 wrote:
> 
>>    As you're quoting BRIT currency ...
>>    But once the units are offered in USA and
>>    maybe others ... MASSIVE price increase.
> 
> Nothing stopping you from buying from a UK seller (if they have stock) 
> what tariffs get applied at your end, who knows?

Jump on an Airbus, Come to Europe., fill your boots and sell em on ebay 
in the USA.
Its called arbitrage.

However there seems to be a worldwide shortage of Zeros.

-- 
"A point of view can be a dangerous luxury when substituted for insight 
and understanding".

Marshall McLuhan

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#89593

On 05/08/2026 05:45, c186282 wrote:
> On 8/4/26 02:52, Andy Burns wrote:
>> c186282 wrote:
>>
>>> Just checked. $79 USD on Amazon. Just the
>>> bare board, no accessories.
>>>
>>> Weren't these things supposed to be under $10 ???
>> I bought a Pi Zero (non-W) for £7.58 + tax + p&p = £13.60 the other 
>> week, from a distributor.  They have the Zero 2W for £11.37 + tax + p&p
> 
>    As you're quoting BRIT currency ...
> 
>    But once the units are offered in USA and
>    maybe others ... MASSIVE price increase.

Blame King Donald's import taxes.
And its isolationist stance.

Once I ordered like $120 worth of small parts from a US supplier.
The transport, import duty, VAT  and handling charges doubled that.

I can import small stuff from china with none of that.

> 
>    This is not sustainable. Not gonna buy ANY
>    PIs again anytime soon. This is 300 million
>    or more customers GONE.
> 
King Donald doesn't want you to. So that's OK isn't it?


-- 
Any fool can believe in principles -  and most of them do!

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#89600

On Wed, 5 Aug 2026 12:04:41 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> Blame King Donald's import taxes.
> And its isolationist stance.
> 
> Once I ordered like $120 worth of small parts from a US supplier. The
> transport, import duty, VAT  and handling charges doubled that.

'Shipping & Handling' has always been a killer on small orders. Amazon 
quietly factors them in for Prime orders but it's still better than 
DigiKey for example. 

afaik Trump has not control over UK's import duty or VAT. Talk to Burnham 
or the PM of the moment.

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#89603

rbowman wrote:

> 'Shipping & Handling' has always been a killer on small orders. Amazon
> quietly factors them in for Prime orders but it's still better than
> DigiKey for example.
> 
> afaik Trump has not control over UK's import duty or VAT. Talk to Burnham
> or the PM of the moment.

I think import duty on electronic components (like a Pi) is 0%, it'll 
attract VAT at 20% but that's the same as if I bought one from a local 
shop.  If the total value is over £135 the post office (or equivalent) 
is likely to charge a fee for collecting any vat+duty ...

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#89607

On 05/08/2026 17:45, Andy Burns wrote:
> rbowman wrote:
> 
>> 'Shipping & Handling' has always been a killer on small orders. Amazon
>> quietly factors them in for Prime orders but it's still better than
>> DigiKey for example.
>>
>> afaik Trump has not control over UK's import duty or VAT. Talk to Burnham
>> or the PM of the moment.
> 
> I think import duty on electronic components (like a Pi) is 0%, it'll 
> attract VAT at 20% but that's the same as if I bought one from a local 
> shop.  If the total value is over £135 the post office (or equivalent) 
> is likely to charge a fee for collecting any vat+duty ...
> 
> 
Aliexpress charges and pays the VAT. And the UK carriage.postage charges.

They WANT to do business. US firms don't.

-- 
In todays liberal progressive conflict-free education system, everyone 
gets full Marx.

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#89605

On 05/08/2026 14:56, rbowman wrote:
> On Wed, 5 Aug 2026 12:04:41 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> 
>> Blame King Donald's import taxes.
>> And its isolationist stance.
>>
>> Once I ordered like $120 worth of small parts from a US supplier. The
>> transport, import duty, VAT  and handling charges doubled that.
> 
> 'Shipping & Handling' has always been a killer on small orders. Amazon
> quietly factors them in for Prime orders but it's still better than
> DigiKey for example.
> 
> afaik Trump has not control over UK's import duty or VAT. Talk to Burnham
> or the PM of the moment.

Well in a way it has. China has an (unspoken?) arrangement that as long 
as VAT is paid - and Aliexpress does that - stuff get posted over really 
cheap on massive shipments that get split up and reposted in the 
destination country and there are no 'big beautiful tariffs' on it at all.

China wants to export. USA does not. USA does not want to import either. 
*shrug* you voted for it.



-- 
All political activity makes complete sense once the proposition that 
all government is basically a self-legalising protection racket, is 
fully understood.

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#89619

The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> On 05/08/2026 05:45, c186282 wrote:
>>    As you're quoting BRIT currency ...
>> 
>>    But once the units are offered in USA and
>>    maybe others ... MASSIVE price increase.
> 
> Blame King Donald's import taxes.
> And its isolationist stance.
> 
> Once I ordered like $120 worth of small parts from a US supplier.
> The transport, import duty, VAT  and handling charges doubled that.
> 
> I can import small stuff from china with none of that.

I guess you actually believe the postage quotes on sites like
AliExpress then? In that case I'll bet some Chinese seller there
has a RPi Zero for something like $10, but with $60 for delivery,
while another has one for $60 and $10 delivery. Pick the deal that
looks best to you!

True most companies in the USA do want at least twice as much to
send things to me in Australia as it costs me to send things to the
USA. But it's not half as bad as the UK where the costs often start
at over $100 to send anything to Aus these days. Though I guess
because many UK/USA companies insist on only sending international
orders by courier for some reason. Courier services can be
expensive from China as well. Most couriers now just hand over to
the local postal service once the parcel reaches Aus so I still
have to drive to town to pick the thing up from the post office
myself anyway.

On the up side, thanks to the Aus government's weak attempt at
taxing imports you often skip having to pay GST (though AliExpress,
and sometimes Ebay, charge it). The UK used to be almost as weak on
that too, but like the EU they're copying the USA now and
tightening up on it. Trump has shown the world how to tax imports
more effectively (after a massive amount of initial disruption), if
that's something to be proud of...

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#89623

Ummmm ... NEVER buy from Ali ... yer CC numbers
WILL create a disaster soon enough !

Anyway, USA, PI stuff has LONG cost at least
three or four times the UK price. This was long
before 'tariffs' and such.

Dunno what the fuck is going on.

But, now, it's become BAD.

WHY would I buy PI anymore ?

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#89537

On Tue, 4 Aug 2026 00:53:21 -0400, c186282 wrote:

> Just checked. $79 USD on Amazon. Just the bare board, no accessories.
> 
> Weren't these things supposed to be under $10 ???
> 
> Wow !
> 
> Memory chip production redirection surely plays its part - but beyond
> even that ...
> 
> A 2-Zero is SUPPOSED to be the next thing to electronic NOTHING. What
> the fuck has happened ???

https://www.howtogeek.com/the-raspberry-pis-reign-is-quietly-ending/

The Canakit link shows the bare board as sold out.

https://www.amazon.com/SANOOV-Raspberry-Aluminum-Heatsink-HDMI-USB/dp/
B0FX3SCP5F

$78 with a heat sink and a couple of adapters. The price history graph 
isn't the greatest but it looks like about $30 in March. Then it took off, 
gaining $14 in the last 30 days.

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#89541

rbowman wrote:

> c186282 wrote:
> 
>> Just checked. $79 USD on Amazon. Just the bare board, no accessories.
>> Weren't these things supposed to be under $10 ???
>
> https://www.amazon.com/SANOOV-Raspberry-Aluminum-Heatsink-HDMI-USB/dp/
> B0FX3SCP5F
> 
> $78 with a heat sink and a couple of adapters. The price history graph
> isn't the greatest but it looks like about $30 in March. Then it took off,
> gaining $14 in the last 30 days.

Find a better place to buy?  I see them from $15 at digikey in the USA

<https://rpilocator.com/?country=US&cat=PIZERO2>

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#89552

On Tue, 4 Aug 2026 08:45:04 +0100, Andy Burns wrote:

> rbowman wrote:
> 
>> c186282 wrote:
>> 
>>> Just checked. $79 USD on Amazon. Just the bare board, no accessories.
>>> Weren't these things supposed to be under $10 ???
>>
>> https://www.amazon.com/SANOOV-Raspberry-Aluminum-Heatsink-HDMI-USB/dp/
>> B0FX3SCP5F
>> 
>> $78 with a heat sink and a couple of adapters. The price history graph
>> isn't the greatest but it looks like about $30 in March. Then it took
>> off,
>> gaining $14 in the last 30 days.
> 
> Find a better place to buy?  I see them from $15 at digikey in the USA
> 
> <https://rpilocator.com/?country=US&cat=PIZERO2>

If you go to DigiKey's site you'll find there are 0 in stock. There is a 
'check lead time' option that says they will be available 6/7/2027.

I've seen this in the early '80s when lead times were a year or more. 
Before starting a design you researched what you could buy. Motorola was 
particularly bad as they responded to increased demand in the automotive 
industry as cars became more sophisticated. 

The Amazon pricing probably reflects a vendor who has stock on hand and is 
gouging for all they're worth, or should I say responding to the law of 
supply and demand. 

The problem is if Part B is designed in because of temporary shortage of 
Part A, there is little future incentive to go back to Part A. 

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#89554

rbowman wrote:

> Andy Burns wrote:
> 
>> Find a better place to buy?  I see them from $15 at digikey in the USA
>>
>> <https://rpilocator.com/?country=US&cat=PIZERO2>
> 
> If you go to DigiKey's site you'll find there are 0 in stock. There is a
> 'check lead time' option that says they will be available 6/7/2027.

I did, but the locator site said they had stock yesterday, not sure if 
they actually did or not?  I did manage to buy a zero a couple of weeks 
ago within the UK (both non-W and 2W were available at that time, I 
specifically didn't want a 2W)

> I've seen this in the early '80s when lead times were a year or more.
> Before starting a design you researched what you could buy. Motorola was
> particularly bad as they responded to increased demand in the automotive
> industry as cars became more sophisticated.
> 
> The Amazon pricing probably reflects a vendor who has stock on hand and is
> gouging for all they're worth, or should I say responding to the law of
> supply and demand.

If you look at the feedback of the marketplace supplier, there 1 star 
reviews from people calling them cunts, so I'd probably avoid ...

> The problem is if Part B is designed in because of temporary shortage of
> Part A, there is little future incentive to go back to Part A.

As someone mentioned maybe Ukraine and/or Russia are buying them up?

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#89577

On 8/4/26 13:43, Andy Burns wrote:
> rbowman wrote:
> 
>> Andy Burns wrote:
>>
>>> Find a better place to buy?  I see them from $15 at digikey in the USA
>>>
>>> <https://rpilocator.com/?country=US&cat=PIZERO2>
>>
>> If you go to DigiKey's site you'll find there are 0 in stock. There is a
>> 'check lead time' option that says they will be available 6/7/2027.
> 
> I did, but the locator site said they had stock yesterday, not sure if 
> they actually did or not?  I did manage to buy a zero a couple of weeks 
> ago within the UK (both non-W and 2W were available at that time, I 
> specifically didn't want a 2W)

   USA has NO real equivs to the PI line.

   Maybe should, but doesn't.

   The current trade wars/adjustments ... things
   like PIs just got SCREWED. Short supplies,
   inflated prices.

   It WILL get better, but not THIS year.

   Oh, price MEMORY - SDs/M.2/etc - almost
   the ENTIRE world production has been
   shifted towards the "AI" market. For
   Joe Consumer - NADA !

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#89584

c186282 wrote:

>    The current trade wars/adjustments ... things
>    like PIs just got SCREWED. Short supplies,
>    inflated prices.

They were screwed a couple of years ago (pandemic) and had got back to 
normalish, now AI sucking up RAM and flash production.

Personally I think the Pi5 has got too big for its boots.

>    It WILL get better, but not THIS year.
> 
>    Oh, price MEMORY - SDs/M.2/etc - almost
>    the ENTIRE world production has been
>    shifted towards the "AI" market. For
>    Joe Consumer - NADA !

My hope is that big-AI realises it's not making profits and gives up, no 
doubt a second wave would step-in thinking they could do better ...

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#89592

On 05/08/2026 09:27, Andy Burns wrote:
> My hope is that big-AI realises it's not making profits and gives up, no 
> doubt a second wave would step-in thinking they could do better ...

I am not sure that big AI will ever prove profitable.

A decade ago I was briefly involved with LCD panel economics. Not one of 
the half dozen panel manufacturers had repaid the debt they accrued to 
build the factories.

The hope was that LCD panel manufacture would be like nuclear power 
stations - all the profit happened after the first 20 years of operation.

But nukes provide something the world needs and wants. I am not sure AI 
does.


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