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| Started by | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| First post | 2026-07-26 01:09 -0400 |
| Last post | 2026-07-27 20:04 +0200 |
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Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-26 01:09 -0400
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-26 07:22 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-26 20:37 -0400
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-27 01:16 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late John McCue <jmclnx@gmail.com.invalid> - 2026-07-26 20:00 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-26 22:40 +0200
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-26 21:10 -0400
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Farley Flud <ff@gnulinux.rocks> - 2026-07-26 21:24 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-27 01:02 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Farley Flud <ff@gnulinux.rocks> - 2026-07-27 02:59 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-26 23:18 -0400
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Epherma <epherma@remort.app.invalid> - 2026-07-26 20:31 -0700
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Farley Flud <ff@gnulinux.rocks> - 2026-07-27 04:35 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-27 06:37 +0100
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-27 23:45 -0400
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-28 18:10 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Farley Flud <ff@gnulinux.rocks> - 2026-07-28 19:52 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Farley Flud <ff@gnulinux.rocks> - 2026-07-28 15:17 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-28 16:22 +0100
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-07-27 11:51 -0400
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Farley Flud <ff@gnulinux.rocks> - 2026-07-27 16:22 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-07-29 08:25 -0400
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-07-29 08:04 -0700
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-29 16:09 +0100
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-29 20:33 +0100
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-29 23:35 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-29 19:08 +0200
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-07-29 10:32 -0700
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-29 20:10 +0200
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-29 18:46 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-07-29 12:32 -0700
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-07-29 18:47 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-29 23:41 -0400
Flawed stereotypical joke (was: Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-31 12:31 +0100
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam2616@zugschl.us> - 2026-07-29 22:54 +0200
Re: Not Much Linux Stuff of Late Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-29 23:30 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-31 12:37 +0100
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-31 14:37 +0200
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-31 19:32 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-08-01 21:11 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-01 21:54 +0000
Re: Not Much Linux Stuff of Late Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-01 23:46 +0000
Re: Not Much Linux Stuff of Late Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-02 01:34 +0000
Re: Not Much Linux Stuff of Late c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-01 23:40 -0400
Re: Not Much Linux Stuff of Late Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-02 08:52 +0100
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-01 23:57 -0400
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-02 00:52 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam2616@zugschl.us> - 2026-08-02 06:03 +0200
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-02 05:23 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-02 01:38 -0400
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam2616@zugschl.us> - 2026-08-02 08:41 +0200
Re: Not Much Linux Stuff of Late Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-02 09:44 +0000
Re: Not Much Linux Stuff of Late Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam2616@zugschl.us> - 2026-08-02 15:29 +0200
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-29 18:42 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-29 23:38 -0400
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-30 04:04 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-30 12:33 +0200
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-30 19:03 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late "Stanislav N. aka pztrn" <no@email.please> - 2026-07-31 01:54 +0500
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-30 21:13 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> - 2026-07-30 23:47 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-31 04:53 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-31 01:11 -0400
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-31 14:47 +0200
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-31 14:47 +0100
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-01 14:22 +0200
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-01 14:15 +0100
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-01 19:07 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-02 11:14 +0100
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-02 20:02 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-02 23:16 -0400
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2026-08-01 23:46 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-02 11:25 +0100
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-31 19:47 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-31 04:45 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-31 01:00 -0400
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late "Stanislav N. aka pztrn" <no@email.please> - 2026-07-31 10:30 +0500
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-31 07:44 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> - 2026-07-30 23:30 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-31 05:02 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late "Stanislav N. aka pztrn" <no@email.please> - 2026-07-31 10:33 +0500
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-31 07:56 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-31 12:28 +0100
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late "Stanislav N. aka pztrn" <no@email.please> - 2026-07-31 17:23 +0500
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-31 20:27 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late "Stanislav N. aka pztrn" <no@email.please> - 2026-08-01 02:02 +0500
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-01 14:29 +0200
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-01 14:17 +0100
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-01 18:59 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-01 23:15 +0200
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-01 21:54 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-02 11:20 +0100
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-02 20:25 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-02 23:41 -0400
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-03 12:18 +0100
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-03 16:38 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-01 18:51 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-02 11:12 +0100
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-02 20:21 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-02 23:36 -0400
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-03 16:21 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late "Stanislav N. aka pztrn" <no@email.please> - 2026-08-01 23:54 +0500
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-01 23:39 +0100
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late "Stanislav N. aka pztrn" <pztrn@oldproto.invalid> - 2026-08-02 16:45 +0500
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-02 14:41 +0100
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-31 20:06 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-31 14:41 +0200
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-31 19:42 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-01 14:30 +0200
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-07-30 12:34 -0400
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-30 19:11 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-30 21:11 +0100
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Anton Antimo <anton@safunu.org> - 2026-07-30 14:05 -0300
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-31 05:04 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-31 01:31 -0400
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-07-30 14:51 -0700
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-31 12:21 +0100
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-31 19:35 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-07-31 12:54 -0400
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-31 19:50 +0100
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-08-01 07:53 -0400
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-01 14:12 +0100
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-01 18:35 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-01 21:32 -0400
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-02 11:26 +0100
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-08-03 08:54 -0400
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-31 19:05 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-29 16:07 +0100
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-27 04:42 +0000
Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread (was: Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-27 08:48 +0100
Re: Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-27 17:19 +0100
Re: Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread Farley Flud <ff@gnulinux.rocks> - 2026-07-27 16:40 +0000
Re: Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-27 21:22 +0000
Re: Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-07-27 14:44 -0700
Re: Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-27 23:37 +0000
Re: Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread Farley Flud <ff@gnulinux.rocks> - 2026-07-27 21:47 +0000
Re: Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread Farley Flud <ff@gnulinux.rocks> - 2026-07-28 00:24 +0000
Re: Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-28 04:23 +0000
Re: Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-27 23:46 +0000
Re: Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-28 10:07 +0100
Re: Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-07-29 01:50 +0000
Re: Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-07-29 07:58 -0700
Re: Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread Farley Flud <ff@gnulinux.rocks> - 2026-07-29 18:11 +0000
Re: Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-29 19:16 +0100
Re: Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-29 19:21 +0000
Re: Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-29 21:54 +0200
Re: Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-29 23:43 +0000
Re: Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread Farley Flud <ff@gnulinux.rocks> - 2026-07-29 21:36 +0000
Re: Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-29 23:51 +0000
Re: Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread Farley Flud <ff@gnulinux.rocks> - 2026-07-29 02:32 +0000
Re: Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-07-27 17:57 -0400
Re: Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-28 00:03 +0000
Re: Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-07-28 04:11 +0000
Re: Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-28 04:38 +0000
Re: Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-28 18:19 +0000
Re: Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-07-29 08:19 -0400
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Farley Flud <ff@gnulinux.rocks> - 2026-07-27 16:11 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-27 18:27 +0100
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-27 04:46 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Farley Flud <ff@gnulinux.rocks> - 2026-07-27 15:47 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-27 23:45 -0400
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-28 18:03 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-27 06:35 +0100
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-07-27 16:12 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-27 21:07 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-26 21:19 -0400
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Farley Flud <ff@gnulinux.rocks> - 2026-07-27 03:08 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-26 23:19 -0400
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Farley Flud <ff@gnulinux.rocks> - 2026-07-27 03:30 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-27 15:07 +0200
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Farley Flud <ff@gnulinux.rocks> - 2026-07-27 15:48 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-27 18:27 +0100
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Farley Flud <ff@gnulinux.rocks> - 2026-07-28 01:02 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-28 10:10 +0100
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-28 00:01 -0400
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-28 10:19 +0100
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-28 11:37 +0200
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-28 17:43 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2026-08-01 18:00 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late FF <fflud@linux.rocks> - 2026-08-01 19:09 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-02 11:15 +0100
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-02 14:23 +0200
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-02 20:09 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-02 23:19 -0400
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-01 22:00 -0400
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam2616@zugschl.us> - 2026-07-27 16:22 +0200
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-27 23:07 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-28 00:10 -0400
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-07-28 04:20 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-28 04:40 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-28 23:00 -0400
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-29 09:37 +0100
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Farley Flud <ff@gnulinux.rocks> - 2026-07-29 18:24 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam2616@zugschl.us> - 2026-07-28 10:48 +0200
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-28 22:29 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-28 23:02 -0400
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam2616@zugschl.us> - 2026-07-29 08:36 +0200
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-28 22:57 -0400
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam2616@zugschl.us> - 2026-07-28 10:24 +0200
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-28 10:24 +0100
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-28 17:22 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-28 17:16 +0000
Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-26 22:51 +0000
Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again Robert Heller <heller@deepsoft.com> - 2026-07-26 23:27 +0000
Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-26 21:23 -0400
Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-27 04:42 +0000
Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-27 23:43 -0400
Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-28 11:57 +0200
Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-28 11:06 +0100
Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-07-28 15:22 +0000
Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-29 19:13 +0200
Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-29 18:17 +0100
Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-29 20:07 +0200
Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-29 19:15 +0100
Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-29 18:18 +0000
Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-07-29 18:59 +0000
Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-29 21:59 +0200
Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-29 18:15 +0000
Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-29 19:20 +0100
Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-29 20:51 +0200
Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-27 09:00 +0100
Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-27 23:47 -0400
Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-28 10:18 +0100
Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-28 17:11 +0000
Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-29 19:18 +0200
Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-29 18:23 +0000
Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-29 20:52 +0200
Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-27 01:10 +0000
Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again Andreas Eder <a_eder_muc@web.de> - 2026-07-27 15:45 +0200
Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-07-27 16:16 +0000
Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-27 18:24 +0100
Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-27 19:55 +0200
Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-28 09:59 +0100
Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-28 11:59 +0200
Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-28 11:25 +0100
Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-28 17:07 +0000
Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-28 22:48 +0200
Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-28 17:00 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-27 00:59 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-27 08:54 +0100
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-26 21:08 -0400
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-27 20:04 +0200
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| From | "Stanislav N. aka pztrn" <no@email.please> |
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| Date | 2026-07-31 10:33 +0500 |
| Message-ID | <114hc2q$2e0th$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #89293 |
31.07.2026 10:02, rbowman wrote: > On Thu, 30 Jul 2026 23:30:48 +0000, vallor wrote: > >> Just a note about Mint -- you can install a later kernel using the >> update manager, under view > Linux kernels. >> >> (The latest is 7.0.0.) > > No, thanks. The update to 6.17 was bad enough. It's an old netbook with a > Broadcom wifi chip and the dkms process would fail and it would revert to > 6.14. To even install I use a Panda USB wifi dongle. Once installed, the > Mint driver manager was able to get a Broadcom driver. It had been working > but not with 6.17. I was able to find a deb with one that worked. Oddly > when troubleshooting the problem I got a lot of hits on Mac sites and I > think that's where I finally found the update. > > I can't remember what I had on the netbook prior to Mint but it was the > same cha-cha. Install with the dongle the iso recognized and then get the > Broadcom driver. I don't know if it's because it's from 2011 or if > Broadcom support isn't up to par. Broadcom Wi-Fi is a biggest crap in Linux world because there are no good driver for it. To eliminate this problem just buy an adapter or dongle that uses Atheros or Realtek chip.
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-07-31 07:56 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <nd32p8F9i60U17@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #89302 |
On Fri, 31 Jul 2026 10:33:14 +0500, Stanislav N. aka pztrn wrote: > Broadcom Wi-Fi is a biggest crap in Linux world because there are no > good driver for it. To eliminate this problem just buy an adapter or > dongle that uses Atheros or Realtek chip. The Panda dongle I have uses the RTL8812AU. The rest of the boxes are either Realtek or Intel.
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-07-31 12:28 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <114i0t1$2ktba$6@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #89302 |
On 31/07/2026 06:33, Stanislav N. aka pztrn wrote: > Broadcom Wi-Fi is a biggest crap in Linux world because there are no > good driver for it. I think there is, these days. bcmwl-kernel-source or broadcom-sta-dkms are AFAIK proprietary but supported by broadcom IIRC many Raspberry Pis use a broadcom chipset, and they mostly work But I agree, in the past it was a complete pain Along with Nvidia GPUs, but at least they made their drivers feely available -- Microsoft : the best reason to go to Linux that ever existed.
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| From | "Stanislav N. aka pztrn" <no@email.please> |
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| Date | 2026-07-31 17:23 +0500 |
| Message-ID | <114i438$2n4jb$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #89317 |
31.07.2026 16:28, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > On 31/07/2026 06:33, Stanislav N. aka pztrn wrote: >> Broadcom Wi-Fi is a biggest crap in Linux world because there are no >> good driver for it. > > I think there is, these days. > > bcmwl-kernel-source or broadcom-sta-dkms are AFAIK proprietary but > supported by broadcom > > IIRC many Raspberry Pis use a broadcom chipset, and they mostly work > > But I agree, in the past it was a complete pain > > Along with Nvidia GPUs, but at least they made their drivers feely > available > > Funny thing is that I never have any problems with nvidia graphics on Linux using proprietary drivers. NEVER. Running CUDA? No problems! Gaming with wine? Here we go! Native gaming! Lets ride! I won't speak for power problems of course, still remembering my pain trying to get gtx460 working on full power, but it was solved by disabling powermizer. Even now there are some problems with power, sleep/resume... Except Wayland, of course. Wayland and nVidia starts to work together very recently. And moreover, I think laptops with intel+nvidia are best for Linux, because I never experienced much trouble running games on discrete card. On wayland it just works, on X11 I was launching games in another X session so composition pipeline won't ruing my input latency. Everyone praises AMD, woohoo, open source drivers, so configurable... I have a desktop with 5700xt and it won't made things simplier - I have to specify VERY OWN RADV OPTIONS FOR ALMOST EVERYTHING TO WORK PROPERLY. Now that desktop gaming firmware (Windows :-D). And EVEN THERE videocard sometimes just get lost so I have to reinstall amd drivers... Nuts! And yes, don't be confused with rpi working fine - they using specific chipset with specific radio, make BCM4313 work flawlessly :).
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-07-31 20:27 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <nd4ep6Flu8eU9@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #89335 |
On Fri, 31 Jul 2026 17:23:02 +0500, Stanislav N. aka pztrn wrote: > Funny thing is that I never have any problems with nvidia graphics on > Linux using proprietary drivers. NEVER. Running CUDA? No problems! > Gaming with wine? Here we go! Native gaming! Lets ride! You're lucky. I don't have Nvidia in any of the boxes but Nvidia problems seems to be a common complaint on the forums. TensorFlow does get a bit snotty when it can't find CUDA. I'm not sure even Nvidia realized the potential. AMD certainly was asleep at the wheel although ROCm is gaining a little traction.
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| From | "Stanislav N. aka pztrn" <no@email.please> |
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| Date | 2026-08-01 02:02 +0500 |
| Message-ID | <114j2hl$31bsl$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #89368 |
01.08.2026 01:27, rbowman wrote: > On Fri, 31 Jul 2026 17:23:02 +0500, Stanislav N. aka pztrn wrote: > >> Funny thing is that I never have any problems with nvidia graphics on >> Linux using proprietary drivers. NEVER. Running CUDA? No problems! >> Gaming with wine? Here we go! Native gaming! Lets ride! > > You're lucky. I don't have Nvidia in any of the boxes but Nvidia problems > seems to be a common complaint on the forums. > I do not understand my luckyness. Used variety of nvidia hardware on both desktop and laptops and they just works. Just like Intel videocards. Yet with AMD cards there are always glitches here and there ¯⧹_(ツ)_⧸¯.
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| From | "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-08-01 14:29 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <nd674sF4qvU2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #89368 |
On 2026-07-31 22:27, rbowman wrote:
> On Fri, 31 Jul 2026 17:23:02 +0500, Stanislav N. aka pztrn wrote:
>
>> Funny thing is that I never have any problems with nvidia graphics on
>> Linux using proprietary drivers. NEVER. Running CUDA? No problems!
>> Gaming with wine? Here we go! Native gaming! Lets ride!
>
> You're lucky. I don't have Nvidia in any of the boxes but Nvidia problems
> seems to be a common complaint on the forums.
I did have NVidia, and it was trouble.
I have an old desktop that can not get the proprietary driver because it
stopped being updated for my card, and I had to revert to the open driver.
I switched to AMD, and no more troubles.
>
> TensorFlow does get a bit snotty when it can't find CUDA. I'm not sure
> even Nvidia realized the potential. AMD certainly was asleep at the wheel
> although ROCm is gaining a little traction.
--
Cheers,
Carlos E.R.
ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-08-01 14:17 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <114krlh$3jph9$6@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #89384 |
On 01/08/2026 13:29, Carlos E. R. wrote: > I did have NVidia, and it was trouble. > > I have an old desktop that can not get the proprietary driver because it > stopped being updated for my card, and I had to revert to the open driver. > Didn't the old one still work? > I switched to AMD, and no more troubles. LOL I switched to intel integrated and got the same performance with no separate card at all Unless you are a gamer you wont need an extra card moistly. And gamers always pay thousands to get the latest and shiniest -- Those who want slavery should have the grace to name it by its proper name. They must face the full meaning of that which they are advocating or condoning; the full, exact, specific meaning of collectivism, of its logical implications, of the principles upon which it is based, and of the ultimate consequences to which these principles will lead. They must face it, then decide whether this is what they want or not. Ayn Rand.
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-08-01 18:59 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <nd6u0gF4198U5@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #89392 |
On Sat, 1 Aug 2026 14:17:37 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > On 01/08/2026 13:29, Carlos E. R. wrote: >> I did have NVidia, and it was trouble. >> >> I have an old desktop that can not get the proprietary driver because >> it stopped being updated for my card, and I had to revert to the open >> driver. >> > Didn't the old one still work? > >> I switched to AMD, and no more troubles. > > LOL I switched to intel integrated and got the same performance with no > separate card at all > > Unless you are a gamer you wont need an extra card moistly. And gamers > always pay thousands to get the latest and shiniest I've got 2 of each, Intel or AMD integrated and whatever the Pi uses. Works for me. The last separate card I had was a AMD 2400 years ago, selected for cost not gaming ability.
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| From | "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-08-01 23:15 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <nd7601F4quU6@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #89392 |
On 2026-08-01 15:17, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 01/08/2026 13:29, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>> I did have NVidia, and it was trouble.
>>
>> I have an old desktop that can not get the proprietary driver because
>> it stopped being updated for my card, and I had to revert to the open
>> driver.
>>
> Didn't the old one still work?
The old driver? Not with newer kernels, no.
The machine has some issues. One was video: no 3D. Another was
virtualization: the CPU lacks some instructions, and vmware refused to
update. Then memory: only 8 gigs.
>
>> I switched to AMD, and no more troubles.
>
> LOL I switched to intel integrated and got the same performance with no
> separate card at all
>
I had issues with intel drivers on another laptop. There were bugs which
intel refused to solve. For instance, on my mini server machine: the
mouse leaves a trail of pointers in the screen that blink. Cure is
ctrl-alt-f1 and back.
> Unless you are a gamer you wont need an extra card moistly. And gamers
> always pay thousands to get the latest and shiniest
My current AMD can run the few games I tried. Games that came with the
distro. fsfg, penguins on ice, etc.
--
Cheers,
Carlos E.R.
ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-08-01 21:54 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <SWtbS.9701$YhN7.6328@fx34.iad> |
| In reply to | #89392 |
On 2026-08-01, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote: > On 01/08/2026 13:29, Carlos E. R. wrote: > >> I did have NVidia, and it was trouble. >> >> I have an old desktop that can not get the proprietary driver because it >> stopped being updated for my card, and I had to revert to the open driver. >> > Didn't the old one still work? I was in a similar situation. I have Nvidia cards and generally have had no problems, at least as long as I use their proprietary drives. (Nouveau would lock up too often for me.) However, when I updated one machine to Debian Bookworm, it wouldn't accept the driver I was using; I upgraded to a newer driver and it wouldn't accept my graphics card. Replacing the graphics card with a newer model got things going again. >> I switched to AMD, and no more troubles. So far Nvidia stuff still works for me. -- /~\ Charlie Gibbs | In this world there are \ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | two kinds of people: X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | 1. Those who can extrapolate / \ if you read it the right way. | from incomplete data.
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-08-02 11:20 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <114n5lh$ccdc$11@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #89414 |
On 01/08/2026 22:54, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > I was in a similar situation. I have Nvidia cards and generally have > had no problems, at least as long as I use their proprietary drives. > (Nouveau would lock up too often for me.) However, when I updated one > machine to Debian Bookworm, it wouldn't accept the driver I was using; > I upgraded to a newer driver and it wouldn't accept my graphics card. > Replacing the graphics card with a newer model got things going again. > That rather sucks >>> I switched to AMD, and no more troubles. > So far Nvidia stuff still works for me. Never used an 'AMD' cards. Think I used 'Radeons' back in the DOS/WIN3 days. Yes I know its the same company... -- "It is an established fact to 97% confidence limits that left wing conspirators see right wing conspiracies everywhere"
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-08-02 20:25 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <nd9ndmF4198U17@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #89459 |
On Sun, 2 Aug 2026 11:20:33 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > Never used an 'AMD' cards. Think I used 'Radeons' back in the DOS/WIN3 > days. I had a low end Radeon card and it worked but that was back when Doom was as much stress as a video adapter got.
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2026-08-02 23:41 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <eiadnXKXpPCPk-33nZ2dnZfqnPqdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #89481 |
On 8/2/26 16:25, rbowman wrote: > On Sun, 2 Aug 2026 11:20:33 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > >> Never used an 'AMD' cards. Think I used 'Radeons' back in the DOS/WIN3 >> days. > > I had a low end Radeon card and it worked but that was back when Doom was > as much stress as a video adapter got. Radeons were GOOD. Had 'em on almost every box in my org. But, as you said, those were yesterday-tech. THESE days, most people don't get much of a CHOICE. It's whatever comes on yer cheap desktop or lap or whatever. Except for desktops, most units don't even have a plug-in bus for alt hardware. Desktop boards are now a 'marginal' market - though would still rec Asus or SuperMicro.
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-08-03 12:18 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <114pteu$17u49$3@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #89492 |
On 03/08/2026 04:41, c186282 wrote: > THESE days, most people don't get much of a CHOICE. > It's whatever comes on yer cheap desktop or lap or > whatever. Except for desktops, most units don't > even have a plug-in bus for alt hardware. Desktop > boards are now a 'marginal' market - though would > still rec Asus or SuperMicro. That is because for most people the onboard video is more than good enough. If they want gaming performance they build or buy a system with more expensive hardware. -- "I am inclined to tell the truth and dislike people who lie consistently. This makes me unfit for the company of people of a Left persuasion, and all women"
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-08-03 16:38 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <ndbugoF4198U23@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #89492 |
On Sun, 2 Aug 2026 23:41:52 -0400, c186282 wrote: > Radeons were GOOD. Had 'em on almost every box in my org. Radeon lives on: GPU: AMD Radeon Vega Series / Radeon Vega ] AMDs APUs put the CPU and GPU on the same die. That's how it shows up for a Ryzen 7. It's not aimed at gamers but is fine for the rest of the world.
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-08-01 18:51 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <nd6th2F4198U4@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #89384 |
On Sat, 1 Aug 2026 14:29:16 +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote: > I did have NVidia, and it was trouble. > > I have an old desktop that can not get the proprietary driver because it > stopped being updated for my card, and I had to revert to the open > driver. > > I switched to AMD, and no more troubles. The last video adapter I bought was an ATI Radeon 2400 but that was about 15 years ago. The original card failed and all I could find locally were high end cards for gamers so it probably was the cheapest thing on Amazon. It worked. That was the last build I did before deciding COTS boxes met my needs and were cheaper than DIY. The thrill of choosing mobos and components and hoping it would all work wore off. Everything I have now is either Intel or AMD integrated graphics. Works for me. TensorFlow would be happier with a GPU but it will fall back to a CPU, good enough for the toy models I work with.
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-08-02 11:12 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <114n55o$ccdc$8@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #89402 |
On 01/08/2026 19:51, rbowman wrote: > The last video adapter I bought was an ATI Radeon 2400 but that was about > 15 years ago. The original card failed and all I could find locally were > high end cards for gamers so it probably was the cheapest thing on Amazon. > It worked. > I bought one because 2FPS was too slow for a game I wanted to play. the chepest Nvidia got that up to 50-60 and all was ok > That was the last build I did before deciding COTS boxes met my needs and > were cheaper than DIY. The thrill of choosing mobos and components and > hoping it would all work wore off. Everything I have now is either Intel > or AMD integrated graphics. Works for me. TensorFlow would be happier with > a GPU but it will fall back to a CPU, good enough for the toy models I > work with. Exactly. when my local PC supplier's cheapest offering into the home market got over $700 or thereabouts I started buying refurbished PCS and laptops at half the price. And discovered that an ex office HP desktop with intel onboard, did everything I needed at half the price. It used to be the other way around. -- "Socialist governments traditionally do make a financial mess. They always run out of other people's money. It's quite a characteristic of them" Margaret Thatcher
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-08-02 20:21 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <nd9n6lF4198U16@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #89456 |
On Sun, 2 Aug 2026 11:12:08 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > Exactly. when my local PC supplier's cheapest offering into the home > market got over $700 or thereabouts I started buying refurbished PCS and > laptops at half the price. And discovered that an ex office HP desktop > with intel onboard, did everything I needed at half the price. I didn't buy refurbs until recently. I wanted a somewhat modern test bed and found I could buy a refurbed Lenovo T480 cheaper than a low end mini. It has worked out well and does have the advantage that I can pack it up and take it with me. After learning the hard way that cheap was ultimately more expensive the company I worked for started buying Dells. When I was thinking about doing another build I added up the prices. Even with reusing the Antec case and power supply the total was more than buying a Dell at CostCo. It had the same specs as my work machine so I knew it was adequate. Still is, for that matter, although I added RAM, a SATA SSD, and a slight upgrade to the Gen 4 Intel processor. With the current madness refurds look even better.
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2026-08-02 23:36 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <eiadnXOXpPBMke33nZ2dnZfqnPqdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #89480 |
On 8/2/26 16:21, rbowman wrote: > On Sun, 2 Aug 2026 11:12:08 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > >> Exactly. when my local PC supplier's cheapest offering into the home >> market got over $700 or thereabouts I started buying refurbished PCS and >> laptops at half the price. And discovered that an ex office HP desktop >> with intel onboard, did everything I needed at half the price. > > I didn't buy refurbs until recently. I wanted a somewhat modern test bed > and found I could buy a refurbed Lenovo T480 cheaper than a low end mini. > It has worked out well and does have the advantage that I can pack it up > and take it with me. > > After learning the hard way that cheap was ultimately more expensive the > company I worked for started buying Dells. When I was thinking about doing > another build I added up the prices. Even with reusing the Antec case and > power supply the total was more than buying a Dell at CostCo. It had the > same specs as my work machine so I knew it was adequate. Still is, for > that matter, although I added RAM, a SATA SSD, and a slight upgrade to the > Gen 4 Intel processor. > > With the current madness refurds look even better. Yea ... price-wise indeed ... but how WELL were they 'refurbished' ? The most typical fail is in a shit-rated cap in the power supply train. I've fixed some of those issues on the bench (lucky I collected caps and shit from old equipment). Re-furbs ... they MIGHT have just replaced shit with more shit. The current world semiconductor market is in serious flux and 'AI' needs have shifted many production lines away from 'consumer' stuff. Compare prices for common memory shit now from even two years ago. All the biggies have sold their souls to the 'AI' market. I got lucky, bought a lot of memory/flash/M.2 and such about two years ago. Prices were GOOD. But not NOW. Dunno when there may be an improvement. Not THIS year for sure, probably not next year either. Umm ... 'AI' customers NEED decent boxes/laps/etc to USE the AI properly. Now you can't AFFORD those 'decent' units. PROBLEM.
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