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| Started by | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| First post | 2026-07-26 01:09 -0400 |
| Last post | 2026-07-27 20:04 +0200 |
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Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-26 01:09 -0400
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-26 07:22 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-26 20:37 -0400
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-27 01:16 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late John McCue <jmclnx@gmail.com.invalid> - 2026-07-26 20:00 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-26 22:40 +0200
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-26 21:10 -0400
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Farley Flud <ff@gnulinux.rocks> - 2026-07-26 21:24 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-27 01:02 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Farley Flud <ff@gnulinux.rocks> - 2026-07-27 02:59 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-26 23:18 -0400
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Epherma <epherma@remort.app.invalid> - 2026-07-26 20:31 -0700
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Farley Flud <ff@gnulinux.rocks> - 2026-07-27 04:35 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-27 06:37 +0100
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-27 23:45 -0400
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-28 18:10 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Farley Flud <ff@gnulinux.rocks> - 2026-07-28 19:52 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Farley Flud <ff@gnulinux.rocks> - 2026-07-28 15:17 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-28 16:22 +0100
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-07-27 11:51 -0400
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Farley Flud <ff@gnulinux.rocks> - 2026-07-27 16:22 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-07-29 08:25 -0400
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-07-29 08:04 -0700
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-29 16:09 +0100
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-29 20:33 +0100
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-29 23:35 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-29 19:08 +0200
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-07-29 10:32 -0700
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-29 20:10 +0200
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-29 18:46 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-07-29 12:32 -0700
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-07-29 18:47 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-29 23:41 -0400
Flawed stereotypical joke (was: Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-31 12:31 +0100
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam2616@zugschl.us> - 2026-07-29 22:54 +0200
Re: Not Much Linux Stuff of Late Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-29 23:30 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-31 12:37 +0100
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-31 14:37 +0200
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-31 19:32 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-08-01 21:11 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-01 21:54 +0000
Re: Not Much Linux Stuff of Late Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-01 23:46 +0000
Re: Not Much Linux Stuff of Late Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-02 01:34 +0000
Re: Not Much Linux Stuff of Late c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-01 23:40 -0400
Re: Not Much Linux Stuff of Late Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-02 08:52 +0100
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-01 23:57 -0400
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-02 00:52 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam2616@zugschl.us> - 2026-08-02 06:03 +0200
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-02 05:23 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-02 01:38 -0400
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam2616@zugschl.us> - 2026-08-02 08:41 +0200
Re: Not Much Linux Stuff of Late Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-02 09:44 +0000
Re: Not Much Linux Stuff of Late Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam2616@zugschl.us> - 2026-08-02 15:29 +0200
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-29 18:42 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-29 23:38 -0400
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-30 04:04 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-30 12:33 +0200
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-30 19:03 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late "Stanislav N. aka pztrn" <no@email.please> - 2026-07-31 01:54 +0500
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-30 21:13 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> - 2026-07-30 23:47 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-31 04:53 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-31 01:11 -0400
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-31 14:47 +0200
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-31 14:47 +0100
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-01 14:22 +0200
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-01 14:15 +0100
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-01 19:07 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-02 11:14 +0100
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-02 20:02 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-02 23:16 -0400
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2026-08-01 23:46 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-02 11:25 +0100
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-31 19:47 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-31 04:45 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-31 01:00 -0400
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late "Stanislav N. aka pztrn" <no@email.please> - 2026-07-31 10:30 +0500
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-31 07:44 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> - 2026-07-30 23:30 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-31 05:02 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late "Stanislav N. aka pztrn" <no@email.please> - 2026-07-31 10:33 +0500
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-31 07:56 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-31 12:28 +0100
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late "Stanislav N. aka pztrn" <no@email.please> - 2026-07-31 17:23 +0500
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-31 20:27 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late "Stanislav N. aka pztrn" <no@email.please> - 2026-08-01 02:02 +0500
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-01 14:29 +0200
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-01 14:17 +0100
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-01 18:59 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-01 23:15 +0200
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-01 21:54 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-02 11:20 +0100
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-02 20:25 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-02 23:41 -0400
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-03 12:18 +0100
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-03 16:38 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-01 18:51 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-02 11:12 +0100
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-02 20:21 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-02 23:36 -0400
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-03 16:21 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late "Stanislav N. aka pztrn" <no@email.please> - 2026-08-01 23:54 +0500
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-01 23:39 +0100
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late "Stanislav N. aka pztrn" <pztrn@oldproto.invalid> - 2026-08-02 16:45 +0500
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-02 14:41 +0100
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-31 20:06 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-31 14:41 +0200
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-31 19:42 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-01 14:30 +0200
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-07-30 12:34 -0400
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-30 19:11 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-30 21:11 +0100
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Anton Antimo <anton@safunu.org> - 2026-07-30 14:05 -0300
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-31 05:04 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-31 01:31 -0400
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-07-30 14:51 -0700
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-31 12:21 +0100
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-31 19:35 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-07-31 12:54 -0400
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-31 19:50 +0100
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-08-01 07:53 -0400
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-01 14:12 +0100
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-01 18:35 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-01 21:32 -0400
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-02 11:26 +0100
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-08-03 08:54 -0400
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-31 19:05 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-29 16:07 +0100
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-27 04:42 +0000
Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread (was: Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-27 08:48 +0100
Re: Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-27 17:19 +0100
Re: Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread Farley Flud <ff@gnulinux.rocks> - 2026-07-27 16:40 +0000
Re: Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-27 21:22 +0000
Re: Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-07-27 14:44 -0700
Re: Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-27 23:37 +0000
Re: Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread Farley Flud <ff@gnulinux.rocks> - 2026-07-27 21:47 +0000
Re: Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread Farley Flud <ff@gnulinux.rocks> - 2026-07-28 00:24 +0000
Re: Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-28 04:23 +0000
Re: Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-27 23:46 +0000
Re: Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-28 10:07 +0100
Re: Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-07-29 01:50 +0000
Re: Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-07-29 07:58 -0700
Re: Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread Farley Flud <ff@gnulinux.rocks> - 2026-07-29 18:11 +0000
Re: Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-29 19:16 +0100
Re: Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-29 19:21 +0000
Re: Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-29 21:54 +0200
Re: Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-29 23:43 +0000
Re: Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread Farley Flud <ff@gnulinux.rocks> - 2026-07-29 21:36 +0000
Re: Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-29 23:51 +0000
Re: Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread Farley Flud <ff@gnulinux.rocks> - 2026-07-29 02:32 +0000
Re: Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-07-27 17:57 -0400
Re: Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-28 00:03 +0000
Re: Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-07-28 04:11 +0000
Re: Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-28 04:38 +0000
Re: Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-28 18:19 +0000
Re: Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-07-29 08:19 -0400
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Farley Flud <ff@gnulinux.rocks> - 2026-07-27 16:11 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-27 18:27 +0100
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-27 04:46 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Farley Flud <ff@gnulinux.rocks> - 2026-07-27 15:47 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-27 23:45 -0400
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-28 18:03 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-27 06:35 +0100
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-07-27 16:12 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-27 21:07 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-26 21:19 -0400
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Farley Flud <ff@gnulinux.rocks> - 2026-07-27 03:08 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-26 23:19 -0400
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Farley Flud <ff@gnulinux.rocks> - 2026-07-27 03:30 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-27 15:07 +0200
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Farley Flud <ff@gnulinux.rocks> - 2026-07-27 15:48 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-27 18:27 +0100
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Farley Flud <ff@gnulinux.rocks> - 2026-07-28 01:02 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-28 10:10 +0100
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-28 00:01 -0400
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-28 10:19 +0100
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-28 11:37 +0200
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-28 17:43 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2026-08-01 18:00 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late FF <fflud@linux.rocks> - 2026-08-01 19:09 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-02 11:15 +0100
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-02 14:23 +0200
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-02 20:09 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-02 23:19 -0400
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-01 22:00 -0400
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam2616@zugschl.us> - 2026-07-27 16:22 +0200
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-27 23:07 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-28 00:10 -0400
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-07-28 04:20 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-28 04:40 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-28 23:00 -0400
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-29 09:37 +0100
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Farley Flud <ff@gnulinux.rocks> - 2026-07-29 18:24 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam2616@zugschl.us> - 2026-07-28 10:48 +0200
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-28 22:29 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-28 23:02 -0400
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam2616@zugschl.us> - 2026-07-29 08:36 +0200
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-28 22:57 -0400
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam2616@zugschl.us> - 2026-07-28 10:24 +0200
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-28 10:24 +0100
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-28 17:22 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-28 17:16 +0000
Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-26 22:51 +0000
Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again Robert Heller <heller@deepsoft.com> - 2026-07-26 23:27 +0000
Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-26 21:23 -0400
Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-27 04:42 +0000
Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-27 23:43 -0400
Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-28 11:57 +0200
Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-28 11:06 +0100
Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-07-28 15:22 +0000
Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-29 19:13 +0200
Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-29 18:17 +0100
Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-29 20:07 +0200
Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-29 19:15 +0100
Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-29 18:18 +0000
Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-07-29 18:59 +0000
Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-29 21:59 +0200
Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-29 18:15 +0000
Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-29 19:20 +0100
Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-29 20:51 +0200
Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-27 09:00 +0100
Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-27 23:47 -0400
Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-28 10:18 +0100
Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-28 17:11 +0000
Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-29 19:18 +0200
Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-29 18:23 +0000
Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-29 20:52 +0200
Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-27 01:10 +0000
Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again Andreas Eder <a_eder_muc@web.de> - 2026-07-27 15:45 +0200
Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-07-27 16:16 +0000
Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-27 18:24 +0100
Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-27 19:55 +0200
Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-28 09:59 +0100
Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-28 11:59 +0200
Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-28 11:25 +0100
Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-28 17:07 +0000
Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-28 22:48 +0200
Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-28 17:00 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-27 00:59 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-27 08:54 +0100
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-26 21:08 -0400
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-27 20:04 +0200
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-08-02 11:15 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <114n5co$ccdc$10@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #89407 |
On 01/08/2026 20:09, FF wrote: > On 01 Aug 2026 18:00:22 GMT, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote: > >>> >>>> Aww ... I like systemd in many respects. It's not like the Winders >>>> registry, don't see any INTENTIONAL evil. >>>> >> >> >> It's far easier to refuse everything than trying to understand and learn >> something. >> > > Your distro supplies systemd. Correct > You could not use anything else. False > Unless > your distro supplies it then you are completely lost and helpless. > False > You could never implement your own init system. Never. > False > You support systemd because you could never implement anything else. > Never. > False. > You are stuck with systemd and you are stuck with everything else that > your distro provides. > No. I accept it, because I want to use my time for other things that farting around with linux. > Poor dumb bastard. > You are. -- For in reason, all government without the consent of the governed is the very definition of slavery. Jonathan Swift
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| From | "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-08-02 14:23 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <nd8r6aFdbe6U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #89458 |
On 2026-08-02 12:15, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 01/08/2026 20:09, FF wrote:
>> On 01 Aug 2026 18:00:22 GMT, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:
>>
>>>>
>>>>> Aww ... I like systemd in many respects. It's not like the Winders
>>>>> registry, don't see any INTENTIONAL evil.
>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> It's far easier to refuse everything than trying to understand and learn
>>> something.
>>>
>>
>> Your distro supplies systemd.
> Correct
>
>> You could not use anything else.
>
> False
>
>> Unless
>> your distro supplies it then you are completely lost and helpless.
>>
> False
>> You could never implement your own init system. Never.
>>
> False
>
>> You support systemd because you could never implement anything else.
>> Never.
>>
> False.
>> You are stuck with systemd and you are stuck with everything else that
>> your distro provides.
>>
> No. I accept it, because I want to use my time for other things that
> farting around with linux.
That's true for many of us.
>
>> Poor dumb bastard.
>>
> You are.
>
>
--
Cheers,
Carlos E.R.
ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-08-02 20:09 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <nd9mfiF4198U15@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #89465 |
On Sun, 2 Aug 2026 14:23:38 +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote: > On 2026-08-02 12:15, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >> On 01/08/2026 20:09, FF wrote: >>> On 01 Aug 2026 18:00:22 GMT, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote: >>> >>> >>>>>> Aww ... I like systemd in many respects. It's not like the >>>>>> Winders registry, don't see any INTENTIONAL evil. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> It's far easier to refuse everything than trying to understand and >>>> learn something. >>>> >>>> >>> Your distro supplies systemd. >> Correct >> >>> You could not use anything else. >> >> False >> >>> Unless your distro supplies it then you are completely lost and >>> helpless. >>> >> False >>> You could never implement your own init system. Never. >>> >> False >> >>> You support systemd because you could never implement anything else. >>> Never. >>> >> False. >>> You are stuck with systemd and you are stuck with everything else that >>> your distro provides. >>> >> No. I accept it, because I want to use my time for other things that >> farting around with linux. > > That's true for many of us. I decided long ago to accept some stuff as magic and get on with my interests. An example is the recent network discussion. I can maintain distros but the less attention I have to pay to the OS, the better. For that matter almost everything I do on Linux could be done on Windows and vice-versa. That makes me an agnostic rather than a True Believer.
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2026-08-02 23:19 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <eiadnXCXpPBele33nZ2dnZfqnPqdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #89479 |
On 8/2/26 16:09, rbowman wrote: > On Sun, 2 Aug 2026 14:23:38 +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote: > >> On 2026-08-02 12:15, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >>> On 01/08/2026 20:09, FF wrote: >>>> On 01 Aug 2026 18:00:22 GMT, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> Aww ... I like systemd in many respects. It's not like the >>>>>>> Winders registry, don't see any INTENTIONAL evil. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> It's far easier to refuse everything than trying to understand and >>>>> learn something. >>>>> >>>>> >>>> Your distro supplies systemd. >>> Correct >>> >>>> You could not use anything else. >>> >>> False >>> >>>> Unless your distro supplies it then you are completely lost and >>>> helpless. >>>> >>> False >>>> You could never implement your own init system. Never. >>>> >>> False >>> >>>> You support systemd because you could never implement anything else. >>>> Never. >>>> >>> False. >>>> You are stuck with systemd and you are stuck with everything else that >>>> your distro provides. >>>> >>> No. I accept it, because I want to use my time for other things that >>> farting around with linux. >> >> That's true for many of us. > > I decided long ago to accept some stuff as magic and get on with my > interests. An example is the recent network discussion. I can maintain > distros but the less attention I have to pay to the OS, the better. For > that matter almost everything I do on Linux could be done on Windows and > vice-versa. That makes me an agnostic rather than a True Believer. CP/M ... you COULD pretty much grasp it all. But today, even Linux, too much just IS "magic". Nobody gets the whole package, at best just this or that little BIT of it.
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2026-08-01 22:00 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <KR-dnZWVRtWaOPP3nZ2dnZfqnPWdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #89397 |
On 8/1/26 14:00, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote: > Le 27-07-2026, Farley Flud <ff@gnulinux.rocks> a écrit : >> On Sun, 26 Jul 2026 21:19:53 -0400, c186282 wrote: >> >>> >>> Aww ... I like systemd in many respects. It's >>> not like the Winders registry, don't see any >>> INTENTIONAL evil. >>> >> >> You "don't see" because you are a deluded, and lazy, idiot. > > You see because you are a deluded, and lazy, idiot. > > It's far easier to refuse everything than trying to understand and > learn something. Unnecessary, though MAYbe not undeserved, meanness ! I've looked into what systemd does and, as much as possible, how/why. It's NOT the Winders registry, no "NSA Backdoor"s like I saw a far back as Win2k. (really ! check it !) I mostly use systemd because it will start/watchdog my daemons. Then I don't need to write my own watchdogs. Anyway, systemd love/hate has become almost a fanatical religion these days. IMHO, neither extreme is even close to the (current) Truth. In theory major evil COULD be put into systemd ... but at the same time there are always a lot of people crawling into every crevice of the code for their own needs and interests ... so it'd be FOUND really really quick. >> You, as well as most other GNU/Linux users, have never performed >> any serious research into the true origins, purpose, and goals of >> systemd, even though you have had many years to so so. > > Everything you say about systemd history proves you never understood > anything about what you have read. > >> FOSS requires a lot more than just innocent bystanders. > > OK, you are useless, but it's all the BEST for FOSS. If you ever try to > do anything, it would become a disaster. > >> Each and every user must become involved in some way, however >> small. > > The only involvement you can provide is by staying as far away as > possible from FOSS projects. Now now ... don't demonize FOSS the same way others demonize systemd ! :-) In long experience, almost everyone in the Linux sphere is TRYING to Do Their Best. Sometimes they score, sometimes they don't, mostly it all falls in-between somewhere. The more complex Linux and add-ons become the harder is is to keep track of EVERY thing, EVERY possible interaction. Oh well, you CAN run CP/M-86 using VirtualBox ... got one of those VMs stashed somewhere ...... may take another look ........ WOULD suggest a DOS-3.x VM however - proper compilers for 'C', FORTRAN, COBOL and Pascal can be had for that. Turbo Pascal will work too. I *think* the (very) good old Aztec 'C' compiler works in CP/M, so there are options if you want "ultra-simple". Look around and I'm sure you can find VERY old Linux systems too that might still boot, or run in a VM. SOMEWHERE in The Heap I still have Red Hat - on FLOPPIES. So, if the modern world isn't "pure" enough ...
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| From | Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam2616@zugschl.us> |
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| Date | 2026-07-27 16:22 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <1147pi8$1cr17$1@news1.tnib.de> |
| In reply to | #89080 |
c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote: > Look at MX and a few others ... the start-up options > allow you to run a systemd or sysV version. I am very interested in knowing who wastes weeks of their lifetime to write initscripts for Debian packages. Those people must be real fanatics. >> The GNU project needs to make their Hurd kernel a top >> priority as the future of Linux is total corporate >> domination with a lack of freedom. > > We need alt development streams. I think we don't even have enough personpower for ONE decent development stream. Greetings Marc -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Marc Haber | " Questions are the | Mailadresse im Header Rhein-Neckar, DE | Beginning of Wisdom " | Nordisch by Nature | Lt. Worf, TNG "Rightful Heir" | Fon: *49 6224 1600402
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| From | Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-07-27 23:07 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <1148obf$3jt5q$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #89101 |
On Mon, 27 Jul 2026 16:22:00 +0200, Marc Haber wrote: > I am very interested in knowing who wastes weeks of their lifetime > to write initscripts for Debian packages. Those people must be real > fanatics. Whoever said “the Unix philosophy is to do one thing and do it well” never spent any time writing sysvinit scripts ...
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2026-07-28 00:10 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <W4udnf8JyewvtvX3nZ2dnZfqn_ednZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #89101 |
On 7/27/26 10:22, Marc Haber wrote: > c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote: >> Look at MX and a few others ... the start-up options >> allow you to run a systemd or sysV version. > > I am very interested in knowing who wastes weeks of their lifetime to > write initscripts for Debian packages. Those people must be real > fanatics. Hey, we NEED those fanatics ! A good init script is worth its weight in gold. READ one sometime ... dozens, hundreds, of steps and checks and tweaks just to install one stupid little utility. The energy/skill to do ALL that by hand from memory ... it barely exists. Actually, that it's SO difficult to install said stupid little utilities these days - doesn't give me a good feeling for the future. Maybe CP/M wasn't so bad after all :-) >>> The GNU project needs to make their Hurd kernel a top >>> priority as the future of Linux is total corporate >>> domination with a lack of freedom. >> >> We need alt development streams. > > I think we don't even have enough personpower for ONE decent > development stream. You may be right, alas. The enthusiasm for 'free' OS/software isn't what it used to be - and there's more MONEY writing evil JS spyware for browsers. This is kinda why I've been looking into the BSDs more of late. They're a bit more driven by 'academic' types. There's always been good and bad in that, but for the near future the 'good' may very useful.
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| From | Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-07-28 04:20 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <f6W9S.39$bz1a.19@fx24.iad> |
| In reply to | #89136 |
On 2026-07-28, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote:
> Actually, that it's SO difficult to install said
> stupid little utilities these days - doesn't give
> me a good feeling for the future.
I'm still a fan of static-linked binaries. No DLL hell,
no installer that has to know where to scatter a myriad
of files, no breakages when a library gets updated.
Just run the one file from anywhere and it Just Works.
Perfection is achieved, not when there is nothing more
to add, but when there is nothing left to take away.
-- Antoine de Saint-Exupéry
--
/~\ Charlie Gibbs | In this world there are
\ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | two kinds of people:
X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | 1. Those who can extrapolate
/ \ if you read it the right way. | from incomplete data.
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| From | Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-07-28 04:40 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <1149br6$3p5ep$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #89138 |
On Tue, 28 Jul 2026 04:20:27 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > I'm still a fan of static-linked binaries. No DLL hell, no installer > that has to know where to scatter a myriad of files, no breakages > when a library gets updated. To those of us who take for granted that there will be a systemwide package manager to handle the dependencies and updates, built on an underlying platform that knows how to handle shared-library versioning, none of that is a problem.
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2026-07-28 23:00 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <XeKdnaGP75hr8fT3nZ2dnZfqnPGdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #89141 |
On 7/28/26 00:40, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: > On Tue, 28 Jul 2026 04:20:27 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > >> I'm still a fan of static-linked binaries. No DLL hell, no installer >> that has to know where to scatter a myriad of files, no breakages >> when a library gets updated. > > To those of us who take for granted that there will be a systemwide > package manager to handle the dependencies and updates, built on an > underlying platform that knows how to handle shared-library > versioning, none of that is a problem. Seeing more and more probs with those perfect managers though. Still 'ok' by and large but I see bitching about missing dependencies, oft involving v0.0.1 differences. Linux isn't simple enough anymore. So, prep "app-images" - all-in-one. Bigger, but that's really not a thing these days.
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-07-29 09:37 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <114ce3c$nb64$4@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #89176 |
On 29/07/2026 04:00, c186282 wrote: > Linux isn't simple enough anymore. It's a lot simpler than it used to be For people who want to actually use it. -- For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong. H.L.Mencken
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| From | Farley Flud <ff@gnulinux.rocks> |
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| Date | 2026-07-29 18:24 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <18c6d5dcb7356cce$6655$989275$802601b3@news.usenetexpress.com> |
| In reply to | #89176 |
On Tue, 28 Jul 2026 23:00:07 -0400, c186282 wrote: >> >> To those of us who take for granted that there will be a systemwide >> package manager to handle the dependencies and updates, built on an >> underlying platform that knows how to handle shared-library >> versioning, none of that is a problem. > > Seeing more and more probs with those perfect > managers though. Still 'ok' by and large but > I see bitching about missing dependencies, oft > involving v0.0.1 differences. > That would *never* be a problem with Gentoo. Although Gentoo Portage is extremely reliable in resolving dependencies it is possible that the user may choose to build packages outside of the Portage tree which may in time cause dependency issues. For this and other reasons, Gentoo has developed "revdep-rebuild" which is a utility that examines every binary and library that is installed on the system for consistency. It never fails to locate problems which can then be easily corrected. IMO, Gentoo is the only "distro" worthy of supervising a GNU/Linux installation. -- Gentoo/LFS: Is there any-fucking-thing else?
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| From | Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam2616@zugschl.us> |
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| Date | 2026-07-28 10:48 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <1149qdf$1heu9$1@news1.tnib.de> |
| In reply to | #89138 |
Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote: >On 2026-07-28, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote: >> Actually, that it's SO difficult to install said >> stupid little utilities these days - doesn't give >> me a good feeling for the future. > >I'm still a fan of static-linked binaries. No DLL hell, >no installer that has to know where to scatter a myriad >of files, no breakages when a library gets updated. You are obviously talking about Windows here. The Linux world has passed that time two decades ago. We have libraries with versioned symbols, we have versioned package dependencies >Just run the one file from anywhere and it Just Works. ... that just works. If you have difficulties with that, I'd suggest trying Debian, the Debian project does a pretty decent job with their library dependencies. Statically linked binaries, especially those who came "from anywhere" usually don't get updated, which imposes a significant security risk to the target system. I'd avoid doing that anyway or at least container those binaries away. Greetings Marc -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Marc Haber | " Questions are the | Mailadresse im Header Rhein-Neckar, DE | Beginning of Wisdom " | Nordisch by Nature | Lt. Worf, TNG "Rightful Heir" | Fon: *49 6224 1600402
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| From | Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-07-28 22:29 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <114bagq$e3o2$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #89143 |
On Tue, 28 Jul 2026 10:48:47 +0200, Marc Haber wrote: > You are obviously talking about Windows here. The Linux world has > passed that time two decades ago. I wonder how long it will be before Windows no longer gets taken seriously as a development platform? I’d say Microsoft is already fighting a rearguard action on that front; will the battle be over in, say, another 5 years?
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2026-07-28 23:02 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <XeKdnaCP75gL8PT3nZ2dnZfqnPGdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #89171 |
On 7/28/26 18:29, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: > On Tue, 28 Jul 2026 10:48:47 +0200, Marc Haber wrote: > >> You are obviously talking about Windows here. The Linux world has >> passed that time two decades ago. > > I wonder how long it will be before Windows no longer gets taken > seriously as a development platform? I’d say Microsoft is already > fighting a rearguard action on that front; will the battle be over in, > say, another 5 years? Wishful thinking. M$ is TOO BIG TO FAIL and will strong-arm serious competitors. Now, under the hood, Winders maybe IS evolving into Linux/Unix.
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| From | Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam2616@zugschl.us> |
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| Date | 2026-07-29 08:36 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <114c70j$1mn5l$1@news1.tnib.de> |
| In reply to | #89171 |
Lawrence D´Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: >On Tue, 28 Jul 2026 10:48:47 +0200, Marc Haber wrote: > >> You are obviously talking about Windows here. The Linux world has >> passed that time two decades ago. > >I wonder how long it will be before Windows no longer gets taken >seriously as a development platform? I’d say Microsoft is already >fighting a rearguard action on that front; will the battle be over in, >say, another 5 years? Really new stuff is being developed for the web or as mobile app. Things for installation on the Linux or Windows desktop are shipped as Electron. Greetings Marc -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Marc Haber | " Questions are the | Mailadresse im Header Rhein-Neckar, DE | Beginning of Wisdom " | Nordisch by Nature | Lt. Worf, TNG "Rightful Heir" | Fon: *49 6224 1600402
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2026-07-28 22:57 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <XeKdnaaP75je8fT3nZ2dnZfqnPGdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #89138 |
On 7/28/26 00:20, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > On 2026-07-28, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote: > >> Actually, that it's SO difficult to install said >> stupid little utilities these days - doesn't give >> me a good feeling for the future. > > I'm still a fan of static-linked binaries. No DLL hell, > no installer that has to know where to scatter a myriad > of files, no breakages when a library gets updated. > Just run the one file from anywhere and it Just Works. I think that mess is why we're seeing more and more Linux apps come as "App-Images" - all in one. Gets past a lot of distro/version issues, though the code is bigger. These days it may not matter so much if it's "bigger". Python is kinda nefarious for being version/subversion picky. So, you make an executable, containing everything, and it'll Just Work across a much broader range of systems. I've complained a lot about package and update dependency shit before - haven't changed my mind. Linux distros used to be 'simpler', less probs, but NOW ... yikes ! Rolling distros 'solve' the probs by completely replacing yer 2+ GB existing system with the latest image. Excessive ! Anyway, if you want to distribute anything, DO think "app-image". It'll Just Work in far more places.
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| From | Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam2616@zugschl.us> |
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| Date | 2026-07-28 10:24 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <1149p06$1hbvs$1@news1.tnib.de> |
| In reply to | #89136 |
c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote: >On 7/27/26 10:22, Marc Haber wrote: >> c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote: >>> Look at MX and a few others ... the start-up options >>> allow you to run a systemd or sysV version. >> >> I am very interested in knowing who wastes weeks of their lifetime to >> write initscripts for Debian packages. Those people must be real >> fanatics. > > Hey, we NEED those fanatics ! > > A good init script is worth its weight in gold. A good systemd unit needs a tenth of the time and does more. I have NEVER seen an init scrip that even tried to reach the security level that is possible with 80 lines of systemd unit code. And that is not even counting the time needed by building chroots and keeping them current. > READ one sometime ... dozens, hundreds, of steps > and checks and tweaks just to install one stupid > little utility. The energy/skill to do ALL that > by hand from memory ... it barely exists. And it has always been a waste of human time. Greetings Marc -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Marc Haber | " Questions are the | Mailadresse im Header Rhein-Neckar, DE | Beginning of Wisdom " | Nordisch by Nature | Lt. Worf, TNG "Rightful Heir" | Fon: *49 6224 1600402
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-07-28 10:24 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <1149sg6$3tkg5$8@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #89136 |
On 28/07/2026 05:10, c186282 wrote: > The enthusiasm for 'free' OS/software isn't what > it used to be - and there's more MONEY writing > evil JS spyware for browsers. The enthusiasm for 'money' is also less prevalent than it used to be and is mainly a US centric meme. All you need is enough to fund your chosen lifestyle. "Money doesn't make you happy, but it does take the misery out of being poor" -- "I am inclined to tell the truth and dislike people who lie consistently. This makes me unfit for the company of people of a Left persuasion, and all women"
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