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Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late

Started byc186282 <c186282@nnada.net>
First post2026-07-26 01:09 -0400
Last post2026-07-27 20:04 +0200
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  Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-26 01:09 -0400
    Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-26 07:22 +0000
      Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-26 20:37 -0400
        Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-27 01:16 +0000
    Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late John McCue <jmclnx@gmail.com.invalid> - 2026-07-26 20:00 +0000
      Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-26 22:40 +0200
        Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-26 21:10 -0400
      Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Farley Flud <ff@gnulinux.rocks> - 2026-07-26 21:24 +0000
        Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-27 01:02 +0000
          Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Farley Flud <ff@gnulinux.rocks> - 2026-07-27 02:59 +0000
            Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-26 23:18 -0400
            Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Epherma <epherma@remort.app.invalid> - 2026-07-26 20:31 -0700
              Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Farley Flud <ff@gnulinux.rocks> - 2026-07-27 04:35 +0000
                Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-27 06:37 +0100
                  Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-27 23:45 -0400
                    Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-28 18:10 +0000
                    Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Farley Flud <ff@gnulinux.rocks> - 2026-07-28 19:52 +0000
                  Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Farley Flud <ff@gnulinux.rocks> - 2026-07-28 15:17 +0000
                    Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-28 16:22 +0100
                Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-07-27 11:51 -0400
                  Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Farley Flud <ff@gnulinux.rocks> - 2026-07-27 16:22 +0000
                    Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-07-29 08:25 -0400
                      Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-07-29 08:04 -0700
                        Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-29 16:09 +0100
                          Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-29 20:33 +0100
                            Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-29 23:35 +0000
                        Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-29 19:08 +0200
                          Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-07-29 10:32 -0700
                            Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-29 20:10 +0200
                            Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-29 18:46 +0000
                              Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-07-29 12:32 -0700
                            Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-07-29 18:47 +0000
                              Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-29 23:41 -0400
                              Flawed stereotypical joke (was: Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-31 12:31 +0100
                            Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam2616@zugschl.us> - 2026-07-29 22:54 +0200
                          Re: Not Much Linux Stuff of Late Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-29 23:30 +0000
                          Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-31 12:37 +0100
                            Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-31 14:37 +0200
                              Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-31 19:32 +0000
                            Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-08-01 21:11 +0000
                              Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-01 21:54 +0000
                                Re: Not Much Linux Stuff of Late Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-01 23:46 +0000
                                  Re: Not Much Linux Stuff of Late Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-02 01:34 +0000
                                    Re: Not Much Linux Stuff of Late c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-01 23:40 -0400
                                Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-01 23:57 -0400
                              Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-02 00:52 +0000
                              Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam2616@zugschl.us> - 2026-08-02 06:03 +0200
                        Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-29 18:42 +0000
                          Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-29 23:38 -0400
                            Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-30 04:04 +0000
                              Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-30 12:33 +0200
                                Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-30 19:03 +0000
                                  Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late "Stanislav N. aka pztrn" <no@email.please> - 2026-07-31 01:54 +0500
                                    Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-30 21:13 +0000
                                      Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> - 2026-07-30 23:47 +0000
                                        Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-31 04:53 +0000
                                          Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-31 01:11 -0400
                                            Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-31 14:47 +0200
                                              Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-31 14:47 +0100
                                                Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-01 14:22 +0200
                                                  Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-01 14:15 +0100
                                                    Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-01 19:07 +0000
                                                    Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2026-08-01 23:46 +0000
                                              Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-31 19:47 +0000
                                    Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-31 04:45 +0000
                                      Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-31 01:00 -0400
                                        Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late "Stanislav N. aka pztrn" <no@email.please> - 2026-07-31 10:30 +0500
                                        Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-31 07:44 +0000
                                  Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> - 2026-07-30 23:30 +0000
                                    Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-31 05:02 +0000
                                      Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late "Stanislav N. aka pztrn" <no@email.please> - 2026-07-31 10:33 +0500
                                        Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-31 07:56 +0000
                                        Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-31 12:28 +0100
                                          Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late "Stanislav N. aka pztrn" <no@email.please> - 2026-07-31 17:23 +0500
                                            Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-31 20:27 +0000
                                              Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late "Stanislav N. aka pztrn" <no@email.please> - 2026-08-01 02:02 +0500
                                              Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-01 14:29 +0200
                                                Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-01 14:17 +0100
                                                  Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-01 18:59 +0000
                                                  Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-01 23:15 +0200
                                                  Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-01 21:54 +0000
                                                Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-01 18:51 +0000
                                                Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late "Stanislav N. aka pztrn" <no@email.please> - 2026-08-01 23:54 +0500
                                                  Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-01 23:39 +0100
                                          Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-31 20:06 +0000
                                  Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-31 14:41 +0200
                                    Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-31 19:42 +0000
                                      Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-01 14:30 +0200
                        Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-07-30 12:34 -0400
                          Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-30 19:11 +0000
                            Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-30 21:11 +0100
                          Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Anton Antimo <anton@safunu.org> - 2026-07-30 14:05 -0300
                            Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-31 05:04 +0000
                              Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-31 01:31 -0400
                          Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-07-30 14:51 -0700
                            Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-31 12:21 +0100
                              Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-31 19:35 +0000
                            Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-07-31 12:54 -0400
                              Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-31 19:50 +0100
                                Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-08-01 07:53 -0400
                                  Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-01 14:12 +0100
                                  Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-01 18:35 +0000
                                  Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-01 21:32 -0400
                              Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-31 19:05 +0000
                      Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-29 16:07 +0100
              Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-27 04:42 +0000
                Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread (was: Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-27 08:48 +0100
                  Re: Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-27 17:19 +0100
                    Re: Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread Farley Flud <ff@gnulinux.rocks> - 2026-07-27 16:40 +0000
                      Re: Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-27 21:22 +0000
                        Re: Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-07-27 14:44 -0700
                          Re: Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-27 23:37 +0000
                        Re: Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread Farley Flud <ff@gnulinux.rocks> - 2026-07-27 21:47 +0000
                          Re: Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread Farley Flud <ff@gnulinux.rocks> - 2026-07-28 00:24 +0000
                            Re: Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-28 04:23 +0000
                          Re: Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-27 23:46 +0000
                          Re: Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-28 10:07 +0100
                            Re: Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-07-29 01:50 +0000
                              Re: Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-07-29 07:58 -0700
                              Re: Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread Farley Flud <ff@gnulinux.rocks> - 2026-07-29 18:11 +0000
                                Re: Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-29 19:16 +0100
                                Re: Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-29 19:21 +0000
                                  Re: Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-29 21:54 +0200
                                    Re: Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-29 23:43 +0000
                                  Re: Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread Farley Flud <ff@gnulinux.rocks> - 2026-07-29 21:36 +0000
                                    Re: Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-29 23:51 +0000
                            Re: Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread Farley Flud <ff@gnulinux.rocks> - 2026-07-29 02:32 +0000
                        Re: Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-07-27 17:57 -0400
                          Re: Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-28 00:03 +0000
                        Re: Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-07-28 04:11 +0000
                          Re: Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-28 04:38 +0000
                          Re: Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-28 18:19 +0000
                          Re: Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-07-29 08:19 -0400
                Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Farley Flud <ff@gnulinux.rocks> - 2026-07-27 16:11 +0000
                  Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-27 18:27 +0100
            Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-27 04:46 +0000
              Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Farley Flud <ff@gnulinux.rocks> - 2026-07-27 15:47 +0000
              Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-27 23:45 -0400
                Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-28 18:03 +0000
            Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-27 06:35 +0100
          Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-07-27 16:12 +0000
            Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-27 21:07 +0000
        Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-26 21:19 -0400
          Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Farley Flud <ff@gnulinux.rocks> - 2026-07-27 03:08 +0000
            Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-26 23:19 -0400
              Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Farley Flud <ff@gnulinux.rocks> - 2026-07-27 03:30 +0000
              Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-27 15:07 +0200
                Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Farley Flud <ff@gnulinux.rocks> - 2026-07-27 15:48 +0000
                  Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-27 18:27 +0100
                    Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Farley Flud <ff@gnulinux.rocks> - 2026-07-28 01:02 +0000
                      Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-28 10:10 +0100
                Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-28 00:01 -0400
                  Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-28 10:19 +0100
                  Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-28 11:37 +0200
                  Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-28 17:43 +0000
            Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2026-08-01 18:00 +0000
              Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late FF <fflud@linux.rocks> - 2026-08-01 19:09 +0000
              Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-01 22:00 -0400
          Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam2616@zugschl.us> - 2026-07-27 16:22 +0200
            Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-27 23:07 +0000
            Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-28 00:10 -0400
              Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-07-28 04:20 +0000
                Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-28 04:40 +0000
                  Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-28 23:00 -0400
                    Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-29 09:37 +0100
                    Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Farley Flud <ff@gnulinux.rocks> - 2026-07-29 18:24 +0000
                Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam2616@zugschl.us> - 2026-07-28 10:48 +0200
                  Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-28 22:29 +0000
                    Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-28 23:02 -0400
                    Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam2616@zugschl.us> - 2026-07-29 08:36 +0200
                Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-28 22:57 -0400
              Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam2616@zugschl.us> - 2026-07-28 10:24 +0200
              Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-28 10:24 +0100
                Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-28 17:22 +0000
              Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-28 17:16 +0000
      Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-26 22:51 +0000
        Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again Robert Heller <heller@deepsoft.com> - 2026-07-26 23:27 +0000
          Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-26 21:23 -0400
            Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-27 04:42 +0000
              Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-27 23:43 -0400
                Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-28 11:57 +0200
                  Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-28 11:06 +0100
                Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-07-28 15:22 +0000
                  Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-29 19:13 +0200
                    Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-29 18:17 +0100
                      Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-29 20:07 +0200
                        Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-29 19:15 +0100
                        Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-29 18:18 +0000
                        Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-07-29 18:59 +0000
                          Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-29 21:59 +0200
                    Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-29 18:15 +0000
                      Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-29 19:20 +0100
                      Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-29 20:51 +0200
          Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-27 09:00 +0100
            Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-27 23:47 -0400
              Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-28 10:18 +0100
              Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-28 17:11 +0000
                Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-29 19:18 +0200
                  Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-29 18:23 +0000
                    Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-29 20:52 +0200
        Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-27 01:10 +0000
        Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again Andreas Eder <a_eder_muc@web.de> - 2026-07-27 15:45 +0200
          Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-07-27 16:16 +0000
          Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-27 18:24 +0100
            Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-27 19:55 +0200
              Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-28 09:59 +0100
                Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-28 11:59 +0200
                  Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-28 11:25 +0100
                    Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-28 17:07 +0000
                    Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-28 22:48 +0200
                  Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-28 17:00 +0000
      Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-27 00:59 +0000
        Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-27 08:54 +0100
      Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-26 21:08 -0400
        Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-27 20:04 +0200

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#89390

FromThe Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Date2026-08-01 14:15 +0100
Message-ID<114krgq$3jph9$5@dont-email.me>
In reply to#89383
On 01/08/2026 13:22, Carlos E. R. wrote:
> On 2026-07-31 15:47, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>> On 31/07/2026 13:47, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>> I don't know what my dentist uses. I know they changed software, and 
>>> they have some computer with the old system in order to see the old 
>>> data. But on their new terminal they have a 3D representation of my 
>>> mouth, they can see in isolation a single molar, in 3D.
>>
>> I cant answer for today but when my niece set up a dental practice it 
>> was all windows and the networking sucked. Microsoft didn't want  a 
>> desktop PC loaded with image processing software to talk to the x-ray 
>> machine.
>>
>> Took a week to get it all working.
> 
> Well, I have no idea how they did it. I guess they hired someone to do 
> it all.
> 
Indeed. The practice had support contracts with all the major software 
items and a support contract with the company who supplied the windows PCS.

> They did have some problem with their tools: water not coming out when 
> it should or the lamp going off. They muttered about something wrong on 
> that station.
> 
Yup. The sheer cost of setting up a dental practice astonished me. Each 
chair is tens of thousands and the whole practice was near enough a million.

-- 
Those who want slavery should have the grace to name it by its proper 
name. They must face the full meaning of that which they are advocating 
or condoning; the full, exact, specific meaning of collectivism, of its 
logical implications, of the principles upon which it is based, and of 
the ultimate consequences to which these principles will lead. They must 
face it, then decide whether this is what they want or not.

Ayn Rand.

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#89406

Fromrbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Date2026-08-01 19:07 +0000
Message-ID<nd6ueoF4198U6@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#89390
On Sat, 1 Aug 2026 14:15:06 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> Yup. The sheer cost of setting up a dental practice astonished me. Each
> chair is tens of thousands and the whole practice was near enough a
> million.

My dentist bought the practice from my former dentist about 25 years ago. 
It's her and a hygienist and unless there is a lot more traffic than I've 
ever seen I doubt it would be feasible today for a solo dentist to set 
up.

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#89418

FromRobert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net>
Date2026-08-01 23:46 +0000
Message-ID<slrn116t1be.t7v.spamtrap42@one.localnet>
In reply to#89390
On 2026-08-01, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> Yup. The sheer cost of setting up a dental practice astonished me. Each 
> chair is tens of thousands and the whole practice was near enough a million.

And unless things have changed recently, the chairs and a lot of
the other equipment are almost certainly made by one of two
companies headquartered in Newberg, Oregon, USA.  Last I heard,
https://www.a-dec.com/ has about 90% of the worldwide dental
chair (and equipment) market, while https://www.dcionline.com/
has nearly all of the other 10%.  Some of my neighbors work at
A-dec.  So, thanks for keeping my neighbors employed!

-- 
Robert Riches
spamtrap42@jacob21819.net
(Yes, that is one of my email addresses.)

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#89366

Fromrbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Date2026-07-31 19:47 +0000
Message-ID<nd4cebFlu8eU7@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#89341
On Fri, 31 Jul 2026 14:47:32 +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote:

> I don't know what my dentist uses. I know they changed software, and
> they have some computer with the old system in order to see the old
> data. But on their new terminal they have a 3D representation of my
> mouth, they can see in isolation a single molar, in 3D.

Mine has been using a new system too. She says the visualization is better 
than what she gets from x-rays. It's way down the road but she is also 
interested in 3D printing bridges and crowns rather than the current drawn 
out process of making molds and sending them off to a lab. 

It's a long way from when I was a kid and they used cable powered drills 
to create holes that they filled with mercury amalgam.

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#89290

Fromrbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Date2026-07-31 04:45 +0000
Message-ID<nd2njsF9i60U7@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#89274
On Fri, 31 Jul 2026 01:54:50 +0500, Stanislav N. aka pztrn wrote:

> Just subscribe to Arch news (e.g. via RSS) and read them before
> updating. All neccessary manual actions will be there. And try to update
> your system at least once per week (I do it on saturdays with morning
> coffee).

I installed EndeavourOS and it worked well. I did update it frequently, 
probably every two or three days, and after one update it didn't boot. I 
screwed around for a while with a USB session, chroot, and all that good 
stuff but couldn't get it fixed. I had a SUSE iso I'd been running in a VM 
on another machine and there wasn't enough work/data to worry about so I 
reinstalled.

I never could decide which got more new stuff 'pacman =Syu' or 'dnf 
update' on Fedora 44. EOS includes 'yay' which is nice for the AUR stuff.

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#89292

Fromc186282 <c186282@nnada.net>
Date2026-07-31 01:00 -0400
Message-ID<kfOdnZ0enYaOsfH3nZ2dnZfqnPSdnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#89290
On 7/31/26 00:45, rbowman wrote:
> On Fri, 31 Jul 2026 01:54:50 +0500, Stanislav N. aka pztrn wrote:
> 
>> Just subscribe to Arch news (e.g. via RSS) and read them before
>> updating. All neccessary manual actions will be there. And try to update
>> your system at least once per week (I do it on saturdays with morning
>> coffee).
> 
> I installed EndeavourOS and it worked well. I did update it frequently,
> probably every two or three days, and after one update it didn't boot. I
> screwed around for a while with a USB session, chroot, and all that good
> stuff but couldn't get it fixed. I had a SUSE iso I'd been running in a VM
> on another machine and there wasn't enough work/data to worry about so I
> reinstalled.
> 
> I never could decide which got more new stuff 'pacman =Syu' or 'dnf
> update' on Fedora 44. EOS includes 'yay' which is nice for the AUR stuff.

    I had *fair* success with Endeavour. Seems to
    be a pretty nice system.

    However, as also experienced with Manjaro, the
    UPDATES seem to soon fail. Then you have to
    dump the whole system.

    Sorry, NOT gonna replace crap with more crap.

    The Archiverse needs to get its shit together.

    And DON'T like their dual, regular + "AUR",
    repo system. Get it all TOGETHER guys !!!

    Still gonna stick mostly to "MX". It "Just Works".
    Mint is pretty much the same.

    See my notes on "DietPi" also. SOMETHING has
    gone amiss on what USED to be a good minimalist
    OS.

    The more complex and convoluted Linux distros
    become, the more ways it can all go WRONG.

    Somebody somewhere needs to look back maybe 15
    years and figure out why all that used to
    go very WELL.

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#89299

From"Stanislav N. aka pztrn" <no@email.please>
Date2026-07-31 10:30 +0500
Message-ID<114hbuh$2e0th$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#89292
31.07.2026 10:00, c186282 wrote:
>     However, as also experienced with Manjaro, the
>     UPDATES seem to soon fail. Then you have to
>     dump the whole system.
> 
>     Sorry, NOT gonna replace crap with more crap.
> 
>     The Archiverse needs to get its shit together.
> 
>     And DON'T like their dual, regular + "AUR",
>     repo system. Get it all TOGETHER guys !!!

Yet you're using distros with PPA support and most likely have one of 
them added to your repositories list. Am I right? How this is different 
with "regular + AUR"? And, actually, it is MUCH MORE WORSE!

The only thing I hate about those COPR, PPA and other type of third 
party repos in distros like Debian, Ubuntu, OpenSUSE is that there is no 
guarantee that when some dependency updates these packages will be 
rebuilt in timely manner, so it is more likely you will have broken app. 
And moreover you cannot do it yourself with simple command - you have to 
download package sources, build package, install built package, and it's 
THREE different commands.

In Arch I can do that with simple "yay PKGNAME".

We can go futher - Gentoo's portage will rebuild packages automatically 
if dependency was updated. But due to nature of distro I am not using 
it, because I have work to do, not to mangle for hours with system update.

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#89306

Fromrbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Date2026-07-31 07:44 +0000
Message-ID<nd3235F9i60U16@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#89292
On Fri, 31 Jul 2026 01:00:41 -0400, c186282 wrote:

>     And DON'T like their dual, regular + "AUR",
>     repo system. Get it all TOGETHER guys !!!

Fedora's RPMFusion isn't quite the wild west that AUR is. iirc when I was 
messing with VirtualBox I had to add RPMFusion. I got rid of both.

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#89278

Fromvallor <vallor@vallor.earth>
Date2026-07-30 23:30 +0000
Message-ID<114gmr8$25vi4$8@dont-email.me>
In reply to#89264
At 30 Jul 2026 19:03:25 GMT, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

> On Thu, 30 Jul 2026 12:33:25 +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote:
> 
> > On 2026-07-30 06:04, rbowman wrote:
> >> On Wed, 29 Jul 2026 23:38:06 -0400, c186282 wrote:
> >> 
> >>>    The "updates" usually aren't much.
> >>>
> >>>     EXCEPT perhaps browsers ... the Bad Guys are constantly trying to
> >>>     infiltrate browsers. It's an ongoing war, kinda in the literal
> >>>     sense.
> >> 
> >> Maybe. Fedora just got another kernel after a massive 9 hours of
> >> uptime.
> >> Important to me? Probably not. Do I want to skip 10 kernels before
> >> updating? No.
> > 
> > If I get another kernel that fast, it is because there was an error when
> > making the previous one. I usually get about one a month.
> 
> Leap 16 uses the 6.12 LTS from November 2024. Fedora is at 7.1.5. It 
> probably makes no difference to me but so it goes. For example 6.19 
> included improvements for btrfs. Both my Leap and Fedora boxes use btrfs 
> but I haven't noticed a difference. 
> 
> Leap 16 is Python 3.13. In October it will only receive security fixes. 
> Fedora 45 is scheduled to move to 3.15 in October when it is released. I 
> expect there will be more fixes. 
> 
> Plasma on Fedora is 6.7.2, 6.4.3 on Leap, and so forth.
> 
> Part of the decision making when selecting a distribution is how up to 
> date you want to be. Fedora is semi-rolling and has fewer surprises than a 
> rolling release like Arch or Tumbleweed while staying close to the newest 
> versions. Leap is downstream of SLED and arguably is more stable. Ubuntu 
> sort of splits the difference. 26.04's kernel is 7,0, which would have 
> been 6.20 except Torvalds ran out of fingers and toes. It's a LTS release 
> so while it has Python 3.14 I don't expect it will ever get 3.15. Ubuntu 
> derivatives like Mint are a mixed bag. Mint's kernel is 6.17, its Python 
> is 3.12. Newer kernel than Leap, older Python. I'm using those as 
> indicators. systemd is 259 on Fedora and Ubuntu, 257 on Leap, etc.
> 
> The nice thing about Linux is you get to pick your poison. 

Just a note about Mint -- you can install a later kernel using the update
manager, under view > Linux kernels.

(The latest is 7.0.0.)

-- 
-v System76 Thelio Mega v1.1 x86_64 Mem: 258G
   OS: Linux 7.1.5 D: Mint 22.3 DE: Xfce 4.18 (X11)
   NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3090Ti (24G) (610.43.02)
   "I have enough trouble single-tasking!"

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#89293

Fromrbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Date2026-07-31 05:02 +0000
Message-ID<nd2ok0F9i60U9@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#89278
On Thu, 30 Jul 2026 23:30:48 +0000, vallor wrote:

> Just a note about Mint -- you can install a later kernel using the
> update manager, under view > Linux kernels.
> 
> (The latest is 7.0.0.)

No, thanks. The update to 6.17 was bad enough. It's an old netbook with a 
Broadcom wifi chip and the dkms process would fail and it would revert to 
6.14. To even install I use a Panda USB wifi dongle. Once installed, the 
Mint driver manager was able to get a Broadcom driver. It had been working 
but not with 6.17. I was able to find a deb with one that worked. Oddly 
when troubleshooting the problem I got a lot of hits on Mac sites and I 
think that's where I finally found the update. 

I can't remember what I had on the netbook prior to Mint but it was the 
same cha-cha. Install with the dongle the iso recognized and then get the 
Broadcom driver.  I don't know if it's because it's from 2011 or if 
Broadcom support isn't up to par.

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#89302

From"Stanislav N. aka pztrn" <no@email.please>
Date2026-07-31 10:33 +0500
Message-ID<114hc2q$2e0th$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#89293
31.07.2026 10:02, rbowman wrote:
> On Thu, 30 Jul 2026 23:30:48 +0000, vallor wrote:
> 
>> Just a note about Mint -- you can install a later kernel using the
>> update manager, under view > Linux kernels.
>>
>> (The latest is 7.0.0.)
> 
> No, thanks. The update to 6.17 was bad enough. It's an old netbook with a
> Broadcom wifi chip and the dkms process would fail and it would revert to
> 6.14. To even install I use a Panda USB wifi dongle. Once installed, the
> Mint driver manager was able to get a Broadcom driver. It had been working
> but not with 6.17. I was able to find a deb with one that worked. Oddly
> when troubleshooting the problem I got a lot of hits on Mac sites and I
> think that's where I finally found the update.
> 
> I can't remember what I had on the netbook prior to Mint but it was the
> same cha-cha. Install with the dongle the iso recognized and then get the
> Broadcom driver.  I don't know if it's because it's from 2011 or if
> Broadcom support isn't up to par.

Broadcom Wi-Fi is a biggest crap in Linux world because there are no 
good driver for it. To eliminate this problem just buy an adapter or 
dongle that uses Atheros or Realtek chip.

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#89307

Fromrbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Date2026-07-31 07:56 +0000
Message-ID<nd32p8F9i60U17@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#89302
On Fri, 31 Jul 2026 10:33:14 +0500, Stanislav N. aka pztrn wrote:

> Broadcom Wi-Fi is a biggest crap in Linux world because there are no
> good driver for it. To eliminate this problem just buy an adapter or
> dongle that uses Atheros or Realtek chip.

The Panda dongle I have uses the RTL8812AU. The rest of the boxes are 
either Realtek or Intel.

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#89317

FromThe Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Date2026-07-31 12:28 +0100
Message-ID<114i0t1$2ktba$6@dont-email.me>
In reply to#89302
On 31/07/2026 06:33, Stanislav N. aka pztrn wrote:
> Broadcom Wi-Fi is a biggest crap in Linux world because there are no 
> good driver for it.

I think there is, these days.

bcmwl-kernel-source or broadcom-sta-dkms are AFAIK proprietary but 
supported by broadcom

IIRC many Raspberry Pis use a broadcom chipset, and they mostly work

But I agree, in the past it was a complete pain

Along with Nvidia GPUs, but at least they made their drivers feely available


-- 
Microsoft : the best reason to go to Linux that ever existed.

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#89335

From"Stanislav N. aka pztrn" <no@email.please>
Date2026-07-31 17:23 +0500
Message-ID<114i438$2n4jb$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#89317
31.07.2026 16:28, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 31/07/2026 06:33, Stanislav N. aka pztrn wrote:
>> Broadcom Wi-Fi is a biggest crap in Linux world because there are no 
>> good driver for it.
> 
> I think there is, these days.
> 
> bcmwl-kernel-source or broadcom-sta-dkms are AFAIK proprietary but 
> supported by broadcom
> 
> IIRC many Raspberry Pis use a broadcom chipset, and they mostly work
> 
> But I agree, in the past it was a complete pain
> 
> Along with Nvidia GPUs, but at least they made their drivers feely 
> available
> 
> 
Funny thing is that I never have any problems with nvidia graphics on 
Linux using proprietary drivers. NEVER. Running CUDA? No problems! 
Gaming with wine? Here we go! Native gaming! Lets ride!

I won't speak for power problems of course, still remembering my pain 
trying to get gtx460 working on full power, but it was solved by 
disabling powermizer. Even now there are some problems with power, 
sleep/resume...

Except Wayland, of course. Wayland and nVidia starts to work together 
very recently.

And moreover, I think laptops with intel+nvidia are best for Linux, 
because I never experienced much trouble running games on discrete card. 
On wayland it just works, on X11 I was launching games in another X 
session so composition pipeline won't ruing my input latency.

Everyone praises AMD, woohoo, open source drivers, so configurable... I 
have a desktop with 5700xt and it won't made things simplier - I have to 
specify VERY OWN RADV OPTIONS FOR ALMOST EVERYTHING TO WORK PROPERLY. 
Now that desktop gaming firmware (Windows :-D). And EVEN THERE videocard 
sometimes just get lost so I have to reinstall amd drivers... Nuts!

And yes, don't be confused with rpi working fine - they using specific 
chipset with specific radio, make BCM4313 work flawlessly :).

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#89368

Fromrbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Date2026-07-31 20:27 +0000
Message-ID<nd4ep6Flu8eU9@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#89335
On Fri, 31 Jul 2026 17:23:02 +0500, Stanislav N. aka pztrn wrote:

> Funny thing is that I never have any problems with nvidia graphics on
> Linux using proprietary drivers. NEVER. Running CUDA? No problems!
> Gaming with wine? Here we go! Native gaming! Lets ride!

You're lucky. I don't have Nvidia in any of the boxes but Nvidia problems 
seems to be a common complaint on the forums.

TensorFlow does get a bit snotty when it can't find CUDA.  I'm not sure 
even Nvidia realized the potential. AMD certainly was asleep at the wheel 
although ROCm is gaining a little traction.

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#89369

From"Stanislav N. aka pztrn" <no@email.please>
Date2026-08-01 02:02 +0500
Message-ID<114j2hl$31bsl$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#89368
01.08.2026 01:27, rbowman wrote:
> On Fri, 31 Jul 2026 17:23:02 +0500, Stanislav N. aka pztrn wrote:
> 
>> Funny thing is that I never have any problems with nvidia graphics on
>> Linux using proprietary drivers. NEVER. Running CUDA? No problems!
>> Gaming with wine? Here we go! Native gaming! Lets ride!
> 
> You're lucky. I don't have Nvidia in any of the boxes but Nvidia problems
> seems to be a common complaint on the forums.
> I do not understand my luckyness. Used variety of nvidia hardware on 
both desktop and laptops and they just works. Just like Intel videocards.

Yet with AMD cards there are always glitches here and there ¯⧹_(ツ)_⧸¯.

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#89384

From"Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>
Date2026-08-01 14:29 +0200
Message-ID<nd674sF4qvU2@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#89368
On 2026-07-31 22:27, rbowman wrote:
> On Fri, 31 Jul 2026 17:23:02 +0500, Stanislav N. aka pztrn wrote:
> 
>> Funny thing is that I never have any problems with nvidia graphics on
>> Linux using proprietary drivers. NEVER. Running CUDA? No problems!
>> Gaming with wine? Here we go! Native gaming! Lets ride!
> 
> You're lucky. I don't have Nvidia in any of the boxes but Nvidia problems
> seems to be a common complaint on the forums.

I did have NVidia, and it was trouble.

I have an old desktop that can not get the proprietary driver because it 
stopped being updated for my card, and I had to revert to the open driver.

I switched to AMD, and no more troubles.

> 
> TensorFlow does get a bit snotty when it can't find CUDA.  I'm not sure
> even Nvidia realized the potential. AMD certainly was asleep at the wheel
> although ROCm is gaining a little traction.


-- 
Cheers,
        Carlos E.R.
        ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;

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#89392

FromThe Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Date2026-08-01 14:17 +0100
Message-ID<114krlh$3jph9$6@dont-email.me>
In reply to#89384
On 01/08/2026 13:29, Carlos E. R. wrote:
> I did have NVidia, and it was trouble.
> 
> I have an old desktop that can not get the proprietary driver because it 
> stopped being updated for my card, and I had to revert to the open driver.
> 
Didn't the old one still work?

> I switched to AMD, and no more troubles.

LOL I switched to intel integrated and got the same performance with no 
separate card at all

Unless you are a gamer you wont need an extra card moistly. And gamers 
always pay thousands to get the latest and shiniest

-- 
Those who want slavery should have the grace to name it by its proper 
name. They must face the full meaning of that which they are advocating 
or condoning; the full, exact, specific meaning of collectivism, of its 
logical implications, of the principles upon which it is based, and of 
the ultimate consequences to which these principles will lead. They must 
face it, then decide whether this is what they want or not.

Ayn Rand.

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#89404

Fromrbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Date2026-08-01 18:59 +0000
Message-ID<nd6u0gF4198U5@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#89392
On Sat, 1 Aug 2026 14:17:37 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> On 01/08/2026 13:29, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>> I did have NVidia, and it was trouble.
>> 
>> I have an old desktop that can not get the proprietary driver because
>> it stopped being updated for my card, and I had to revert to the open
>> driver.
>> 
> Didn't the old one still work?
> 
>> I switched to AMD, and no more troubles.
> 
> LOL I switched to intel integrated and got the same performance with no
> separate card at all
> 
> Unless you are a gamer you wont need an extra card moistly. And gamers
> always pay thousands to get the latest and shiniest

I've got 2 of each, Intel or AMD integrated and whatever the Pi uses. 
Works for me. The last separate card I had was a AMD 2400 years ago, 
selected for cost not gaming ability.

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#89413

From"Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>
Date2026-08-01 23:15 +0200
Message-ID<nd7601F4quU6@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#89392
On 2026-08-01 15:17, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 01/08/2026 13:29, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>> I did have NVidia, and it was trouble.
>>
>> I have an old desktop that can not get the proprietary driver because 
>> it stopped being updated for my card, and I had to revert to the open 
>> driver.
>>
> Didn't the old one still work?

The old driver? Not with newer kernels, no.

The machine has some issues. One was video: no 3D. Another was 
virtualization: the CPU lacks some instructions, and vmware refused to 
update. Then memory: only 8 gigs.

> 
>> I switched to AMD, and no more troubles.
> 
> LOL I switched to intel integrated and got the same performance with no 
> separate card at all
> 

I had issues with intel drivers on another laptop. There were bugs which 
intel refused to solve. For instance, on my mini server machine: the 
mouse leaves a trail of pointers in the screen that blink. Cure is 
ctrl-alt-f1 and back.

> Unless you are a gamer you wont need an extra card moistly. And gamers 
> always pay thousands to get the latest and shiniest

My current AMD can run the few games I tried. Games that came with the 
distro. fsfg, penguins on ice, etc.


-- 
Cheers,
        Carlos E.R.
        ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;

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