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Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late

Started byc186282 <c186282@nnada.net>
First post2026-07-26 01:09 -0400
Last post2026-07-27 20:04 +0200
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  Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-26 01:09 -0400
    Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-26 07:22 +0000
      Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-26 20:37 -0400
        Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-27 01:16 +0000
    Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late John McCue <jmclnx@gmail.com.invalid> - 2026-07-26 20:00 +0000
      Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-26 22:40 +0200
        Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-26 21:10 -0400
      Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Farley Flud <ff@gnulinux.rocks> - 2026-07-26 21:24 +0000
        Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-27 01:02 +0000
          Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Farley Flud <ff@gnulinux.rocks> - 2026-07-27 02:59 +0000
            Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-26 23:18 -0400
            Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Epherma <epherma@remort.app.invalid> - 2026-07-26 20:31 -0700
              Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Farley Flud <ff@gnulinux.rocks> - 2026-07-27 04:35 +0000
                Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-27 06:37 +0100
                  Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-27 23:45 -0400
                    Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-28 18:10 +0000
                    Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Farley Flud <ff@gnulinux.rocks> - 2026-07-28 19:52 +0000
                  Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Farley Flud <ff@gnulinux.rocks> - 2026-07-28 15:17 +0000
                    Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-28 16:22 +0100
                Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-07-27 11:51 -0400
                  Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Farley Flud <ff@gnulinux.rocks> - 2026-07-27 16:22 +0000
                    Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-07-29 08:25 -0400
                      Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-07-29 08:04 -0700
                        Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-29 16:09 +0100
                          Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-29 20:33 +0100
                            Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-29 23:35 +0000
                        Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-29 19:08 +0200
                          Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-07-29 10:32 -0700
                            Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-29 20:10 +0200
                            Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-29 18:46 +0000
                              Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-07-29 12:32 -0700
                            Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-07-29 18:47 +0000
                              Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-29 23:41 -0400
                              Flawed stereotypical joke (was: Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-31 12:31 +0100
                            Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam2616@zugschl.us> - 2026-07-29 22:54 +0200
                          Re: Not Much Linux Stuff of Late Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-29 23:30 +0000
                          Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-31 12:37 +0100
                            Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-31 14:37 +0200
                              Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-31 19:32 +0000
                        Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-29 18:42 +0000
                          Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-29 23:38 -0400
                            Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-30 04:04 +0000
                              Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-30 12:33 +0200
                                Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-30 19:03 +0000
                                  Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late "Stanislav N. aka pztrn" <no@email.please> - 2026-07-31 01:54 +0500
                                    Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-30 21:13 +0000
                                      Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> - 2026-07-30 23:47 +0000
                                        Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-31 04:53 +0000
                                          Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-31 01:11 -0400
                                            Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-31 14:47 +0200
                                              Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-31 14:47 +0100
                                                Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-01 14:22 +0200
                                                  Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-01 14:15 +0100
                                              Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-31 19:47 +0000
                                    Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-31 04:45 +0000
                                      Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-31 01:00 -0400
                                        Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late "Stanislav N. aka pztrn" <no@email.please> - 2026-07-31 10:30 +0500
                                        Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-31 07:44 +0000
                                  Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> - 2026-07-30 23:30 +0000
                                    Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-31 05:02 +0000
                                      Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late "Stanislav N. aka pztrn" <no@email.please> - 2026-07-31 10:33 +0500
                                        Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-31 07:56 +0000
                                        Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-31 12:28 +0100
                                          Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late "Stanislav N. aka pztrn" <no@email.please> - 2026-07-31 17:23 +0500
                                            Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-31 20:27 +0000
                                              Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late "Stanislav N. aka pztrn" <no@email.please> - 2026-08-01 02:02 +0500
                                              Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-01 14:29 +0200
                                                Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-01 14:17 +0100
                                          Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-31 20:06 +0000
                                  Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-31 14:41 +0200
                                    Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-31 19:42 +0000
                                      Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-01 14:30 +0200
                        Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-07-30 12:34 -0400
                          Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-30 19:11 +0000
                            Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-30 21:11 +0100
                          Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Anton Antimo <anton@safunu.org> - 2026-07-30 14:05 -0300
                            Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-31 05:04 +0000
                              Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-31 01:31 -0400
                          Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-07-30 14:51 -0700
                            Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-31 12:21 +0100
                              Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-31 19:35 +0000
                            Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-07-31 12:54 -0400
                              Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-31 19:50 +0100
                                Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-08-01 07:53 -0400
                                  Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-01 14:12 +0100
                                  Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-01 18:35 +0000
                              Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-31 19:05 +0000
                      Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-29 16:07 +0100
              Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-27 04:42 +0000
                Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread (was: Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-27 08:48 +0100
                  Re: Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-27 17:19 +0100
                    Re: Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread Farley Flud <ff@gnulinux.rocks> - 2026-07-27 16:40 +0000
                      Re: Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-27 21:22 +0000
                        Re: Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-07-27 14:44 -0700
                          Re: Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-27 23:37 +0000
                        Re: Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread Farley Flud <ff@gnulinux.rocks> - 2026-07-27 21:47 +0000
                          Re: Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread Farley Flud <ff@gnulinux.rocks> - 2026-07-28 00:24 +0000
                            Re: Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-28 04:23 +0000
                          Re: Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-27 23:46 +0000
                          Re: Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-28 10:07 +0100
                            Re: Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-07-29 01:50 +0000
                              Re: Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-07-29 07:58 -0700
                              Re: Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread Farley Flud <ff@gnulinux.rocks> - 2026-07-29 18:11 +0000
                                Re: Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-29 19:16 +0100
                                Re: Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-29 19:21 +0000
                                  Re: Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-29 21:54 +0200
                                    Re: Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-29 23:43 +0000
                                  Re: Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread Farley Flud <ff@gnulinux.rocks> - 2026-07-29 21:36 +0000
                                    Re: Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-29 23:51 +0000
                            Re: Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread Farley Flud <ff@gnulinux.rocks> - 2026-07-29 02:32 +0000
                        Re: Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-07-27 17:57 -0400
                          Re: Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-28 00:03 +0000
                        Re: Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-07-28 04:11 +0000
                          Re: Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-28 04:38 +0000
                          Re: Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-28 18:19 +0000
                          Re: Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-07-29 08:19 -0400
                Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Farley Flud <ff@gnulinux.rocks> - 2026-07-27 16:11 +0000
                  Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-27 18:27 +0100
            Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-27 04:46 +0000
              Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Farley Flud <ff@gnulinux.rocks> - 2026-07-27 15:47 +0000
              Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-27 23:45 -0400
                Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-28 18:03 +0000
            Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-27 06:35 +0100
          Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-07-27 16:12 +0000
            Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-27 21:07 +0000
        Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-26 21:19 -0400
          Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Farley Flud <ff@gnulinux.rocks> - 2026-07-27 03:08 +0000
            Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-26 23:19 -0400
              Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Farley Flud <ff@gnulinux.rocks> - 2026-07-27 03:30 +0000
              Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-27 15:07 +0200
                Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Farley Flud <ff@gnulinux.rocks> - 2026-07-27 15:48 +0000
                  Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-27 18:27 +0100
                    Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Farley Flud <ff@gnulinux.rocks> - 2026-07-28 01:02 +0000
                      Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-28 10:10 +0100
                Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-28 00:01 -0400
                  Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-28 10:19 +0100
                  Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-28 11:37 +0200
                  Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-28 17:43 +0000
            Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2026-08-01 18:00 +0000
          Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam2616@zugschl.us> - 2026-07-27 16:22 +0200
            Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-27 23:07 +0000
            Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-28 00:10 -0400
              Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-07-28 04:20 +0000
                Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-28 04:40 +0000
                  Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-28 23:00 -0400
                    Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-29 09:37 +0100
                    Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Farley Flud <ff@gnulinux.rocks> - 2026-07-29 18:24 +0000
                Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam2616@zugschl.us> - 2026-07-28 10:48 +0200
                  Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-28 22:29 +0000
                    Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-28 23:02 -0400
                    Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam2616@zugschl.us> - 2026-07-29 08:36 +0200
                Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-28 22:57 -0400
              Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam2616@zugschl.us> - 2026-07-28 10:24 +0200
              Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-28 10:24 +0100
                Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-28 17:22 +0000
              Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-28 17:16 +0000
      Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-26 22:51 +0000
        Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again Robert Heller <heller@deepsoft.com> - 2026-07-26 23:27 +0000
          Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-26 21:23 -0400
            Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-27 04:42 +0000
              Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-27 23:43 -0400
                Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-28 11:57 +0200
                  Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-28 11:06 +0100
                Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-07-28 15:22 +0000
                  Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-29 19:13 +0200
                    Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-29 18:17 +0100
                      Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-29 20:07 +0200
                        Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-29 19:15 +0100
                        Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-29 18:18 +0000
                        Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-07-29 18:59 +0000
                          Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-29 21:59 +0200
                    Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-29 18:15 +0000
                      Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-29 19:20 +0100
                      Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-29 20:51 +0200
          Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-27 09:00 +0100
            Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-27 23:47 -0400
              Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-28 10:18 +0100
              Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-28 17:11 +0000
                Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-29 19:18 +0200
                  Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-29 18:23 +0000
                    Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-29 20:52 +0200
        Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-27 01:10 +0000
        Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again Andreas Eder <a_eder_muc@web.de> - 2026-07-27 15:45 +0200
          Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-07-27 16:16 +0000
          Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-27 18:24 +0100
            Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-27 19:55 +0200
              Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-28 09:59 +0100
                Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-28 11:59 +0200
                  Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-28 11:25 +0100
                    Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-28 17:07 +0000
                    Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-28 22:48 +0200
                  Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-28 17:00 +0000
      Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-27 00:59 +0000
        Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-27 08:54 +0100
      Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-26 21:08 -0400
        Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-27 20:04 +0200

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#89302

From"Stanislav N. aka pztrn" <no@email.please>
Date2026-07-31 10:33 +0500
Message-ID<114hc2q$2e0th$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#89293
31.07.2026 10:02, rbowman wrote:
> On Thu, 30 Jul 2026 23:30:48 +0000, vallor wrote:
> 
>> Just a note about Mint -- you can install a later kernel using the
>> update manager, under view > Linux kernels.
>>
>> (The latest is 7.0.0.)
> 
> No, thanks. The update to 6.17 was bad enough. It's an old netbook with a
> Broadcom wifi chip and the dkms process would fail and it would revert to
> 6.14. To even install I use a Panda USB wifi dongle. Once installed, the
> Mint driver manager was able to get a Broadcom driver. It had been working
> but not with 6.17. I was able to find a deb with one that worked. Oddly
> when troubleshooting the problem I got a lot of hits on Mac sites and I
> think that's where I finally found the update.
> 
> I can't remember what I had on the netbook prior to Mint but it was the
> same cha-cha. Install with the dongle the iso recognized and then get the
> Broadcom driver.  I don't know if it's because it's from 2011 or if
> Broadcom support isn't up to par.

Broadcom Wi-Fi is a biggest crap in Linux world because there are no 
good driver for it. To eliminate this problem just buy an adapter or 
dongle that uses Atheros or Realtek chip.

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#89307

Fromrbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Date2026-07-31 07:56 +0000
Message-ID<nd32p8F9i60U17@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#89302
On Fri, 31 Jul 2026 10:33:14 +0500, Stanislav N. aka pztrn wrote:

> Broadcom Wi-Fi is a biggest crap in Linux world because there are no
> good driver for it. To eliminate this problem just buy an adapter or
> dongle that uses Atheros or Realtek chip.

The Panda dongle I have uses the RTL8812AU. The rest of the boxes are 
either Realtek or Intel.

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#89317

FromThe Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Date2026-07-31 12:28 +0100
Message-ID<114i0t1$2ktba$6@dont-email.me>
In reply to#89302
On 31/07/2026 06:33, Stanislav N. aka pztrn wrote:
> Broadcom Wi-Fi is a biggest crap in Linux world because there are no 
> good driver for it.

I think there is, these days.

bcmwl-kernel-source or broadcom-sta-dkms are AFAIK proprietary but 
supported by broadcom

IIRC many Raspberry Pis use a broadcom chipset, and they mostly work

But I agree, in the past it was a complete pain

Along with Nvidia GPUs, but at least they made their drivers feely available


-- 
Microsoft : the best reason to go to Linux that ever existed.

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#89335

From"Stanislav N. aka pztrn" <no@email.please>
Date2026-07-31 17:23 +0500
Message-ID<114i438$2n4jb$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#89317
31.07.2026 16:28, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 31/07/2026 06:33, Stanislav N. aka pztrn wrote:
>> Broadcom Wi-Fi is a biggest crap in Linux world because there are no 
>> good driver for it.
> 
> I think there is, these days.
> 
> bcmwl-kernel-source or broadcom-sta-dkms are AFAIK proprietary but 
> supported by broadcom
> 
> IIRC many Raspberry Pis use a broadcom chipset, and they mostly work
> 
> But I agree, in the past it was a complete pain
> 
> Along with Nvidia GPUs, but at least they made their drivers feely 
> available
> 
> 
Funny thing is that I never have any problems with nvidia graphics on 
Linux using proprietary drivers. NEVER. Running CUDA? No problems! 
Gaming with wine? Here we go! Native gaming! Lets ride!

I won't speak for power problems of course, still remembering my pain 
trying to get gtx460 working on full power, but it was solved by 
disabling powermizer. Even now there are some problems with power, 
sleep/resume...

Except Wayland, of course. Wayland and nVidia starts to work together 
very recently.

And moreover, I think laptops with intel+nvidia are best for Linux, 
because I never experienced much trouble running games on discrete card. 
On wayland it just works, on X11 I was launching games in another X 
session so composition pipeline won't ruing my input latency.

Everyone praises AMD, woohoo, open source drivers, so configurable... I 
have a desktop with 5700xt and it won't made things simplier - I have to 
specify VERY OWN RADV OPTIONS FOR ALMOST EVERYTHING TO WORK PROPERLY. 
Now that desktop gaming firmware (Windows :-D). And EVEN THERE videocard 
sometimes just get lost so I have to reinstall amd drivers... Nuts!

And yes, don't be confused with rpi working fine - they using specific 
chipset with specific radio, make BCM4313 work flawlessly :).

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#89368

Fromrbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Date2026-07-31 20:27 +0000
Message-ID<nd4ep6Flu8eU9@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#89335
On Fri, 31 Jul 2026 17:23:02 +0500, Stanislav N. aka pztrn wrote:

> Funny thing is that I never have any problems with nvidia graphics on
> Linux using proprietary drivers. NEVER. Running CUDA? No problems!
> Gaming with wine? Here we go! Native gaming! Lets ride!

You're lucky. I don't have Nvidia in any of the boxes but Nvidia problems 
seems to be a common complaint on the forums.

TensorFlow does get a bit snotty when it can't find CUDA.  I'm not sure 
even Nvidia realized the potential. AMD certainly was asleep at the wheel 
although ROCm is gaining a little traction.

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#89369

From"Stanislav N. aka pztrn" <no@email.please>
Date2026-08-01 02:02 +0500
Message-ID<114j2hl$31bsl$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#89368
01.08.2026 01:27, rbowman wrote:
> On Fri, 31 Jul 2026 17:23:02 +0500, Stanislav N. aka pztrn wrote:
> 
>> Funny thing is that I never have any problems with nvidia graphics on
>> Linux using proprietary drivers. NEVER. Running CUDA? No problems!
>> Gaming with wine? Here we go! Native gaming! Lets ride!
> 
> You're lucky. I don't have Nvidia in any of the boxes but Nvidia problems
> seems to be a common complaint on the forums.
> I do not understand my luckyness. Used variety of nvidia hardware on 
both desktop and laptops and they just works. Just like Intel videocards.

Yet with AMD cards there are always glitches here and there ¯⧹_(ツ)_⧸¯.

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#89384

From"Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>
Date2026-08-01 14:29 +0200
Message-ID<nd674sF4qvU2@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#89368
On 2026-07-31 22:27, rbowman wrote:
> On Fri, 31 Jul 2026 17:23:02 +0500, Stanislav N. aka pztrn wrote:
> 
>> Funny thing is that I never have any problems with nvidia graphics on
>> Linux using proprietary drivers. NEVER. Running CUDA? No problems!
>> Gaming with wine? Here we go! Native gaming! Lets ride!
> 
> You're lucky. I don't have Nvidia in any of the boxes but Nvidia problems
> seems to be a common complaint on the forums.

I did have NVidia, and it was trouble.

I have an old desktop that can not get the proprietary driver because it 
stopped being updated for my card, and I had to revert to the open driver.

I switched to AMD, and no more troubles.

> 
> TensorFlow does get a bit snotty when it can't find CUDA.  I'm not sure
> even Nvidia realized the potential. AMD certainly was asleep at the wheel
> although ROCm is gaining a little traction.


-- 
Cheers,
        Carlos E.R.
        ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;

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#89392

FromThe Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Date2026-08-01 14:17 +0100
Message-ID<114krlh$3jph9$6@dont-email.me>
In reply to#89384
On 01/08/2026 13:29, Carlos E. R. wrote:
> I did have NVidia, and it was trouble.
> 
> I have an old desktop that can not get the proprietary driver because it 
> stopped being updated for my card, and I had to revert to the open driver.
> 
Didn't the old one still work?

> I switched to AMD, and no more troubles.

LOL I switched to intel integrated and got the same performance with no 
separate card at all

Unless you are a gamer you wont need an extra card moistly. And gamers 
always pay thousands to get the latest and shiniest

-- 
Those who want slavery should have the grace to name it by its proper 
name. They must face the full meaning of that which they are advocating 
or condoning; the full, exact, specific meaning of collectivism, of its 
logical implications, of the principles upon which it is based, and of 
the ultimate consequences to which these principles will lead. They must 
face it, then decide whether this is what they want or not.

Ayn Rand.

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#89367

Fromrbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Date2026-07-31 20:06 +0000
Message-ID<nd4dihFlu8eU8@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#89317
On Fri, 31 Jul 2026 12:28:33 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> IIRC many Raspberry Pis use a broadcom chipset, and they mostly work

My Pi 5 uses Broadcom for both WiFi and BT. They work. However I'm using 
the Trixie based Raspberry Pi OS so it damn well better have drivers for 
the Pi hardware. I've never experimented with other distros on the Pi. 
Some may quibble 'but, but, that's proprietary. Can't have that, can we?'

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#89340

From"Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>
Date2026-07-31 14:41 +0200
Message-ID<nd3jggFi6v5U9@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#89264
On 2026-07-30 21:03, rbowman wrote:
> On Thu, 30 Jul 2026 12:33:25 +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote:
> 
>> On 2026-07-30 06:04, rbowman wrote:
>>> On Wed, 29 Jul 2026 23:38:06 -0400, c186282 wrote:
>>>
>>>>     The "updates" usually aren't much.
>>>>
>>>>      EXCEPT perhaps browsers ... the Bad Guys are constantly trying to
>>>>      infiltrate browsers. It's an ongoing war, kinda in the literal
>>>>      sense.
>>>
>>> Maybe. Fedora just got another kernel after a massive 9 hours of
>>> uptime.
>>> Important to me? Probably not. Do I want to skip 10 kernels before
>>> updating? No.
>>
>> If I get another kernel that fast, it is because there was an error when
>> making the previous one. I usually get about one a month.
> 
> Leap 16 uses the 6.12 LTS from November 2024. Fedora is at 7.1.5. It
> probably makes no difference to me but so it goes. For example 6.19
> included improvements for btrfs. Both my Leap and Fedora boxes use btrfs
> but I haven't noticed a difference.

It is possible that SUSE backported features. I don't know if they did, 
but they have done so at times. They certainly backport fixes for bugs.

> 
> Leap 16 is Python 3.13. In October it will only receive security fixes.
> Fedora 45 is scheduled to move to 3.15 in October when it is released. I
> expect there will be more fixes.
> 
> Plasma on Fedora is 6.7.2, 6.4.3 on Leap, and so forth.
> 
> Part of the decision making when selecting a distribution is how up to
> date you want to be. Fedora is semi-rolling and has fewer surprises than a
> rolling release like Arch or Tumbleweed while staying close to the newest
> versions. Leap is downstream of SLED and arguably is more stable. Ubuntu
> sort of splits the difference. 26.04's kernel is 7,0, which would have
> been 6.20 except Torvalds ran out of fingers and toes. It's a LTS release
> so while it has Python 3.14 I don't expect it will ever get 3.15. Ubuntu
> derivatives like Mint are a mixed bag. Mint's kernel is 6.17, its Python
> is 3.12. Newer kernel than Leap, older Python. I'm using those as
> indicators. systemd is 259 on Fedora and Ubuntu, 257 on Leap, etc.
> 
> The nice thing about Linux is you get to pick your poison.

Me, I stay with what I know.


-- 
Cheers,
        Carlos E.R.
        ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;

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#89365

Fromrbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Date2026-07-31 19:42 +0000
Message-ID<nd4c4iFlu8eU6@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#89340
On Fri, 31 Jul 2026 14:41:52 +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote:

> Me, I stay with what I know.

Where's the fun in that?  I volunteer to walk dogs at the county animal 
services facility so I meet a wide variety of pooches. The building sits 
an a fairly large field. I go where the dogs want to go for the most part. 
Many of them only want to do laps around home. A few want to go off on a 2 
or 3 mile hike to find new smells and scenery. I prefer the latter. 

There is a metaphor or something there.

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#89385

From"Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>
Date2026-08-01 14:30 +0200
Message-ID<nd677aF4qvU3@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#89365
On 2026-07-31 21:42, rbowman wrote:
> On Fri, 31 Jul 2026 14:41:52 +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote:
> 
>> Me, I stay with what I know.
> 
> Where's the fun in that?  I volunteer to walk dogs at the county animal
> services facility so I meet a wide variety of pooches. The building sits
> an a fairly large field. I go where the dogs want to go for the most part.
> Many of them only want to do laps around home. A few want to go off on a 2
> or 3 mile hike to find new smells and scenery. I prefer the latter.
> 
> There is a metaphor or something there.

I choose my funs.

-- 
Cheers,
        Carlos E.R.
        ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;

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#89250

FromChris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us>
Date2026-07-30 12:34 -0400
Message-ID<114fue5$1udhq$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#89183
John Ames wrote this screed in ALL-CAPS (fixed):

> On Wed, 29 Jul 2026 08:25:18 -0400
> Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote:
>
>> And systemd seems to be to be a good thing. It sure minimizes boot
>> times.
>
> Does anybody really care about boot times anymore? *nix uptimes can
> generally be measured in months or years, and off an SSD even my pokey
> little Eee 904 (running Devuan with sysvinit) goes from zero to display
> manager in less than a minute.

I care about boot times for my main laptop, as I don't use the
suspend or hibernate functionality. Once past the 5-second GRUB
screen, it's 10 seconds until sddm gives the login prompt.

The only downside is that sometimes a 90-second needless wait time
occurs before shutdown. I shortened that a lot, but it came back.

-- 
Law stands mute in the midst of arms.
		-- Marcus Tullius Cicero

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#89265

Fromrbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Date2026-07-30 19:11 +0000
Message-ID<nd1lupF9i60U2@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#89250
On Thu, 30 Jul 2026 12:34:13 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

> The only downside is that sometimes a 90-second needless wait time
> occurs before shutdown. I shortened that a lot, but it came back.

'sudo shutdown' ? I'll have to try that. I sometimes do 'sudo shutdown -r 
now' out of old habits but 'sudo reboot' gets the job done with fewer 
keystrokes. The only thing I shutdown is the Win11 laptop after its 
monthly update.

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#89271

FromThe Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Date2026-07-30 21:11 +0100
Message-ID<114gb57$23orj$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#89265
On 30/07/2026 20:11, rbowman wrote:
> On Thu, 30 Jul 2026 12:34:13 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
> 
>> The only downside is that sometimes a 90-second needless wait time
>> occurs before shutdown. I shortened that a lot, but it came back.
> 
> 'sudo shutdown' ? I'll have to try that. I sometimes do 'sudo shutdown -r
> now' out of old habits but 'sudo reboot' gets the job done with fewer
> keystrokes. The only thing I shutdown is the Win11 laptop after its
> monthly update.
Oddly enough sometimes reboot isn't enough: some hardware needs a full 
power off
-- 
"Socialist governments traditionally do make a financial mess. They 
always run out of other people's money. It's quite a characteristic of them"

Margaret Thatcher

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#89273

FromAnton Antimo <anton@safunu.org>
Date2026-07-30 14:05 -0300
Message-ID<87qzkk4dd6.fsf@safunu.org>
In reply to#89250
Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> writes:

> John Ames wrote this screed in ALL-CAPS (fixed):
>
>> On Wed, 29 Jul 2026 08:25:18 -0400
>> Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote:
>>
>>> And systemd seems to be to be a good thing. It sure minimizes boot
>>> times.
>>
>> Does anybody really care about boot times anymore? *nix uptimes can
>> generally be measured in months or years, and off an SSD even my pokey
>> little Eee 904 (running Devuan with sysvinit) goes from zero to display
>> manager in less than a minute.
>
> I care about boot times for my main laptop, as I don't use the
> suspend or hibernate functionality. Once past the 5-second GRUB
> screen, it's 10 seconds until sddm gives the login prompt.
>
> The only downside is that sometimes a 90-second needless wait time
> occurs before shutdown. I shortened that a lot, but it came back.

I tried Void Linux very recently and the start-up time is very
impressive.  It doesn't run systemd.  It runs runit, a beautiful daemon
manager.

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#89294

Fromrbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Date2026-07-31 05:04 +0000
Message-ID<nd2onmF9i60U10@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#89273
On Thu, 30 Jul 2026 14:05:25 -0300, Anton Antimo wrote:

> I tried Void Linux very recently and the start-up time is very
> impressive.
>  It doesn't run systemd.  It runs runit, a beautiful daemon manager.

I have an old eeePC with antiX that uses runit. It works but given the 
inherent hardware limitations I can't make any judgment.

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#89301

Fromc186282 <c186282@nnada.net>
Date2026-07-31 01:31 -0400
Message-ID<tbicncBMNbf9rvH3nZ2dnZfqnPidnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#89294
On 7/31/26 01:04, rbowman wrote:
> On Thu, 30 Jul 2026 14:05:25 -0300, Anton Antimo wrote:
> 
>> I tried Void Linux very recently and the start-up time is very
>> impressive.
>>   It doesn't run systemd.  It runs runit, a beautiful daemon manager.
> 
> I have an old eeePC with antiX that uses runit. It works but given the
> inherent hardware limitations I can't make any judgment.

   You keep making me mourn my old EEEPc - that
   fell off a high roof SMASH !  :-)

   GREAT little unit !

   Bought a couple of other cheepos that are
   kind-of like it, but still not quite the
   same spectrum of strengths.

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#89277

FromJohn Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com>
Date2026-07-30 14:51 -0700
Message-ID<20260730145157.00001417@gmail.com>
In reply to#89250
On Thu, 30 Jul 2026 12:34:13 -0400
Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote:

> > Does anybody really care about boot times anymore? *nix uptimes can
> > generally be measured in months or years, and off an SSD even my
> > pokey little Eee 904 (running Devuan with sysvinit) goes from zero
> > to display manager in less than a minute.  
> 
> I care about boot times for my main laptop, as I don't use the
> suspend or hibernate functionality.

Far be it from me to tell you how to use your machine...but I'm curious
why you wouldn't?

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#89315

FromThe Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Date2026-07-31 12:21 +0100
Message-ID<114i0g7$2ktba$5@dont-email.me>
In reply to#89277
On 30/07/2026 22:51, John Ames wrote:
> On Thu, 30 Jul 2026 12:34:13 -0400
> Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote:
> 
>>> Does anybody really care about boot times anymore? *nix uptimes can
>>> generally be measured in months or years, and off an SSD even my
>>> pokey little Eee 904 (running Devuan with sysvinit) goes from zero
>>> to display manager in less than a minute.
>>
>> I care about boot times for my main laptop, as I don't use the
>> suspend or hibernate functionality.
> 
> Far be it from me to tell you how to use your machine...but I'm curious
> why you wouldn't?
> 

I sometimes shut mine down completely.

Shutting the lid mostly works. Until it doesn't

-- 
Microsoft : the best reason to go to Linux that ever existed.

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