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| Started by | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| First post | 2026-07-26 01:09 -0400 |
| Last post | 2026-07-27 20:04 +0200 |
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Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-26 01:09 -0400
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-26 07:22 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-26 20:37 -0400
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-27 01:16 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late John McCue <jmclnx@gmail.com.invalid> - 2026-07-26 20:00 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-26 22:40 +0200
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-26 21:10 -0400
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Farley Flud <ff@gnulinux.rocks> - 2026-07-26 21:24 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-27 01:02 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Farley Flud <ff@gnulinux.rocks> - 2026-07-27 02:59 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-26 23:18 -0400
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Epherma <epherma@remort.app.invalid> - 2026-07-26 20:31 -0700
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Farley Flud <ff@gnulinux.rocks> - 2026-07-27 04:35 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-27 06:37 +0100
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-27 23:45 -0400
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-28 18:10 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Farley Flud <ff@gnulinux.rocks> - 2026-07-28 19:52 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Farley Flud <ff@gnulinux.rocks> - 2026-07-28 15:17 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-28 16:22 +0100
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-07-27 11:51 -0400
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Farley Flud <ff@gnulinux.rocks> - 2026-07-27 16:22 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-07-29 08:25 -0400
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-07-29 08:04 -0700
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-29 16:09 +0100
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-29 20:33 +0100
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-29 23:35 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-29 19:08 +0200
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-07-29 10:32 -0700
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-29 20:10 +0200
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-29 18:46 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-07-29 12:32 -0700
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-07-29 18:47 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-29 23:41 -0400
Flawed stereotypical joke (was: Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-31 12:31 +0100
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam2616@zugschl.us> - 2026-07-29 22:54 +0200
Re: Not Much Linux Stuff of Late Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-29 23:30 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-31 12:37 +0100
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-31 14:37 +0200
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-31 19:32 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-08-01 21:11 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-01 21:54 +0000
Re: Not Much Linux Stuff of Late Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-01 23:46 +0000
Re: Not Much Linux Stuff of Late Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-02 01:34 +0000
Re: Not Much Linux Stuff of Late c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-01 23:40 -0400
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-01 23:57 -0400
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-02 00:52 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam2616@zugschl.us> - 2026-08-02 06:03 +0200
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-02 05:23 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-02 01:38 -0400
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam2616@zugschl.us> - 2026-08-02 08:41 +0200
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-29 18:42 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-29 23:38 -0400
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-30 04:04 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-30 12:33 +0200
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-30 19:03 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late "Stanislav N. aka pztrn" <no@email.please> - 2026-07-31 01:54 +0500
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-30 21:13 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> - 2026-07-30 23:47 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-31 04:53 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-31 01:11 -0400
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-31 14:47 +0200
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-31 14:47 +0100
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-01 14:22 +0200
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-01 14:15 +0100
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-01 19:07 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2026-08-01 23:46 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-31 19:47 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-31 04:45 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-31 01:00 -0400
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late "Stanislav N. aka pztrn" <no@email.please> - 2026-07-31 10:30 +0500
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-31 07:44 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> - 2026-07-30 23:30 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-31 05:02 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late "Stanislav N. aka pztrn" <no@email.please> - 2026-07-31 10:33 +0500
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-31 07:56 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-31 12:28 +0100
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late "Stanislav N. aka pztrn" <no@email.please> - 2026-07-31 17:23 +0500
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-31 20:27 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late "Stanislav N. aka pztrn" <no@email.please> - 2026-08-01 02:02 +0500
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-01 14:29 +0200
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-01 14:17 +0100
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-01 18:59 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-01 23:15 +0200
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-01 21:54 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-01 18:51 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late "Stanislav N. aka pztrn" <no@email.please> - 2026-08-01 23:54 +0500
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-01 23:39 +0100
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-31 20:06 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-31 14:41 +0200
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-31 19:42 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-01 14:30 +0200
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-07-30 12:34 -0400
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-30 19:11 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-30 21:11 +0100
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Anton Antimo <anton@safunu.org> - 2026-07-30 14:05 -0300
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-31 05:04 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-31 01:31 -0400
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-07-30 14:51 -0700
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-31 12:21 +0100
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-31 19:35 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-07-31 12:54 -0400
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-31 19:50 +0100
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-08-01 07:53 -0400
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-01 14:12 +0100
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-01 18:35 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-01 21:32 -0400
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-31 19:05 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-29 16:07 +0100
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-27 04:42 +0000
Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread (was: Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-27 08:48 +0100
Re: Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-27 17:19 +0100
Re: Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread Farley Flud <ff@gnulinux.rocks> - 2026-07-27 16:40 +0000
Re: Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-27 21:22 +0000
Re: Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-07-27 14:44 -0700
Re: Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-27 23:37 +0000
Re: Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread Farley Flud <ff@gnulinux.rocks> - 2026-07-27 21:47 +0000
Re: Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread Farley Flud <ff@gnulinux.rocks> - 2026-07-28 00:24 +0000
Re: Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-28 04:23 +0000
Re: Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-27 23:46 +0000
Re: Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-28 10:07 +0100
Re: Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-07-29 01:50 +0000
Re: Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-07-29 07:58 -0700
Re: Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread Farley Flud <ff@gnulinux.rocks> - 2026-07-29 18:11 +0000
Re: Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-29 19:16 +0100
Re: Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-29 19:21 +0000
Re: Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-29 21:54 +0200
Re: Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-29 23:43 +0000
Re: Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread Farley Flud <ff@gnulinux.rocks> - 2026-07-29 21:36 +0000
Re: Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-29 23:51 +0000
Re: Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread Farley Flud <ff@gnulinux.rocks> - 2026-07-29 02:32 +0000
Re: Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-07-27 17:57 -0400
Re: Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-28 00:03 +0000
Re: Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-07-28 04:11 +0000
Re: Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-28 04:38 +0000
Re: Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-28 18:19 +0000
Re: Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-07-29 08:19 -0400
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Farley Flud <ff@gnulinux.rocks> - 2026-07-27 16:11 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-27 18:27 +0100
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-27 04:46 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Farley Flud <ff@gnulinux.rocks> - 2026-07-27 15:47 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-27 23:45 -0400
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-28 18:03 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-27 06:35 +0100
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-07-27 16:12 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-27 21:07 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-26 21:19 -0400
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Farley Flud <ff@gnulinux.rocks> - 2026-07-27 03:08 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-26 23:19 -0400
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Farley Flud <ff@gnulinux.rocks> - 2026-07-27 03:30 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-27 15:07 +0200
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Farley Flud <ff@gnulinux.rocks> - 2026-07-27 15:48 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-27 18:27 +0100
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Farley Flud <ff@gnulinux.rocks> - 2026-07-28 01:02 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-28 10:10 +0100
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-28 00:01 -0400
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-28 10:19 +0100
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-28 11:37 +0200
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-28 17:43 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2026-08-01 18:00 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late FF <fflud@linux.rocks> - 2026-08-01 19:09 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-01 22:00 -0400
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam2616@zugschl.us> - 2026-07-27 16:22 +0200
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-27 23:07 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-28 00:10 -0400
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-07-28 04:20 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-28 04:40 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-28 23:00 -0400
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-29 09:37 +0100
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Farley Flud <ff@gnulinux.rocks> - 2026-07-29 18:24 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam2616@zugschl.us> - 2026-07-28 10:48 +0200
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-28 22:29 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-28 23:02 -0400
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam2616@zugschl.us> - 2026-07-29 08:36 +0200
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-28 22:57 -0400
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam2616@zugschl.us> - 2026-07-28 10:24 +0200
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-28 10:24 +0100
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-28 17:22 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-28 17:16 +0000
Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-26 22:51 +0000
Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again Robert Heller <heller@deepsoft.com> - 2026-07-26 23:27 +0000
Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-26 21:23 -0400
Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-27 04:42 +0000
Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-27 23:43 -0400
Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-28 11:57 +0200
Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-28 11:06 +0100
Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-07-28 15:22 +0000
Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-29 19:13 +0200
Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-29 18:17 +0100
Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-29 20:07 +0200
Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-29 19:15 +0100
Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-29 18:18 +0000
Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-07-29 18:59 +0000
Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-29 21:59 +0200
Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-29 18:15 +0000
Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-29 19:20 +0100
Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-29 20:51 +0200
Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-27 09:00 +0100
Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-27 23:47 -0400
Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-28 10:18 +0100
Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-28 17:11 +0000
Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-29 19:18 +0200
Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-29 18:23 +0000
Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-29 20:52 +0200
Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-27 01:10 +0000
Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again Andreas Eder <a_eder_muc@web.de> - 2026-07-27 15:45 +0200
Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-07-27 16:16 +0000
Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-27 18:24 +0100
Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-27 19:55 +0200
Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-28 09:59 +0100
Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-28 11:59 +0200
Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-28 11:25 +0100
Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-28 17:07 +0000
Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-28 22:48 +0200
Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-28 17:00 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-27 00:59 +0000
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-27 08:54 +0100
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-26 21:08 -0400
Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-27 20:04 +0200
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-08-01 14:17 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <114krlh$3jph9$6@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #89384 |
On 01/08/2026 13:29, Carlos E. R. wrote: > I did have NVidia, and it was trouble. > > I have an old desktop that can not get the proprietary driver because it > stopped being updated for my card, and I had to revert to the open driver. > Didn't the old one still work? > I switched to AMD, and no more troubles. LOL I switched to intel integrated and got the same performance with no separate card at all Unless you are a gamer you wont need an extra card moistly. And gamers always pay thousands to get the latest and shiniest -- Those who want slavery should have the grace to name it by its proper name. They must face the full meaning of that which they are advocating or condoning; the full, exact, specific meaning of collectivism, of its logical implications, of the principles upon which it is based, and of the ultimate consequences to which these principles will lead. They must face it, then decide whether this is what they want or not. Ayn Rand.
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-08-01 18:59 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <nd6u0gF4198U5@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #89392 |
On Sat, 1 Aug 2026 14:17:37 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > On 01/08/2026 13:29, Carlos E. R. wrote: >> I did have NVidia, and it was trouble. >> >> I have an old desktop that can not get the proprietary driver because >> it stopped being updated for my card, and I had to revert to the open >> driver. >> > Didn't the old one still work? > >> I switched to AMD, and no more troubles. > > LOL I switched to intel integrated and got the same performance with no > separate card at all > > Unless you are a gamer you wont need an extra card moistly. And gamers > always pay thousands to get the latest and shiniest I've got 2 of each, Intel or AMD integrated and whatever the Pi uses. Works for me. The last separate card I had was a AMD 2400 years ago, selected for cost not gaming ability.
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| From | "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-08-01 23:15 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <nd7601F4quU6@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #89392 |
On 2026-08-01 15:17, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 01/08/2026 13:29, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>> I did have NVidia, and it was trouble.
>>
>> I have an old desktop that can not get the proprietary driver because
>> it stopped being updated for my card, and I had to revert to the open
>> driver.
>>
> Didn't the old one still work?
The old driver? Not with newer kernels, no.
The machine has some issues. One was video: no 3D. Another was
virtualization: the CPU lacks some instructions, and vmware refused to
update. Then memory: only 8 gigs.
>
>> I switched to AMD, and no more troubles.
>
> LOL I switched to intel integrated and got the same performance with no
> separate card at all
>
I had issues with intel drivers on another laptop. There were bugs which
intel refused to solve. For instance, on my mini server machine: the
mouse leaves a trail of pointers in the screen that blink. Cure is
ctrl-alt-f1 and back.
> Unless you are a gamer you wont need an extra card moistly. And gamers
> always pay thousands to get the latest and shiniest
My current AMD can run the few games I tried. Games that came with the
distro. fsfg, penguins on ice, etc.
--
Cheers,
Carlos E.R.
ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-08-01 21:54 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <SWtbS.9701$YhN7.6328@fx34.iad> |
| In reply to | #89392 |
On 2026-08-01, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote: > On 01/08/2026 13:29, Carlos E. R. wrote: > >> I did have NVidia, and it was trouble. >> >> I have an old desktop that can not get the proprietary driver because it >> stopped being updated for my card, and I had to revert to the open driver. >> > Didn't the old one still work? I was in a similar situation. I have Nvidia cards and generally have had no problems, at least as long as I use their proprietary drives. (Nouveau would lock up too often for me.) However, when I updated one machine to Debian Bookworm, it wouldn't accept the driver I was using; I upgraded to a newer driver and it wouldn't accept my graphics card. Replacing the graphics card with a newer model got things going again. >> I switched to AMD, and no more troubles. So far Nvidia stuff still works for me. -- /~\ Charlie Gibbs | In this world there are \ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | two kinds of people: X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | 1. Those who can extrapolate / \ if you read it the right way. | from incomplete data.
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-08-01 18:51 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <nd6th2F4198U4@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #89384 |
On Sat, 1 Aug 2026 14:29:16 +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote: > I did have NVidia, and it was trouble. > > I have an old desktop that can not get the proprietary driver because it > stopped being updated for my card, and I had to revert to the open > driver. > > I switched to AMD, and no more troubles. The last video adapter I bought was an ATI Radeon 2400 but that was about 15 years ago. The original card failed and all I could find locally were high end cards for gamers so it probably was the cheapest thing on Amazon. It worked. That was the last build I did before deciding COTS boxes met my needs and were cheaper than DIY. The thrill of choosing mobos and components and hoping it would all work wore off. Everything I have now is either Intel or AMD integrated graphics. Works for me. TensorFlow would be happier with a GPU but it will fall back to a CPU, good enough for the toy models I work with.
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| From | "Stanislav N. aka pztrn" <no@email.please> |
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| Date | 2026-08-01 23:54 +0500 |
| Message-ID | <114lfe0$3rnr4$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #89384 |
01.08.2026 17:29, Carlos E. R. wrote: > On 2026-07-31 22:27, rbowman wrote: >> On Fri, 31 Jul 2026 17:23:02 +0500, Stanislav N. aka pztrn wrote: >> >>> Funny thing is that I never have any problems with nvidia graphics on >>> Linux using proprietary drivers. NEVER. Running CUDA? No problems! >>> Gaming with wine? Here we go! Native gaming! Lets ride! >> >> You're lucky. I don't have Nvidia in any of the boxes but Nvidia problems >> seems to be a common complaint on the forums. > > I did have NVidia, and it was trouble. > > I have an old desktop that can not get the proprietary driver because it > stopped being updated for my card, and I had to revert to the open driver.Aha, old cards will definetely have problems. I was speaking only for supported cards.
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| From | Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-08-01 23:39 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <114lsjk$3vpsc$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #89403 |
On 2026-08-01, Stanislav N. aka pztrn wrote: > 01.08.2026 17:29, Carlos E. R. wrote: >> On 2026-07-31 22:27, rbowman wrote: >>> On Fri, 31 Jul 2026 17:23:02 +0500, Stanislav N. aka pztrn wrote: >>> >>>> Funny thing is that I never have any problems with nvidia graphics on >>>> Linux using proprietary drivers. NEVER. Running CUDA? No problems! >>>> Gaming with wine? Here we go! Native gaming! Lets ride! >>> >>> You're lucky. I don't have Nvidia in any of the boxes but Nvidia problems >>> seems to be a common complaint on the forums. >> >> I did have NVidia, and it was trouble. >> >> I have an old desktop that can not get the proprietary driver >> because it stopped being updated for my card, and I had to revert to >> the open driver.Aha, old cards will definetely have problems. I was >> speaking only for > supported cards. (Please try leaving one blank line between your response text and the quoted text if you aren't doing so already. I seem to recall this was advice for some clients at some point, and judging from the body of your post, it might also apply to current-day Thunderbird.) -- Nuno Silva
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-07-31 20:06 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <nd4dihFlu8eU8@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #89317 |
On Fri, 31 Jul 2026 12:28:33 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > IIRC many Raspberry Pis use a broadcom chipset, and they mostly work My Pi 5 uses Broadcom for both WiFi and BT. They work. However I'm using the Trixie based Raspberry Pi OS so it damn well better have drivers for the Pi hardware. I've never experimented with other distros on the Pi. Some may quibble 'but, but, that's proprietary. Can't have that, can we?'
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| From | "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-07-31 14:41 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <nd3jggFi6v5U9@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #89264 |
On 2026-07-30 21:03, rbowman wrote:
> On Thu, 30 Jul 2026 12:33:25 +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>
>> On 2026-07-30 06:04, rbowman wrote:
>>> On Wed, 29 Jul 2026 23:38:06 -0400, c186282 wrote:
>>>
>>>> The "updates" usually aren't much.
>>>>
>>>> EXCEPT perhaps browsers ... the Bad Guys are constantly trying to
>>>> infiltrate browsers. It's an ongoing war, kinda in the literal
>>>> sense.
>>>
>>> Maybe. Fedora just got another kernel after a massive 9 hours of
>>> uptime.
>>> Important to me? Probably not. Do I want to skip 10 kernels before
>>> updating? No.
>>
>> If I get another kernel that fast, it is because there was an error when
>> making the previous one. I usually get about one a month.
>
> Leap 16 uses the 6.12 LTS from November 2024. Fedora is at 7.1.5. It
> probably makes no difference to me but so it goes. For example 6.19
> included improvements for btrfs. Both my Leap and Fedora boxes use btrfs
> but I haven't noticed a difference.
It is possible that SUSE backported features. I don't know if they did,
but they have done so at times. They certainly backport fixes for bugs.
>
> Leap 16 is Python 3.13. In October it will only receive security fixes.
> Fedora 45 is scheduled to move to 3.15 in October when it is released. I
> expect there will be more fixes.
>
> Plasma on Fedora is 6.7.2, 6.4.3 on Leap, and so forth.
>
> Part of the decision making when selecting a distribution is how up to
> date you want to be. Fedora is semi-rolling and has fewer surprises than a
> rolling release like Arch or Tumbleweed while staying close to the newest
> versions. Leap is downstream of SLED and arguably is more stable. Ubuntu
> sort of splits the difference. 26.04's kernel is 7,0, which would have
> been 6.20 except Torvalds ran out of fingers and toes. It's a LTS release
> so while it has Python 3.14 I don't expect it will ever get 3.15. Ubuntu
> derivatives like Mint are a mixed bag. Mint's kernel is 6.17, its Python
> is 3.12. Newer kernel than Leap, older Python. I'm using those as
> indicators. systemd is 259 on Fedora and Ubuntu, 257 on Leap, etc.
>
> The nice thing about Linux is you get to pick your poison.
Me, I stay with what I know.
--
Cheers,
Carlos E.R.
ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-07-31 19:42 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <nd4c4iFlu8eU6@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #89340 |
On Fri, 31 Jul 2026 14:41:52 +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote: > Me, I stay with what I know. Where's the fun in that? I volunteer to walk dogs at the county animal services facility so I meet a wide variety of pooches. The building sits an a fairly large field. I go where the dogs want to go for the most part. Many of them only want to do laps around home. A few want to go off on a 2 or 3 mile hike to find new smells and scenery. I prefer the latter. There is a metaphor or something there.
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| From | "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-08-01 14:30 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <nd677aF4qvU3@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #89365 |
On 2026-07-31 21:42, rbowman wrote:
> On Fri, 31 Jul 2026 14:41:52 +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>
>> Me, I stay with what I know.
>
> Where's the fun in that? I volunteer to walk dogs at the county animal
> services facility so I meet a wide variety of pooches. The building sits
> an a fairly large field. I go where the dogs want to go for the most part.
> Many of them only want to do laps around home. A few want to go off on a 2
> or 3 mile hike to find new smells and scenery. I prefer the latter.
>
> There is a metaphor or something there.
I choose my funs.
--
Cheers,
Carlos E.R.
ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> |
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| Date | 2026-07-30 12:34 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <114fue5$1udhq$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #89183 |
John Ames wrote this screed in ALL-CAPS (fixed): > On Wed, 29 Jul 2026 08:25:18 -0400 > Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote: > >> And systemd seems to be to be a good thing. It sure minimizes boot >> times. > > Does anybody really care about boot times anymore? *nix uptimes can > generally be measured in months or years, and off an SSD even my pokey > little Eee 904 (running Devuan with sysvinit) goes from zero to display > manager in less than a minute. I care about boot times for my main laptop, as I don't use the suspend or hibernate functionality. Once past the 5-second GRUB screen, it's 10 seconds until sddm gives the login prompt. The only downside is that sometimes a 90-second needless wait time occurs before shutdown. I shortened that a lot, but it came back. -- Law stands mute in the midst of arms. -- Marcus Tullius Cicero
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-07-30 19:11 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <nd1lupF9i60U2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #89250 |
On Thu, 30 Jul 2026 12:34:13 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom wrote: > The only downside is that sometimes a 90-second needless wait time > occurs before shutdown. I shortened that a lot, but it came back. 'sudo shutdown' ? I'll have to try that. I sometimes do 'sudo shutdown -r now' out of old habits but 'sudo reboot' gets the job done with fewer keystrokes. The only thing I shutdown is the Win11 laptop after its monthly update.
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-07-30 21:11 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <114gb57$23orj$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #89265 |
On 30/07/2026 20:11, rbowman wrote: > On Thu, 30 Jul 2026 12:34:13 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom wrote: > >> The only downside is that sometimes a 90-second needless wait time >> occurs before shutdown. I shortened that a lot, but it came back. > > 'sudo shutdown' ? I'll have to try that. I sometimes do 'sudo shutdown -r > now' out of old habits but 'sudo reboot' gets the job done with fewer > keystrokes. The only thing I shutdown is the Win11 laptop after its > monthly update. Oddly enough sometimes reboot isn't enough: some hardware needs a full power off -- "Socialist governments traditionally do make a financial mess. They always run out of other people's money. It's quite a characteristic of them" Margaret Thatcher
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| From | Anton Antimo <anton@safunu.org> |
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| Date | 2026-07-30 14:05 -0300 |
| Message-ID | <87qzkk4dd6.fsf@safunu.org> |
| In reply to | #89250 |
Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> writes: > John Ames wrote this screed in ALL-CAPS (fixed): > >> On Wed, 29 Jul 2026 08:25:18 -0400 >> Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote: >> >>> And systemd seems to be to be a good thing. It sure minimizes boot >>> times. >> >> Does anybody really care about boot times anymore? *nix uptimes can >> generally be measured in months or years, and off an SSD even my pokey >> little Eee 904 (running Devuan with sysvinit) goes from zero to display >> manager in less than a minute. > > I care about boot times for my main laptop, as I don't use the > suspend or hibernate functionality. Once past the 5-second GRUB > screen, it's 10 seconds until sddm gives the login prompt. > > The only downside is that sometimes a 90-second needless wait time > occurs before shutdown. I shortened that a lot, but it came back. I tried Void Linux very recently and the start-up time is very impressive. It doesn't run systemd. It runs runit, a beautiful daemon manager.
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-07-31 05:04 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <nd2onmF9i60U10@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #89273 |
On Thu, 30 Jul 2026 14:05:25 -0300, Anton Antimo wrote: > I tried Void Linux very recently and the start-up time is very > impressive. > It doesn't run systemd. It runs runit, a beautiful daemon manager. I have an old eeePC with antiX that uses runit. It works but given the inherent hardware limitations I can't make any judgment.
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2026-07-31 01:31 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <tbicncBMNbf9rvH3nZ2dnZfqnPidnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #89294 |
On 7/31/26 01:04, rbowman wrote: > On Thu, 30 Jul 2026 14:05:25 -0300, Anton Antimo wrote: > >> I tried Void Linux very recently and the start-up time is very >> impressive. >> It doesn't run systemd. It runs runit, a beautiful daemon manager. > > I have an old eeePC with antiX that uses runit. It works but given the > inherent hardware limitations I can't make any judgment. You keep making me mourn my old EEEPc - that fell off a high roof SMASH ! :-) GREAT little unit ! Bought a couple of other cheepos that are kind-of like it, but still not quite the same spectrum of strengths.
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| From | John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2026-07-30 14:51 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <20260730145157.00001417@gmail.com> |
| In reply to | #89250 |
On Thu, 30 Jul 2026 12:34:13 -0400 Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote: > > Does anybody really care about boot times anymore? *nix uptimes can > > generally be measured in months or years, and off an SSD even my > > pokey little Eee 904 (running Devuan with sysvinit) goes from zero > > to display manager in less than a minute. > > I care about boot times for my main laptop, as I don't use the > suspend or hibernate functionality. Far be it from me to tell you how to use your machine...but I'm curious why you wouldn't?
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-07-31 12:21 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <114i0g7$2ktba$5@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #89277 |
On 30/07/2026 22:51, John Ames wrote: > On Thu, 30 Jul 2026 12:34:13 -0400 > Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote: > >>> Does anybody really care about boot times anymore? *nix uptimes can >>> generally be measured in months or years, and off an SSD even my >>> pokey little Eee 904 (running Devuan with sysvinit) goes from zero >>> to display manager in less than a minute. >> >> I care about boot times for my main laptop, as I don't use the >> suspend or hibernate functionality. > > Far be it from me to tell you how to use your machine...but I'm curious > why you wouldn't? > I sometimes shut mine down completely. Shutting the lid mostly works. Until it doesn't -- Microsoft : the best reason to go to Linux that ever existed.
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-07-31 19:35 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <nd4bokFlu8eU5@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #89315 |
On Fri, 31 Jul 2026 12:21:43 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > On 30/07/2026 22:51, John Ames wrote: >> On Thu, 30 Jul 2026 12:34:13 -0400 Chris Ahlstrom >> <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote: >> >>>> Does anybody really care about boot times anymore? *nix uptimes can >>>> generally be measured in months or years, and off an SSD even my >>>> pokey little Eee 904 (running Devuan with sysvinit) goes from zero to >>>> display manager in less than a minute. >>> >>> I care about boot times for my main laptop, as I don't use the suspend >>> or hibernate functionality. >> >> Far be it from me to tell you how to use your machine...but I'm curious >> why you wouldn't? >> >> > I sometimes shut mine down completely. > > Shutting the lid mostly works. Until it doesn't Leap 16 on the Lenovo and Mint on the Acer are well behaved so far. EndeavourOS on the Lenovo was a crap shoot.
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