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Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late

Started byc186282 <c186282@nnada.net>
First post2026-07-26 01:09 -0400
Last post2026-07-27 20:04 +0200
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  Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-26 01:09 -0400
    Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-26 07:22 +0000
      Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-26 20:37 -0400
        Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-27 01:16 +0000
    Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late John McCue <jmclnx@gmail.com.invalid> - 2026-07-26 20:00 +0000
      Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-26 22:40 +0200
        Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-26 21:10 -0400
      Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Farley Flud <ff@gnulinux.rocks> - 2026-07-26 21:24 +0000
        Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-27 01:02 +0000
          Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Farley Flud <ff@gnulinux.rocks> - 2026-07-27 02:59 +0000
            Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-26 23:18 -0400
            Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Epherma <epherma@remort.app.invalid> - 2026-07-26 20:31 -0700
              Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Farley Flud <ff@gnulinux.rocks> - 2026-07-27 04:35 +0000
                Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-27 06:37 +0100
                  Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-27 23:45 -0400
                    Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-28 18:10 +0000
                    Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Farley Flud <ff@gnulinux.rocks> - 2026-07-28 19:52 +0000
                  Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Farley Flud <ff@gnulinux.rocks> - 2026-07-28 15:17 +0000
                    Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-28 16:22 +0100
                Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-07-27 11:51 -0400
                  Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Farley Flud <ff@gnulinux.rocks> - 2026-07-27 16:22 +0000
                    Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-07-29 08:25 -0400
                      Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-07-29 08:04 -0700
                        Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-29 16:09 +0100
                          Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-29 20:33 +0100
                            Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-29 23:35 +0000
                        Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-29 19:08 +0200
                          Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-07-29 10:32 -0700
                            Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-29 20:10 +0200
                            Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-29 18:46 +0000
                              Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-07-29 12:32 -0700
                            Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-07-29 18:47 +0000
                              Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-29 23:41 -0400
                              Flawed stereotypical joke (was: Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-31 12:31 +0100
                            Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam2616@zugschl.us> - 2026-07-29 22:54 +0200
                          Re: Not Much Linux Stuff of Late Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-29 23:30 +0000
                          Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-31 12:37 +0100
                            Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-31 14:37 +0200
                              Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-31 19:32 +0000
                            Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-08-01 21:11 +0000
                              Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-01 21:54 +0000
                                Re: Not Much Linux Stuff of Late Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-01 23:46 +0000
                                  Re: Not Much Linux Stuff of Late Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-02 01:34 +0000
                                    Re: Not Much Linux Stuff of Late c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-01 23:40 -0400
                                  Re: Not Much Linux Stuff of Late Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-02 08:52 +0100
                                Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-01 23:57 -0400
                              Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-02 00:52 +0000
                              Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam2616@zugschl.us> - 2026-08-02 06:03 +0200
                                Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-02 05:23 +0000
                                  Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-02 01:38 -0400
                                  Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam2616@zugschl.us> - 2026-08-02 08:41 +0200
                                    Re: Not Much Linux Stuff of Late Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-02 09:44 +0000
                        Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-29 18:42 +0000
                          Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-29 23:38 -0400
                            Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-30 04:04 +0000
                              Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-30 12:33 +0200
                                Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-30 19:03 +0000
                                  Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late "Stanislav N. aka pztrn" <no@email.please> - 2026-07-31 01:54 +0500
                                    Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-30 21:13 +0000
                                      Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> - 2026-07-30 23:47 +0000
                                        Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-31 04:53 +0000
                                          Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-31 01:11 -0400
                                            Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-31 14:47 +0200
                                              Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-31 14:47 +0100
                                                Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-01 14:22 +0200
                                                  Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-01 14:15 +0100
                                                    Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-01 19:07 +0000
                                                    Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2026-08-01 23:46 +0000
                                              Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-31 19:47 +0000
                                    Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-31 04:45 +0000
                                      Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-31 01:00 -0400
                                        Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late "Stanislav N. aka pztrn" <no@email.please> - 2026-07-31 10:30 +0500
                                        Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-31 07:44 +0000
                                  Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> - 2026-07-30 23:30 +0000
                                    Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-31 05:02 +0000
                                      Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late "Stanislav N. aka pztrn" <no@email.please> - 2026-07-31 10:33 +0500
                                        Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-31 07:56 +0000
                                        Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-31 12:28 +0100
                                          Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late "Stanislav N. aka pztrn" <no@email.please> - 2026-07-31 17:23 +0500
                                            Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-31 20:27 +0000
                                              Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late "Stanislav N. aka pztrn" <no@email.please> - 2026-08-01 02:02 +0500
                                              Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-01 14:29 +0200
                                                Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-01 14:17 +0100
                                                  Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-01 18:59 +0000
                                                  Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-01 23:15 +0200
                                                  Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-01 21:54 +0000
                                                Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-01 18:51 +0000
                                                Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late "Stanislav N. aka pztrn" <no@email.please> - 2026-08-01 23:54 +0500
                                                  Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-01 23:39 +0100
                                          Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-31 20:06 +0000
                                  Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-31 14:41 +0200
                                    Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-31 19:42 +0000
                                      Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-01 14:30 +0200
                        Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-07-30 12:34 -0400
                          Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-30 19:11 +0000
                            Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-30 21:11 +0100
                          Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Anton Antimo <anton@safunu.org> - 2026-07-30 14:05 -0300
                            Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-31 05:04 +0000
                              Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-31 01:31 -0400
                          Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-07-30 14:51 -0700
                            Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-31 12:21 +0100
                              Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-31 19:35 +0000
                            Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-07-31 12:54 -0400
                              Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-31 19:50 +0100
                                Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-08-01 07:53 -0400
                                  Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-01 14:12 +0100
                                  Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-01 18:35 +0000
                                  Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-01 21:32 -0400
                              Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-31 19:05 +0000
                      Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-29 16:07 +0100
              Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-27 04:42 +0000
                Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread (was: Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-27 08:48 +0100
                  Re: Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-27 17:19 +0100
                    Re: Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread Farley Flud <ff@gnulinux.rocks> - 2026-07-27 16:40 +0000
                      Re: Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-27 21:22 +0000
                        Re: Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-07-27 14:44 -0700
                          Re: Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-27 23:37 +0000
                        Re: Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread Farley Flud <ff@gnulinux.rocks> - 2026-07-27 21:47 +0000
                          Re: Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread Farley Flud <ff@gnulinux.rocks> - 2026-07-28 00:24 +0000
                            Re: Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-28 04:23 +0000
                          Re: Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-27 23:46 +0000
                          Re: Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-28 10:07 +0100
                            Re: Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-07-29 01:50 +0000
                              Re: Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-07-29 07:58 -0700
                              Re: Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread Farley Flud <ff@gnulinux.rocks> - 2026-07-29 18:11 +0000
                                Re: Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-29 19:16 +0100
                                Re: Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-29 19:21 +0000
                                  Re: Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-29 21:54 +0200
                                    Re: Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-29 23:43 +0000
                                  Re: Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread Farley Flud <ff@gnulinux.rocks> - 2026-07-29 21:36 +0000
                                    Re: Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-29 23:51 +0000
                            Re: Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread Farley Flud <ff@gnulinux.rocks> - 2026-07-29 02:32 +0000
                        Re: Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-07-27 17:57 -0400
                          Re: Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-28 00:03 +0000
                        Re: Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-07-28 04:11 +0000
                          Re: Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-28 04:38 +0000
                          Re: Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-28 18:19 +0000
                          Re: Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-07-29 08:19 -0400
                Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Farley Flud <ff@gnulinux.rocks> - 2026-07-27 16:11 +0000
                  Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-27 18:27 +0100
            Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-27 04:46 +0000
              Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Farley Flud <ff@gnulinux.rocks> - 2026-07-27 15:47 +0000
              Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-27 23:45 -0400
                Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-28 18:03 +0000
            Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-27 06:35 +0100
          Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-07-27 16:12 +0000
            Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-27 21:07 +0000
        Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-26 21:19 -0400
          Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Farley Flud <ff@gnulinux.rocks> - 2026-07-27 03:08 +0000
            Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-26 23:19 -0400
              Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Farley Flud <ff@gnulinux.rocks> - 2026-07-27 03:30 +0000
              Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-27 15:07 +0200
                Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Farley Flud <ff@gnulinux.rocks> - 2026-07-27 15:48 +0000
                  Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-27 18:27 +0100
                    Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Farley Flud <ff@gnulinux.rocks> - 2026-07-28 01:02 +0000
                      Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-28 10:10 +0100
                Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-28 00:01 -0400
                  Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-28 10:19 +0100
                  Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-28 11:37 +0200
                  Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-28 17:43 +0000
            Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2026-08-01 18:00 +0000
              Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late FF <fflud@linux.rocks> - 2026-08-01 19:09 +0000
              Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-01 22:00 -0400
          Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam2616@zugschl.us> - 2026-07-27 16:22 +0200
            Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-27 23:07 +0000
            Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-28 00:10 -0400
              Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-07-28 04:20 +0000
                Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-28 04:40 +0000
                  Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-28 23:00 -0400
                    Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-29 09:37 +0100
                    Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Farley Flud <ff@gnulinux.rocks> - 2026-07-29 18:24 +0000
                Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam2616@zugschl.us> - 2026-07-28 10:48 +0200
                  Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-28 22:29 +0000
                    Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-28 23:02 -0400
                    Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam2616@zugschl.us> - 2026-07-29 08:36 +0200
                Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-28 22:57 -0400
              Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam2616@zugschl.us> - 2026-07-28 10:24 +0200
              Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-28 10:24 +0100
                Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-28 17:22 +0000
              Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-28 17:16 +0000
      Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-26 22:51 +0000
        Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again Robert Heller <heller@deepsoft.com> - 2026-07-26 23:27 +0000
          Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-26 21:23 -0400
            Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-27 04:42 +0000
              Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-27 23:43 -0400
                Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-28 11:57 +0200
                  Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-28 11:06 +0100
                Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-07-28 15:22 +0000
                  Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-29 19:13 +0200
                    Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-29 18:17 +0100
                      Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-29 20:07 +0200
                        Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-29 19:15 +0100
                        Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-29 18:18 +0000
                        Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-07-29 18:59 +0000
                          Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-29 21:59 +0200
                    Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-29 18:15 +0000
                      Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-29 19:20 +0100
                      Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-29 20:51 +0200
          Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-27 09:00 +0100
            Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-27 23:47 -0400
              Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-28 10:18 +0100
              Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-28 17:11 +0000
                Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-29 19:18 +0200
                  Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-29 18:23 +0000
                    Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-29 20:52 +0200
        Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-27 01:10 +0000
        Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again Andreas Eder <a_eder_muc@web.de> - 2026-07-27 15:45 +0200
          Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-07-27 16:16 +0000
          Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-27 18:24 +0100
            Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-27 19:55 +0200
              Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-28 09:59 +0100
                Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-28 11:59 +0200
                  Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-28 11:25 +0100
                    Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-28 17:07 +0000
                    Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-28 22:48 +0200
                  Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-28 17:00 +0000
      Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-27 00:59 +0000
        Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-27 08:54 +0100
      Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-26 21:08 -0400
        Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-27 20:04 +0200

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#89415

FromCharlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>
Date2026-08-01 21:54 +0000
Message-ID<TWtbS.9702$YhN7.2656@fx34.iad>
In reply to#89412
On 2026-08-01, Rich <rich@example.invalid> wrote:

> Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
>> I can't forget the moment a couple decades ago where I realized my 
>> Pentium II desktop was booting into the login prompt much, much 
>> faster than a Windows Vista laptop took to get to its login screen...  
>> and that was a Pentium II with less performant I/O than more current 
>> hardware.  It might be obvious in hindsight, perhaps especially given 
>> the absence of a graphical login manager, but still fascinating to 
>> realize.
>
> And then couple that thought with the modern win-blows boot process, 
> where MS races to the username/password screen as quickly as they can 
> (still too slowly, but...) and only really actually finishes booting 
> *after* the user has logged on.  Which is why a modern win box is often 
> all but unusable for the first five to ten minutes after logging in 
> from a cold startup.  It is still "booting" itself, and making you 
> wait, it's just doing it after you have logged in instead of before you 
> can log in.

I _hate_ it when a system lies about being ready.  I've had plenty of
time to build that hate - I worked on a mainframe that told such lies
before Microsoft even existed.

-- 
/~\  Charlie Gibbs                  |  In this world there are
\ /  <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>      |  two kinds of people:
 X   I'm really at ac.dekanfrus     |  1. Those who can extrapolate
/ \  if you read it the right way.  |  from incomplete data.

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#89419

FromLawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid>
Date2026-08-01 23:46 +0000
Message-ID<114m0hg$1cfc$4@dont-email.me>
In reply to#89415
On Sat, 01 Aug 2026 21:54:59 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:

> I _hate_ it when a system lies about being ready. I've had plenty of
> time to build that hate - I worked on a mainframe that told such
> lies before Microsoft even existed.

A sure sign of a product from a company where the marketing department
is in charge.

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#89423

FromCharlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>
Date2026-08-02 01:34 +0000
Message-ID<k8xbS.19456$9DC1.9869@fx18.iad>
In reply to#89419
On 2026-08-01, Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

> On Sat, 01 Aug 2026 21:54:59 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>
>> I _hate_ it when a system lies about being ready. I've had plenty of
>> time to build that hate - I worked on a mainframe that told such
>> lies before Microsoft even existed.
>
> A sure sign of a product from a company where the marketing department
> is in charge.

Right on both counts.

-- 
/~\  Charlie Gibbs                  |  In this world there are
\ /  <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>      |  two kinds of people:
 X   I'm really at ac.dekanfrus     |  1. Those who can extrapolate
/ \  if you read it the right way.  |  from incomplete data.

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#89427

Fromc186282 <c186282@nnada.net>
Date2026-08-01 23:40 -0400
Message-ID<IpKcndh0dNdjJvP3nZ2dnZfqn_EAAAAA@giganews.com>
In reply to#89423
On 8/1/26 21:34, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
> On 2026-08-01, Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
> 
>> On Sat, 01 Aug 2026 21:54:59 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>>
>>> I _hate_ it when a system lies about being ready. I've had plenty of
>>> time to build that hate - I worked on a mainframe that told such
>>> lies before Microsoft even existed.
>>
>> A sure sign of a product from a company where the marketing department
>> is in charge.
> 
> Right on both counts.

   When "The Salesmen" promise - just automatically
   ASSUME the opposite.

   Heh ... last time I went to the dentist I made
   the "mistake" of asking how they were doing with
   their Great New Biz System. On-screen I saw what
   looked like the OLD system. The response was kinda
   like SHOCK ! The Salesman had PROMISED so much
   superiority - but, in practice, the software was
   TOTALLY UNUSABLE. CRAP ! It BADLY fucked their biz
   and made life HORRIBLE.

   The system was named after an animal - they now
   have a suspended icon in the break room that
   looks like that animal - and they SMACK it every
   time they go in :-)

   Of course their IT guy is making a killing. Got
   paid a lot to move their old data to the Great
   New System ... and NOW from that back to the OLD
   system that actually works :-)

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#89445

FromNuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid>
Date2026-08-02 08:52 +0100
Message-ID<114msvb$9sem$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#89419
On 2026-08-02, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:

> On Sat, 01 Aug 2026 21:54:59 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>
>> I _hate_ it when a system lies about being ready. I've had plenty of
>> time to build that hate - I worked on a mainframe that told such
>> lies before Microsoft even existed.
>
> A sure sign of a product from a company where the marketing department
> is in charge.

I think the thing that came to my mind was Ray Arnold and co. looking at
a blinking cursor near the words "System Ready".

-- 
Nuno Silva

I have to rewatch the film...

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#89430

Fromc186282 <c186282@nnada.net>
Date2026-08-01 23:57 -0400
Message-ID<KR-dnZOVRtXyXfP3nZ2dnZfqnPWdnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#89415
On 8/1/26 17:54, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
> On 2026-08-01, Rich <rich@example.invalid> wrote:
> 
>> Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> I can't forget the moment a couple decades ago where I realized my
>>> Pentium II desktop was booting into the login prompt much, much
>>> faster than a Windows Vista laptop took to get to its login screen...
>>> and that was a Pentium II with less performant I/O than more current
>>> hardware.  It might be obvious in hindsight, perhaps especially given
>>> the absence of a graphical login manager, but still fascinating to
>>> realize.
>>
>> And then couple that thought with the modern win-blows boot process,
>> where MS races to the username/password screen as quickly as they can
>> (still too slowly, but...) and only really actually finishes booting
>> *after* the user has logged on.  Which is why a modern win box is often
>> all but unusable for the first five to ten minutes after logging in
>> from a cold startup.  It is still "booting" itself, and making you
>> wait, it's just doing it after you have logged in instead of before you
>> can log in.
> 
> I _hate_ it when a system lies about being ready.  I've had plenty of
> time to build that hate - I worked on a mainframe that told such lies
> before Microsoft even existed.


   Vista was when I moved all my, and most company
   servers and such, completely to Linux.

   My Gawd it was just SO horrible !!!

   Alas individual users ... sorry ... they were NOT
   gonna switch from Winders. This is The Rule. Had
   to keep coping with them. At least I could switch
   the Core systems.

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#89420

Fromrbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Date2026-08-02 00:52 +0000
Message-ID<nd7impF4198U10@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#89412
On Sat, 1 Aug 2026 21:11:07 -0000 (UTC), Rich wrote:

> Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>> I can't forget the moment a couple decades ago where I realized my
>> Pentium II desktop was booting into the login prompt much, much faster
>> than a Windows Vista laptop took to get to its login screen...
>> and that was a Pentium II with less performant I/O than more current
>> hardware.  It might be obvious in hindsight, perhaps especially given
>> the absence of a graphical login manager, but still fascinating to
>> realize.
> 
> And then couple that thought with the modern win-blows boot process,
> where MS races to the username/password screen as quickly as they can
> (still too slowly, but...) and only really actually finishes booting
> *after* the user has logged on.  Which is why a modern win box is often
> all but unusable for the first five to ten minutes after logging in from
> a cold startup.  It is still "booting" itself, and making you wait, it's
> just doing it after you have logged in instead of before you can log in.

I do get upset where after a huge update Windows shows 'Do not turn the 
machine off. Updating' for minutes. Finally you get a login screen which 
brings you to 'Getting things ready for you' for several more minutes.

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#89433

FromMarc Haber <mh+usenetspam2616@zugschl.us>
Date2026-08-02 06:03 +0200
Message-ID<114mfj4$2dmn3$1@news1.tnib.de>
In reply to#89412
Rich <rich@example.invalid> wrote:
>Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>> I can't forget the moment a couple decades ago where I realized my 
>> Pentium II desktop was booting into the login prompt much, much 
>> faster than a Windows Vista laptop took to get to its login screen...  
>> and that was a Pentium II with less performant I/O than more current 
>> hardware.  It might be obvious in hindsight, perhaps especially given 
>> the absence of a graphical login manager, but still fascinating to 
>> realize.
>
>And then couple that thought with the modern win-blows boot process, 
>where MS races to the username/password screen as quickly as they can 
>(still too slowly, but...) and only really actually finishes booting 
>*after* the user has logged on.  Which is why a modern win box is often 
>all but unusable for the first five to ten minutes after logging in 
>from a cold startup.  It is still "booting" itself, and making you 
>wait, it's just doing it after you have logged in instead of before you 
>can log in.

Actually I appreciate when my system lets me log in early. That gives
me a chance to more easily fix things if things go wrong.

Since my root passwords are really ugly¹, I hate systemd's attitude of
asking for the root password if something in the boot process goes
wrong. I'd prefer the system to at least try² to get to a normal login
prompt so that I can log in as my user before looking for the root
password.

Greetings
Marc

¹ and in many enterprise environments, noone knows the root password,
people log in with their user account and then escalate to root - a
pity when that doesn't work.
² I do know that this is not always possible
-- 
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Rhein-Neckar, DE   |     Beginning of Wisdom "     | 
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#89438

FromLawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid>
Date2026-08-02 05:23 +0000
Message-ID<114mk92$7hp1$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#89433
On Sun, 02 Aug 2026 06:03:48 +0200, Marc Haber wrote:

> Actually I appreciate when my system lets me log in early. That
> gives me a chance to more easily fix things if things go wrong.
>
> Since my root passwords are really ugly¹, I hate systemd's attitude
> of asking for the root password if something in the boot process
> goes wrong.

I’m sure that’s configurable, since everything else in systemd is.

I notice some systems now require the root password if you try to use
the “single” boot option. If that doesn’t work, there’s always
something like “init=/bin/bash” ...

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#89439

Fromc186282 <c186282@nnada.net>
Date2026-08-02 01:38 -0400
Message-ID<AMicnTWdM7JySvP3nZ2dnZfqn_ednZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#89438
On 8/2/26 01:23, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
> On Sun, 02 Aug 2026 06:03:48 +0200, Marc Haber wrote:
> 
>> Actually I appreciate when my system lets me log in early. That
>> gives me a chance to more easily fix things if things go wrong.
>>
>> Since my root passwords are really ugly¹, I hate systemd's attitude
>> of asking for the root password if something in the boot process
>> goes wrong.
> 
> I’m sure that’s configurable, since everything else in systemd is.
> 
> I notice some systems now require the root password if you try to use
> the “single” boot option. If that doesn’t work, there’s always
> something like “init=/bin/bash” ...

   Actually, I appreciate the extra security
   for 'single user' and related. We NEED
   extra layers these days. This ain't the
   Friendly 80s.

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#89442

FromMarc Haber <mh+usenetspam2616@zugschl.us>
Date2026-08-02 08:41 +0200
Message-ID<114mopu$2ebsm$1@news1.tnib.de>
In reply to#89438
Lawrence D´Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
>On Sun, 02 Aug 2026 06:03:48 +0200, Marc Haber wrote:
>
>> Actually I appreciate when my system lets me log in early. That
>> gives me a chance to more easily fix things if things go wrong.
>>
>> Since my root passwords are really ugly¹, I hate systemd's attitude
>> of asking for the root password if something in the boot process
>> goes wrong.
>
>I’m sure that’s configurable, since everything else in systemd is.

Nosireebob.

>I notice some systems now require the root password if you try to use
>the “single” boot option. If that doesn’t work, there’s always
>something like “init=/bin/bash” ...

Unless you have secure boot on.

Greetings
Marc
-- 
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Marc Haber         |   " Questions are the         | Mailadresse im Header
Rhein-Neckar, DE   |     Beginning of Wisdom "     | 
Nordisch by Nature | Lt. Worf, TNG "Rightful Heir" | Fon: *49 6224 1600402

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#89448

FromLawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid>
Date2026-08-02 09:44 +0000
Message-ID<114n3h6$ccmv$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#89442
On Sun, 02 Aug 2026 08:41:02 +0200, Marc Haber wrote:

> Lawrence D´Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
>>
>> I notice some systems now require the root password if you try to
>> use the “single” boot option. If that doesn’t work, there’s always
>> something like “init=/bin/bash” ...
>
> Unless you have secure boot on.

Does the Linux kernel really enforce anything like that?

What about “systemd.break=” and “rd.systemd.break=”?

<https://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/latest/systemd-debug-generator.html>

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#89203

Fromrbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Date2026-07-29 18:42 +0000
Message-ID<ncuvrtFoulgU4@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#89183
On Wed, 29 Jul 2026 08:04:07 -0700, John Ames wrote:

> Does anybody really care about boot times anymore? *nix uptimes can
> generally be measured in months or years, and off an SSD even my pokey
> little Eee 904 (running Devuan with sysvinit) goes from zero to display
> manager in less than a minute.

Ah, the good old days... My Fedora box had almost 4 days of uptime before 
'dnf needs-restarting' said it need to reboot for the latest kernel and 
systemd.  Even stodgy old Mint is getting a new kernel. I don't update 
that one as frequently so it's up to 18 days 9 minutes. At least Leap only 
got a new Python today.

I suppose I could ignore the updates but in my experience that way can 
lead to disaster when you finally do try.

I do agree that with everything up 24/7 unless I'm doing updates a cold 
reboot isn't a problem for me. 

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#89225

Fromc186282 <c186282@nnada.net>
Date2026-07-29 23:38 -0400
Message-ID<VNWcneYBi5KqWvf3nZ2dnZfqnPSdnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#89203
On 7/29/26 14:42, rbowman wrote:
> On Wed, 29 Jul 2026 08:04:07 -0700, John Ames wrote:
> 
>> Does anybody really care about boot times anymore? *nix uptimes can
>> generally be measured in months or years, and off an SSD even my pokey
>> little Eee 904 (running Devuan with sysvinit) goes from zero to display
>> manager in less than a minute.
> 
> Ah, the good old days... My Fedora box had almost 4 days of uptime before
> 'dnf needs-restarting' said it need to reboot for the latest kernel and
> systemd.  Even stodgy old Mint is getting a new kernel. I don't update
> that one as frequently so it's up to 18 days 9 minutes. At least Leap only
> got a new Python today.
> 
> I suppose I could ignore the updates but in my experience that way can
> lead to disaster when you finally do try.
> 
> I do agree that with everything up 24/7 unless I'm doing updates a cold
> reboot isn't a problem for me.

   The "updates" usually aren't much.

   EXCEPT perhaps browsers ... the Bad Guys are
   constantly trying to infiltrate browsers. It's
   an ongoing war, kinda in the literal sense.

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#89228

Fromrbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Date2026-07-30 04:04 +0000
Message-ID<nd00prFoulgU11@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#89225
On Wed, 29 Jul 2026 23:38:06 -0400, c186282 wrote:

>   The "updates" usually aren't much.
> 
>    EXCEPT perhaps browsers ... the Bad Guys are constantly trying to
>    infiltrate browsers. It's an ongoing war, kinda in the literal sense.

Maybe. Fedora just got another kernel after a massive 9 hours of uptime. 
Important to me? Probably not. Do I want to skip 10 kernels before 
updating? No.

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#89233

From"Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>
Date2026-07-30 12:33 +0200
Message-ID<nd0njlF52jrU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#89228
On 2026-07-30 06:04, rbowman wrote:
> On Wed, 29 Jul 2026 23:38:06 -0400, c186282 wrote:
> 
>>    The "updates" usually aren't much.
>>
>>     EXCEPT perhaps browsers ... the Bad Guys are constantly trying to
>>     infiltrate browsers. It's an ongoing war, kinda in the literal sense.
> 
> Maybe. Fedora just got another kernel after a massive 9 hours of uptime.
> Important to me? Probably not. Do I want to skip 10 kernels before
> updating? No.

If I get another kernel that fast, it is because there was an error when 
making the previous one. I usually get about one a month.

-- 
Cheers,
        Carlos E.R.
        ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;

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#89264

Fromrbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Date2026-07-30 19:03 +0000
Message-ID<nd1lftF9i60U1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#89233
On Thu, 30 Jul 2026 12:33:25 +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote:

> On 2026-07-30 06:04, rbowman wrote:
>> On Wed, 29 Jul 2026 23:38:06 -0400, c186282 wrote:
>> 
>>>    The "updates" usually aren't much.
>>>
>>>     EXCEPT perhaps browsers ... the Bad Guys are constantly trying to
>>>     infiltrate browsers. It's an ongoing war, kinda in the literal
>>>     sense.
>> 
>> Maybe. Fedora just got another kernel after a massive 9 hours of
>> uptime.
>> Important to me? Probably not. Do I want to skip 10 kernels before
>> updating? No.
> 
> If I get another kernel that fast, it is because there was an error when
> making the previous one. I usually get about one a month.

Leap 16 uses the 6.12 LTS from November 2024. Fedora is at 7.1.5. It 
probably makes no difference to me but so it goes. For example 6.19 
included improvements for btrfs. Both my Leap and Fedora boxes use btrfs 
but I haven't noticed a difference. 

Leap 16 is Python 3.13. In October it will only receive security fixes. 
Fedora 45 is scheduled to move to 3.15 in October when it is released. I 
expect there will be more fixes. 

Plasma on Fedora is 6.7.2, 6.4.3 on Leap, and so forth.

Part of the decision making when selecting a distribution is how up to 
date you want to be. Fedora is semi-rolling and has fewer surprises than a 
rolling release like Arch or Tumbleweed while staying close to the newest 
versions. Leap is downstream of SLED and arguably is more stable. Ubuntu 
sort of splits the difference. 26.04's kernel is 7,0, which would have 
been 6.20 except Torvalds ran out of fingers and toes. It's a LTS release 
so while it has Python 3.14 I don't expect it will ever get 3.15. Ubuntu 
derivatives like Mint are a mixed bag. Mint's kernel is 6.17, its Python 
is 3.12. Newer kernel than Leap, older Python. I'm using those as 
indicators. systemd is 259 on Fedora and Ubuntu, 257 on Leap, etc.

The nice thing about Linux is you get to pick your poison. 

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#89274

From"Stanislav N. aka pztrn" <no@email.please>
Date2026-07-31 01:54 +0500
Message-ID<114gdmt$24p37$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#89264
31.07.2026 00:03, rbowman wrote:
> Fedora is semi-rolling and has fewer surprises than a rolling 
 > release like Arch

Never have any problems with Arch Linux for a decade, the only one THE 
VERY BIG THING was systemd introducing. This cause "little" pain, mostly 
with bad rc scripts conversion to systemd units and overall third party 
software hickups with systemd. And that's it. All other things was 
purely third party software bugs and AUR maintainer fuckups :).

Just subscribe to Arch news (e.g. via RSS) and read them before 
updating. All neccessary manual actions will be there. And try to update 
your system at least once per week (I do it on saturdays with morning 
coffee).

Actually, I was surprised how systemd was made so good comparing to 
another software from same author - PulseAudio :).

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#89275

FromLawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid>
Date2026-07-30 21:13 +0000
Message-ID<114geqa$24ndu$4@dont-email.me>
In reply to#89274
On Fri, 31 Jul 2026 01:54:50 +0500, Stanislav N. aka pztrn wrote:

> Actually, I was surprised how systemd was made so good comparing to
> another software from same author - PulseAudio :).

It’s the only service manager I know of that also works for user
sessions, not just for systemwide services.

And that goes for its log handling, too.

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#89279

Fromvallor <vallor@vallor.earth>
Date2026-07-30 23:47 +0000
Message-ID<114gnpk$25vi4$9@dont-email.me>
In reply to#89275
At Thu, 30 Jul 2026 21:13:46 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

> On Fri, 31 Jul 2026 01:54:50 +0500, Stanislav N. aka pztrn wrote:
> 
> > Actually, I was surprised how systemd was made so good comparing to
> > another software from same author - PulseAudio :).
> 
> It’s the only service manager I know of that also works for user
> sessions, not just for systemwide services.

*cough* launchd *cough*

> 
> And that goes for its log handling, too.

Well, MacOS kept syslogd separate.

I seem to remember reading somewhere that the idea for systemd
came from MacOS's launchd.

BTW: Whenever someone posts their reminiscences of all the trouble
they had with printing on Linux, I point out that nowadays,
Linux printing is as easy as on MacOS -- thanks to CUPS.

(Our household is dual-Unix -- Linux on my desktop, MacOS
on Mrs. vallor's Mac Studio.  Same goes for our phones. ;)  )

-- 
-v System76 Thelio Mega v1.1 x86_64 Mem: 258G
   OS: Linux 7.1.5 D: Mint 22.3 DE: Xfce 4.18 (X11)
   NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3090Ti (24G) (610.43.02)
   "I'd love to, but I prefer to remain an enigma."

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