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  Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-26 01:09 -0400
    Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-26 07:22 +0000
      Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-26 20:37 -0400
        Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-27 01:16 +0000
    Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late John McCue <jmclnx@gmail.com.invalid> - 2026-07-26 20:00 +0000
      Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-26 22:40 +0200
        Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-26 21:10 -0400
      Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Farley Flud <ff@gnulinux.rocks> - 2026-07-26 21:24 +0000
        Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-27 01:02 +0000
          Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Farley Flud <ff@gnulinux.rocks> - 2026-07-27 02:59 +0000
            Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-26 23:18 -0400
            Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Epherma <epherma@remort.app.invalid> - 2026-07-26 20:31 -0700
              Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Farley Flud <ff@gnulinux.rocks> - 2026-07-27 04:35 +0000
                Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-27 06:37 +0100
                  Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-27 23:45 -0400
                    Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-28 18:10 +0000
                    Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Farley Flud <ff@gnulinux.rocks> - 2026-07-28 19:52 +0000
                  Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Farley Flud <ff@gnulinux.rocks> - 2026-07-28 15:17 +0000
                    Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-28 16:22 +0100
                Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-07-27 11:51 -0400
                  Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Farley Flud <ff@gnulinux.rocks> - 2026-07-27 16:22 +0000
              Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-27 04:42 +0000
                Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread (was: Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-27 08:48 +0100
                  Re: Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-27 17:19 +0100
                    Re: Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread Farley Flud <ff@gnulinux.rocks> - 2026-07-27 16:40 +0000
                      Re: Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-27 21:22 +0000
                        Re: Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-07-27 14:44 -0700
                          Re: Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-27 23:37 +0000
                        Re: Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread Farley Flud <ff@gnulinux.rocks> - 2026-07-27 21:47 +0000
                          Re: Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread Farley Flud <ff@gnulinux.rocks> - 2026-07-28 00:24 +0000
                            Re: Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-28 04:23 +0000
                          Re: Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-27 23:46 +0000
                          Re: Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-28 10:07 +0100
                            Re: Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-07-29 01:50 +0000
                            Re: Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread Farley Flud <ff@gnulinux.rocks> - 2026-07-29 02:32 +0000
                        Re: Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-07-27 17:57 -0400
                          Re: Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-28 00:03 +0000
                        Re: Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-07-28 04:11 +0000
                          Re: Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-28 04:38 +0000
                          Re: Another XLibre and/or Wayland subthread rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-28 18:19 +0000
                Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Farley Flud <ff@gnulinux.rocks> - 2026-07-27 16:11 +0000
                  Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-27 18:27 +0100
            Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-27 04:46 +0000
              Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Farley Flud <ff@gnulinux.rocks> - 2026-07-27 15:47 +0000
              Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-27 23:45 -0400
                Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-28 18:03 +0000
            Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-27 06:35 +0100
          Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-07-27 16:12 +0000
            Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-27 21:07 +0000
        Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-26 21:19 -0400
          Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Farley Flud <ff@gnulinux.rocks> - 2026-07-27 03:08 +0000
            Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-26 23:19 -0400
              Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Farley Flud <ff@gnulinux.rocks> - 2026-07-27 03:30 +0000
              Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-27 15:07 +0200
                Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Farley Flud <ff@gnulinux.rocks> - 2026-07-27 15:48 +0000
                  Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-27 18:27 +0100
                    Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Farley Flud <ff@gnulinux.rocks> - 2026-07-28 01:02 +0000
                      Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-28 10:10 +0100
                Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-28 00:01 -0400
                  Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-28 10:19 +0100
                  Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-28 11:37 +0200
                  Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-28 17:43 +0000
          Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam2616@zugschl.us> - 2026-07-27 16:22 +0200
            Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-27 23:07 +0000
            Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-28 00:10 -0400
              Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-07-28 04:20 +0000
                Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-28 04:40 +0000
                  Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-28 23:00 -0400
                    Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-29 09:37 +0100
                Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam2616@zugschl.us> - 2026-07-28 10:48 +0200
                  Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-28 22:29 +0000
                    Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-28 23:02 -0400
                    Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam2616@zugschl.us> - 2026-07-29 08:36 +0200
                Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-28 22:57 -0400
              Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam2616@zugschl.us> - 2026-07-28 10:24 +0200
              Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-28 10:24 +0100
                Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-28 17:22 +0000
              Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-28 17:16 +0000
      Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-26 22:51 +0000
        Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again Robert Heller <heller@deepsoft.com> - 2026-07-26 23:27 +0000
          Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-26 21:23 -0400
            Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-27 04:42 +0000
              Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-27 23:43 -0400
                Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-28 11:57 +0200
                  Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-28 11:06 +0100
                Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-07-28 15:22 +0000
          Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-27 09:00 +0100
            Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-27 23:47 -0400
              Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-28 10:18 +0100
              Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-28 17:11 +0000
        Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-27 01:10 +0000
        Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again Andreas Eder <a_eder_muc@web.de> - 2026-07-27 15:45 +0200
          Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-07-27 16:16 +0000
          Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-27 18:24 +0100
            Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-27 19:55 +0200
              Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-28 09:59 +0100
                Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-28 11:59 +0200
                  Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-28 11:25 +0100
                    Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-28 17:07 +0000
                    Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-28 22:48 +0200
                  Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-28 17:00 +0000
      Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-27 00:59 +0000
        Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-27 08:54 +0100
      Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-26 21:08 -0400
        Re: Not Much LINUX Stuff of Late "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-27 20:04 +0200

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#89150

On 2026-07-28 06:01, c186282 wrote:
> On 7/27/26 09:07, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>> On 2026-07-27 05:19, c186282 wrote:
>>> On 7/26/26 23:08, Farley Flud wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 26 Jul 2026 21:19:53 -0400, c186282 wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>     Aww ... I like systemd in many respects. It's
>>>>>     not like the Winders registry, don't see any
>>>>>     INTENTIONAL evil.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> You "don't see" because you are a deluded, and lazy, idiot.
>>>
>>>    Ah, 40 years in the industry and I'm an "idiot".
>>>
>>>    PLONK !
>>>
>>
>> He is a known "character". He hates all distributions, and says people 
>> using a distribution is stupid, or "a deluded, and lazy, idiot". He is 
>> the only clever guy because he doesn't use any.
>>
>> We simply ignore him.
> 
>    I simply plonked him once and for all.

Beware that he uses several identities. You have to watch out for his 
traits.

> 
>    Now there ARE some people who CAN pretty much
>    write their own OS from scratch. This is not a
>    bad thing at all, we NEED those kind of people.
> 
>    But when they expect EVERYBODY to have such skills
>    and obsession or they're "no good/useless" then ...
>    now we're into deep 'spectrum' or 'narcissism'.
> 
>    Hmmm ... once came across an episode of "Young
>    Sheldon" where he went to the university prez
>    and declared that "education" ONLY meant vast
>    skill at math/sci and nobody else should get
>    a diploma. Quantum mechanics or NOTHING. None
>    others were 'smart' or 'educated'  :-)
> 

Heh :-)

-- 
Cheers,
        Carlos E.R.
        ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;

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#89163

On Tue, 28 Jul 2026 00:01:28 -0400, c186282 wrote:

>    Hmmm ... once came across an episode of "Young Sheldon" where he went
>    to the university prez and declared that "education" ONLY meant vast
>    skill at math/sci and nobody else should get a diploma. Quantum
>    mechanics or NOTHING. None others were 'smart' or 'educated'

I've seen that IRL. At a school that billed itself as a 'technological 
university' there was a feeling among the 'science' departments that the 
engineers weren't the sharpest knives in the drawer. 

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#89101

c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote:
>   Look at MX and a few others ... the start-up options
>   allow you to run a systemd or sysV version.

I am very interested in knowing who wastes weeks of their lifetime to
write initscripts for Debian packages. Those people must be real
fanatics.

>> The GNU project needs to make their Hurd kernel a top
>> priority as the future of Linux is total corporate
>> domination with a lack of freedom.
>
>   We need alt development streams.

I think we don't even have enough personpower for ONE decent
development stream.

Greetings
Marc
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#89127

On Mon, 27 Jul 2026 16:22:00 +0200, Marc Haber wrote:

> I am very interested in knowing who wastes weeks of their lifetime
> to write initscripts for Debian packages. Those people must be real
> fanatics.

Whoever said “the Unix philosophy is to do one thing and do it well”
never spent any time writing sysvinit scripts ...

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#89136

On 7/27/26 10:22, Marc Haber wrote:
> c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote:
>>    Look at MX and a few others ... the start-up options
>>    allow you to run a systemd or sysV version.
> 
> I am very interested in knowing who wastes weeks of their lifetime to
> write initscripts for Debian packages. Those people must be real
> fanatics.

   Hey, we NEED those fanatics !

   A good init script is worth its weight in gold.

   READ one sometime ... dozens, hundreds, of steps
   and checks and tweaks just to install one stupid
   little utility. The energy/skill to do ALL that
   by hand from memory ... it barely exists.

   Actually, that it's SO difficult to install said
   stupid little utilities these days - doesn't give
   me a good feeling for the future.

   Maybe CP/M wasn't so bad after all  :-)

>>> The GNU project needs to make their Hurd kernel a top
>>> priority as the future of Linux is total corporate
>>> domination with a lack of freedom.
>>
>>    We need alt development streams.
> 
> I think we don't even have enough personpower for ONE decent
> development stream.

   You may be right, alas.

   The enthusiasm for 'free' OS/software isn't what
   it used to be - and there's more MONEY writing
   evil JS spyware for browsers.

   This is kinda why I've been looking into the BSDs
   more of late. They're a bit more driven by 'academic'
   types. There's always been good and bad in that, but
   for the near future the 'good' may very useful.

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#89138

On 2026-07-28, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote:

>    Actually, that it's SO difficult to install said
>    stupid little utilities these days - doesn't give
>    me a good feeling for the future.

I'm still a fan of static-linked binaries.  No DLL hell,
no installer that has to know where to scatter a myriad
of files, no breakages when a library gets updated.
Just run the one file from anywhere and it Just Works.  

    Perfection is achieved, not when there is nothing more
    to add, but when there is nothing left to take away.
      -- Antoine de Saint-Exupéry

-- 
/~\  Charlie Gibbs                  |  In this world there are
\ /  <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>      |  two kinds of people:
 X   I'm really at ac.dekanfrus     |  1. Those who can extrapolate
/ \  if you read it the right way.  |  from incomplete data.

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#89141

On Tue, 28 Jul 2026 04:20:27 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:

> I'm still a fan of static-linked binaries. No DLL hell, no installer
> that has to know where to scatter a myriad of files, no breakages
> when a library gets updated.

To those of us who take for granted that there will be a systemwide
package manager to handle the dependencies and updates, built on an
underlying platform that knows how to handle shared-library
versioning, none of that is a problem.

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#89176

On 7/28/26 00:40, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
> On Tue, 28 Jul 2026 04:20:27 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
> 
>> I'm still a fan of static-linked binaries. No DLL hell, no installer
>> that has to know where to scatter a myriad of files, no breakages
>> when a library gets updated.
> 
> To those of us who take for granted that there will be a systemwide
> package manager to handle the dependencies and updates, built on an
> underlying platform that knows how to handle shared-library
> versioning, none of that is a problem.

   Seeing more and more probs with those perfect
   managers though. Still 'ok' by and large but
   I see bitching about missing dependencies, oft
   involving v0.0.1 differences.

   Linux isn't simple enough anymore.

   So, prep "app-images" - all-in-one. Bigger, but
   that's really not a thing these days.

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#89179

On 29/07/2026 04:00, c186282 wrote:
> Linux isn't simple enough anymore.

It's a lot simpler than it used to be

For people who want to actually use it.


-- 
For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and 
wrong.

H.L.Mencken

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#89143

Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote:
>On 2026-07-28, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote:
>>    Actually, that it's SO difficult to install said
>>    stupid little utilities these days - doesn't give
>>    me a good feeling for the future.
>
>I'm still a fan of static-linked binaries.  No DLL hell,
>no installer that has to know where to scatter a myriad
>of files, no breakages when a library gets updated.

You are obviously talking about Windows here. The Linux world has
passed that time two decades ago. We have libraries with versioned
symbols, we have versioned package dependencies

>Just run the one file from anywhere and it Just Works.  

... that just works.

If you have difficulties with that, I'd suggest trying Debian, the
Debian project does a pretty decent job with their library
dependencies.

Statically linked binaries, especially those who came "from anywhere"
usually don't get updated, which imposes a significant security risk
to the target system. I'd avoid doing that anyway or at least
container those binaries away.

Greetings
Marc
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#89171

On Tue, 28 Jul 2026 10:48:47 +0200, Marc Haber wrote:

> You are obviously talking about Windows here. The Linux world has
> passed that time two decades ago.

I wonder how long it will be before Windows no longer gets taken
seriously as a development platform? I’d say Microsoft is already
fighting a rearguard action on that front; will the battle be over in,
say, another 5 years?

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#89177

On 7/28/26 18:29, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
> On Tue, 28 Jul 2026 10:48:47 +0200, Marc Haber wrote:
> 
>> You are obviously talking about Windows here. The Linux world has
>> passed that time two decades ago.
> 
> I wonder how long it will be before Windows no longer gets taken
> seriously as a development platform? I’d say Microsoft is already
> fighting a rearguard action on that front; will the battle be over in,
> say, another 5 years?

   Wishful thinking. M$ is TOO BIG TO FAIL and
   will strong-arm serious competitors.

   Now, under the hood, Winders maybe IS evolving
   into Linux/Unix.

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#89178

Lawrence D´Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
>On Tue, 28 Jul 2026 10:48:47 +0200, Marc Haber wrote:
>
>> You are obviously talking about Windows here. The Linux world has
>> passed that time two decades ago.
>
>I wonder how long it will be before Windows no longer gets taken
>seriously as a development platform? I’d say Microsoft is already
>fighting a rearguard action on that front; will the battle be over in,
>say, another 5 years?

Really new stuff is being developed for the web or as mobile app.
Things for installation on the Linux or Windows desktop are shipped as
Electron.

Greetings
Marc
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#89175

On 7/28/26 00:20, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
> On 2026-07-28, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote:
> 
>>     Actually, that it's SO difficult to install said
>>     stupid little utilities these days - doesn't give
>>     me a good feeling for the future.
> 
> I'm still a fan of static-linked binaries.  No DLL hell,
> no installer that has to know where to scatter a myriad
> of files, no breakages when a library gets updated.
> Just run the one file from anywhere and it Just Works.

   I think that mess is why we're seeing more and
   more Linux apps come as "App-Images" - all in
   one. Gets past a lot of distro/version issues,
   though the code is bigger. These days it may
   not matter so much if it's "bigger".

   Python is kinda nefarious for being version/subversion
   picky. So, you make an executable, containing everything,
   and it'll Just Work across a much broader range of
   systems.

   I've complained a lot about package and update
   dependency shit before - haven't changed my mind.
   Linux distros used to be 'simpler', less probs,
   but NOW ... yikes ! Rolling distros 'solve' the
   probs by completely replacing yer 2+ GB existing
   system with the latest image. Excessive !

   Anyway, if you want to distribute anything, DO
   think "app-image". It'll Just Work in far more
   places.

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#89142

c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote:
>On 7/27/26 10:22, Marc Haber wrote:
>> c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote:
>>>    Look at MX and a few others ... the start-up options
>>>    allow you to run a systemd or sysV version.
>> 
>> I am very interested in knowing who wastes weeks of their lifetime to
>> write initscripts for Debian packages. Those people must be real
>> fanatics.
>
>   Hey, we NEED those fanatics !
>
>   A good init script is worth its weight in gold.

A good systemd unit needs a tenth of the time and does more. I have
NEVER seen an init scrip that even tried to reach the security level
that is possible with 80 lines of systemd unit code. And that is not
even counting the time needed by building chroots and keeping them
current.

>   READ one sometime ... dozens, hundreds, of steps
>   and checks and tweaks just to install one stupid
>   little utility. The energy/skill to do ALL that
>   by hand from memory ... it barely exists.

And it has always been a waste of human time.

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#89149

On 28/07/2026 05:10, c186282 wrote:
> The enthusiasm for 'free' OS/software isn't what
>    it used to be - and there's more MONEY writing
>    evil JS spyware for browsers.

The enthusiasm for 'money' is also less prevalent than it used to be and 
is mainly a US centric meme.

All you need is enough to fund your chosen lifestyle.

"Money doesn't make you happy, but it does take the misery out of being 
poor"
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#89162

On Tue, 28 Jul 2026 10:24:22 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> On 28/07/2026 05:10, c186282 wrote:
>> The enthusiasm for 'free' OS/software isn't what
>>    it used to be - and there's more MONEY writing evil JS spyware for
>>    browsers.
> 
> The enthusiasm for 'money' is also less prevalent than it used to be and
> is mainly a US centric meme.
> 
> All you need is enough to fund your chosen lifestyle.

I've always operated on that principle and my lifestyle is minimalist.  I 
don't think it's prevalent in the US. I certainly made more 'money' 
working on the east coast but some things just aren't worth it.

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#89161

On Tue, 28 Jul 2026 00:10:16 -0400, c186282 wrote:

>    READ one sometime ... dozens, hundreds, of steps and checks and
>    tweaks just to install one stupid little utility. The energy/skill to
>    do ALL that by hand from memory ... it barely exists.

I'm not sure I could do it anymore. 'sudo systemctl enable 
mosquitto.service' has spoiled me. (yeah, there is such a thing. It's a 
MQTT broker.)

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#89070 — Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again

On Sun, 26 Jul 2026 20:00:30 -0000 (UTC), John McCue wrote:

> For example, users want a browser that blocks ads, no java script,
> no AI, fast and lite on memory and can read any site without dealing
> with cloudflare.

“no java script” on the one hand, yet “can read any site” on the other.

Why not wish for a car that you can drive for infinite miles without
refuelling? You might actually be more likely to get that.

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#89072 — Re: Open-Source Armchair Critics At It Again

At Sun, 26 Jul 2026 22:51:39 -0000 (UTC) Lawrence DÿOliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

> 
> On Sun, 26 Jul 2026 20:00:30 -0000 (UTC), John McCue wrote:
> 
> > For example, users want a browser that blocks ads, no java script,
> > no AI, fast and lite on memory and can read any site without dealing
> > with cloudflare.
> 
> “no java script” on the one hand, yet “can read any site” on the other.
> 
> Why not wish for a car that you can drive for infinite miles without
> refuelling? You might actually be more likely to get that.

Sure, an EV with a trolly pole or pantagraph. :-)

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