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| Started by | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| First post | 2026-07-18 19:38 -0400 |
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Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-18 19:38 -0400
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-19 01:29 +0000
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-18 22:09 -0400
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2026-07-20 08:55 +1000
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-20 00:52 -0400
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-20 14:13 +0200
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-20 14:20 +0100
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2026-07-20 17:49 +0200
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-07-20 16:12 +0000
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-20 18:30 +0000
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-20 19:36 +0100
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-21 01:31 +0000
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2026-07-21 22:32 +0200
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-07-20 19:29 +0000
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-21 01:47 +0000
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-07-21 04:05 +0000
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-21 00:16 -0400
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-21 07:27 +0000
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-21 21:18 -0400
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-22 03:16 +0000
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-21 23:33 -0400
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-22 07:22 +0000
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-22 12:52 +0100
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-22 17:56 +0000
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-23 11:06 +0100
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-23 19:00 +0000
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-22 12:51 +0100
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-22 18:31 +0000
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-23 11:07 +0100
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-23 19:49 +0000
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2026-07-20 21:39 +0200
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-07-20 20:26 +0000
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-20 21:54 +0100
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-07-21 04:10 +0000
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-20 21:53 +0100
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-21 02:06 +0000
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-21 10:33 +0100
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-07-21 04:13 +0000
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-21 10:36 +0100
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-21 18:29 +0000
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-21 20:45 +0100
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2026-07-21 22:48 +0200
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-21 23:32 +0000
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-07-22 00:02 +0000
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-22 12:50 +0100
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-07-22 14:35 +0000
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2026-07-22 17:04 +0200
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-22 18:35 +0000
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-22 23:41 -0400
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-23 04:14 +0000
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-23 23:22 -0400
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s Mike Scott <usenet.16@scottsonline.org.uk.invalid> - 2026-07-23 08:26 +0100
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-23 11:00 +0100
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-22 22:54 +0000
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-23 10:57 +0100
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-23 19:44 +0000
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-23 20:57 +0100
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-07-23 22:04 +0000
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2026-07-25 17:08 +0200
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-21 23:29 +0000
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-22 12:49 +0100
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-21 23:34 -0400
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-22 12:57 +0100
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2026-07-22 16:22 +0200
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-22 17:59 +0000
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-22 22:51 +0000
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-23 10:51 +0100
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2026-07-23 18:43 +0200
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-23 19:33 +0000
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-07-23 22:04 +0000
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-24 01:32 +0000
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-24 13:59 +0200
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-24 22:09 -0400
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-25 05:02 +0000
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-25 12:48 +0200
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-23 20:37 +0100
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2026-07-25 15:55 +0200
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-25 14:58 +0100
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2026-07-25 16:53 +0200
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-25 15:59 +0100
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-21 11:40 +0200
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-21 18:07 +0000
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-22 01:19 +0000
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-21 21:32 -0400
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-22 08:31 +0100
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-22 13:42 +0200
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-07-22 14:35 +0000
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-22 22:49 +0000
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-22 18:29 +0000
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-22 22:46 +0000
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s Andreas Eder <a_eder_muc@web.de> - 2026-07-22 10:21 +0200
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-22 13:39 +0200
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-22 17:54 +0000
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2026-07-21 22:30 +0200
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-20 12:24 +0100
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-20 18:01 +0000
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-07-20 20:21 +0000
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-21 01:21 +0000
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-07-21 04:22 +0000
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-21 07:22 +0000
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-07-21 08:39 +0100
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-07-21 12:53 +0000
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-21 21:25 -0400
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-22 04:04 +0000
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2026-07-22 04:17 +0000
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-22 23:09 -0400
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-23 04:45 +0000
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-23 23:31 -0400
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-24 11:01 +0100
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-24 22:05 -0400
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-25 13:44 +0100
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-23 11:10 +0100
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-23 19:15 +0000
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2026-07-23 18:49 +0200
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2026-07-22 16:27 +0200
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-22 17:44 +0000
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-22 23:05 -0400
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-23 11:09 +0100
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-07-23 22:04 +0000
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-24 01:44 +0000
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-23 23:39 -0400
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-24 07:15 +0000
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-24 21:32 -0400
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-24 11:00 +0100
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-24 21:43 -0400
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-25 13:42 +0100
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-25 16:39 +0000
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-25 17:50 +0100
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-25 20:27 +0000
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2026-07-22 16:24 +0200
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-21 00:10 -0400
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-21 10:34 +0100
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-07-21 12:55 +0000
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-19 03:58 +0100
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-19 04:32 +0000
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| From | Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> |
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| Date | 2026-07-21 08:39 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <nc8m07Fbjc9U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #88943 |
Rich wrote: > at a 100:1 cost ratio, someone can lob 100 Qassam rockets > towards a single target for the price of one Tamir missle. Even if the > Tamir could somehow take out 99 of the Qassam's (it can't) that still > leaves one that will explode somewhere the defender really does not > want explosions happening. > > If two Tamir's are used against the swarm, then the swarm could be 200 > large before it again cost the same as the two missles. And two > missles won't take out all 200 incoming, so still, one or more > explosions somewhere you'd rather not have any explosions. Isn't this where AI steps in and says "A strange game, the only winning move is not to play"? FX: hollow-laughter
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| From | Rich <rich@example.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-07-21 12:53 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <113nq4f$201do$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #88946 |
Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote: > Rich wrote: > >> at a 100:1 cost ratio, someone can lob 100 Qassam rockets towards a >> single target for the price of one Tamir missle. Even if the Tamir >> could somehow take out 99 of the Qassam's (it can't) that still >> leaves one that will explode somewhere the defender really does not >> want explosions happening. >> >> If two Tamir's are used against the swarm, then the swarm could be >> 200 large before it again cost the same as the two missles. And two >> missles won't take out all 200 incoming, so still, one or more >> explosions somewhere you'd rather not have any explosions. > > Isn't this where AI steps in and says > "A strange game, the only winning move is not to play"? > > FX: hollow-laughter Or, as in the classic Star Trek series plot from the late 60's, the AI "fights a simulated war and determines who won" and the losing side submits the AI's determined number of human casulties to be "evaporated".
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2026-07-21 21:25 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <hNudnXyk-Yv2gf33nZ2dnZfqn_adnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #88946 |
On 7/21/26 03:39, Andy Burns wrote: > Rich wrote: > >> at a 100:1 cost ratio, someone can lob 100 Qassam rockets >> towards a single target for the price of one Tamir missle. Even if the >> Tamir could somehow take out 99 of the Qassam's (it can't) that still >> leaves one that will explode somewhere the defender really does not >> want explosions happening. >> >> If two Tamir's are used against the swarm, then the swarm could be 200 >> large before it again cost the same as the two missles. And two >> missles won't take out all 200 incoming, so still, one or more >> explosions somewhere you'd rather not have any explosions. > > Isn't this where AI steps in and says > "A strange game, the only winning move is not to play"? > > FX: hollow-laughter The trouble is that "They" never stop playing, so WE can't either. The conqueror mindset seems to be built into the species. Movies aren't Real Life, Real People. Movies can be 'idealistic', All You Need Is Love, but ... SO ... the USA/west needs something at least as good, and CHEAP, as "Irondome". This IS the paradigm for 21st century conflicts - send a swarm of hornets instead of a battleship or masses of soldiers. Those who can pack the most bang into a Pi-5 level processor WINS.
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-07-22 04:04 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <ncatr0F7pt3U16@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #88964 |
On Tue, 21 Jul 2026 21:25:45 -0400, c186282 wrote: > SO ... the USA/west needs something at least as good, and CHEAP, as > "Irondome". This IS the paradigm for 21st century conflicts - send a > swarm of hornets instead of a battleship or masses of soldiers. Tamir rockets aren't cheap. However the US has provided about $2.6 billion to the program. I assume much of that trickled back to Raytheon. The US will have the Golden Dome sometime around the 12th of Never. Being Trump, it has to be Golden of course. I think someplace buried in the Pentagon Reagan's Star Wars scheme is alive and well on a ventilator. CHEAP ain't happening. You need to do a reality check about Iron Dome. Israel is larger than Connecticut and smaller than New Jersey. That doesn't scale well to the US or even Europe. It might work for Slovenia. That bit of reality amazes me. If the Arabs ever got their act together they should be able to roll up the country like a rug. Of course there is Big Brother and the supposed atomic bombs.
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| From | Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> |
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| Date | 2026-07-22 04:17 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrn1160h2u.8cb.spamtrap42@one.localnet> |
| In reply to | #88969 |
On 2026-07-22, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote: > > You need to do a reality check about Iron Dome. Israel is larger than > Connecticut and smaller than New Jersey. That doesn't scale well to the US > or even Europe. It might work for Slovenia. > > That bit of reality amazes me. If the Arabs ever got their act together > they should be able to roll up the country like a rug. Of course there is > Big Brother and the supposed atomic bombs. Some decades ago, Paul Harvey had an interesting take on Israel's need for nuclear deterrent. He figured Israel needed only two nukes to guarantee their enemies would never push far enough to require use of the nukes. One would be aimed at the Aswan High Dam in Egypt, which would destroy basically all of Egypt--and/or make pretty much all of Egypt uninhabitable for centuries. The other would be aimed at Mecca. -- Robert Riches spamtrap42@jacob21819.net (Yes, that is one of my email addresses.)
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2026-07-22 23:09 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <H8ydnYticMmSG_z3nZ2dnZfqnPWdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #88970 |
On 7/22/26 00:17, Robert Riches wrote: > On 2026-07-22, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote: >> >> You need to do a reality check about Iron Dome. Israel is larger than >> Connecticut and smaller than New Jersey. That doesn't scale well to the US >> or even Europe. It might work for Slovenia. >> >> That bit of reality amazes me. If the Arabs ever got their act together >> they should be able to roll up the country like a rug. Of course there is >> Big Brother and the supposed atomic bombs. > > Some decades ago, Paul Harvey had an interesting take on Israel's > need for nuclear deterrent. He figured Israel needed only two > nukes to guarantee their enemies would never push far enough to > require use of the nukes. One would be aimed at the Aswan High > Dam in Egypt, which would destroy basically all of Egypt--and/or > make pretty much all of Egypt uninhabitable for centuries. The > other would be aimed at Mecca. Egypt is not a major enemy of Israel - hasn't been for a LONG time. Mecca ... symbolic, but ........ Israel apparently has 50-100 nuclear weapons at this point. Mostly "small", but still very deadly. IF an Iranian nuke goes off anywhere near Israel then Iran is just literal TOAST.
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-07-23 04:45 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <ncdkisFuaclU11@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #88999 |
On Wed, 22 Jul 2026 23:09:07 -0400, c186282 wrote: > IF an Iranian nuke goes off anywhere near Israel then Iran is just > literal TOAST. Again scale comes into play. Iran is 636,372 sq mi. Israel isn't even a hundredth of that. Which would be easier to turn into a parking lot? Iran has 20 cities over 400,000 population; Israel has 2. If anyone is thinking about boots on the ground Iran is one of the most mountainous countries in the world. As the US found out in Afghanistan when you play with the locals on their own turf they will hand you your ass. Best hang around the green zone in Kabul and come up with a good story for the US people about what you're doing for 20 years before handing the country back to the Taliban.
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2026-07-23 23:31 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <VbicndAwutNnQf_3nZ2dnZfqn_qdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #89002 |
On 7/23/26 00:45, rbowman wrote: > On Wed, 22 Jul 2026 23:09:07 -0400, c186282 wrote: > >> IF an Iranian nuke goes off anywhere near Israel then Iran is just >> literal TOAST. > > Again scale comes into play. Iran is 636,372 sq mi. Iran is LARGE - but most of the pop/money/power is concentrated in like a dozen cities. Yea, Israel COULD nuke 'em mostly out of existence. The Rule - if attacked with nukes you DO have the total right to RESPOND with nukes. MAD. We MAY be getting there - soon. The Ukraine war is 'civilized' by comparison. Nobody is shooting nukes around. Note Ukraine DID mention that while it gave back all the USSR nukes it STILL has a fair stockpile of plutonium. Russia KNOWS this. Keeps everything at the 'conventional' level. But Iran is run by FANATICS. Israel also has its share of fanatics. NOT great. I've long thought the nukewar would be between India and Pakistan. Maybe wrong ...
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-07-24 11:01 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <113vd6e$is3h$5@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #89026 |
On 24/07/2026 04:31, c186282 wrote: > But Iran is run by FANATICS. > So it seems is the USA, and Russia. > Israel also has its share of fanatics. > > NOT great. *shrug*. -- Any fool can believe in principles - and most of them do!
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2026-07-24 22:05 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <_YycnbqsAfFlhPn3nZ2dnZfqn_idnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #89030 |
On 7/24/26 06:01, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > On 24/07/2026 04:31, c186282 wrote: >> But Iran is run by FANATICS. >> > So it seems is the USA, and Russia. Ummm ... no. The "Death To <fill-in-blank> !!!" people are the ones to worry about. They are growing more and more capable. Putin is a hard-ass, but not a fanatic. Trump is not a fanatic. Kinda hard-ass, but more a 'calculator' than a fanatic. Xi is not a fanatic either, 'calculating', but not a fanatic. Iran, NK, ISIS, neo-Marxists ... fanatics. >> Israel also has its share of fanatics. >> >> NOT great. > > *shrug*. The "ultra-orthodox" in Israel are a serious political power, and fanatics - and Bebe HAS to suck up to them sometimes. Any new PM will also have to suck up to them. Don't pretend Bebe is The Problem. The UO are bad as Hamas, just wear a different symbol. Not so good. All very VERY "old school". "Defeat your enemy, see them driven before you and hear the lamentations of the women" ... But then, what's new ? From old clay tablets on the world has ALWAYS been like this. But for 99.9% of that time we didn't have big nuclear weapons.
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-07-25 13:44 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <1142b45$1g3r9$3@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #89034 |
On 25/07/2026 03:05, c186282 wrote: > On 7/24/26 06:01, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >> On 24/07/2026 04:31, c186282 wrote: >>> But Iran is run by FANATICS. >>> >> So it seems is the USA, and Russia. > > > Ummm ... no. > > The "Death To <fill-in-blank> !!!" people > are the ones to worry about. They are growing > more and more capable. > > Putin is a hard-ass, but not a fanatic. > You think? > Trump is not a fanatic. Kinda hard-ass, but > more a 'calculator' than a fanatic. > Big ass hole, yes. He isn't hard. > Xi is not a fanatic either, 'calculating', > but not a fanatic. > Perhaps neither is the current ayatollah. > > But for 99.9% of that time we didn't have big > nuclear weapons. > Still worried about nukes? Bless! -- New Socialism consists essentially in being seen to have your heart in the right place whilst your head is in the clouds and your hand is in someone else's pocket.
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-07-23 11:10 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <113spb5$3nbo7$10@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #88999 |
On 23/07/2026 04:09, c186282 wrote: > On 7/22/26 00:17, Robert Riches wrote: >> On 2026-07-22, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote: >>> >>> You need to do a reality check about Iron Dome. Israel is larger than >>> Connecticut and smaller than New Jersey. That doesn't scale well to >>> the US >>> or even Europe. It might work for Slovenia. >>> >>> That bit of reality amazes me. If the Arabs ever got their act together >>> they should be able to roll up the country like a rug. Of course >>> there is >>> Big Brother and the supposed atomic bombs. >> >> Some decades ago, Paul Harvey had an interesting take on Israel's >> need for nuclear deterrent. He figured Israel needed only two >> nukes to guarantee their enemies would never push far enough to >> require use of the nukes. One would be aimed at the Aswan High >> Dam in Egypt, which would destroy basically all of Egypt--and/or >> make pretty much all of Egypt uninhabitable for centuries. The >> other would be aimed at Mecca. > > Egypt is not a major enemy of Israel - hasn't > been for a LONG time. > > Mecca ... symbolic, but ........ > > Israel apparently has 50-100 nuclear weapons > at this point. Mostly "small", but still very > deadly. > > IF an Iranian nuke goes off anywhere near > Israel then Iran is just literal TOAST. > Tehran perhaps. But Iran is a big place and tactical weapons are not really useful in such a conflict -- Civilization exists by geological consent, subject to change without notice. – Will Durant
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-07-23 19:15 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <ncf7hlFd4siU2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #89010 |
On Thu, 23 Jul 2026 11:10:45 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > On 23/07/2026 04:09, c186282 wrote: >> On 7/22/26 00:17, Robert Riches wrote: >>> On 2026-07-22, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> You need to do a reality check about Iron Dome. Israel is larger than >>>> Connecticut and smaller than New Jersey. That doesn't scale well to >>>> the US or even Europe. It might work for Slovenia. >>>> >>>> That bit of reality amazes me. If the Arabs ever got their act >>>> together they should be able to roll up the country like a rug. Of >>>> course there is Big Brother and the supposed atomic bombs. >>> >>> Some decades ago, Paul Harvey had an interesting take on Israel's need >>> for nuclear deterrent. He figured Israel needed only two nukes to >>> guarantee their enemies would never push far enough to require use of >>> the nukes. One would be aimed at the Aswan High Dam in Egypt, which >>> would destroy basically all of Egypt--and/or make pretty much all of >>> Egypt uninhabitable for centuries. The other would be aimed at Mecca. >> >> Egypt is not a major enemy of Israel - hasn't been for a LONG time. >> >> Mecca ... symbolic, but ........ >> >> Israel apparently has 50-100 nuclear weapons at this point. Mostly >> "small", but still very deadly. >> >> IF an Iranian nuke goes off anywhere near Israel then Iran is just >> literal TOAST. >> > Tehran perhaps. But Iran is a big place and tactical weapons are not > really useful in such a conflict Precisely! Iran is a damn big place, a fact that Trump seems to overlook. B1s were moved to Germany to be closer to the fray but what, exactly, are they going to bomb? I'd heard the rumor a week or so ago but now it's MSM news that the Houthis are acting up in the Red Sea. Nothing new there it truth; the Saudis have been trying to exterminate them for more than 10 years; resilient little roaches. I have no way to verify it but I saw a photo allegedly of one of the bridges destroyed in the US attack. In Arizona they're called washes rather than wadis but the idea is the same. They may have water in them when it rains hard, which in AZ might happen every few years. For convenience they are sometimes bridged. Anyway, the bridge was collapsed but the wadi was as dry as a bone. They may have used a bulldozer to level the bank a bit but traffic was driving across the wadi as usual. It may be convenient if and when it rains. Good job!
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| From | "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-07-23 18:49 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <ncev0kFc183U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #88999 |
On Wed, 22 Jul 2026 23:09:07 -0400, c186282 wrote: > > Egypt is not a major enemy of Israel - hasn't > been for a LONG time. > > Mecca ... symbolic, but ........ > > Israel apparently has 50-100 nuclear weapons > at this point. Mostly "small", but still very > deadly. > > IF an Iranian nuke goes off anywhere near > Israel then Iran is just literal TOAST. That's a big IF. I don't think Iran has nukes; they never had. But Netanyahu has been screaming for years they're "very close" to having nukes. <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mzmtdwsef8s> -- s|b
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| From | "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-07-22 16:27 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <ncc29eFsi6pU3@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #88969 |
On 22 Jul 2026 04:04:49 GMT, rbowman wrote: > Tamir rockets aren't cheap. However the US has provided about $2.6 billion > to the program. I assume much of that trickled back to Raytheon. > > The US will have the Golden Dome sometime around the 12th of Never. Being > Trump, it has to be Golden of course. I think someplace buried in the > Pentagon Reagan's Star Wars scheme is alive and well on a ventilator. > CHEAP ain't happening. > > You need to do a reality check about Iron Dome. Israel is larger than > Connecticut and smaller than New Jersey. That doesn't scale well to the US > or even Europe. It might work for Slovenia. > > That bit of reality amazes me. If the Arabs ever got their act together > they should be able to roll up the country like a rug. Of course there is > Big Brother and the supposed atomic bombs. You have any doubt they are there? -- s|b
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-07-22 17:44 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <nccdshFuaclU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #88983 |
On Wed, 22 Jul 2026 16:27:01 +0200, s|b wrote: > On 22 Jul 2026 04:04:49 GMT, rbowman wrote: > >> Tamir rockets aren't cheap. However the US has provided about $2.6 >> billion to the program. I assume much of that trickled back to >> Raytheon. >> >> The US will have the Golden Dome sometime around the 12th of Never. >> Being Trump, it has to be Golden of course. I think someplace buried in >> the Pentagon Reagan's Star Wars scheme is alive and well on a >> ventilator. CHEAP ain't happening. >> >> You need to do a reality check about Iron Dome. Israel is larger than >> Connecticut and smaller than New Jersey. That doesn't scale well to the >> US or even Europe. It might work for Slovenia. >> >> That bit of reality amazes me. If the Arabs ever got their act together >> they should be able to roll up the country like a rug. Of course there >> is Big Brother and the supposed atomic bombs. > > You have any doubt they are there? I have no doubt they are there, developed using technology pilfered from the US. It was an ironical statement since Israel has never allowed any inspections, signed any treaties, or otherwise acknowledged their existence. If it's a bluff it's a ballsy one.
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2026-07-22 23:05 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <BCydnXVugemwGPz3nZ2dnZfqnPEAAAAA@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #88969 |
On 7/22/26 00:04, rbowman wrote: > On Tue, 21 Jul 2026 21:25:45 -0400, c186282 wrote: > >> SO ... the USA/west needs something at least as good, and CHEAP, as >> "Irondome". This IS the paradigm for 21st century conflicts - send a >> swarm of hornets instead of a battleship or masses of soldiers. > > Tamir rockets aren't cheap. However the US has provided about $2.6 billion > to the program. I assume much of that trickled back to Raytheon. The "MIC" has been a racket since the 50s. Even Ike warned about it. > The US will have the Golden Dome sometime around the 12th of Never. Being > Trump, it has to be Golden of course. I think someplace buried in the > Pentagon Reagan's Star Wars scheme is alive and well on a ventilator. > CHEAP ain't happening. Don't think we will ever see "GoldenDome" > You need to do a reality check about Iron Dome. Israel is larger than > Connecticut and smaller than New Jersey. That doesn't scale well to the US > or even Europe. It might work for Slovenia. > > That bit of reality amazes me. If the Arabs ever got their act together > they should be able to roll up the country like a rug. Of course there is > Big Brother and the supposed atomic bombs. More and more worried about the "supposed" angle ... figure they HAD enough 90+ percent to make several bombs. The old Ayatollah didn't want them to make bombs, but that doesn't mean they didn't have all the PARTS around, just waiting to be assembled. IronDome is GOOD ... but, as you say, Israel is kinda SMALL. The exact same system for the USA would be an impossible investment. However laser weapons MIGHT achieve a similar level of protection.
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-07-23 11:09 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <113sp8i$3nbo7$9@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #88998 |
On 23/07/2026 04:05, c186282 wrote: > The old Ayatollah didn't want them to make > bombs, but that doesn't mean they didn't have all > the PARTS around, just waiting to be assembled. No. Tha'ts not the case. They were having a lot of trouble making refined uranium - it took the US YEARS to make enough. In fact it is normally easier - if you have a reactor - to breed plutonium and separate that. -- Civilization exists by geological consent, subject to change without notice. – Will Durant
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| From | Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-07-23 22:04 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <4ew8S.337528$0CK1.78350@fx47.iad> |
| In reply to | #88998 |
On 2026-07-23, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote: > On 7/22/26 00:04, rbowman wrote: > >> The US will have the Golden Dome sometime around the 12th of Never. Being >> Trump, it has to be Golden of course. I think someplace buried in the >> Pentagon Reagan's Star Wars scheme is alive and well on a ventilator. >> CHEAP ain't happening. > > Don't think we will ever see "GoldenDome" No, but we'll probably pay for it anyway. -- /~\ Charlie Gibbs | In this world there are \ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | two kinds of people: X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | 1. Those who can extrapolate / \ if you read it the right way. | from incomplete data.
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-07-24 01:44 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <ncfuc5Fd4siU7@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #89020 |
On Thu, 23 Jul 2026 22:04:48 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > On 2026-07-23, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote: > >> On 7/22/26 00:04, rbowman wrote: >> >>> The US will have the Golden Dome sometime around the 12th of Never. >>> Being Trump, it has to be Golden of course. I think someplace buried >>> in the Pentagon Reagan's Star Wars scheme is alive and well on a >>> ventilator. CHEAP ain't happening. >> >> Don't think we will ever see "GoldenDome" > > No, but we'll probably pay for it anyway. I think there is a few billion dollars worth of Golden Gravy in the NDAA passed by the House. Thune doesn't seem to be able to pass a bill calling for free lunches for senators so what happens now remains to be seen.
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