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| Started by | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| First post | 2026-07-18 19:38 -0400 |
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Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-18 19:38 -0400
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-19 01:29 +0000
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-18 22:09 -0400
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2026-07-20 08:55 +1000
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-20 00:52 -0400
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-20 14:13 +0200
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-20 14:20 +0100
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2026-07-20 17:49 +0200
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-07-20 16:12 +0000
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-20 18:30 +0000
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-20 19:36 +0100
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-21 01:31 +0000
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2026-07-21 22:32 +0200
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-07-20 19:29 +0000
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-21 01:47 +0000
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-07-21 04:05 +0000
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-21 00:16 -0400
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-21 07:27 +0000
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-21 21:18 -0400
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-22 03:16 +0000
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-21 23:33 -0400
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-22 07:22 +0000
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-22 12:52 +0100
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-22 17:56 +0000
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-23 11:06 +0100
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-23 19:00 +0000
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-22 12:51 +0100
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-22 18:31 +0000
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-23 11:07 +0100
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-23 19:49 +0000
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2026-07-20 21:39 +0200
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-07-20 20:26 +0000
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-20 21:54 +0100
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-07-21 04:10 +0000
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-20 21:53 +0100
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-21 02:06 +0000
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-21 10:33 +0100
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-07-21 04:13 +0000
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-21 10:36 +0100
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-21 18:29 +0000
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-21 20:45 +0100
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2026-07-21 22:48 +0200
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-21 23:32 +0000
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-07-22 00:02 +0000
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-22 12:50 +0100
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-07-22 14:35 +0000
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2026-07-22 17:04 +0200
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-22 18:35 +0000
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-22 23:41 -0400
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-23 04:14 +0000
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-23 23:22 -0400
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s Mike Scott <usenet.16@scottsonline.org.uk.invalid> - 2026-07-23 08:26 +0100
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-23 11:00 +0100
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-22 22:54 +0000
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-23 10:57 +0100
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-23 19:44 +0000
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-23 20:57 +0100
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-07-23 22:04 +0000
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2026-07-25 17:08 +0200
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-25 22:52 +0000
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-25 22:32 -0400
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-21 23:29 +0000
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-22 12:49 +0100
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-21 23:34 -0400
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-22 12:57 +0100
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2026-07-22 16:22 +0200
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-22 17:59 +0000
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-22 22:51 +0000
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-23 10:51 +0100
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2026-07-23 18:43 +0200
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-23 19:33 +0000
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-07-23 22:04 +0000
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-24 01:32 +0000
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-24 13:59 +0200
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-24 22:09 -0400
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-25 05:02 +0000
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-25 21:16 -0400
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-25 12:48 +0200
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-23 20:37 +0100
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2026-07-25 15:55 +0200
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-25 14:58 +0100
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2026-07-25 16:53 +0200
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-25 15:59 +0100
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-25 22:29 -0400
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-25 22:28 -0400
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-21 11:40 +0200
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-21 18:07 +0000
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-22 01:19 +0000
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-21 21:32 -0400
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-22 08:31 +0100
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-22 13:42 +0200
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-07-22 14:35 +0000
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-22 22:49 +0000
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-22 18:29 +0000
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-22 22:46 +0000
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s Andreas Eder <a_eder_muc@web.de> - 2026-07-22 10:21 +0200
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-22 13:39 +0200
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-22 17:54 +0000
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2026-07-21 22:30 +0200
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-20 12:24 +0100
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-20 18:01 +0000
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-07-20 20:21 +0000
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-21 01:21 +0000
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-07-21 04:22 +0000
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-21 07:22 +0000
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-07-21 08:39 +0100
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-07-21 12:53 +0000
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-21 21:25 -0400
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-22 04:04 +0000
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2026-07-22 04:17 +0000
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-22 23:09 -0400
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-23 04:45 +0000
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-23 23:31 -0400
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-24 11:01 +0100
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-24 22:05 -0400
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-25 13:44 +0100
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-25 22:23 -0400
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-23 11:10 +0100
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-23 19:15 +0000
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2026-07-23 18:49 +0200
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2026-07-22 16:27 +0200
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-22 17:44 +0000
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-22 23:05 -0400
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-23 11:09 +0100
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-07-23 22:04 +0000
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-24 01:44 +0000
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-23 23:39 -0400
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-24 07:15 +0000
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-24 21:32 -0400
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-24 11:00 +0100
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-24 21:43 -0400
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-25 13:42 +0100
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-25 16:39 +0000
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-25 17:50 +0100
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-25 20:27 +0000
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-25 21:55 -0400
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2026-07-22 16:24 +0200
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-21 00:10 -0400
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-21 10:34 +0100
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-07-21 12:55 +0000
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-19 03:58 +0100
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-19 04:32 +0000
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| From | "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-07-22 16:27 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <ncc29eFsi6pU3@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #88969 |
On 22 Jul 2026 04:04:49 GMT, rbowman wrote: > Tamir rockets aren't cheap. However the US has provided about $2.6 billion > to the program. I assume much of that trickled back to Raytheon. > > The US will have the Golden Dome sometime around the 12th of Never. Being > Trump, it has to be Golden of course. I think someplace buried in the > Pentagon Reagan's Star Wars scheme is alive and well on a ventilator. > CHEAP ain't happening. > > You need to do a reality check about Iron Dome. Israel is larger than > Connecticut and smaller than New Jersey. That doesn't scale well to the US > or even Europe. It might work for Slovenia. > > That bit of reality amazes me. If the Arabs ever got their act together > they should be able to roll up the country like a rug. Of course there is > Big Brother and the supposed atomic bombs. You have any doubt they are there? -- s|b
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-07-22 17:44 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <nccdshFuaclU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #88983 |
On Wed, 22 Jul 2026 16:27:01 +0200, s|b wrote: > On 22 Jul 2026 04:04:49 GMT, rbowman wrote: > >> Tamir rockets aren't cheap. However the US has provided about $2.6 >> billion to the program. I assume much of that trickled back to >> Raytheon. >> >> The US will have the Golden Dome sometime around the 12th of Never. >> Being Trump, it has to be Golden of course. I think someplace buried in >> the Pentagon Reagan's Star Wars scheme is alive and well on a >> ventilator. CHEAP ain't happening. >> >> You need to do a reality check about Iron Dome. Israel is larger than >> Connecticut and smaller than New Jersey. That doesn't scale well to the >> US or even Europe. It might work for Slovenia. >> >> That bit of reality amazes me. If the Arabs ever got their act together >> they should be able to roll up the country like a rug. Of course there >> is Big Brother and the supposed atomic bombs. > > You have any doubt they are there? I have no doubt they are there, developed using technology pilfered from the US. It was an ironical statement since Israel has never allowed any inspections, signed any treaties, or otherwise acknowledged their existence. If it's a bluff it's a ballsy one.
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2026-07-22 23:05 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <BCydnXVugemwGPz3nZ2dnZfqnPEAAAAA@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #88969 |
On 7/22/26 00:04, rbowman wrote: > On Tue, 21 Jul 2026 21:25:45 -0400, c186282 wrote: > >> SO ... the USA/west needs something at least as good, and CHEAP, as >> "Irondome". This IS the paradigm for 21st century conflicts - send a >> swarm of hornets instead of a battleship or masses of soldiers. > > Tamir rockets aren't cheap. However the US has provided about $2.6 billion > to the program. I assume much of that trickled back to Raytheon. The "MIC" has been a racket since the 50s. Even Ike warned about it. > The US will have the Golden Dome sometime around the 12th of Never. Being > Trump, it has to be Golden of course. I think someplace buried in the > Pentagon Reagan's Star Wars scheme is alive and well on a ventilator. > CHEAP ain't happening. Don't think we will ever see "GoldenDome" > You need to do a reality check about Iron Dome. Israel is larger than > Connecticut and smaller than New Jersey. That doesn't scale well to the US > or even Europe. It might work for Slovenia. > > That bit of reality amazes me. If the Arabs ever got their act together > they should be able to roll up the country like a rug. Of course there is > Big Brother and the supposed atomic bombs. More and more worried about the "supposed" angle ... figure they HAD enough 90+ percent to make several bombs. The old Ayatollah didn't want them to make bombs, but that doesn't mean they didn't have all the PARTS around, just waiting to be assembled. IronDome is GOOD ... but, as you say, Israel is kinda SMALL. The exact same system for the USA would be an impossible investment. However laser weapons MIGHT achieve a similar level of protection.
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-07-23 11:09 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <113sp8i$3nbo7$9@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #88998 |
On 23/07/2026 04:05, c186282 wrote: > The old Ayatollah didn't want them to make > bombs, but that doesn't mean they didn't have all > the PARTS around, just waiting to be assembled. No. Tha'ts not the case. They were having a lot of trouble making refined uranium - it took the US YEARS to make enough. In fact it is normally easier - if you have a reactor - to breed plutonium and separate that. -- Civilization exists by geological consent, subject to change without notice. – Will Durant
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| From | Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-07-23 22:04 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <4ew8S.337528$0CK1.78350@fx47.iad> |
| In reply to | #88998 |
On 2026-07-23, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote: > On 7/22/26 00:04, rbowman wrote: > >> The US will have the Golden Dome sometime around the 12th of Never. Being >> Trump, it has to be Golden of course. I think someplace buried in the >> Pentagon Reagan's Star Wars scheme is alive and well on a ventilator. >> CHEAP ain't happening. > > Don't think we will ever see "GoldenDome" No, but we'll probably pay for it anyway. -- /~\ Charlie Gibbs | In this world there are \ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | two kinds of people: X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | 1. Those who can extrapolate / \ if you read it the right way. | from incomplete data.
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-07-24 01:44 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <ncfuc5Fd4siU7@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #89020 |
On Thu, 23 Jul 2026 22:04:48 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > On 2026-07-23, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote: > >> On 7/22/26 00:04, rbowman wrote: >> >>> The US will have the Golden Dome sometime around the 12th of Never. >>> Being Trump, it has to be Golden of course. I think someplace buried >>> in the Pentagon Reagan's Star Wars scheme is alive and well on a >>> ventilator. CHEAP ain't happening. >> >> Don't think we will ever see "GoldenDome" > > No, but we'll probably pay for it anyway. I think there is a few billion dollars worth of Golden Gravy in the NDAA passed by the House. Thune doesn't seem to be able to pass a bill calling for free lunches for senators so what happens now remains to be seen.
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2026-07-23 23:39 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <ZnmdnVlleebaQ__3nZ2dnZfqnPudnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #89024 |
On 7/23/26 21:44, rbowman wrote: > On Thu, 23 Jul 2026 22:04:48 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > >> On 2026-07-23, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote: >> >>> On 7/22/26 00:04, rbowman wrote: >>> >>>> The US will have the Golden Dome sometime around the 12th of Never. >>>> Being Trump, it has to be Golden of course. I think someplace buried >>>> in the Pentagon Reagan's Star Wars scheme is alive and well on a >>>> ventilator. CHEAP ain't happening. >>> >>> Don't think we will ever see "GoldenDome" >> >> No, but we'll probably pay for it anyway. > > I think there is a few billion dollars worth of Golden Gravy in the NDAA > passed by the House. Thune doesn't seem to be able to pass a bill calling > for free lunches for senators so what happens now remains to be seen. "GoldenDome" is NOT practical. The USA is just WAY too damned BIG. It can be attacked from any direction. The sheer scale of a missile defense system is, well, just impractical. Something new/different would be needed - giant, really giant, lasers or something. Alas enemies would try to disable such facilities just before their main attack. You only need a FEW routes into the US heartland ..... Oh, peace & love and universal disarmament ... it's NOT HAPPENING folks. The species isn't wired that way.
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-07-24 07:15 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <ncghnmFd4siU10@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #89027 |
On Thu, 23 Jul 2026 23:39:16 -0400, c186282 wrote: > "GoldenDome" is NOT practical. The USA is just WAY too damned BIG. It > can be attacked from any direction. The sheer scale of a missile > defense system is, well, just impractical. You do realize Golden Dome is essentially StarLink with missiles? It's designed to cover the world, not just the US.
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2026-07-24 21:32 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <c1ednS8zhqKnj_n3nZ2dnZfqnPSdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #89028 |
On 7/24/26 03:15, rbowman wrote: > On Thu, 23 Jul 2026 23:39:16 -0400, c186282 wrote: > >> "GoldenDome" is NOT practical. The USA is just WAY too damned BIG. It >> can be attacked from any direction. The sheer scale of a missile >> defense system is, well, just impractical. > > You do realize Golden Dome is essentially StarLink with missiles? It's > designed to cover the world, not just the US. Won't, can't. SOUNDS easy ... but the SCALE just screws it.
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-07-24 11:00 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <113vd3m$is3h$4@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #89027 |
On 24/07/2026 04:39, c186282 wrote: > "GoldenDome" is NOT practical. The USA is just > WAY too damned BIG. It can be attacked from any > direction. The sheer scale of a missile defense > system is, well, just impractical. > I think the only way to make this work is to move everything of importance underground. And leave the surface for cyclists and bunny huggers > Something new/different would be needed - giant, > really giant, lasers or something. > Or a lot of little ones. > Alas enemies would try to disable such facilities > just before their main attack. You only need a FEW > routes into the US heartland ..... Don't worry. ICE will stop them. -- It is the folly of too many to mistake the echo of a London coffee-house for the voice of the kingdom. Jonathan Swift
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2026-07-24 21:43 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <_YycnbusAfEnifn3nZ2dnZfqn_idnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #89029 |
On 7/24/26 06:00, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > On 24/07/2026 04:39, c186282 wrote: >> "GoldenDome" is NOT practical. The USA is just >> WAY too damned BIG. It can be attacked from any >> direction. The sheer scale of a missile defense >> system is, well, just impractical. >> > I think the only way to make this work is to move everything of > importance underground. And leave the surface for cyclists and bunny > huggers > >> Something new/different would be needed - giant, >> really giant, lasers or something. >> > Or a lot of little ones. Who's gonna PAY for them ? Just to cover the US mainland we'd be talking maybe a few THOUSAND of those 'small' lasers. X-percent will be out of service at any given time. Current 'directed energy' devices really just ain't so good. Fuckin' atmosphere ...... When we have a permanent moon colony, put one THERE to fend off the Chinese or whomever. In a vac they WILL work well. Oh, you don't have to directly hit any major cities - just plop a fallout-enhanced bomb somewhere nearby. Maybe worse ... >> Alas enemies would try to disable such facilities >> just before their main attack. You only need a FEW >> routes into the US heartland ..... > > Don't worry. ICE will stop them. Um ... no - alas ..... Without kinda literal Star Trek force-shield tech countries will remain fairly vulnerable. Plenty of promises, but no realistic solutions other than to prevent The War from happening.
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-07-25 13:42 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <1142b07$1g3r9$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #89033 |
On 25/07/2026 02:43, c186282 wrote: > On 7/24/26 06:00, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >> On 24/07/2026 04:39, c186282 wrote: >>> "GoldenDome" is NOT practical. The USA is just >>> WAY too damned BIG. It can be attacked from any >>> direction. The sheer scale of a missile defense >>> system is, well, just impractical. >>> >> I think the only way to make this work is to move everything of >> importance underground. And leave the surface for cyclists and bunny >> huggers >> >>> Something new/different would be needed - giant, >>> really giant, lasers or something. >>> >> Or a lot of little ones. > > Who's gonna PAY for them ? Just to cover the US > mainland we'd be talking maybe a few THOUSAND > of those 'small' lasers. X-percent will be out > of service at any given time. > What makes you think they would be expensive? -- New Socialism consists essentially in being seen to have your heart in the right place whilst your head is in the clouds and your hand is in someone else's pocket.
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-07-25 16:39 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <nck76gFovvdU8@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #89038 |
On Sat, 25 Jul 2026 13:42:47 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > On 25/07/2026 02:43, c186282 wrote: >> On 7/24/26 06:00, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >>> On 24/07/2026 04:39, c186282 wrote: >>>> "GoldenDome" is NOT practical. The USA is just >>>> WAY too damned BIG. It can be attacked from any direction. The >>>> sheer scale of a missile defense system is, well, just >>>> impractical. >>>> >>> I think the only way to make this work is to move everything of >>> importance underground. And leave the surface for cyclists and bunny >>> huggers >>> >>>> Something new/different would be needed - giant, >>>> really giant, lasers or something. >>>> >>> Or a lot of little ones. >> >> Who's gonna PAY for them ? Just to cover the US mainland we'd be >> talking maybe a few THOUSAND of those 'small' lasers. X-percent >> will be out of service at any given time. >> > What makes you think they would be expensive? Is the US government going to pay for them? In that case they will be delivered late, not completely operational, and have cost overruns twice or more of the original estimate. Prove I'm wrong.
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-07-25 17:50 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <1142phe$1kmvu$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #89045 |
On 25/07/2026 17:39, rbowman wrote: > On Sat, 25 Jul 2026 13:42:47 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > >> On 25/07/2026 02:43, c186282 wrote: >>> On 7/24/26 06:00, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >>>> On 24/07/2026 04:39, c186282 wrote: >>>>> "GoldenDome" is NOT practical. The USA is just >>>>> WAY too damned BIG. It can be attacked from any direction. The >>>>> sheer scale of a missile defense system is, well, just >>>>> impractical. >>>>> >>>> I think the only way to make this work is to move everything of >>>> importance underground. And leave the surface for cyclists and bunny >>>> huggers >>>> >>>>> Something new/different would be needed - giant, >>>>> really giant, lasers or something. >>>>> >>>> Or a lot of little ones. >>> >>> Who's gonna PAY for them ? Just to cover the US mainland we'd be >>> talking maybe a few THOUSAND of those 'small' lasers. X-percent >>> will be out of service at any given time. >>> >> What makes you think they would be expensive? > > Is the US government going to pay for them? In that case they will be > delivered late, not completely operational, and have cost overruns twice > or more of the original estimate. Prove I'm wrong. Don't be silly. First you don't need hundreds. It's all down to how fast you can slew the optics and the recharge time of whatever powers the laser. secondly lasers - even reasonably high powered ones - are not that expensive . Oh, invisible unicorns are massing in Times Square *Prove me wrong*. -- “it should be clear by now to everyone that activist environmentalism (or environmental activism) is becoming a general ideology about humans, about their freedom, about the relationship between the individual and the state, and about the manipulation of people under the guise of a 'noble' idea. It is not an honest pursuit of 'sustainable development,' a matter of elementary environmental protection, or a search for rational mechanisms designed to achieve a healthy environment. Yet things do occur that make you shake your head and remind yourself that you live neither in Joseph Stalin’s Communist era, nor in the Orwellian utopia of 1984.” Vaclav Klaus
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-07-25 20:27 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <nckkgtFovvdU12@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #89046 |
On Sat, 25 Jul 2026 17:50:54 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >> Is the US government going to pay for them? In that case they will be >> delivered late, not completely operational, and have cost overruns >> twice or more of the original estimate. Prove I'm wrong. > Don't be silly. > > First you don't need hundreds. It's all down to how fast you can slew > the optics and the recharge time of whatever powers the laser. > secondly lasers - even reasonably high powered ones - are not that > expensive . > > Oh, invisible unicorns are massing in Times Square *Prove me wrong*. You truly underestimate the ability of the US government to fuck up any project. You still have the problem of area. This isn't Britain.
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2026-07-25 21:55 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <8i2dnak3UJ6u9Pj3nZ2dnZfqnPidnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #89038 |
On 7/25/26 08:42, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > On 25/07/2026 02:43, c186282 wrote: >> On 7/24/26 06:00, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >>> On 24/07/2026 04:39, c186282 wrote: >>>> "GoldenDome" is NOT practical. The USA is just >>>> WAY too damned BIG. It can be attacked from any >>>> direction. The sheer scale of a missile defense >>>> system is, well, just impractical. >>>> >>> I think the only way to make this work is to move everything of >>> importance underground. And leave the surface for cyclists and bunny >>> huggers >>> >>>> Something new/different would be needed - giant, >>>> really giant, lasers or something. >>>> >>> Or a lot of little ones. >> >> Who's gonna PAY for them ? Just to cover the US >> mainland we'd be talking maybe a few THOUSAND >> of those 'small' lasers. X-percent will be out >> of service at any given time. >> > What makes you think they would be expensive? Think about the tech, and precision, required. Price building a 500kw-plus pulse laser in yer garage. Oh yea, what powers them, The Grid ??? Three EMP devices and 90% of The Grid goes down hard. Ya might be OK in like Miami - but Miami ain't gonna save the whole USA. To intercept a big, maybe a bit wobbly, incoming missile you'd have to focus HUGE energy on ONE spot within maybe 0.1 second. Haven't done the equations, but I think we're talking HUGE laser energy here. Then you have to re-charge within a few seconds to get the NEXT missile. Put a micron of shiny chrome on the missiles and now you need TWICE the energy. Did see a fun news story today ... a couple of Ukrainians in an open-cockpit plane shot down a Russian drone. The guy in the back seat took it out with a RIFLE and it crashed into the sea. Brit pilots in WW-2 used to "bump" V-1 drones off course with their planes. Are we back to 1944 again ? :-) The "nest of hornets" model kinda invented by Ukraine - the face of 21st century war - is incredibly difficult to defend against. It's the end of 'large' assets - aka large TARGETS. Iran - hate 'em or hate 'em - is employing the same 'nest' strategy. It's proving impossible to get at EVERYTHING, thus leaving them enough to at least 'terrorize'. The USA doesn't need any more big carriers, it needs to spend that money on 200 little, mostly robotic, drone/missile launching boats and cargo planes that can spit out a dozen. How to DEAL with masses of drones and little missiles - SOME maybe with a tac-nuke - coming from every direction ??? Lasers and 'smart' counter-drones are the only tact, but don't think the lasers will be cheap or lack vulnerabilities. The incoming drones will also have avoidance algos for counter-drones. Oh, and China will have pre-hacked the laser software - one or more 'kill switches'. Good fuckin' luck finding them :-)
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| From | "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-07-22 16:24 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <ncc25bFsi6pU2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #88946 |
On Tue, 21 Jul 2026 08:39:40 +0100, Andy Burns wrote: > Isn't this where AI steps in and says > "A strange game, the only winning move is not to play"? > > FX: hollow-laughter How about a nice game of chess? -- s|b
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2026-07-21 00:10 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <grWdnfGaFtcZbMP3nZ2dnZfqn_adnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #88919 |
On 7/20/26 07:24, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > On 19/07/2026 23:55, Computer Nerd Kev wrote: >> rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote: >>> On Sat, 18 Jul 2026 19:38:31 -0400, c186282 wrote: >>>> Meanwhile, everything made in USA costs a million dollars per unit >>>> and take forever to build. >>> >>> I forget who said 'Generals do not end wars; accountants do.' Estimates >>> vary but the Tamir missile used by Iron Dome costs around $50K. When you >>> use them to blow up a $5K DJI drone the costs add up fast. That's >>> chicken >>> feed compared to the cost of a Tomahawk. >> >> The USA and Israel are getting deep into laser weapons now > > UK already has them > >> for that >> reason, but I'm just waiting for drones/missiles to arrive sporting >> mirrors designed to reflect those beams back and set fire to things >> on the ground instead. >> > Not very aerodynamic. > Easier to buzz along hugging the terrain. Retroreflectors can be done using 'zone lenses', flat. However just bright chrome/gold micro-plating would probably serve. > Your general purpose drone deploys photovoltaic 'wings' by day and > crawls, swims or flies towards its target until it smells the particular > DNA combination in the air, when its off like a bloodhound to its > intended target, and it's bye bye Trump, or Putin, or Justin Bieber... Assassin drones ? Forget DNA. Biometric ID would serve - and is current and cheaper.
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-07-21 10:34 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <113nefd$1rvch$3@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #88939 |
On 21/07/2026 05:10, c186282 wrote: > On 7/20/26 07:24, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >> On 19/07/2026 23:55, Computer Nerd Kev wrote: >>> rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote: >>>> On Sat, 18 Jul 2026 19:38:31 -0400, c186282 wrote: >>>>> Meanwhile, everything made in USA costs a million dollars per unit >>>>> and take forever to build. >>>> >>>> I forget who said 'Generals do not end wars; accountants do.' >>>> Estimates >>>> vary but the Tamir missile used by Iron Dome costs around $50K. When >>>> you >>>> use them to blow up a $5K DJI drone the costs add up fast. That's >>>> chicken >>>> feed compared to the cost of a Tomahawk. >>> >>> The USA and Israel are getting deep into laser weapons now >> >> UK already has them >> >>> for that >>> reason, but I'm just waiting for drones/missiles to arrive sporting >>> mirrors designed to reflect those beams back and set fire to things >>> on the ground instead. >>> >> Not very aerodynamic. >> Easier to buzz along hugging the terrain. > > Retroreflectors can be done using 'zone lenses', > flat. > > However just bright chrome/gold micro-plating > would probably serve. > >> Your general purpose drone deploys photovoltaic 'wings' by day and >> crawls, swims or flies towards its target until it smells the >> particular DNA combination in the air, when its off like a bloodhound >> to its intended target, and it's bye bye Trump, or Putin, or Justin >> Bieber... > > Assassin drones ? > > Forget DNA. > > Biometric ID would serve - and is current > and cheaper. > It doesn't work like that. And can be faked -- "If you don’t read the news paper, you are un-informed. If you read the news paper, you are mis-informed." Mark Twain
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| From | Rich <rich@example.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-07-21 12:55 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <113nq84$201do$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #88939 |
c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote: > On 7/20/26 07:24, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >> Your general purpose drone deploys photovoltaic 'wings' by day and >> crawls, swims or flies towards its target until it smells the >> particular DNA combination in the air, when its off like a >> bloodhound to its intended target, and it's bye bye Trump, or Putin, >> or Justin Bieber... > > Assassin drones ? > > Forget DNA. > > Biometric ID would serve - and is current > and cheaper. Or, more likely (at least in the US) the Drone ask's the spy camera company Flock where the target is at this moment, and then flys there to perform the assination.
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