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| Started by | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| First post | 2026-07-18 19:38 -0400 |
| Last post | 2026-07-19 04:32 +0000 |
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Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-18 19:38 -0400
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-19 01:29 +0000
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-18 22:09 -0400
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2026-07-20 08:55 +1000
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-20 00:52 -0400
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-20 14:13 +0200
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-20 14:20 +0100
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2026-07-20 17:49 +0200
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-07-20 16:12 +0000
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-20 18:30 +0000
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-20 19:36 +0100
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-21 01:31 +0000
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2026-07-21 22:32 +0200
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-07-20 19:29 +0000
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-21 01:47 +0000
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-07-21 04:05 +0000
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-21 00:16 -0400
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-21 07:27 +0000
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-21 21:18 -0400
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-22 03:16 +0000
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-21 23:33 -0400
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-22 07:22 +0000
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-22 12:52 +0100
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-22 17:56 +0000
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-23 11:06 +0100
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-23 19:00 +0000
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-22 12:51 +0100
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-22 18:31 +0000
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-23 11:07 +0100
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-23 19:49 +0000
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2026-07-20 21:39 +0200
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-07-20 20:26 +0000
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-20 21:54 +0100
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-07-21 04:10 +0000
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-20 21:53 +0100
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-21 02:06 +0000
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-21 10:33 +0100
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-07-21 04:13 +0000
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-21 10:36 +0100
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-21 18:29 +0000
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-21 20:45 +0100
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2026-07-21 22:48 +0200
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-21 23:32 +0000
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-07-22 00:02 +0000
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-22 12:50 +0100
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-07-22 14:35 +0000
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2026-07-22 17:04 +0200
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-22 18:35 +0000
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-22 23:41 -0400
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-23 04:14 +0000
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-23 23:22 -0400
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s Mike Scott <usenet.16@scottsonline.org.uk.invalid> - 2026-07-23 08:26 +0100
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-23 11:00 +0100
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-22 22:54 +0000
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-23 10:57 +0100
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-23 19:44 +0000
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-23 20:57 +0100
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-07-23 22:04 +0000
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2026-07-25 17:08 +0200
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-25 22:52 +0000
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-25 22:32 -0400
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-26 08:54 +0100
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-26 12:50 +0100
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-21 23:29 +0000
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-22 12:49 +0100
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-21 23:34 -0400
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-22 12:57 +0100
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2026-07-22 16:22 +0200
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-22 17:59 +0000
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-22 22:51 +0000
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-23 10:51 +0100
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2026-07-23 18:43 +0200
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-23 19:33 +0000
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-07-23 22:04 +0000
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-24 01:32 +0000
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-24 13:59 +0200
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-24 22:09 -0400
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-25 05:02 +0000
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-25 21:16 -0400
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-25 12:48 +0200
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-23 20:37 +0100
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2026-07-25 15:55 +0200
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-25 14:58 +0100
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2026-07-25 16:53 +0200
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-25 15:59 +0100
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-25 22:29 -0400
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-25 22:28 -0400
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-26 14:11 +0200
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-21 11:40 +0200
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-21 18:07 +0000
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-22 01:19 +0000
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-21 21:32 -0400
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-22 08:31 +0100
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-22 13:42 +0200
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-07-22 14:35 +0000
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-22 22:49 +0000
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-22 18:29 +0000
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-22 22:46 +0000
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s Andreas Eder <a_eder_muc@web.de> - 2026-07-22 10:21 +0200
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-22 13:39 +0200
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-22 17:54 +0000
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2026-07-21 22:30 +0200
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-20 12:24 +0100
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-20 18:01 +0000
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-07-20 20:21 +0000
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-21 01:21 +0000
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-07-21 04:22 +0000
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-21 07:22 +0000
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-07-21 08:39 +0100
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-07-21 12:53 +0000
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-21 21:25 -0400
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-22 04:04 +0000
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2026-07-22 04:17 +0000
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-22 23:09 -0400
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-23 04:45 +0000
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-23 23:31 -0400
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-24 11:01 +0100
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-24 22:05 -0400
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-25 13:44 +0100
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-25 22:23 -0400
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-23 11:10 +0100
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-23 19:15 +0000
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2026-07-23 18:49 +0200
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2026-07-22 16:27 +0200
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-22 17:44 +0000
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-22 23:05 -0400
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-23 11:09 +0100
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-07-23 22:04 +0000
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-24 01:44 +0000
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-23 23:39 -0400
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-24 07:15 +0000
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-24 21:32 -0400
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-24 11:00 +0100
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-24 21:43 -0400
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-25 13:42 +0100
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-25 16:39 +0000
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-25 17:50 +0100
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-25 20:27 +0000
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-26 12:40 +0100
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-25 21:55 -0400
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-26 12:48 +0100
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2026-07-22 16:24 +0200
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-21 00:10 -0400
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-21 10:34 +0100
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-07-21 12:55 +0000
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-19 03:58 +0100
Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-19 04:32 +0000
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-07-22 17:54 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <nccedsFuaclU2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #88973 |
On Wed, 22 Jul 2026 10:21:34 +0200, Andreas Eder wrote: > It hasn't got much to do with Islam per se, it is more the 'strict' that > is important. Look at the Evangelicals in the U.S.. There is a state park in the eastern part of the state with many fossil remains including T. Rex and Triceratops. Interpretive trails explain the history and geology. On the other side of the small town there is a museum claiming the dinosaurs and humans coexisted and Noah may have rounded some up for the ark. A foundation run by are governor has been generous, including donating a T. Rex replica.
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| From | "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-07-21 22:30 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <nca36oFj7idU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #88932 |
On Mon, 20 Jul 2026 21:53:04 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > We can be thankful that Islam does not mesh well with Science. That's a misconception. Why do you think Israel bombed schools and universities in Iran? It's not because they were harbouring nukes. IIRC a lot of women graduated from those universities, even more than men. -- s|b
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-07-20 12:24 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <113l0hq$14e0h$5@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #88909 |
On 19/07/2026 23:55, Computer Nerd Kev wrote: > rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote: >> On Sat, 18 Jul 2026 19:38:31 -0400, c186282 wrote: >>> Meanwhile, everything made in USA costs a million dollars per unit >>> and take forever to build. >> >> I forget who said 'Generals do not end wars; accountants do.' Estimates >> vary but the Tamir missile used by Iron Dome costs around $50K. When you >> use them to blow up a $5K DJI drone the costs add up fast. That's chicken >> feed compared to the cost of a Tomahawk. > > The USA and Israel are getting deep into laser weapons now UK already has them > for that > reason, but I'm just waiting for drones/missiles to arrive sporting > mirrors designed to reflect those beams back and set fire to things > on the ground instead. > Not very aerodynamic. Easier to buzz along hugging the terrain. Your general purpose drone deploys photovoltaic 'wings' by day and crawls, swims or flies towards its target until it smells the particular DNA combination in the air, when its off like a bloodhound to its intended target, and it's bye bye Trump, or Putin, or Justin Bieber... -- How fortunate for governments that the people they administer don't think. Adolf Hitler
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-07-20 18:01 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <nc7649F4a0qU2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #88919 |
On Mon, 20 Jul 2026 12:24:42 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > On 19/07/2026 23:55, Computer Nerd Kev wrote: >> rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote: >>> On Sat, 18 Jul 2026 19:38:31 -0400, c186282 wrote: >>>> Meanwhile, everything made in USA costs a million dollars per >>>> unit and take forever to build. >>> >>> I forget who said 'Generals do not end wars; accountants do.' >>> Estimates vary but the Tamir missile used by Iron Dome costs around >>> $50K. When you use them to blow up a $5K DJI drone the costs add up >>> fast. That's chicken feed compared to the cost of a Tomahawk. >> >> The USA and Israel are getting deep into laser weapons now > > UK already has them DragonFire might be operational next year and may live up to the hype. Apparently US air defense systems aren't 100% successful, The media seem reluctant to examine the repercussions of Iran hitting US assets in Jordan.
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| From | Rich <rich@example.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-07-20 20:21 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <113m00c$1fdi4$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #88924 |
rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote: > On Mon, 20 Jul 2026 12:24:42 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > >> On 19/07/2026 23:55, Computer Nerd Kev wrote: >>> rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote: >>>> On Sat, 18 Jul 2026 19:38:31 -0400, c186282 wrote: >>>>> Meanwhile, everything made in USA costs a million dollars per >>>>> unit and take forever to build. >>>> >>>> I forget who said 'Generals do not end wars; accountants do.' >>>> Estimates vary but the Tamir missile used by Iron Dome costs >>>> around $50K. When you use them to blow up a $5K DJI drone the >>>> costs add up fast. That's chicken feed compared to the cost of a >>>> Tomahawk. >>> >>> The USA and Israel are getting deep into laser weapons now >> >> UK already has them > > DragonFire might be operational next year and may live up to the > hype. Apparently US air defense systems aren't 100% successful, The > media seem reluctant to examine the repercussions of Iran hitting US > assets in Jordan. And therein lies the problem with "swarms of cheap drones". The attacker can build, and launch, 50 "low cost drones" (granted, $50k seems a lot, but it is 'low cost' as compared to a US Military missle of 5M and up each) at an attack target. The drone defense has to be 100% perfect every time because if even one drone survives to its target, some damage will be taken by the target. And it is very unlikely *any* of the air/drone defense systems are 100% perfect every time. Plus, if the "drone defence" is firing anything that is more costly to build than the drone itself, then there is a significant asymetric cost factor applied to the defender as well.
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-07-21 01:21 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <nc7vtbF7pt3U2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #88930 |
On Mon, 20 Jul 2026 20:21:32 -0000 (UTC), Rich wrote: > Plus, if the "drone defence" is firing anything that is more costly to > build than the drone itself, then there is a significant asymetric cost > factor applied to the defender as well. They are more flying sewer pipes than drones but taking out a $500 Qassam rocket with a $50,000 Tamir missile is asymmetric. A Qassam can't hit the proverbial broad side of a barn but it might get lucky and hit something other than a sheep so they can't be ignored. Something that might actually hit a HVT ups the game considerably.
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| From | Rich <rich@example.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-07-21 04:22 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <113ms5i$1n2nt$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #88934 |
rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote: > On Mon, 20 Jul 2026 20:21:32 -0000 (UTC), Rich wrote: > >> Plus, if the "drone defence" is firing anything that is more costly to >> build than the drone itself, then there is a significant asymetric cost >> factor applied to the defender as well. > > They are more flying sewer pipes than drones but taking out a $500 Qassam > rocket with a $50,000 Tamir missile is asymmetric. A Qassam can't hit the > proverbial broad side of a barn but it might get lucky and hit something > other than a sheep so they can't be ignored. > > Something that might actually hit a HVT ups the game considerably. Yeah, if the accuracy increases (and it does not need to increase much to become a real danger) that very much changes things. But even so, at a 100:1 cost ratio, someone can lob 100 Qassam rockets towards a single target for the price of one Tamir missle. Even if the Tamir could somehow take out 99 of the Qassam's (it can't) that still leaves one that will explode somewhere the defender really does not want explosions happening. If two Tamir's are used against the swarm, then the swarm could be 200 large before it again cost the same as the two missles. And two missles won't take out all 200 incoming, so still, one or more explosions somewhere you'd rather not have any explosions. The "swarm offense" with cheap weapons creates a very different battlefield than the traditional one where both sides are lobbing ordinance at roughly the same rate and roughly the same cost per lob.
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-07-21 07:22 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <nc8l25F7pt3U7@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #88943 |
On Tue, 21 Jul 2026 04:22:11 -0000 (UTC), Rich wrote: > The "swarm offense" with cheap weapons creates a very different > battlefield than the traditional one where both sides are lobbing > ordinance at roughly the same rate and roughly the same cost per lob. The lobs get a little pricey. The Zumwalt class ships were designed around the Advanced Gun System. The ships themselves had problems and had to call AAA for a tow home a couple of times. Then the Navy realized the AGS took very special ammunition at around a million a pop. The program was scrapped and the AGS systems removed. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Gun_System BAE and Lockheed smiled all the way to the bank. They didn't even have the possible problem of the systems not working well.I don't think the Long- Range Hypersonic Weapon is ready for prime time yet. There was talk about using it against Iran. The existing HIMARS launched missiles don't have enough range. Fortunately the Navy still has the Arleigh-Burke class. They were going to stop building them before the Zumwalt class fell on its face.
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| From | Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> |
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| Date | 2026-07-21 08:39 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <nc8m07Fbjc9U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #88943 |
Rich wrote: > at a 100:1 cost ratio, someone can lob 100 Qassam rockets > towards a single target for the price of one Tamir missle. Even if the > Tamir could somehow take out 99 of the Qassam's (it can't) that still > leaves one that will explode somewhere the defender really does not > want explosions happening. > > If two Tamir's are used against the swarm, then the swarm could be 200 > large before it again cost the same as the two missles. And two > missles won't take out all 200 incoming, so still, one or more > explosions somewhere you'd rather not have any explosions. Isn't this where AI steps in and says "A strange game, the only winning move is not to play"? FX: hollow-laughter
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| From | Rich <rich@example.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-07-21 12:53 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <113nq4f$201do$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #88946 |
Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote: > Rich wrote: > >> at a 100:1 cost ratio, someone can lob 100 Qassam rockets towards a >> single target for the price of one Tamir missle. Even if the Tamir >> could somehow take out 99 of the Qassam's (it can't) that still >> leaves one that will explode somewhere the defender really does not >> want explosions happening. >> >> If two Tamir's are used against the swarm, then the swarm could be >> 200 large before it again cost the same as the two missles. And two >> missles won't take out all 200 incoming, so still, one or more >> explosions somewhere you'd rather not have any explosions. > > Isn't this where AI steps in and says > "A strange game, the only winning move is not to play"? > > FX: hollow-laughter Or, as in the classic Star Trek series plot from the late 60's, the AI "fights a simulated war and determines who won" and the losing side submits the AI's determined number of human casulties to be "evaporated".
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2026-07-21 21:25 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <hNudnXyk-Yv2gf33nZ2dnZfqn_adnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #88946 |
On 7/21/26 03:39, Andy Burns wrote: > Rich wrote: > >> at a 100:1 cost ratio, someone can lob 100 Qassam rockets >> towards a single target for the price of one Tamir missle. Even if the >> Tamir could somehow take out 99 of the Qassam's (it can't) that still >> leaves one that will explode somewhere the defender really does not >> want explosions happening. >> >> If two Tamir's are used against the swarm, then the swarm could be 200 >> large before it again cost the same as the two missles. And two >> missles won't take out all 200 incoming, so still, one or more >> explosions somewhere you'd rather not have any explosions. > > Isn't this where AI steps in and says > "A strange game, the only winning move is not to play"? > > FX: hollow-laughter The trouble is that "They" never stop playing, so WE can't either. The conqueror mindset seems to be built into the species. Movies aren't Real Life, Real People. Movies can be 'idealistic', All You Need Is Love, but ... SO ... the USA/west needs something at least as good, and CHEAP, as "Irondome". This IS the paradigm for 21st century conflicts - send a swarm of hornets instead of a battleship or masses of soldiers. Those who can pack the most bang into a Pi-5 level processor WINS.
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-07-22 04:04 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <ncatr0F7pt3U16@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #88964 |
On Tue, 21 Jul 2026 21:25:45 -0400, c186282 wrote: > SO ... the USA/west needs something at least as good, and CHEAP, as > "Irondome". This IS the paradigm for 21st century conflicts - send a > swarm of hornets instead of a battleship or masses of soldiers. Tamir rockets aren't cheap. However the US has provided about $2.6 billion to the program. I assume much of that trickled back to Raytheon. The US will have the Golden Dome sometime around the 12th of Never. Being Trump, it has to be Golden of course. I think someplace buried in the Pentagon Reagan's Star Wars scheme is alive and well on a ventilator. CHEAP ain't happening. You need to do a reality check about Iron Dome. Israel is larger than Connecticut and smaller than New Jersey. That doesn't scale well to the US or even Europe. It might work for Slovenia. That bit of reality amazes me. If the Arabs ever got their act together they should be able to roll up the country like a rug. Of course there is Big Brother and the supposed atomic bombs.
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| From | Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> |
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| Date | 2026-07-22 04:17 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrn1160h2u.8cb.spamtrap42@one.localnet> |
| In reply to | #88969 |
On 2026-07-22, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote: > > You need to do a reality check about Iron Dome. Israel is larger than > Connecticut and smaller than New Jersey. That doesn't scale well to the US > or even Europe. It might work for Slovenia. > > That bit of reality amazes me. If the Arabs ever got their act together > they should be able to roll up the country like a rug. Of course there is > Big Brother and the supposed atomic bombs. Some decades ago, Paul Harvey had an interesting take on Israel's need for nuclear deterrent. He figured Israel needed only two nukes to guarantee their enemies would never push far enough to require use of the nukes. One would be aimed at the Aswan High Dam in Egypt, which would destroy basically all of Egypt--and/or make pretty much all of Egypt uninhabitable for centuries. The other would be aimed at Mecca. -- Robert Riches spamtrap42@jacob21819.net (Yes, that is one of my email addresses.)
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2026-07-22 23:09 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <H8ydnYticMmSG_z3nZ2dnZfqnPWdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #88970 |
On 7/22/26 00:17, Robert Riches wrote: > On 2026-07-22, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote: >> >> You need to do a reality check about Iron Dome. Israel is larger than >> Connecticut and smaller than New Jersey. That doesn't scale well to the US >> or even Europe. It might work for Slovenia. >> >> That bit of reality amazes me. If the Arabs ever got their act together >> they should be able to roll up the country like a rug. Of course there is >> Big Brother and the supposed atomic bombs. > > Some decades ago, Paul Harvey had an interesting take on Israel's > need for nuclear deterrent. He figured Israel needed only two > nukes to guarantee their enemies would never push far enough to > require use of the nukes. One would be aimed at the Aswan High > Dam in Egypt, which would destroy basically all of Egypt--and/or > make pretty much all of Egypt uninhabitable for centuries. The > other would be aimed at Mecca. Egypt is not a major enemy of Israel - hasn't been for a LONG time. Mecca ... symbolic, but ........ Israel apparently has 50-100 nuclear weapons at this point. Mostly "small", but still very deadly. IF an Iranian nuke goes off anywhere near Israel then Iran is just literal TOAST.
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-07-23 04:45 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <ncdkisFuaclU11@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #88999 |
On Wed, 22 Jul 2026 23:09:07 -0400, c186282 wrote: > IF an Iranian nuke goes off anywhere near Israel then Iran is just > literal TOAST. Again scale comes into play. Iran is 636,372 sq mi. Israel isn't even a hundredth of that. Which would be easier to turn into a parking lot? Iran has 20 cities over 400,000 population; Israel has 2. If anyone is thinking about boots on the ground Iran is one of the most mountainous countries in the world. As the US found out in Afghanistan when you play with the locals on their own turf they will hand you your ass. Best hang around the green zone in Kabul and come up with a good story for the US people about what you're doing for 20 years before handing the country back to the Taliban.
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2026-07-23 23:31 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <VbicndAwutNnQf_3nZ2dnZfqn_qdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #89002 |
On 7/23/26 00:45, rbowman wrote: > On Wed, 22 Jul 2026 23:09:07 -0400, c186282 wrote: > >> IF an Iranian nuke goes off anywhere near Israel then Iran is just >> literal TOAST. > > Again scale comes into play. Iran is 636,372 sq mi. Iran is LARGE - but most of the pop/money/power is concentrated in like a dozen cities. Yea, Israel COULD nuke 'em mostly out of existence. The Rule - if attacked with nukes you DO have the total right to RESPOND with nukes. MAD. We MAY be getting there - soon. The Ukraine war is 'civilized' by comparison. Nobody is shooting nukes around. Note Ukraine DID mention that while it gave back all the USSR nukes it STILL has a fair stockpile of plutonium. Russia KNOWS this. Keeps everything at the 'conventional' level. But Iran is run by FANATICS. Israel also has its share of fanatics. NOT great. I've long thought the nukewar would be between India and Pakistan. Maybe wrong ...
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-07-24 11:01 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <113vd6e$is3h$5@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #89026 |
On 24/07/2026 04:31, c186282 wrote: > But Iran is run by FANATICS. > So it seems is the USA, and Russia. > Israel also has its share of fanatics. > > NOT great. *shrug*. -- Any fool can believe in principles - and most of them do!
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2026-07-24 22:05 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <_YycnbqsAfFlhPn3nZ2dnZfqn_idnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #89030 |
On 7/24/26 06:01, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > On 24/07/2026 04:31, c186282 wrote: >> But Iran is run by FANATICS. >> > So it seems is the USA, and Russia. Ummm ... no. The "Death To <fill-in-blank> !!!" people are the ones to worry about. They are growing more and more capable. Putin is a hard-ass, but not a fanatic. Trump is not a fanatic. Kinda hard-ass, but more a 'calculator' than a fanatic. Xi is not a fanatic either, 'calculating', but not a fanatic. Iran, NK, ISIS, neo-Marxists ... fanatics. >> Israel also has its share of fanatics. >> >> NOT great. > > *shrug*. The "ultra-orthodox" in Israel are a serious political power, and fanatics - and Bebe HAS to suck up to them sometimes. Any new PM will also have to suck up to them. Don't pretend Bebe is The Problem. The UO are bad as Hamas, just wear a different symbol. Not so good. All very VERY "old school". "Defeat your enemy, see them driven before you and hear the lamentations of the women" ... But then, what's new ? From old clay tablets on the world has ALWAYS been like this. But for 99.9% of that time we didn't have big nuclear weapons.
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-07-25 13:44 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <1142b45$1g3r9$3@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #89034 |
On 25/07/2026 03:05, c186282 wrote: > On 7/24/26 06:01, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >> On 24/07/2026 04:31, c186282 wrote: >>> But Iran is run by FANATICS. >>> >> So it seems is the USA, and Russia. > > > Ummm ... no. > > The "Death To <fill-in-blank> !!!" people > are the ones to worry about. They are growing > more and more capable. > > Putin is a hard-ass, but not a fanatic. > You think? > Trump is not a fanatic. Kinda hard-ass, but > more a 'calculator' than a fanatic. > Big ass hole, yes. He isn't hard. > Xi is not a fanatic either, 'calculating', > but not a fanatic. > Perhaps neither is the current ayatollah. > > But for 99.9% of that time we didn't have big > nuclear weapons. > Still worried about nukes? Bless! -- New Socialism consists essentially in being seen to have your heart in the right place whilst your head is in the clouds and your hand is in someone else's pocket.
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2026-07-25 22:23 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <8i2dnag3UJ4k8vj3nZ2dnZfqnPidnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #89039 |
On 7/25/26 08:44, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > On 25/07/2026 03:05, c186282 wrote: >> On 7/24/26 06:01, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >>> On 24/07/2026 04:31, c186282 wrote: >>>> But Iran is run by FANATICS. >>>> >>> So it seems is the USA, and Russia. >> >> >> Ummm ... no. >> >> The "Death To <fill-in-blank> !!!" people >> are the ones to worry about. They are growing >> more and more capable. >> >> Putin is a hard-ass, but not a fanatic. >> > You think? Yep. Putin is a "chess player". I'm more worried about who might replace him. Could be brutal idiots instead. >> Trump is not a fanatic. Kinda hard-ass, but >> more a 'calculator' than a fanatic. >> > Big ass hole, yes. He isn't hard. Um ... I'd differ there. >> Xi is not a fanatic either, 'calculating', >> but not a fanatic. >> > Perhaps neither is the current ayatollah. The previous, and Junior, ARE fanatics. >> >> But for 99.9% of that time we didn't have big >> nuclear weapons. >> > Still worried about nukes? > > Bless! The more idiots HAVE them the more likely one or more will USE them. Nukes are 1940s tech. Any even kind-of industrial country can make them. Even shitty little NK made fission, then fusion, bombs in short order once it was decided. Want a 150kt one over YOUR town ? My guess is that Japan has a small inventory, because of China and NK and the longstanding WW-2 grudges. The USA has a LOT of them - mostly 50-100kt these days. Russia apparently still has a fair inventory of really BIG ones (maybe even a few frames for Czar Bombas - 100MT fully loaded). We might need the Russian ones in case of a big meteor. But the PROBLEM is the smaller countries. Some just think of nukes as the 'next-bigger bombs' and have LONG-running blood feuds with neighbors. Those countries are more likely to be run by fanatics too. Meteors - 'Apophis' will be passing VERY near soon - and maybe fatally close NEXT time around. Put a big nuke on its ass right after it goes past THIS time - shift the trajectory. DO it. A Falcon Heavy could deliver several megatons right onto the thing, give it a little kick off into the void. Earlier IS better.
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