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Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s

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  Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-18 19:38 -0400
    Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-19 01:29 +0000
      Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-18 22:09 -0400
      Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2026-07-20 08:55 +1000
        Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-20 00:52 -0400
          Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-20 14:13 +0200
            Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-20 14:20 +0100
            Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2026-07-20 17:49 +0200
              Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-07-20 16:12 +0000
                Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-20 18:30 +0000
                  Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-20 19:36 +0100
                    Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-21 01:31 +0000
                      Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2026-07-21 22:32 +0200
                  Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-07-20 19:29 +0000
                    Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-21 01:47 +0000
                      Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-07-21 04:05 +0000
                        Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-21 00:16 -0400
                          Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-21 07:27 +0000
                            Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-21 21:18 -0400
                              Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-22 03:16 +0000
                                Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-21 23:33 -0400
                                  Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-22 07:22 +0000
                                    Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-22 12:52 +0100
                                      Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-22 17:56 +0000
                                        Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-23 11:06 +0100
                                          Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-23 19:00 +0000
                                Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-22 12:51 +0100
                                  Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-22 18:31 +0000
                                    Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-23 11:07 +0100
                                      Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-23 19:49 +0000
                  Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2026-07-20 21:39 +0200
                    Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-07-20 20:26 +0000
                      Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-20 21:54 +0100
                        Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-07-21 04:10 +0000
                    Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-20 21:53 +0100
                      Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-21 02:06 +0000
                        Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-21 10:33 +0100
                      Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-07-21 04:13 +0000
                        Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-21 10:36 +0100
                          Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-21 18:29 +0000
                            Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-21 20:45 +0100
                              Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2026-07-21 22:48 +0200
                                Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-21 23:32 +0000
                                  Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-07-22 00:02 +0000
                                  Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-22 12:50 +0100
                                    Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-07-22 14:35 +0000
                                      Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2026-07-22 17:04 +0200
                                        Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-22 18:35 +0000
                                          Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-22 23:41 -0400
                                            Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-23 04:14 +0000
                                              Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-23 23:22 -0400
                                            Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s Mike Scott <usenet.16@scottsonline.org.uk.invalid> - 2026-07-23 08:26 +0100
                                          Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-23 11:00 +0100
                                        Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-22 22:54 +0000
                                        Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-23 10:57 +0100
                                          Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-23 19:44 +0000
                                            Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-23 20:57 +0100
                                            Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-07-23 22:04 +0000
                                Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2026-07-25 17:08 +0200
                              Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-21 23:29 +0000
                                Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-22 12:49 +0100
                            Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-21 23:34 -0400
                              Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-22 12:57 +0100
                                Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2026-07-22 16:22 +0200
                                  Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-22 17:59 +0000
                                  Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-22 22:51 +0000
                                  Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-23 10:51 +0100
                                    Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2026-07-23 18:43 +0200
                                      Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-23 19:33 +0000
                                        Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-07-23 22:04 +0000
                                          Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-24 01:32 +0000
                                            Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-24 13:59 +0200
                                              Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-24 22:09 -0400
                                                Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-25 05:02 +0000
                                                Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-25 12:48 +0200
                                      Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-23 20:37 +0100
                                        Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2026-07-25 15:55 +0200
                                          Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-25 14:58 +0100
                                            Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2026-07-25 16:53 +0200
                                              Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-25 15:59 +0100
                        Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-21 11:40 +0200
                          Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-21 18:07 +0000
                          Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-22 01:19 +0000
                            Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-21 21:32 -0400
                            Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-22 08:31 +0100
                            Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-22 13:42 +0200
                              Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-07-22 14:35 +0000
                                Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-22 22:49 +0000
                              Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-22 18:29 +0000
                              Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-22 22:46 +0000
                        Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s Andreas Eder <a_eder_muc@web.de> - 2026-07-22 10:21 +0200
                          Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-22 13:39 +0200
                          Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-22 17:54 +0000
                      Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2026-07-21 22:30 +0200
        Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-20 12:24 +0100
          Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-20 18:01 +0000
            Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-07-20 20:21 +0000
              Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-21 01:21 +0000
                Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-07-21 04:22 +0000
                  Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-21 07:22 +0000
                  Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-07-21 08:39 +0100
                    Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-07-21 12:53 +0000
                    Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-21 21:25 -0400
                      Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-22 04:04 +0000
                        Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2026-07-22 04:17 +0000
                          Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-22 23:09 -0400
                            Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-23 04:45 +0000
                              Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-23 23:31 -0400
                                Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-24 11:01 +0100
                                  Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-24 22:05 -0400
                                    Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-25 13:44 +0100
                            Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-23 11:10 +0100
                              Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-23 19:15 +0000
                            Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2026-07-23 18:49 +0200
                        Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2026-07-22 16:27 +0200
                          Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-22 17:44 +0000
                        Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-22 23:05 -0400
                          Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-23 11:09 +0100
                          Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-07-23 22:04 +0000
                            Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-24 01:44 +0000
                              Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-23 23:39 -0400
                                Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-24 07:15 +0000
                                  Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-24 21:32 -0400
                                Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-24 11:00 +0100
                                  Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-24 21:43 -0400
                                    Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-25 13:42 +0100
                                      Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-25 16:39 +0000
                                        Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-25 17:50 +0100
                    Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2026-07-22 16:24 +0200
          Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-21 00:10 -0400
            Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-21 10:34 +0100
            Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-07-21 12:55 +0000
    Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-19 03:58 +0100
      Re: Interesting - Ukraine Missiles Use Open Source, Russians Use Pi-4s rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-19 04:32 +0000

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#88967

Fromc186282 <c186282@nnada.net>
Date2026-07-21 23:33 -0400
Message-ID<jP2dne6ytY-jp_33nZ2dnZfqn_adnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#88966
On 7/21/26 23:16, rbowman wrote:
> On Tue, 21 Jul 2026 21:18:56 -0400, c186282 wrote:
> 
>>     Zel really stepped-up from being a TV comic.
>>     He will get his big bronze statue.
> 
> That would be ironic. A life size statue would be about 5' 5".

   Expect at least double-sized  :-)

   Maybe riding a horse.

   Anyway, all in all, I'd say he DESERVES it.
   Elected almost as a joke - yet rose to the
   occasion when the attack began. VERY good
   diplomat too.

   Under pressure, some people can become MUCH
   more that what they were.

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#88971

Fromrbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Date2026-07-22 07:22 +0000
Message-ID<ncb9ecF7pt3U17@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#88967
On Tue, 21 Jul 2026 23:33:00 -0400, c186282 wrote:

>    Anyway, all in all, I'd say he DESERVES it.
>    Elected almost as a joke - yet rose to the occasion when the attack
>    began. VERY good diplomat too.

I have a different idea of what he deserves. 

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#88979

FromThe Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Date2026-07-22 12:52 +0100
Message-ID<113qaud$2s428$5@dont-email.me>
In reply to#88971
On 22/07/2026 08:22, rbowman wrote:
> On Tue, 21 Jul 2026 23:33:00 -0400, c186282 wrote:
> 
>>     Anyway, all in all, I'd say he DESERVES it.
>>     Elected almost as a joke - yet rose to the occasion when the attack
>>     began. VERY good diplomat too.
> 
> I have a different idea of what he deserves.

Well indeed, your propensity for absorbing Russian propaganda is well 
noted...

-- 
There is nothing a fleet of dispatchable nuclear power plants cannot do 
that cannot be done worse and more expensively and with higher carbon 
emissions and more adverse environmental impact by adding intermittent 
renewable energy.

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#88989

Fromrbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Date2026-07-22 17:56 +0000
Message-ID<nccej3FuaclU3@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#88979
On Wed, 22 Jul 2026 12:52:45 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> On 22/07/2026 08:22, rbowman wrote:
>> On Tue, 21 Jul 2026 23:33:00 -0400, c186282 wrote:
>> 
>>>     Anyway, all in all, I'd say he DESERVES it.
>>>     Elected almost as a joke - yet rose to the occasion when the
>>>     attack began. VERY good diplomat too.
>> 
>> I have a different idea of what he deserves.
> 
> Well indeed, your propensity for absorbing Russian propaganda is well
> noted...

Your love of the British Cold War mindset is noted. Of course if that 
cigar smoking drunk wasn't such good buddies with Uncle Joe there probably 
wouldn't be Russian propaganda.

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#89007

FromThe Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Date2026-07-23 11:06 +0100
Message-ID<113sp2o$3nbo7$7@dont-email.me>
In reply to#88989
On 22/07/2026 18:56, rbowman wrote:
> On Wed, 22 Jul 2026 12:52:45 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> 
>> On 22/07/2026 08:22, rbowman wrote:
>>> On Tue, 21 Jul 2026 23:33:00 -0400, c186282 wrote:
>>>
>>>>      Anyway, all in all, I'd say he DESERVES it.
>>>>      Elected almost as a joke - yet rose to the occasion when the
>>>>      attack began. VERY good diplomat too.
>>>
>>> I have a different idea of what he deserves.
>>
>> Well indeed, your propensity for absorbing Russian propaganda is well
>> noted...
> 
> Your love of the British Cold War mindset is noted. Of course if that
> cigar smoking drunk wasn't such good buddies with Uncle Joe there probably
> wouldn't be Russian propaganda.
> 
Churchill warned the USA of what Russia would do if left unchecked, It 
was in fact your inbred philandering president who cosied up to Uncle 
Joe to get help with Japan and pissed all over Churchill.

Yalta didn't last a decade.

-- 
"Women actually are capable of being far more than the feminists will 
let them."


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#89013

Fromrbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Date2026-07-23 19:00 +0000
Message-ID<ncf6n5Fd4siU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#89007
On Thu, 23 Jul 2026 11:06:16 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> Churchill warned the USA of what Russia would do if left unchecked, It
> was in fact your inbred philandering president who cosied up to Uncle
> Joe to get help with Japan and pissed all over Churchill.

I'll agree Roosevelt and his horse-faced wife were a disaster. When Mila 
Pavlichenko was sent to the US to try to shake loose aid she became 
Eleanor's BFF in short order. Considering who wore the pants in the family 
FDR complied.

Whatever the USSR did in regard to Japan was too little and very late. 

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#88978

FromThe Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Date2026-07-22 12:51 +0100
Message-ID<113qasb$2s428$4@dont-email.me>
In reply to#88966
On 22/07/2026 04:16, rbowman wrote:
> On Tue, 21 Jul 2026 21:18:56 -0400, c186282 wrote:
> 
>>     Zel really stepped-up from being a TV comic.
>>     He will get his big bronze statue.
> 
> That would be ironic. A life size statue would be about 5' 5".

so what?

-- 
There is nothing a fleet of dispatchable nuclear power plants cannot do 
that cannot be done worse and more expensively and with higher carbon 
emissions and more adverse environmental impact by adding intermittent 
renewable energy.

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#88992

Fromrbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Date2026-07-22 18:31 +0000
Message-ID<nccgklFuaclU6@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#88978
On Wed, 22 Jul 2026 12:51:39 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> On 22/07/2026 04:16, rbowman wrote:
>> On Tue, 21 Jul 2026 21:18:56 -0400, c186282 wrote:
>> 
>>>     Zel really stepped-up from being a TV comic.
>>>     He will get his big bronze statue.
>> 
>> That would be ironic. A life size statue would be about 5' 5".
> 
> so what?

In my past life of bar crawling I found it was always the little pricks 
that caused trouble. 

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#89008

FromThe Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Date2026-07-23 11:07 +0100
Message-ID<113sp4i$3nbo7$8@dont-email.me>
In reply to#88992
On 22/07/2026 19:31, rbowman wrote:
> On Wed, 22 Jul 2026 12:51:39 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> 
>> On 22/07/2026 04:16, rbowman wrote:
>>> On Tue, 21 Jul 2026 21:18:56 -0400, c186282 wrote:
>>>
>>>>      Zel really stepped-up from being a TV comic.
>>>>      He will get his big bronze statue.
>>>
>>> That would be ironic. A life size statue would be about 5' 5".
>>
>> so what?
> 
> In my past life of bar crawling I found it was always the little pricks
> that caused trouble.

I suspect that was in fact you, calling them little pricks...

-- 
Ideas are more powerful than guns. We would not let our enemies have 
guns, why should we let them have ideas?

Josef Stalin

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#89018

Fromrbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Date2026-07-23 19:49 +0000
Message-ID<ncf9hkFd4siU5@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#89008
On Thu, 23 Jul 2026 11:07:14 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> On 22/07/2026 19:31, rbowman wrote:
>> On Wed, 22 Jul 2026 12:51:39 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>> 
>>> On 22/07/2026 04:16, rbowman wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 21 Jul 2026 21:18:56 -0400, c186282 wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>      Zel really stepped-up from being a TV comic.
>>>>>      He will get his big bronze statue.
>>>>
>>>> That would be ironic. A life size statue would be about 5' 5".
>>>
>>> so what?
>> 
>> In my past life of bar crawling I found it was always the little pricks
>> that caused trouble.
> 
> I suspect that was in fact you, calling them little pricks...

Nope, I was quietly drinking my beer. One exception was in basic. A DI 
referred to a recruit as 'Shorty'. In the context and the way he said it I 
thought it was a nickname. Shorty got rather hot when I used it.

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#88929

From"s|b" <me@privacy.invalid>
Date2026-07-20 21:39 +0200
Message-ID<nc7bqlF5c1rU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#88925
On 20 Jul 2026 18:30:21 GMT, rbowman wrote:

> Aircraft carriers are 20th century technology. They lose their appeal if 
> you have to park them 1000 miles away. I don't know if the Iranians have 
> the capability but China and Russia certainly do. 

Ukraine has drones that can fly over 3.000 km, so if Iran has those,
then those carriers will have to park them even further.

-- 
s|b

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#88931

FromRich <rich@example.invalid>
Date2026-07-20 20:26 +0000
Message-ID<113m095$1fdi4$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#88929
s|b <me@privacy.invalid> wrote:
> On 20 Jul 2026 18:30:21 GMT, rbowman wrote:
> 
>> Aircraft carriers are 20th century technology. They lose their appeal if 
>> you have to park them 1000 miles away. I don't know if the Iranians have 
>> the capability but China and Russia certainly do. 
> 
> Ukraine has drones that can fly over 3.000 km, so if Iran has those,
> then those carriers will have to park them even further.

An aircraft carrier that has to park over 3000km away from the 
engagement zone is all but useless.  So yes, if Iran aquires 3000km 
range drones, the US Navy air squads will basically have to retreat and 
remain away.

That would seriously hurt the orange turds ability to continue to push 
his vanity war.
 

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#88933

FromThe Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Date2026-07-20 21:54 +0100
Message-ID<113m1u2$1g23p$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#88931
On 20/07/2026 21:26, Rich wrote:
> That would seriously hurt the orange turds ability to continue to push
> his vanity war.
>   
I think its all about money really.
US military is for hire to the highest bidder..

-- 
"I am inclined to tell the truth and dislike people who lie consistently.
This makes me unfit for the company of people of a Left persuasion, and 
all women"

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#88940

FromRich <rich@example.invalid>
Date2026-07-21 04:10 +0000
Message-ID<113mrgf$1mo7o$3@dont-email.me>
In reply to#88933
The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> On 20/07/2026 21:26, Rich wrote:
>> That would seriously hurt the orange turds ability to continue to push
>> his vanity war.
>>   
> I think its all about money really.
> US military is for hire to the highest bidder..

Very true, nearly everything orange turd has done this term has a clear 
"follow the money" back to someone he's rewarding with government 
dollars.

But a second big aspect is that in his own mind, "orange turd can't 
lose -- he 'wins' everywhere, every time".  So he can't back away or 
decide to give up and let the Iranians be, because that would go 
against his own vanity of "orange turd always wins".

That's why this war has been "won" about 97 times over the last 142 
days of the war.  He has to believe he's "winning" or has "won".

So while enriching the war machine *is* at our expense is a reason, a 
*prime* reason is orange turd's vanity.

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#88932

FromThe Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Date2026-07-20 21:53 +0100
Message-ID<113m1rg$1g23p$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#88929
On 20/07/2026 20:39, s|b wrote:
> On 20 Jul 2026 18:30:21 GMT, rbowman wrote:
> 
>> Aircraft carriers are 20th century technology. They lose their appeal if
>> you have to park them 1000 miles away. I don't know if the Iranians have
>> the capability but China and Russia certainly do.
> 
> Ukraine has drones that can fly over 3.000 km, so if Iran has those,
> then those carriers will have to park them even further.
> 
We can be thankful that Islam does not mesh well with Science.

-- 
"I am inclined to tell the truth and dislike people who lie consistently.
This makes me unfit for the company of people of a Left persuasion, and 
all women"

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#88937

Fromrbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Date2026-07-21 02:06 +0000
Message-ID<nc82hfF7pt3U5@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#88932
On Mon, 20 Jul 2026 21:53:04 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> On 20/07/2026 20:39, s|b wrote:
>> On 20 Jul 2026 18:30:21 GMT, rbowman wrote:
>> 
>>> Aircraft carriers are 20th century technology. They lose their appeal
>>> if you have to park them 1000 miles away. I don't know if the Iranians
>>> have the capability but China and Russia certainly do.
>> 
>> Ukraine has drones that can fly over 3.000 km, so if Iran has those,
>> then those carriers will have to park them even further.
>> 
> We can be thankful that Islam does not mesh well with Science.

I'm not so sure about that. Arabs don't seem to be able to understand 
anything more complex than a camel but Persians aren't Arabs. The rock 
stars of the 'Golden age of Islam' were mostly Persian. 

Quite a few Christians don't mesh well with Science, including the 
Christian Scientists. They've had their moments but Catholics seem to do a 
better job than the Evangelicals. 

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#88947

FromThe Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Date2026-07-21 10:33 +0100
Message-ID<113neck$1rvch$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#88937
On 21/07/2026 03:06, rbowman wrote:
> On Mon, 20 Jul 2026 21:53:04 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> 
>> On 20/07/2026 20:39, s|b wrote:
>>> On 20 Jul 2026 18:30:21 GMT, rbowman wrote:
>>>
>>>> Aircraft carriers are 20th century technology. They lose their appeal
>>>> if you have to park them 1000 miles away. I don't know if the Iranians
>>>> have the capability but China and Russia certainly do.
>>>
>>> Ukraine has drones that can fly over 3.000 km, so if Iran has those,
>>> then those carriers will have to park them even further.
>>>
>> We can be thankful that Islam does not mesh well with Science.
> 
> I'm not so sure about that. Arabs don't seem to be able to understand
> anything more complex than a camel but Persians aren't Arabs. The rock
> stars of the 'Golden age of Islam' were mostly Persian.
> 
They are excellent mathematicians and doctors. But not really engineers

And the best already left for the West.

> Quite a few Christians don't mesh well with Science, including the
> Christian Scientists. They've had their moments but Catholics seem to do a
> better job than the Evangelicals.

Yes. It was tough integrating Rationalism and Faith.

-- 
"When one man dies it's a tragedy. When thousands die it's statistics."

Josef Stalin

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#88941

FromRich <rich@example.invalid>
Date2026-07-21 04:13 +0000
Message-ID<113mrla$1mo7o$4@dont-email.me>
In reply to#88932
The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> On 20/07/2026 20:39, s|b wrote:
>> On 20 Jul 2026 18:30:21 GMT, rbowman wrote:
>> 
>>> Aircraft carriers are 20th century technology. They lose their appeal if
>>> you have to park them 1000 miles away. I don't know if the Iranians have
>>> the capability but China and Russia certainly do.
>> 
>> Ukraine has drones that can fly over 3.000 km, so if Iran has those,
>> then those carriers will have to park them even further.
>> 
> We can be thankful that Islam does not mesh well with Science.

Which is odd, given that a great number of centuries ago, the Islamic 
world of that age was inventing scientific breakthrough after 
scientific breakthrough.

Modern Islam (at least the current 'strict' reading by the extremists) 
is what does not mesh well with science.  Islam of yore did mesh well.  
Something changed in the centries from then to now.

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#88949

FromThe Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Date2026-07-21 10:36 +0100
Message-ID<113nej2$1rvch$4@dont-email.me>
In reply to#88941
On 21/07/2026 05:13, Rich wrote:
> The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>> On 20/07/2026 20:39, s|b wrote:
>>> On 20 Jul 2026 18:30:21 GMT, rbowman wrote:
>>>
>>>> Aircraft carriers are 20th century technology. They lose their appeal if
>>>> you have to park them 1000 miles away. I don't know if the Iranians have
>>>> the capability but China and Russia certainly do.
>>>
>>> Ukraine has drones that can fly over 3.000 km, so if Iran has those,
>>> then those carriers will have to park them even further.
>>>
>> We can be thankful that Islam does not mesh well with Science.
> 
> Which is odd, given that a great number of centuries ago, the Islamic
> world of that age was inventing scientific breakthrough after
> scientific breakthrough.
> 
That was the Persians who also drank and liked music.
The later version of Islam was more fundamental


> Modern Islam (at least the current 'strict' reading by the extremists)
> is what does not mesh well with science.  Islam of yore did mesh well.
> Something changed in the centries from then to now.

Islam gained complete control of the nations rather than just being a 
religion.

-- 
"If you don’t read the news paper, you are un-informed. If you read the 
news paper, you are mis-informed."

Mark Twain

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#88954

Fromrbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Date2026-07-21 18:29 +0000
Message-ID<nc9s4rF7pt3U11@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#88949
On Tue, 21 Jul 2026 10:36:34 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> Islam gained complete control of the nations rather than just being a
> religion.

That's logical if the inhabitants of the nation really believe the 
religion. Israel probably would be a theocracy if the majority of the Jews 
weren't secular and others pay lip service like many Christians. The catch 
there is claiming the god you don't really believe in gifted you real 
estate.

My ex is Christian and has harsh words for Charles abdicating his role as 
defender of the faith. Defender of all faiths isn't quite the same.

I wouldn't want to live in a nation governed by any sort of JCI law 
although I sometimes wonder if the Christian Zionists are running the show 
here. One down, and a lot to go.

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