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Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT !

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First post2026-06-12 01:49 -0400
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  Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-12 01:49 -0400
    Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de> - 2026-06-12 07:54 +0200
      Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-12 02:12 -0400
        Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de> - 2026-06-12 09:03 +0200
          Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-12 03:25 -0400
    Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-12 06:22 +0000
      Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-12 03:14 -0400
        Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-12 11:45 +0200
          Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-12 23:21 -0400
            Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-13 04:20 +0000
            Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-14 14:27 +0200
              Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-14 22:51 -0400
                Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-15 03:15 +0000
                  Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-15 01:46 -0400
                    Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-15 07:16 +0000
                  Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-06-15 17:02 +0000
                    Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-15 19:05 +0000
                      Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-15 20:41 +0100
                        Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-15 22:21 +0000
                          Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-16 02:00 +0100
                            Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-16 02:55 +0000
                              Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-16 11:54 +0100
                                Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-16 18:00 +0000
                                  Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-17 10:55 +0100
                                Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-16 22:07 -0400
                                  Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-17 03:51 +0000
                        Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-16 12:34 +0200
                          Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-16 11:55 +0100
                            Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-16 15:14 +0200
                              Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-16 15:10 +0100
                                Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-16 18:15 +0000
                                Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-16 20:22 +0200
                                  Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-17 10:58 +0100
                                    Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-17 16:47 +0000
                                Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-16 22:11 -0400
                                  Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-17 03:29 +0000
                              Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-16 22:09 -0400
                                Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-17 03:19 +0000
                          Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-16 18:09 +0000
                            Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-16 23:23 -0400
                              Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-17 07:20 +0000
                                Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-18 04:26 -0400
                                  Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-18 10:32 +0200
                                    Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-18 09:44 +0100
                                      Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-18 13:55 +0200
                                        Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-18 17:02 +0100
                                          Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-18 18:37 +0200
                                            Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-18 19:14 +0100
                                              Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-18 20:50 +0200
                                                Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-18 23:36 +0000
                                                  Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-19 11:58 +0200
                                                    Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-19 17:18 +0000
                                            Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-18 19:45 +0000
                                              Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-19 00:22 +0200
                                          Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-19 02:27 -0400
                                    Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-06-18 18:26 +0000
                                      Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-18 23:34 +0000
                                        Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-06-19 00:01 +0000
                                      Communism ???? Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2026-06-18 21:46 -0700
                                        Re: Communism ???? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-19 05:59 +0000
                                          Re: Communism ???? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-19 02:51 -0400
                                        Re: Communism ???? "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-19 11:51 +0200
                                          Re: Communism ???? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-19 23:50 -0400
                                            Re: Communism ???? "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-20 08:54 +0200
                                              Re: Communism ???? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-20 03:25 -0400
                                        Re: Communism ???? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-19 13:25 +0100
                                          Re: Communism ???? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-06-19 16:41 +0000
                                            Re: Communism ???? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-19 18:22 +0000
                                          Re: Communism ???? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-20 01:48 -0400
                                        Re: Communism ???? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-20 01:08 -0400
                                      Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-19 12:56 +0100
                                        Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-06-19 16:41 +0000
                                        Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-19 17:43 +0000
                                          Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-06-19 18:33 +0000
                                            Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-20 02:04 -0400
                                    Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-18 19:41 +0000
                                      Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-19 13:21 +0100
                                  Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-18 19:39 +0000
                              Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-06-17 19:35 +0000
                                Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-18 04:50 -0400
                                  Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-18 10:25 +0100
                                    Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-06-18 18:26 +0000
                                      Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-19 13:00 +0100
                                        Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-19 17:46 +0000
                                        Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-20 01:13 -0400
                                    Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-18 19:33 +0000
                                      Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-19 13:18 +0100
                                        The Walmart Effect (Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT !) Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2026-06-19 06:12 -0700
                                        Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-20 01:44 -0400
                                    Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-19 02:26 -0400
                                      Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-19 13:26 +0100
                          Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-16 21:47 -0400
                            Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-17 03:13 +0000
                            Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-17 10:58 +0100
                            Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-06-17 19:35 +0000
                              Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-18 01:15 +0000
                                Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-18 04:42 -0400
                              Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-18 04:49 -0400
                                Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-06-18 18:26 +0000
                                  Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-18 23:51 +0000
                                    Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-19 13:12 +0100
                                      Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-19 17:15 +0000
                                        Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-20 00:10 +0100
                                          Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-20 01:44 +0000
                                      Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-20 01:42 -0400
        Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-12 19:32 +0000
      Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-12 11:38 +0200
    Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-12 06:27 +0000
      Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-12 03:22 -0400
        Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! 🇵🇱Jacek Marcin Jaworski🇵🇱 <jmj@energokod.gda.pl> - 2026-06-12 09:53 +0200
          Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-12 19:34 +0000
    Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-12 11:54 +0200
      Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-12 23:37 -0400
        Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-13 06:42 +0000
          Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-13 04:18 -0400
            Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-13 20:21 +0000
              Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-13 23:09 -0400
                Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-14 06:22 +0000
                  Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-14 03:57 -0400
                    Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-14 18:38 +0000
                      Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-15 01:27 -0400
                        Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-15 07:11 +0000
                Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! mechanicjay@sol.smbfc.net (Mechanicjay) - 2026-06-14 07:01 +0000
                  Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-14 04:14 -0400
                  Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam2616@zugschl.us> - 2026-06-14 10:56 +0200
                  Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-14 18:40 +0000
                    Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-15 01:27 -0400
    Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! mechanicjay@sol.smbfc.net (Mechanicjay) - 2026-06-12 13:26 +0000
      Re: Leap-16 ... Osh Hit! Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-08 07:55 +0000
        Re: Leap-16 ... Osh Hit! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-08 17:36 +0000
    Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! Woozy Song <suzyw0ng@outlook.com> - 2026-06-17 15:43 +0800
      Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-18 04:28 -0400
    Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! bonkmaykr <bonkymaykr@canithesis.org> - 2026-07-04 00:40 -0500
      Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-04 05:46 +0000
        Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam2616@zugschl.us> - 2026-07-04 10:59 +0200
          Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-04 23:43 +0000
            Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-05 01:59 -0400
              Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-05 13:32 +0200
                Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-05 19:07 +0000
                  Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-06 01:34 -0400
                    Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-06 07:29 +0000
                    Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-06 13:24 +0200
                      Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-06 12:44 +0100
                        Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-06 12:31 -0400
                      Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-06 19:12 +0000
                        Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-06 21:59 +0200
                          Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-07 01:18 +0000
                  Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-07-06 17:50 +0000
                    Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-06 19:10 +0000
                      Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-07 08:55 +0100
                        Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-07 11:02 +0200
                          Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam2616@zugschl.us> - 2026-07-07 14:31 +0200
                            Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-07 13:36 +0100
                              Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-08 11:45 +0200
                            Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-08 00:53 +0000
                              Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-08 11:46 +0200
                                Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! Ian <gay@sfuu.ca> - 2026-07-08 08:44 -0700
                                Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-08 17:38 +0000
                                  Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-08 18:58 +0100
                            Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-08 11:44 +0200
                              Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-07-08 17:50 +0000
                                Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-09 01:11 +0000
                                Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-09 01:18 +0000
                                  Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-09 04:43 +0000
                                    Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-09 11:56 +0100
                        Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-07 17:31 +0000
                    Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-07 08:54 +0100
                Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-06 01:02 -0400

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#88706

Fromrbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Date2026-07-06 07:29 +0000
Message-ID<nb13qlFmfb1U2@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#88705
On Mon, 6 Jul 2026 01:34:52 -0400, c186282 wrote:

>    So long as you stick to what Granny might do then maybe you're ok -
>    the "Puppy" level.

No puppies here.

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#88711

From"Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>
Date2026-07-06 13:24 +0200
Message-ID<nb1hjfFpadpU2@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#88705
On 2026-07-06 07:34, c186282 wrote:
> On 7/5/26 15:07, rbowman wrote:
>> On Sun, 5 Jul 2026 13:32:15 +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>
>>> I am using right now openSUSE Leap 16.0 without a problem.
>>
>> I replaced EndeavourOS on the Lenovo T480 with Leap 16. So far it has 
>> been
>> trouble free without the Endeavour quirks.  I'm using KDE both on SUSE 
>> and
>> Fedora. SUSE has older versions of the kernel, Plasma, konsole and so
>> forth but nothing that affects me.
>>
>> The only snag was VirtualBox. Once again, that was an experiment after
>> reading C123456's posts and I personally have no interest in running VB.
>> virt-manager works fine.
>>
>> Python on SUSE is 3.13 versus 3.14 on Fedora and Ubuntu 26.04 but that's
>> not a problem either. I haven't tried lately but there were some 
>> libraries
>> that didn't support 3.14 so that initially was a bug rather than a
>> feature.
> 
>    About five years ago, OSuse decided it didn't need/support
>    lots of those olde-tyme utilities. Had lots of pgms that
>    ran those in the background to gather/parse the output for
>    vital systems info. In short, they SCREWED me for no good
>    reasons at all.
> 
>    What's next, remove 'ls' and 'ps' and 'df' because, well,
>    who needs to know that kind of shit anyway ? Have to hand
>    install to get 'ifconfig' now too.

You can install ifconfig trivially.


-- 
Cheers,
        Carlos E.R.
        ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;

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#88715

FromThe Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Date2026-07-06 12:44 +0100
Message-ID<112g4ed$1skbq$6@dont-email.me>
In reply to#88711
On 06/07/2026 12:24, Carlos E. R. wrote:
> On 2026-07-06 07:34, c186282 wrote:
>> On 7/5/26 15:07, rbowman wrote:
>>> On Sun, 5 Jul 2026 13:32:15 +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>>
>>>> I am using right now openSUSE Leap 16.0 without a problem.
>>>
>>> I replaced EndeavourOS on the Lenovo T480 with Leap 16. So far it has 
>>> been
>>> trouble free without the Endeavour quirks.  I'm using KDE both on 
>>> SUSE and
>>> Fedora. SUSE has older versions of the kernel, Plasma, konsole and so
>>> forth but nothing that affects me.
>>>
>>> The only snag was VirtualBox. Once again, that was an experiment after
>>> reading C123456's posts and I personally have no interest in running VB.
>>> virt-manager works fine.
>>>
>>> Python on SUSE is 3.13 versus 3.14 on Fedora and Ubuntu 26.04 but that's
>>> not a problem either. I haven't tried lately but there were some 
>>> libraries
>>> that didn't support 3.14 so that initially was a bug rather than a
>>> feature.
>>
>>    About five years ago, OSuse decided it didn't need/support
>>    lots of those olde-tyme utilities. Had lots of pgms that
>>    ran those in the background to gather/parse the output for
>>    vital systems info. In short, they SCREWED me for no good
>>    reasons at all.
>>
>>    What's next, remove 'ls' and 'ps' and 'df' because, well,
>>    who needs to know that kind of shit anyway ? Have to hand
>>    install to get 'ifconfig' now too.
> 
> You can install ifconfig trivially.
> 
> 
Its only c18628 having a rant. It makes him feel better.

-- 
Any fool can believe in principles -  and most of them do!

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#88721

Fromc186282 <c186282@nnada.net>
Date2026-07-06 12:31 -0400
Message-ID<oN2dnZCU--pVRdb3nZ2dnZfqn_adnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#88715
On 7/6/26 07:44, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 06/07/2026 12:24, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>> On 2026-07-06 07:34, c186282 wrote:
>>> On 7/5/26 15:07, rbowman wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 5 Jul 2026 13:32:15 +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I am using right now openSUSE Leap 16.0 without a problem.
>>>>
>>>> I replaced EndeavourOS on the Lenovo T480 with Leap 16. So far it 
>>>> has been
>>>> trouble free without the Endeavour quirks.  I'm using KDE both on 
>>>> SUSE and
>>>> Fedora. SUSE has older versions of the kernel, Plasma, konsole and so
>>>> forth but nothing that affects me.
>>>>
>>>> The only snag was VirtualBox. Once again, that was an experiment after
>>>> reading C123456's posts and I personally have no interest in running 
>>>> VB.
>>>> virt-manager works fine.
>>>>
>>>> Python on SUSE is 3.13 versus 3.14 on Fedora and Ubuntu 26.04 but 
>>>> that's
>>>> not a problem either. I haven't tried lately but there were some 
>>>> libraries
>>>> that didn't support 3.14 so that initially was a bug rather than a
>>>> feature.
>>>
>>>    About five years ago, OSuse decided it didn't need/support
>>>    lots of those olde-tyme utilities. Had lots of pgms that
>>>    ran those in the background to gather/parse the output for
>>>    vital systems info. In short, they SCREWED me for no good
>>>    reasons at all.
>>>
>>>    What's next, remove 'ls' and 'ps' and 'df' because, well,
>>>    who needs to know that kind of shit anyway ? Have to hand
>>>    install to get 'ifconfig' now too.
>>
>> You can install ifconfig trivially.
>>
>>
> Its only c18628 having a rant. It makes him feel better.


   If that's all it took to fix-up OSuse then I'd be happy.

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#88729

Fromrbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Date2026-07-06 19:12 +0000
Message-ID<nb2d17Fu6idU3@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#88711
On Mon, 6 Jul 2026 13:24:31 +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote:

> On 2026-07-06 07:34, c186282 wrote:
>> On 7/5/26 15:07, rbowman wrote:
>>> On Sun, 5 Jul 2026 13:32:15 +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>>
>>>> I am using right now openSUSE Leap 16.0 without a problem.
>>>
>>> I replaced EndeavourOS on the Lenovo T480 with Leap 16. So far it has
>>> been trouble free without the Endeavour quirks.  I'm using KDE both on
>>> SUSE and Fedora. SUSE has older versions of the kernel, Plasma,
>>> konsole and so forth but nothing that affects me.
>>>
>>> The only snag was VirtualBox. Once again, that was an experiment after
>>> reading C123456's posts and I personally have no interest in running
>>> VB.
>>> virt-manager works fine.
>>>
>>> Python on SUSE is 3.13 versus 3.14 on Fedora and Ubuntu 26.04 but
>>> that's not a problem either. I haven't tried lately but there were
>>> some libraries that didn't support 3.14 so that initially was a bug
>>> rather than a feature.
>> 
>>    About five years ago, OSuse decided it didn't need/support lots of
>>    those olde-tyme utilities. Had lots of pgms that ran those in the
>>    background to gather/parse the output for vital systems info. In
>>    short, they SCREWED me for no good reasons at all.
>> 
>>    What's next, remove 'ls' and 'ps' and 'df' because, well, who needs
>>    to know that kind of shit anyway ? Have to hand install to get
>>    'ifconfig' now too.
> 
> You can install ifconfig trivially.

Or you can learn to us 'ip' against the dy when ifconfig hasn't been 
maintained for years and is dropped completely.

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#88732

From"Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>
Date2026-07-06 21:59 +0200
Message-ID<nb2foeFpadpU6@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#88729
On 2026-07-06 21:12, rbowman wrote:
> On Mon, 6 Jul 2026 13:24:31 +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote:
> 
>> On 2026-07-06 07:34, c186282 wrote:
>>> On 7/5/26 15:07, rbowman wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 5 Jul 2026 13:32:15 +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I am using right now openSUSE Leap 16.0 without a problem.
>>>>
>>>> I replaced EndeavourOS on the Lenovo T480 with Leap 16. So far it has
>>>> been trouble free without the Endeavour quirks.  I'm using KDE both on
>>>> SUSE and Fedora. SUSE has older versions of the kernel, Plasma,
>>>> konsole and so forth but nothing that affects me.
>>>>
>>>> The only snag was VirtualBox. Once again, that was an experiment after
>>>> reading C123456's posts and I personally have no interest in running
>>>> VB.
>>>> virt-manager works fine.
>>>>
>>>> Python on SUSE is 3.13 versus 3.14 on Fedora and Ubuntu 26.04 but
>>>> that's not a problem either. I haven't tried lately but there were
>>>> some libraries that didn't support 3.14 so that initially was a bug
>>>> rather than a feature.
>>>
>>>     About five years ago, OSuse decided it didn't need/support lots of
>>>     those olde-tyme utilities. Had lots of pgms that ran those in the
>>>     background to gather/parse the output for vital systems info. In
>>>     short, they SCREWED me for no good reasons at all.
>>>
>>>     What's next, remove 'ls' and 'ps' and 'df' because, well, who needs
>>>     to know that kind of shit anyway ? Have to hand install to get
>>>     'ifconfig' now too.
>>
>> You can install ifconfig trivially.
> 
> Or you can learn to us 'ip' against the dy when ifconfig hasn't been
> maintained for years and is dropped completely.

Yes, of course.

However, if you have scripts doing simple things, the tool is still 
there if you wish, no need to change scripts. Gosh, openSUSE only 
changed the name of the package, they did not prohibit people using it 
or something. It is just not installed by default anymore.

The decision is up to the admin, no need to get hysterical about it :-)

And yes, there were  very good reasons to do this.

-- 
Cheers,
        Carlos E.R.
        ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;

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#88740

FromLawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid>
Date2026-07-07 01:18 +0000
Message-ID<112hk5d$2h4su$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#88732
On Mon, 6 Jul 2026 21:59:10 +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote:

> However, if you have scripts doing simple things, the tool is still
> there if you wish, no need to change scripts.

Sometimes people do dumb things in scripts. Like implementing all
kinds of clever parsing of command output, when a quick check of the
man page will often show an easier way to get the command to produce
just the information desired -- or even lead you to a more direct
source of the information, like reading it straight from a file in
/proc or /sys.

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#88724

FromCharlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>
Date2026-07-06 17:50 +0000
Message-ID<lVR2S.51629$auO2.13013@fx05.iad>
In reply to#88691
On 2026-07-05, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

> The only snag was VirtualBox. Once again, that was an experiment after 
> reading C123456's posts and I personally have no interest in running VB. 
> virt-manager works fine. 

ObThreadDrift:

I just figured out what c186282's name means, hence how to remember it.
Hint: it's not metric.

-- 
/~\  Charlie Gibbs                  |  No artificial
\ /  <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>      |  intelligence was
 X   I'm really at ac.dekanfrus     |  used in the creation
/ \  if you read it the right way.  |  of this post.

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#88728

Fromrbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Date2026-07-06 19:10 +0000
Message-ID<nb2cscFu6idU2@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#88724
On Mon, 06 Jul 2026 17:50:09 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:

> On 2026-07-05, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
> 
>> The only snag was VirtualBox. Once again, that was an experiment after
>> reading C123456's posts and I personally have no interest in running
>> VB.
>> virt-manager works fine.
> 
> ObThreadDrift:
> 
> I just figured out what c186282's name means, hence how to remember it.
> Hint: it's not metric.

Do tell...

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#88748

FromThe Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Date2026-07-07 08:55 +0100
Message-ID<112ibd6$2mlt6$4@dont-email.me>
In reply to#88728
On 06/07/2026 20:10, rbowman wrote:
> On Mon, 06 Jul 2026 17:50:09 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
> 
>> On 2026-07-05, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
>>
>>> The only snag was VirtualBox. Once again, that was an experiment after
>>> reading C123456's posts and I personally have no interest in running
>>> VB.
>>> virt-manager works fine.
>>
>> ObThreadDrift:
>>
>> I just figured out what c186282's name means, hence how to remember it.
>> Hint: it's not metric.
> 
> Do tell...
C=186282 mph
-- 
Of what good are dead warriors? … Warriors are those who desire battle 
more than peace. Those who seek battle despite peace. Those who thump 
their spears on the ground and talk of honor. Those who leap high the 
battle dance and dream of glory … The good of dead warriors, Mother, is 
that they are dead.
Sheri S Tepper: The Awakeners.

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#88753

From"Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>
Date2026-07-07 11:02 +0200
Message-ID<nb3tldF5u6dU4@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#88748
On 2026-07-07 09:55, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 06/07/2026 20:10, rbowman wrote:
>> On Mon, 06 Jul 2026 17:50:09 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>>
>>> On 2026-07-05, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> The only snag was VirtualBox. Once again, that was an experiment after
>>>> reading C123456's posts and I personally have no interest in running
>>>> VB.
>>>> virt-manager works fine.
>>>
>>> ObThreadDrift:
>>>
>>> I just figured out what c186282's name means, hence how to remember it.
>>> Hint: it's not metric.
>>
>> Do tell...
> C=186282 mph

Hum. Not a number I remember. For me, C=300000

-- 
Cheers,
        Carlos E.R.
        ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;

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#88754

FromMarc Haber <mh+usenetspam2616@zugschl.us>
Date2026-07-07 14:31 +0200
Message-ID<112irj9$drpp$1@news1.tnib.de>
In reply to#88753
"Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>On 2026-07-07 09:55, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>> On 06/07/2026 20:10, rbowman wrote:
>>> On Mon, 06 Jul 2026 17:50:09 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2026-07-05, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> The only snag was VirtualBox. Once again, that was an experiment after
>>>>> reading C123456's posts and I personally have no interest in running
>>>>> VB.
>>>>> virt-manager works fine.
>>>>
>>>> ObThreadDrift:
>>>>
>>>> I just figured out what c186282's name means, hence how to remember it.
>>>> Hint: it's not metric.
>>>
>>> Do tell...
>> C=186282 mph
>
>Hum. Not a number I remember. For me, C=300000

Isnt it actually 299-something?

Greeting
Marc
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#88755

FromThe Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Date2026-07-07 13:36 +0100
Message-ID<112irro$2rkjp$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#88754
On 07/07/2026 13:31, Marc Haber wrote:
> "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>> On 2026-07-07 09:55, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>> On 06/07/2026 20:10, rbowman wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 06 Jul 2026 17:50:09 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2026-07-05, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> The only snag was VirtualBox. Once again, that was an experiment after
>>>>>> reading C123456's posts and I personally have no interest in running
>>>>>> VB.
>>>>>> virt-manager works fine.
>>>>>
>>>>> ObThreadDrift:
>>>>>
>>>>> I just figured out what c186282's name means, hence how to remember it.
>>>>> Hint: it's not metric.
>>>>
>>>> Do tell...
>>> C=186282 mph
>>
>> Hum. Not a number I remember. For me, C=300000
> 
> Isnt it actually 299-something?
> 

~186,000 miles per SECOND/300 km per second
My bad



-- 
When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men in a society, over 
the course of time they create for themselves a legal system that 
authorizes it and a moral code that glorifies it.

  Frédéric Bastiat

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#88771

From"Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>
Date2026-07-08 11:45 +0200
Message-ID<nb6kiiFk3pvU2@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#88755
On 2026-07-07 14:36, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 07/07/2026 13:31, Marc Haber wrote:
>> "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>>> On 2026-07-07 09:55, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>> On 06/07/2026 20:10, rbowman wrote:
>>>>> On Mon, 06 Jul 2026 17:50:09 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2026-07-05, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The only snag was VirtualBox. Once again, that was an experiment 
>>>>>>> after
>>>>>>> reading C123456's posts and I personally have no interest in running
>>>>>>> VB.
>>>>>>> virt-manager works fine.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ObThreadDrift:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I just figured out what c186282's name means, hence how to 
>>>>>> remember it.
>>>>>> Hint: it's not metric.
>>>>>
>>>>> Do tell...
>>>> C=186282 mph
>>>
>>> Hum. Not a number I remember. For me, C=300000
>>
>> Isnt it actually 299-something?
>>
> 
> ~186,000 miles per SECOND/300 km per second
> My bad

Didn't notice :-)  - my mind corrected the typpo without telling me.

-- 
Cheers,
        Carlos E.R.
        ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;

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#88765

FromLawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid>
Date2026-07-08 00:53 +0000
Message-ID<112k728$3854h$3@dont-email.me>
In reply to#88754
On Tue, 07 Jul 2026 14:31:36 +0200, Marc Haber wrote:

> Isnt it actually 299-something?

Nowadays officially defined as 299 792 458 ms¯¹.

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speed_of_light>

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#88772

From"Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>
Date2026-07-08 11:46 +0200
Message-ID<nb6kk6Fk3pvU3@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#88765
On 2026-07-08 02:53, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
> On Tue, 07 Jul 2026 14:31:36 +0200, Marc Haber wrote:
> 
>> Isnt it actually 299-something?
> 
> Nowadays officially defined as 299 792 458 ms¯¹.
> 
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speed_of_light>

What was the chance of an universal figure being a round number?

-- 
Cheers,
        Carlos E.R.
        ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;

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#88779

FromIan <gay@sfuu.ca>
Date2026-07-08 08:44 -0700
Message-ID<112lr8p$31qf3$1@paganini.bofh.team>
In reply to#88772
Carlos E. R. wrote:

> On 2026-07-08 02:53, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
>> On Tue, 07 Jul 2026 14:31:36 +0200, Marc Haber wrote:
>> 
>>> Isnt it actually 299-something?
>> 
>> Nowadays officially defined as 299 792 458 ms¯¹.
>> 
>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speed_of_light>
> 
> What was the chance of an universal figure being a round number?
> 
As noted above, c is _defined_ to be that number. This means the length
of a metre is no longer defined by a platinum bar in Paris. The
experiments which used to be called "measuring the speed of light" are
now called "determining the length of a metre"
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#88781

Fromrbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Date2026-07-08 17:38 +0000
Message-ID<nb7g7tFodpbU3@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#88772
On Wed, 8 Jul 2026 11:46:46 +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote:

> On 2026-07-08 02:53, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
>> On Tue, 07 Jul 2026 14:31:36 +0200, Marc Haber wrote:
>> 
>>> Isnt it actually 299-something?
>> 
>> Nowadays officially defined as 299 792 458 ms¯¹.
>> 
>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speed_of_light>
> 
> What was the chance of an universal figure being a round number?

I think it was the Red Queen who said it is whatever I say it is.

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#88789

FromThe Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Date2026-07-08 18:58 +0100
Message-ID<112m33n$3qiib$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#88781
On 08/07/2026 18:38, rbowman wrote:
> On Wed, 8 Jul 2026 11:46:46 +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote:
> 
>> On 2026-07-08 02:53, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
>>> On Tue, 07 Jul 2026 14:31:36 +0200, Marc Haber wrote:
>>>
>>>> Isnt it actually 299-something?
>>>
>>> Nowadays officially defined as 299 792 458 ms¯¹.
>>>
>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speed_of_light>
>>
>> What was the chance of an universal figure being a round number?
> 
> I think it was the Red Queen who said it is whatever I say it is.

No, that was Humpty Dumpty, strangely reminiscent of a well known president.

The Red Queen was more famous for saying that you have to run as hard as 
you can to stay in the same place, but to get anywhere else, you have to 
run much harder

Or the White Queen..."When I was your age, I always did it for 
half-an-hour a day. Why, sometimes I’ve believed as many as six 
impossible things before breakfast."
...&...
"The rule is, jam to-morrow and jam yesterday—but never jam to-day."


-- 
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#88770

From"Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>
Date2026-07-08 11:44 +0200
Message-ID<nb6kg0Fk3pvU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#88754
On 2026-07-07 14:31, Marc Haber wrote:
> "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>> On 2026-07-07 09:55, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>> On 06/07/2026 20:10, rbowman wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 06 Jul 2026 17:50:09 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2026-07-05, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> The only snag was VirtualBox. Once again, that was an experiment after
>>>>>> reading C123456's posts and I personally have no interest in running
>>>>>> VB.
>>>>>> virt-manager works fine.
>>>>>
>>>>> ObThreadDrift:
>>>>>
>>>>> I just figured out what c186282's name means, hence how to remember it.
>>>>> Hint: it's not metric.
>>>>
>>>> Do tell...
>>> C=186282 mph
>>
>> Hum. Not a number I remember. For me, C=300000
> 
> Isnt it actually 299-something?

Maybe. 300000 was the figure we always used in classes, so it stuck. The 
actual figure was not in biological memory.

-- 
Cheers,
        Carlos E.R.
        ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;

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