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| Started by | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| First post | 2026-06-12 01:49 -0400 |
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Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-12 01:49 -0400
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de> - 2026-06-12 07:54 +0200
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-12 02:12 -0400
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de> - 2026-06-12 09:03 +0200
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-12 03:25 -0400
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-12 06:22 +0000
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-12 03:14 -0400
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-12 11:45 +0200
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-12 23:21 -0400
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-13 04:20 +0000
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-14 14:27 +0200
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-14 22:51 -0400
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-15 03:15 +0000
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-15 01:46 -0400
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-15 07:16 +0000
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-06-15 17:02 +0000
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-15 19:05 +0000
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-15 20:41 +0100
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-15 22:21 +0000
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-16 02:00 +0100
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-16 02:55 +0000
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-16 11:54 +0100
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-16 18:00 +0000
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-17 10:55 +0100
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-16 22:07 -0400
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-17 03:51 +0000
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-16 12:34 +0200
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-16 11:55 +0100
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-16 15:14 +0200
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-16 15:10 +0100
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-16 18:15 +0000
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-16 20:22 +0200
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-17 10:58 +0100
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-17 16:47 +0000
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-16 22:11 -0400
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-17 03:29 +0000
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-16 22:09 -0400
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-17 03:19 +0000
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-16 18:09 +0000
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-16 23:23 -0400
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-17 07:20 +0000
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-18 04:26 -0400
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-18 10:32 +0200
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-18 09:44 +0100
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-18 13:55 +0200
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-18 17:02 +0100
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-18 18:37 +0200
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-18 19:14 +0100
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-18 20:50 +0200
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-18 23:36 +0000
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-19 11:58 +0200
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-19 17:18 +0000
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-18 19:45 +0000
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-19 00:22 +0200
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-19 02:27 -0400
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-06-18 18:26 +0000
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-18 23:34 +0000
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-06-19 00:01 +0000
Communism ???? Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2026-06-18 21:46 -0700
Re: Communism ???? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-19 05:59 +0000
Re: Communism ???? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-19 02:51 -0400
Re: Communism ???? "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-19 11:51 +0200
Re: Communism ???? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-19 23:50 -0400
Re: Communism ???? "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-20 08:54 +0200
Re: Communism ???? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-20 03:25 -0400
Re: Communism ???? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-19 13:25 +0100
Re: Communism ???? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-06-19 16:41 +0000
Re: Communism ???? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-19 18:22 +0000
Re: Communism ???? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-20 01:48 -0400
Re: Communism ???? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-20 01:08 -0400
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-19 12:56 +0100
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-06-19 16:41 +0000
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-19 17:43 +0000
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-06-19 18:33 +0000
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-20 02:04 -0400
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-18 19:41 +0000
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-19 13:21 +0100
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-18 19:39 +0000
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-06-17 19:35 +0000
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-18 04:50 -0400
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-18 10:25 +0100
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-06-18 18:26 +0000
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-19 13:00 +0100
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-19 17:46 +0000
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-20 01:13 -0400
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-18 19:33 +0000
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-19 13:18 +0100
The Walmart Effect (Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT !) Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2026-06-19 06:12 -0700
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-20 01:44 -0400
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-19 02:26 -0400
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-19 13:26 +0100
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-16 21:47 -0400
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-17 03:13 +0000
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-17 10:58 +0100
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-06-17 19:35 +0000
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-18 01:15 +0000
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-18 04:42 -0400
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-18 04:49 -0400
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-06-18 18:26 +0000
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-18 23:51 +0000
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-19 13:12 +0100
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-19 17:15 +0000
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-20 00:10 +0100
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-20 01:44 +0000
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-20 01:42 -0400
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-12 19:32 +0000
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-12 11:38 +0200
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-12 06:27 +0000
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-12 03:22 -0400
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! 🇵🇱Jacek Marcin Jaworski🇵🇱 <jmj@energokod.gda.pl> - 2026-06-12 09:53 +0200
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-12 19:34 +0000
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-12 11:54 +0200
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-12 23:37 -0400
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-13 06:42 +0000
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-13 04:18 -0400
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-13 20:21 +0000
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-13 23:09 -0400
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-14 06:22 +0000
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-14 03:57 -0400
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-14 18:38 +0000
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-15 01:27 -0400
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-15 07:11 +0000
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! mechanicjay@sol.smbfc.net (Mechanicjay) - 2026-06-14 07:01 +0000
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-14 04:14 -0400
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam2616@zugschl.us> - 2026-06-14 10:56 +0200
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-14 18:40 +0000
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-15 01:27 -0400
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! mechanicjay@sol.smbfc.net (Mechanicjay) - 2026-06-12 13:26 +0000
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! Woozy Song <suzyw0ng@outlook.com> - 2026-06-17 15:43 +0800
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-18 04:28 -0400
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! bonkmaykr <bonkymaykr@canithesis.org> - 2026-07-04 00:40 -0500
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-04 05:46 +0000
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam2616@zugschl.us> - 2026-07-04 10:59 +0200
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-04 23:43 +0000
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-05 01:59 -0400
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-05 13:32 +0200
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-05 19:07 +0000
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-06 01:34 -0400
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-06 07:29 +0000
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-06 13:24 +0200
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-06 12:44 +0100
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-06 12:31 -0400
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-06 19:12 +0000
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-06 21:59 +0200
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-07 01:18 +0000
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-07-06 17:50 +0000
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-06 19:10 +0000
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-07 08:55 +0100
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-07 11:02 +0200
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam2616@zugschl.us> - 2026-07-07 14:31 +0200
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-07 13:36 +0100
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-08 00:53 +0000
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-07 17:31 +0000
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-07 08:54 +0100
Re: Leap-16 ... Oh SHIT ! c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-06 01:02 -0400
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-07-06 12:44 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <112g4ed$1skbq$6@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #88711 |
On 06/07/2026 12:24, Carlos E. R. wrote: > On 2026-07-06 07:34, c186282 wrote: >> On 7/5/26 15:07, rbowman wrote: >>> On Sun, 5 Jul 2026 13:32:15 +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote: >>> >>>> I am using right now openSUSE Leap 16.0 without a problem. >>> >>> I replaced EndeavourOS on the Lenovo T480 with Leap 16. So far it has >>> been >>> trouble free without the Endeavour quirks. I'm using KDE both on >>> SUSE and >>> Fedora. SUSE has older versions of the kernel, Plasma, konsole and so >>> forth but nothing that affects me. >>> >>> The only snag was VirtualBox. Once again, that was an experiment after >>> reading C123456's posts and I personally have no interest in running VB. >>> virt-manager works fine. >>> >>> Python on SUSE is 3.13 versus 3.14 on Fedora and Ubuntu 26.04 but that's >>> not a problem either. I haven't tried lately but there were some >>> libraries >>> that didn't support 3.14 so that initially was a bug rather than a >>> feature. >> >>   About five years ago, OSuse decided it didn't need/support >>   lots of those olde-tyme utilities. Had lots of pgms that >>   ran those in the background to gather/parse the output for >>   vital systems info. In short, they SCREWED me for no good >>   reasons at all. >> >>   What's next, remove 'ls' and 'ps' and 'df' because, well, >>   who needs to know that kind of shit anyway ? Have to hand >>   install to get 'ifconfig' now too. > > You can install ifconfig trivially. > > Its only c18628 having a rant. It makes him feel better. -- Any fool can believe in principles - and most of them do!
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2026-07-06 12:31 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <oN2dnZCU--pVRdb3nZ2dnZfqn_adnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #88715 |
On 7/6/26 07:44, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > On 06/07/2026 12:24, Carlos E. R. wrote: >> On 2026-07-06 07:34, c186282 wrote: >>> On 7/5/26 15:07, rbowman wrote: >>>> On Sun, 5 Jul 2026 13:32:15 +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote: >>>> >>>>> I am using right now openSUSE Leap 16.0 without a problem. >>>> >>>> I replaced EndeavourOS on the Lenovo T480 with Leap 16. So far it >>>> has been >>>> trouble free without the Endeavour quirks. I'm using KDE both on >>>> SUSE and >>>> Fedora. SUSE has older versions of the kernel, Plasma, konsole and so >>>> forth but nothing that affects me. >>>> >>>> The only snag was VirtualBox. Once again, that was an experiment after >>>> reading C123456's posts and I personally have no interest in running >>>> VB. >>>> virt-manager works fine. >>>> >>>> Python on SUSE is 3.13 versus 3.14 on Fedora and Ubuntu 26.04 but >>>> that's >>>> not a problem either. I haven't tried lately but there were some >>>> libraries >>>> that didn't support 3.14 so that initially was a bug rather than a >>>> feature. >>> >>>   About five years ago, OSuse decided it didn't need/support >>>   lots of those olde-tyme utilities. Had lots of pgms that >>>   ran those in the background to gather/parse the output for >>>   vital systems info. In short, they SCREWED me for no good >>>   reasons at all. >>> >>>   What's next, remove 'ls' and 'ps' and 'df' because, well, >>>   who needs to know that kind of shit anyway ? Have to hand >>>   install to get 'ifconfig' now too. >> >> You can install ifconfig trivially. >> >> > Its only c18628 having a rant. It makes him feel better. If that's all it took to fix-up OSuse then I'd be happy.
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-07-06 19:12 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <nb2d17Fu6idU3@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #88711 |
On Mon, 6 Jul 2026 13:24:31 +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote: > On 2026-07-06 07:34, c186282 wrote: >> On 7/5/26 15:07, rbowman wrote: >>> On Sun, 5 Jul 2026 13:32:15 +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote: >>> >>>> I am using right now openSUSE Leap 16.0 without a problem. >>> >>> I replaced EndeavourOS on the Lenovo T480 with Leap 16. So far it has >>> been trouble free without the Endeavour quirks. I'm using KDE both on >>> SUSE and Fedora. SUSE has older versions of the kernel, Plasma, >>> konsole and so forth but nothing that affects me. >>> >>> The only snag was VirtualBox. Once again, that was an experiment after >>> reading C123456's posts and I personally have no interest in running >>> VB. >>> virt-manager works fine. >>> >>> Python on SUSE is 3.13 versus 3.14 on Fedora and Ubuntu 26.04 but >>> that's not a problem either. I haven't tried lately but there were >>> some libraries that didn't support 3.14 so that initially was a bug >>> rather than a feature. >> >>  About five years ago, OSuse decided it didn't need/support lots of >>  those olde-tyme utilities. Had lots of pgms that ran those in the >>  background to gather/parse the output for vital systems info. In >>  short, they SCREWED me for no good reasons at all. >> >>  What's next, remove 'ls' and 'ps' and 'df' because, well, who needs >>  to know that kind of shit anyway ? Have to hand install to get >>  'ifconfig' now too. > > You can install ifconfig trivially. Or you can learn to us 'ip' against the dy when ifconfig hasn't been maintained for years and is dropped completely.
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| From | "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-07-06 21:59 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <nb2foeFpadpU6@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #88729 |
On 2026-07-06 21:12, rbowman wrote:
> On Mon, 6 Jul 2026 13:24:31 +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>
>> On 2026-07-06 07:34, c186282 wrote:
>>> On 7/5/26 15:07, rbowman wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 5 Jul 2026 13:32:15 +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I am using right now openSUSE Leap 16.0 without a problem.
>>>>
>>>> I replaced EndeavourOS on the Lenovo T480 with Leap 16. So far it has
>>>> been trouble free without the Endeavour quirks. I'm using KDE both on
>>>> SUSE and Fedora. SUSE has older versions of the kernel, Plasma,
>>>> konsole and so forth but nothing that affects me.
>>>>
>>>> The only snag was VirtualBox. Once again, that was an experiment after
>>>> reading C123456's posts and I personally have no interest in running
>>>> VB.
>>>> virt-manager works fine.
>>>>
>>>> Python on SUSE is 3.13 versus 3.14 on Fedora and Ubuntu 26.04 but
>>>> that's not a problem either. I haven't tried lately but there were
>>>> some libraries that didn't support 3.14 so that initially was a bug
>>>> rather than a feature.
>>>
>>> Â About five years ago, OSuse decided it didn't need/support lots of
>>> Â those olde-tyme utilities. Had lots of pgms that ran those in the
>>> Â background to gather/parse the output for vital systems info. In
>>> Â short, they SCREWED me for no good reasons at all.
>>>
>>> Â What's next, remove 'ls' and 'ps' and 'df' because, well, who needs
>>> Â to know that kind of shit anyway ? Have to hand install to get
>>> Â 'ifconfig' now too.
>>
>> You can install ifconfig trivially.
>
> Or you can learn to us 'ip' against the dy when ifconfig hasn't been
> maintained for years and is dropped completely.
Yes, of course.
However, if you have scripts doing simple things, the tool is still
there if you wish, no need to change scripts. Gosh, openSUSE only
changed the name of the package, they did not prohibit people using it
or something. It is just not installed by default anymore.
The decision is up to the admin, no need to get hysterical about it :-)
And yes, there were very good reasons to do this.
--
Cheers,
Carlos E.R.
ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-07-07 01:18 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <112hk5d$2h4su$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #88732 |
On Mon, 6 Jul 2026 21:59:10 +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote: > However, if you have scripts doing simple things, the tool is still > there if you wish, no need to change scripts. Sometimes people do dumb things in scripts. Like implementing all kinds of clever parsing of command output, when a quick check of the man page will often show an easier way to get the command to produce just the information desired -- or even lead you to a more direct source of the information, like reading it straight from a file in /proc or /sys.
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| From | Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-07-06 17:50 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <lVR2S.51629$auO2.13013@fx05.iad> |
| In reply to | #88691 |
On 2026-07-05, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote: > The only snag was VirtualBox. Once again, that was an experiment after > reading C123456's posts and I personally have no interest in running VB. > virt-manager works fine. ObThreadDrift: I just figured out what c186282's name means, hence how to remember it. Hint: it's not metric. -- /~\ Charlie Gibbs | No artificial \ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | intelligence was X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | used in the creation / \ if you read it the right way. | of this post.
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-07-06 19:10 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <nb2cscFu6idU2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #88724 |
On Mon, 06 Jul 2026 17:50:09 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > On 2026-07-05, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote: > >> The only snag was VirtualBox. Once again, that was an experiment after >> reading C123456's posts and I personally have no interest in running >> VB. >> virt-manager works fine. > > ObThreadDrift: > > I just figured out what c186282's name means, hence how to remember it. > Hint: it's not metric. Do tell...
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-07-07 08:55 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <112ibd6$2mlt6$4@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #88728 |
On 06/07/2026 20:10, rbowman wrote: > On Mon, 06 Jul 2026 17:50:09 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > >> On 2026-07-05, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote: >> >>> The only snag was VirtualBox. Once again, that was an experiment after >>> reading C123456's posts and I personally have no interest in running >>> VB. >>> virt-manager works fine. >> >> ObThreadDrift: >> >> I just figured out what c186282's name means, hence how to remember it. >> Hint: it's not metric. > > Do tell... C=186282 mph -- Of what good are dead warriors? … Warriors are those who desire battle more than peace. Those who seek battle despite peace. Those who thump their spears on the ground and talk of honor. Those who leap high the battle dance and dream of glory … The good of dead warriors, Mother, is that they are dead. Sheri S Tepper: The Awakeners.
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| From | "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-07-07 11:02 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <nb3tldF5u6dU4@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #88748 |
On 2026-07-07 09:55, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 06/07/2026 20:10, rbowman wrote:
>> On Mon, 06 Jul 2026 17:50:09 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>>
>>> On 2026-07-05, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> The only snag was VirtualBox. Once again, that was an experiment after
>>>> reading C123456's posts and I personally have no interest in running
>>>> VB.
>>>> virt-manager works fine.
>>>
>>> ObThreadDrift:
>>>
>>> I just figured out what c186282's name means, hence how to remember it.
>>> Hint: it's not metric.
>>
>> Do tell...
> C=186282 mph
Hum. Not a number I remember. For me, C=300000
--
Cheers,
Carlos E.R.
ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam2616@zugschl.us> |
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| Date | 2026-07-07 14:31 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <112irj9$drpp$1@news1.tnib.de> |
| In reply to | #88753 |
"Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote: >On 2026-07-07 09:55, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >> On 06/07/2026 20:10, rbowman wrote: >>> On Mon, 06 Jul 2026 17:50:09 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote: >>> >>>> On 2026-07-05, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> The only snag was VirtualBox. Once again, that was an experiment after >>>>> reading C123456's posts and I personally have no interest in running >>>>> VB. >>>>> virt-manager works fine. >>>> >>>> ObThreadDrift: >>>> >>>> I just figured out what c186282's name means, hence how to remember it. >>>> Hint: it's not metric. >>> >>> Do tell... >> C=186282 mph > >Hum. Not a number I remember. For me, C=300000 Isnt it actually 299-something? Greeting Marc -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Marc Haber | " Questions are the | Mailadresse im Header Rhein-Neckar, DE | Beginning of Wisdom " | Nordisch by Nature | Lt. Worf, TNG "Rightful Heir" | Fon: *49 6224 1600402
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-07-07 13:36 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <112irro$2rkjp$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #88754 |
On 07/07/2026 13:31, Marc Haber wrote: > "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote: >> On 2026-07-07 09:55, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >>> On 06/07/2026 20:10, rbowman wrote: >>>> On Mon, 06 Jul 2026 17:50:09 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote: >>>> >>>>> On 2026-07-05, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> The only snag was VirtualBox. Once again, that was an experiment after >>>>>> reading C123456's posts and I personally have no interest in running >>>>>> VB. >>>>>> virt-manager works fine. >>>>> >>>>> ObThreadDrift: >>>>> >>>>> I just figured out what c186282's name means, hence how to remember it. >>>>> Hint: it's not metric. >>>> >>>> Do tell... >>> C=186282 mph >> >> Hum. Not a number I remember. For me, C=300000 > > Isnt it actually 299-something? > ~186,000 miles per SECOND/300 km per second My bad -- When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men in a society, over the course of time they create for themselves a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that glorifies it. Frédéric Bastiat
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| From | Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-07-08 00:53 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <112k728$3854h$3@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #88754 |
On Tue, 07 Jul 2026 14:31:36 +0200, Marc Haber wrote: > Isnt it actually 299-something? Nowadays officially defined as 299 792 458 ms¯¹. <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speed_of_light>
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-07-07 17:31 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <nb4rfhFbq6tU2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #88748 |
On Tue, 7 Jul 2026 08:55:18 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > On 06/07/2026 20:10, rbowman wrote: >> On Mon, 06 Jul 2026 17:50:09 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote: >> >>> On 2026-07-05, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote: >>> >>>> The only snag was VirtualBox. Once again, that was an experiment >>>> after reading C123456's posts and I personally have no interest in >>>> running VB. >>>> virt-manager works fine. >>> >>> ObThreadDrift: >>> >>> I just figured out what c186282's name means, hence how to remember >>> it. >>> Hint: it's not metric. >> >> Do tell... > C=186282 mph Okay. I didn't make the connection since ol' C hardly travels at the speed of light.
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-07-07 08:54 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <112ibc7$2mlt6$3@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #88724 |
On 06/07/2026 18:50, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > On 2026-07-05, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote: > >> The only snag was VirtualBox. Once again, that was an experiment after >> reading C123456's posts and I personally have no interest in running VB. >> virt-manager works fine. > > ObThreadDrift: > > I just figured out what c186282's name means, hence how to remember it. > Hint: it's not metric. > I cant say I gave it much thought. It isnt exactly cryptographically challenging -- Of what good are dead warriors? … Warriors are those who desire battle more than peace. Those who seek battle despite peace. Those who thump their spears on the ground and talk of honor. Those who leap high the battle dance and dream of glory … The good of dead warriors, Mother, is that they are dead. Sheri S Tepper: The Awakeners.
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2026-07-06 01:02 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <YludnQZ2QKBCq9b3nZ2dnZfqn_SdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #88675 |
On 7/5/26 07:32, Carlos E. R. wrote: > On 2026-07-05 07:59, c186282 wrote: >> On 7/4/26 19:43, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: >>> On Sat, 04 Jul 2026 10:59:27 +0200, Marc Haber wrote: >>> >>>> Lawrence D´Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> On Sat, 4 Jul 2026 00:40:37 -0500, bonkmaykr wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Someone decided politics and publicity were more important than >>>>>> developing the software, and the only people left to work on SUSE >>>>>> are now performative RedHat elitists. >>>>> >>>>> So what happened to the people developing the software? >>>> >>>> If you want a Distribution without commercial background, use >>>> Debian. >>> >>> The point being, that person complaining abut SUSE is another of these >>> armchair critics who loves how to complain about Free Software >>> projects not catering to their particular needs. >> >>   No, I don't love it AT ALL. >> >>   I just remember when it used to be Much Better and >>   now wonder What The Fuck Has Happened. I thought >>   'tools' and 'AI' were supposed to make code better, >>   right ? >> >>   Sorry, but I've become too old now to spend days >>   or weeks pumped on caf digging through endless >>   undocumented config files and trying to read >>   somebody's crappy 'C' to fix some little problems >>   that fuck up everything. Soon Linux will NOT be >>   a viable M$/Apple alt system anymore. The days >>   of being an 'experimental' system should be over. >> >>   Maybe somebody is helping along the shittification >>   of Linux ... ??? > > I am using right now openSUSE Leap 16.0 without a problem. Good for you. But don't PUSH it. Sorry, had too many BAD experiences with OSuse distros of late. Anything even vaguely 'out of the ordinary', more than Granny might do, and probs start cropping up. OSuse used to be a 'Cadillac' distro - a bit fat but full of solid goodness. Used it for a long time on many things. But then ...... Shit, even got OSuse to run on a Pi-4 - not 'snappy' but everything worked. The bad shit has happened in just the past two or three years. You're better off with vanilla Deb - then add what extras you need. Best Deb-derived distro is MX. That's my go-to now. Arch derivs - had good and middlin' experiences but on the whole they're pretty solid.
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