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| First post | 2026-07-04 18:23 +0000 |
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WSL keeps getting better, and it's because Microsoft is finally admitting where developers want to be rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-04 18:23 +0000
Re: WSL keeps getting better, and it's because Microsoft is finally? admitting where developers want to be Robert Heller <heller@deepsoft.com> - 2026-07-04 18:41 +0000
Re: WSL keeps getting better, and it's because Microsoft is finally? admitting where developers want to be Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-05 00:36 +0100
Re: WSL keeps getting better, and it's because Microsoft is finally? admitting where developers want to be c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-05 01:31 -0400
Re: WSL keeps getting better, and it's because Microsoft is finally? admitting where developers want to be Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-07-05 18:07 +0000
Re: WSL keeps getting better, and it's because Microsoft is finally? admitting where developers want to be rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-05 18:15 +0000
Re: WSL keeps getting better, and it's because Microsoft is finally admitting where developers want to be Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-05 00:02 +0000
Re: WSL keeps getting better, and it's because Microsoft is finally admitting where developers want to be c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-05 02:00 -0400
Re: WSL keeps getting better, and it's because Microsoft is finally admitting where developers want to be "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-05 13:35 +0200
Re: WSL keeps getting better, and it's because Microsoft is finally? admitting where developers want to be Robert Heller <heller@deepsoft.com> - 2026-07-05 12:41 +0000
Re: WSL keeps getting better, and it's because Microsoft is finally? admitting where developers want to be "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-05 15:12 +0200
Re: WSL keeps getting better, and it's because Microsoft is finally?? admitting where developers want to be Robert Heller <heller@deepsoft.com> - 2026-07-05 13:55 +0000
Re: WSL keeps getting better, and it's because Microsoft is finally?? admitting where developers want to be Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-05 15:11 +0100
Re: WSL keeps getting better, and it's because Microsoft is finally?? admitting where developers want to be rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-05 18:49 +0000
Re: WSL keeps getting better, and it's because Microsoft is finally? admitting where developers want to be rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-05 18:47 +0000
Re: WSL keeps getting better, and it's because Microsoft is finally? admitting where developers want to be rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-05 18:39 +0000
| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-07-04 18:23 +0000 |
| Subject | WSL keeps getting better, and it's because Microsoft is finally admitting where developers want to be |
| Message-ID | <nat1csF3l9vU2@mid.individual.net> |
<https://www.xda-developers.com/wsl-keeps-getting-better-and-its-because-microsoft-is-finally-admitting-where-developers-want-to-be/> It must leave a sour taste.
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| From | Robert Heller <heller@deepsoft.com> |
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| Date | 2026-07-04 18:41 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: WSL keeps getting better, and it's because Microsoft is finally? admitting where developers want to be |
| Message-ID | <112bk53$chl8$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #88646 |
At 4 Jul 2026 18:23:24 GMT rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote: > > <https://www.xda-developers.com/wsl-keeps-getting-better-and-its-because-microsoft-is-finally-admitting-where-developers-want-to-be/> > > It must leave a sour taste. It is also *probably* too little too late. -- Robert Heller -- Cell: 413-658-7953 GV: 978-633-5364 Deepwoods Software -- Custom Software Services http://www.deepsoft.com/ -- Linux Administration Services heller@deepsoft.com -- Webhosting Services
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| From | Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-07-05 00:36 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: WSL keeps getting better, and it's because Microsoft is finally? admitting where developers want to be |
| Message-ID | <112c5dc$jjdb$3@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #88647 |
On 2026-07-04, Robert Heller wrote: > At 4 Jul 2026 18:23:24 GMT rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote: > >> >> <https://www.xda-developers.com/wsl-keeps-getting-better-and-its-because-microsoft-is-finally-admitting-where-developers-want-to-be/> >> >> It must leave a sour taste. > > It is also *probably* too little too late. Hmm, then they better add a GenAI interface on top of it, perhaps with an animated character to make it more "user-friendly" and funny. -- Nuno Silva May contain traces of: sarcasm.
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2026-07-05 01:31 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: WSL keeps getting better, and it's because Microsoft is finally? admitting where developers want to be |
| Message-ID | <r5ucndEIMqbccdT3nZ2dnZfqn_udnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #88654 |
On 7/4/26 19:36, Nuno Silva wrote: > On 2026-07-04, Robert Heller wrote: > >> At 4 Jul 2026 18:23:24 GMT rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote: >> >>> >>> <https://www.xda-developers.com/wsl-keeps-getting-better-and-its-because-microsoft-is-finally-admitting-where-developers-want-to-be/> >>> >>> It must leave a sour taste. >> >> It is also *probably* too little too late. > > Hmm, then they better add a GenAI interface on top of it, perhaps with > an animated character to make it more "user-friendly" and funny. Pikachu ! :-) Maybe a "Minion" !!! Those ought to be about the mental level of today's 'users'. As for "Microsoft Developers" ... I just think they want big money for doing basically nothing. That's the Gen-Z/A2 paradigm. They "just deserve" the high life because, well, Just Because ......... A long time back, a niece, maybe 3rd cousin, about 12 years old asked why anybody should DO anything, just hand out Free Money. "Well, if nobody is doing anything, what do you buy ?" Answer - "just buy it from some other place !". "If nobody here is doing anything, making anything, why would our money be worth anything to them ? It'd just be paper with numbers on it." She didn't have an answer for that. She wasn't STUPID - indeed probably IQ-130 - but she and her crowd had never even been informed how money/economies WORK, how the value of money is tied to DOING/MAKING stuff. This seems criminally negligent - 'socialists/communists' behind it. This was latter Gen-Y ... it's MUCH worse now. As for little Cuz ... she's spent a lot of her life in jail, or dodging jail, for a lot of little offenses. Not a happy ending.
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| From | Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-07-05 18:07 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: WSL keeps getting better, and it's because Microsoft is finally? admitting where developers want to be |
| Message-ID | <N3x2S.16753$F8N4.3207@fx01.iad> |
| In reply to | #88661 |
On 2026-07-05, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote: > On 7/4/26 19:36, Nuno Silva wrote: > >> On 2026-07-04, Robert Heller wrote: >> >>> At 4 Jul 2026 18:23:24 GMT rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> <https://www.xda-developers.com/wsl-keeps-getting-better-and-its-because-microsoft-is-finally-admitting-where-developers-want-to-be/> >>>> >>>> It must leave a sour taste. >>> >>> It is also *probably* too little too late. >> >> Hmm, then they better add a GenAI interface on top of it, perhaps with >> an animated character to make it more "user-friendly" and funny. > > Pikachu ! :-) > > Maybe a "Minion" !!! > > Those ought to be about the mental level of > today's 'users'. Bring back Clippy! > As for "Microsoft Developers" ... I just think they > want big money for doing basically nothing. That's > the Gen-Z/A2 paradigm. They "just deserve" the high > life because, well, Just Because ......... That's why they went to the SaaS model. Write it once, collect money forever. -- /~\ Charlie Gibbs | They don't understand Microsoft \ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | has stolen their car and parked X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | a taxi in their driveway. / \ if you read it the right way. | -- Mayayana
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-07-05 18:15 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: WSL keeps getting better, and it's because Microsoft is finally? admitting where developers want to be |
| Message-ID | <navla3Fhh1qU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #88685 |
On Sun, 05 Jul 2026 18:07:41 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > On 2026-07-05, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote: > >> On 7/4/26 19:36, Nuno Silva wrote: >> >>> On 2026-07-04, Robert Heller wrote: >>> >>>> At 4 Jul 2026 18:23:24 GMT rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> <https://www.xda-developers.com/wsl-keeps-getting-better-and-its- because-microsoft-is-finally-admitting-where-developers-want-to-be/> >>>>> >>>>> It must leave a sour taste. >>>> >>>> It is also *probably* too little too late. >>> >>> Hmm, then they better add a GenAI interface on top of it, perhaps with >>> an animated character to make it more "user-friendly" and funny. >> >> Pikachu ! >> >> Maybe a "Minion" !!! >> >> Those ought to be about the mental level of today's 'users'. > > Bring back Clippy! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Bob Rover rulz!
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| From | Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-07-05 00:02 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <112c6uq$k25o$8@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #88647 |
On Sat, 4 Jul 2026 18:41:39 -0000 (UTC), Robert Heller wrote:
>> <https://www.xda-developers.com/wsl-keeps-getting-better-and-its-because-microsoft-is-finally-admitting-where-developers-want-to-be/>
>>
> It is also *probably* too little too late.
Quote:
... Microsoft really does need to make its OS comfortable for
Linux developers to work in, because the alternative involves
people ditching Windows entirely. For Microsoft to maintain its
user base, it has to ensure that its operating system can do
everything better than its competitors, and if that includes
allowing people to code Linux apps instead of using its own tools,
then that's what it needs to do.
But if what its operating system is supposedly “doing better than
competitors” is “running a Linux stack”, then pretty much by
definition, native Linux itself will always do that better than any
Windows-with-Linux-bag-hanging-off-the-side two-headed FrankenOS can
manage.
But yes, a hybrid environment does at least offer some sense of
familiarity to those who have spent too long in the Windows world --
easier than jumping straight into the deep end of a pure-Linux
environment.
In other words, all Microsoft can do, really, is help ease the
transition away from Windows to Linux. Instead of slowing the move by
making the Windows environment more attractive to stay with for just a
little bit longer, it could, paradoxically, help to speed it up.
The final section heading spells it out: “WSL is Microsoft admitting
that developers want to be elsewhere”. No two ways about it.
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2026-07-05 02:00 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <53udneTCnuefbtT3nZ2dnZfqn_idnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #88656 |
On 7/4/26 20:02, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: > On Sat, 4 Jul 2026 18:41:39 -0000 (UTC), Robert Heller wrote: > >>> <https://www.xda-developers.com/wsl-keeps-getting-better-and-its-because-microsoft-is-finally-admitting-where-developers-want-to-be/> >>> >> It is also *probably* too little too late. > > Quote: > > ... Microsoft really does need to make its OS comfortable for > Linux developers to work in, because the alternative involves > people ditching Windows entirely. For Microsoft to maintain its > user base, it has to ensure that its operating system can do > everything better than its competitors, and if that includes > allowing people to code Linux apps instead of using its own tools, > then that's what it needs to do. > > But if what its operating system is supposedly “doing better than > competitors” is “running a Linux stack”, then pretty much by > definition, native Linux itself will always do that better than any > Windows-with-Linux-bag-hanging-off-the-side two-headed FrankenOS can > manage. That's the LOGICAL view. 'Consumers' don't see it that way. They've always used Winders and can't think outside that box.
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| From | "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-07-05 13:35 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <nautstFdqp7U2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #88656 |
On 2026-07-05 02:02, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
> On Sat, 4 Jul 2026 18:41:39 -0000 (UTC), Robert Heller wrote:
>
>>> <https://www.xda-developers.com/wsl-keeps-getting-better-and-its-because-microsoft-is-finally-admitting-where-developers-want-to-be/>
>>>
>> It is also *probably* too little too late.
>
> Quote:
>
> ... Microsoft really does need to make its OS comfortable for
> Linux developers to work in, because the alternative involves
> people ditching Windows entirely. For Microsoft to maintain its
> user base, it has to ensure that its operating system can do
> everything better than its competitors, and if that includes
> allowing people to code Linux apps instead of using its own tools,
> then that's what it needs to do.
>
> But if what its operating system is supposedly “doing better than
> competitors” is “running a Linux stack”, then pretty much by
> definition, native Linux itself will always do that better than any
> Windows-with-Linux-bag-hanging-off-the-side two-headed FrankenOS can
> manage.
Unless the user needs one of those applications that only exist for
Windows. For instance, some tax software for the USA.
--
Cheers,
Carlos E.R.
ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | Robert Heller <heller@deepsoft.com> |
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| Date | 2026-07-05 12:41 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: WSL keeps getting better, and it's because Microsoft is finally? admitting where developers want to be |
| Message-ID | <112djde$12pfm$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #88677 |
At Sun, 5 Jul 2026 13:35:57 +0200 "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote: > > On 2026-07-05 02:02, Lawrence DâOliveiro wrote: > > On Sat, 4 Jul 2026 18:41:39 -0000 (UTC), Robert Heller wrote: > > > >>> <https://www.xda-developers.com/wsl-keeps-getting-better-and-its-because-microsoft-is-finally-admitting-where-developers-want-to-be/> > >>> > >> It is also *probably* too little too late. > > > > Quote: > > > > ... Microsoft really does need to make its OS comfortable for > > Linux developers to work in, because the alternative involves > > people ditching Windows entirely. For Microsoft to maintain its > > user base, it has to ensure that its operating system can do > > everything better than its competitors, and if that includes > > allowing people to code Linux apps instead of using its own tools, > > then that's what it needs to do. > > > > But if what its operating system is supposedly "doing better than > > competitors" is "running a Linux stack", then pretty much by > > definition, native Linux itself will always do that better than any > > Windows-with-Linux-bag-hanging-off-the-side two-headed FrankenOS can > > manage. > > Unless the user needs one of those applications that only exist for > Windows. For instance, some tax software for the USA. Wondering if Microsoft is looking to do what Apple did with MacOSX -- move from their own propriatory kernel to an open source kernel (and base O/S infrastructure) with a propriatory GUI layer on top... The only "weirdness" (to me) about the WSL is why? Is microsoft trying to entice Linux user (partitularly developers) away from Linux? The WSL is not going to appeal to the "typical" MS-Windows user (or if the "typical" MS-Windows user starts using the WSL, they might decide to just install Linux and move on. Developers already on Linux are not going to install MS-Windows just to use WSL. And no, doing that just to build MS-Windows versions of Linux programs is not really a reason -- there exist tools to cross-build on Linux targeting MS-Windows. > > -- Robert Heller -- Cell: 413-658-7953 GV: 978-633-5364 Deepwoods Software -- Custom Software Services http://www.deepsoft.com/ -- Linux Administration Services heller@deepsoft.com -- Webhosting Services
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| From | "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-07-05 15:12 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: WSL keeps getting better, and it's because Microsoft is finally? admitting where developers want to be |
| Message-ID | <nav3icFdqp7U4@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #88679 |
On 2026-07-05 14:41, Robert Heller wrote:
> At Sun, 5 Jul 2026 13:35:57 +0200 "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>
>>
>> On 2026-07-05 02:02, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
>>> On Sat, 4 Jul 2026 18:41:39 -0000 (UTC), Robert Heller wrote:
>>>
>>>>> <https://www.xda-developers.com/wsl-keeps-getting-better-and-its-because-microsoft-is-finally-admitting-where-developers-want-to-be/>
>>>>>
>>>> It is also *probably* too little too late.
>>>
>>> Quote:
>>>
>>> ... Microsoft really does need to make its OS comfortable for
>>> Linux developers to work in, because the alternative involves
>>> people ditching Windows entirely. For Microsoft to maintain its
>>> user base, it has to ensure that its operating system can do
>>> everything better than its competitors, and if that includes
>>> allowing people to code Linux apps instead of using its own tools,
>>> then that's what it needs to do.
>>>
>>> But if what its operating system is supposedly "doing better than
>>> competitors" is "running a Linux stack", then pretty much by
>>> definition, native Linux itself will always do that better than any
>>> Windows-with-Linux-bag-hanging-off-the-side two-headed FrankenOS can
>>> manage.
>>
>> Unless the user needs one of those applications that only exist for
>> Windows. For instance, some tax software for the USA.
>
> Wondering if Microsoft is looking to do what Apple did with MacOSX -- move
> from their own propriatory kernel to an open source kernel (and base O/S
> infrastructure) with a propriatory GUI layer on top...
>
> The only "weirdness" (to me) about the WSL is why? Is microsoft trying to
> entice Linux user (partitularly developers) away from Linux? The WSL is not
> going to appeal to the "typical" MS-Windows user (or if the "typical"
> MS-Windows user starts using the WSL, they might decide to just install Linux
> and move on. Developers already on Linux are not going to install MS-Windows
> just to use WSL. And no, doing that just to build MS-Windows versions of Linux
> programs is not really a reason -- there exist tools to cross-build on Linux
> targeting MS-Windows.
Can they build applications that run on the WSL transparently? Just
click an icon on the desktop or a menu entry, and it fires away? Those
same applications could also run on Linux proper.
--
Cheers,
Carlos E.R.
ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | Robert Heller <heller@deepsoft.com> |
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| Date | 2026-07-05 13:55 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: WSL keeps getting better, and it's because Microsoft is finally?? admitting where developers want to be |
| Message-ID | <112dnpb$1494h$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #88681 |
At Sun, 5 Jul 2026 15:12:44 +0200 "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote: > > On 2026-07-05 14:41, Robert Heller wrote: > > At Sun, 5 Jul 2026 13:35:57 +0200 "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote: > > > >> > >> On 2026-07-05 02:02, Lawrence DâÃâ¬Ãâ¢Oliveiro wrote: > >>> On Sat, 4 Jul 2026 18:41:39 -0000 (UTC), Robert Heller wrote: > >>> > >>>>> <https://www.xda-developers.com/wsl-keeps-getting-better-and-its-because-microsoft-is-finally-admitting-where-developers-want-to-be/> > >>>>> > >>>> It is also *probably* too little too late. > >>> > >>> Quote: > >>> > >>> ... Microsoft really does need to make its OS comfortable for > >>> Linux developers to work in, because the alternative involves > >>> people ditching Windows entirely. For Microsoft to maintain its > >>> user base, it has to ensure that its operating system can do > >>> everything better than its competitors, and if that includes > >>> allowing people to code Linux apps instead of using its own tools, > >>> then that's what it needs to do. > >>> > >>> But if what its operating system is supposedly "doing better than > >>> competitors" is "running a Linux stack", then pretty much by > >>> definition, native Linux itself will always do that better than any > >>> Windows-with-Linux-bag-hanging-off-the-side two-headed FrankenOS can > >>> manage. > >> > >> Unless the user needs one of those applications that only exist for > >> Windows. For instance, some tax software for the USA. > > > > Wondering if Microsoft is looking to do what Apple did with MacOSX -- move > > from their own propriatory kernel to an open source kernel (and base O/S > > infrastructure) with a propriatory GUI layer on top... > > > > The only "weirdness" (to me) about the WSL is why? Is microsoft trying to > > entice Linux user (partitularly developers) away from Linux? The WSL is not > > going to appeal to the "typical" MS-Windows user (or if the "typical" > > MS-Windows user starts using the WSL, they might decide to just install Linux > > and move on. Developers already on Linux are not going to install MS-Windows > > just to use WSL. And no, doing that just to build MS-Windows versions of Linux > > programs is not really a reason -- there exist tools to cross-build on Linux > > targeting MS-Windows. > > Can they build applications that run on the WSL transparently? Just > click an icon on the desktop or a menu entry, and it fires away? Those > same applications could also run on Linux proper. It depends on the program load infrastructure. Eg is WSL on MS-Windows like WINE on Linux? (Does WSL provide a system call wrapper library?) Does the build tools under WSL produce Linux ELF binaries or native MS-Windows binaries (which is what the mingwin toolchain running under linux produces). It would of course be true that the WSL application *source code* would also build on a Linux machine and then run under Linux, Note: almost any non-GUI Linux utility will compile and run under MacOS, depending on the level of its dependency on specific O/S features and libraries. Actually any classic C program that just uses the base STDIO library will compile on Linux, MacOSX, and even MS-Windows (without any need for WSL). The produced *binaries* are of cource not "portable". > -- Robert Heller -- Cell: 413-658-7953 GV: 978-633-5364 Deepwoods Software -- Custom Software Services http://www.deepsoft.com/ -- Linux Administration Services heller@deepsoft.com -- Webhosting Services
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| From | Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-07-05 15:11 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: WSL keeps getting better, and it's because Microsoft is finally?? admitting where developers want to be |
| Message-ID | <wwvik6tle6j.fsf@LkoBDZeT.terraraq.uk> |
| In reply to | #88682 |
Robert Heller <heller@deepsoft.com> writes: > At Sun, 5 Jul 2026 15:12:44 +0200 "Carlos E. R." wrote: >> On 2026-07-05 14:41, Robert Heller wrote: >>> Wondering if Microsoft is looking to do what Apple did with MacOSX >>> -- move from their own propriatory kernel to an open source kernel >>> (and base O/S infrastructure) with a propriatory GUI layer on >>> top... Personally I doubt it. I don’t think they perceive any likely benefit from open-sourcing the Windows kernel, and inserting some other kernel under the Windows ABI seems like a great deal of work for dubious benefit. >>> The only "weirdness" (to me) about the WSL is why? Is microsoft >>> trying to entice Linux user (partitularly developers) away from >>> Linux? The WSL is not going to appeal to the "typical" MS-Windows >>> user (or if the "typical" MS-Windows user starts using the WSL, >>> they might decide to just install Linux and move on. Developers >>> already on Linux are not going to install MS-Windows just to use >>> WSL. And no, doing that just to build MS-Windows versions of Linux >>> programs is not really a reason -- there exist tools to cross-build >>> on Linux targeting MS-Windows. >> >> Can they build applications that run on the WSL transparently? Yes. Linux applications run transparently on the Windows desktop. >> Just click an icon on the desktop or a menu entry, and it fires away? You can make that work, yes. >> Those same applications could also run on Linux proper. WSL _is_ “Linux proper”, running in a VM. > It depends on the program load infrastructure. Eg is WSL on > MS-Windows like WINE on Linux? (Does WSL provide a system call > wrapper library?) No, it’s not like WINE. (The first version was somewhat ‘like WINE’, albeit emulating the target platform at a different layer. But that has been abandoned now; today WSL is Linux in a VM, with very good host integration.) > Does the build tools under WSL produce Linux ELF binaries or native > MS-Windows binaries (which is what the mingwin toolchain running under > linux produces). It would of course be true that the WSL application > *source code* would also build on a Linux machine and then run under > Linux, It’s just Linux, executables are built using exactly the same versions of exactly the same tools you use on Ubuntu, Debian, etc. -- https://www.greenend.org.uk/rjk/
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-07-05 18:49 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: WSL keeps getting better, and it's because Microsoft is finally?? admitting where developers want to be |
| Message-ID | <navn9fFhh1qU4@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #88683 |
On Sun, 05 Jul 2026 15:11:00 +0100, Richard Kettlewell wrote: > (The first version was somewhat ‘like WINE’, albeit emulating the target > platform at a different layer. But that has been abandoned now; today > WSL is Linux in a VM, with very good host integration.) If you install Docker Desktop on Windows it goes looking for a WSL instance. I think you can make it use Hyper-V but that isn't the first choice.
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-07-05 18:47 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: WSL keeps getting better, and it's because Microsoft is finally? admitting where developers want to be |
| Message-ID | <navn59Fhh1qU3@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #88681 |
On Sun, 5 Jul 2026 15:12:44 +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote: > Can they build applications that run on the WSL transparently? Just > click an icon on the desktop or a menu entry, and it fires away? Those > same applications could also run on Linux proper. I haven't used WSL in a year of so but I believe they've made the process easier. https://granule.medium.com/wsl2-gui-app-shortcuts-in-windows-with-wslg- fcc66d3134e7 WSL is a fast moving target. In the earlier iterations if you wanted a GUI you have to install a third party X server and get it running. Unlike many Microsoft enthusiasms the WSL project seems to have staying power.
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-07-05 18:39 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: WSL keeps getting better, and it's because Microsoft is finally? admitting where developers want to be |
| Message-ID | <navmmhFhh1qU2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #88679 |
On Sun, 5 Jul 2026 12:41:18 -0000 (UTC), Robert Heller wrote: > The only "weirdness" (to me) about the WSL is why? Is microsoft trying > to entice Linux user (partitularly developers) away from Linux? The WSL > is not going to appeal to the "typical" MS-Windows user (or if the > "typical" > MS-Windows user starts using the WSL, they might decide to just install > Linux and move on. Developers already on Linux are not going to install > MS-Windows just to use WSL. And no, doing that just to build MS-Windows > versions of Linux programs is not really a reason -- there exist tools > to cross-build on Linux targeting MS-Windows. A real use case: The wifi service available at shows is expensive and often not very reliable. Maps assume you are downloading tiles from a tile server, in our case Esri. You sued to be able to see the tiles assembling with a slow connection as each tile of the basemap was downloaded and rendered. The marketing people were firmly rooted in Windows so the demo setup was installed on their laptops so they could do the dog and pony show, but displaying the map was problematic with crappy wifi. https://switch2osm.org/serving-tiles/manually-building-a-tile-server- debian-13/ Building a tile server is a well documented path -- for Linux distors. In theory PostGIS, Mapnik, and so forth are available on Windows and you could possibly set up the server but there would be a lot of cut'n'try. I'd recently purchased a Beelink mini for my own use and originally thought about using one for the tile server. Given the budget for trade shows, $350 was noise. However that would be one more piece of gear to be shipped to the show and set up. Marketing always goes through many practice sessions so the show will go smoothly. Not. I created a WSL instance on a marketing laptop, gathered the data for the PA county that matched the demo data, and hooked it up. MS actually has improved the IP connections between the Windows and WSL sections but that was the hardest part. The result was one laptop completely set up so all the marketing people had to do was turn it on and plug in the external monitors. If they didn't lose them along the way. I'm sure there are more cases. On AWS a Linux instance is much cheaper than a Windows one so it's cheaper to run everything that can be done on Linux. During the development phase it's convenient to simulate the cloud locally and that can often be done with WSL.
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