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IBM - New SUB-Nanometer STACKED Chip

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  IBM - New SUB-Nanometer STACKED Chip c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-28 00:36 -0400
    [HK01]IBM研發首款0.7nm晶片 指甲大小塞滿1000億電晶體 效能飆升50% "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2026-06-29 00:01 +0800
    Re: IBM - New SUB-Nanometer STACKED Chip Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-06-28 18:09 +0000
      Re: IBM - New SUB-Nanometer STACKED Chip "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2026-06-29 13:11 +0800
        Re: IBM - New SUB-Nanometer STACKED Chip c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-29 01:39 -0400
          Re: IBM - New SUB-Nanometer STACKED Chip "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2026-06-29 19:20 +0800
            Re: IBM - New SUB-Nanometer STACKED Chip The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-29 12:57 +0100
            Re: IBM - New SUB-Nanometer STACKED Chip c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-30 05:14 -0400
              Re: IBM - New SUB-Nanometer STACKED Chip "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2026-06-30 21:51 +0800
                Re: IBM - New SUB-Nanometer STACKED Chip c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-30 12:06 -0400
                  Re: IBM - New SUB-Nanometer STACKED Chip Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-06-30 18:51 +0000
                    Re: IBM - New SUB-Nanometer STACKED Chip Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-06-30 17:58 -0400
                      Re: IBM - New SUB-Nanometer STACKED Chip c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-01 01:15 -0400
                        Re: IBM - New SUB-Nanometer STACKED Chip The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-01 10:15 +0100
                    Re: IBM - New SUB-Nanometer STACKED Chip rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-30 23:51 +0000
                      Re: IBM - New SUB-Nanometer STACKED Chip c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-01 03:16 -0400
                        Re: IBM - New SUB-Nanometer STACKED Chip The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-01 10:05 +0100
                          Re: IBM - New SUB-Nanometer STACKED Chip rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-01 17:43 +0000
                            Re: IBM - New SUB-Nanometer STACKED Chip The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-01 20:23 +0100
                              Re: IBM - New SUB-Nanometer STACKED Chip rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-02 01:57 +0000
                                Re: IBM - New SUB-Nanometer STACKED Chip c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-02 16:48 -0400
                                  Re: IBM - New SUB-Nanometer STACKED Chip rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-02 21:32 +0000
                                    Re: IBM - New SUB-Nanometer STACKED Chip c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-02 18:15 -0400
                                  Re: IBM - New SUB-Nanometer STACKED Chip The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-03 11:03 +0100
                                    Re: IBM - New SUB-Nanometer STACKED Chip c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-04 09:32 -0400
                                      Re: IBM - New SUB-Nanometer STACKED Chip Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-07-04 17:06 +0000
                                        Re: IBM - New SUB-Nanometer STACKED Chip "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-07-04 19:24 +0200
                                        Re: IBM - New SUB-Nanometer STACKED Chip rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-04 18:20 +0000
                                        Re: IBM - New SUB-Nanometer STACKED Chip c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-04 23:37 -0400
                                      Re: IBM - New SUB-Nanometer STACKED Chip The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-04 19:20 +0100
                                        Re: IBM - New SUB-Nanometer STACKED Chip Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-07-04 20:28 +0000
                                          Re: IBM - New SUB-Nanometer STACKED Chip rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-04 20:47 +0000
                                          Re: IBM - New SUB-Nanometer STACKED Chip Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-05 00:33 +0100
                                        Re: IBM - New SUB-Nanometer STACKED Chip rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-04 20:42 +0000
                                          Re: IBM - New SUB-Nanometer STACKED Chip c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-04 23:51 -0400
                                            Re: IBM - New SUB-Nanometer STACKED Chip rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-05 06:57 +0000
                                        Re: IBM - New SUB-Nanometer STACKED Chip c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-04 23:45 -0400
                                          Re: IBM - New SUB-Nanometer STACKED Chip The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-05 10:49 +0100
                    Re: IBM - New SUB-Nanometer STACKED Chip c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-01 00:48 -0400
                  Re: IBM - New SUB-Nanometer STACKED Chip rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-30 23:45 +0000
                    Re: IBM - New SUB-Nanometer.... physics? "quantum"? "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2026-07-01 12:24 +0800
                    Re: IBM - New SUB-Nanometer STACKED Chip c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-01 03:13 -0400
                      Re: IBM - New SUB .... quantum mechanics is quantitative philiosphy? "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2026-07-01 15:29 +0800
                        Re: IBM - New SUB .... quantum mechanics is quantitative philiosphy? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-01 04:22 -0400
                          Re: IBM - New SUB .... quantum mechanics is quantitative philiosphy? "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2026-07-01 23:41 +0800
                            Re: IBM - New SUB .... quantum mechanics is quantitative philiosphy? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-02 01:56 -0400
                              Re: IBM - New SUB .... quantum mechanics is FLAT? "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2026-07-02 14:04 +0800
                                Re: IBM - New SUB .... quantum mechanics is FLAT? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-02 16:50 -0400
                                  Re: IBM - New SUB .... quantum mechanics is FLAT? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-02 21:26 +0000
                                    Re: IBM - New SUB .... quantum mechanics is FLAT? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-02 18:11 -0400
                  Re: IBM - New SUB-Nanometer STACKED Chip Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-06-30 22:09 -0400
                    Re: IBM - New SUB-Nanometer STACKED Chip c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-01 03:29 -0400
                      Re: IBM - New SUB-Nanometer STACKED Chip The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-01 10:11 +0100
                    Re: IBM - New SUB-Nanometer STACKED Chip The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-01 10:08 +0100
              Re: IBM - New SUB-Nanometer STACKED Chip The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-30 16:27 +0100
                Re: IBM - New SUB-Nanometer STACKED Chip c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-30 12:18 -0400
                  Re: IBM - New SUB-Nanometer STACKED Chip The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-30 17:32 +0100
                    Re: IBM - New SUB-Nanometer STACKED Chip rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-30 23:40 +0000
                      Re: IBM - New SUB-Nanometer STACKED Chip c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-01 02:53 -0400
                      Re: IBM - New SUB-Nanometer STACKED Chip The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-01 10:01 +0100
                    Re: IBM - New SUB-Nanometer STACKED Chip c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-01 00:17 -0400
                  Re: IBM - New SUB-Nanometer STACKED Chip rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-30 23:37 +0000
                    Re: IBM - New SUB-Nanometer STACKED Chip c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-01 02:33 -0400
                Re: IBM - New SUB-Nanometer STACKED Chip rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-30 23:28 +0000
                  Re: IBM - New SUB-Nanometer STACKED Chip c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-07-01 02:04 -0400
                    Re: IBM - New SUB-Nanometer STACKED Chip Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-07-01 04:33 -0400
      Re: IBM - New SUB-Nanometer STACKED Chip c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-29 01:34 -0400

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#88595

Fromc186282 <c186282@nnada.net>
Date2026-07-02 16:48 -0400
Message-ID<8wudnX-VBPJfU9v3nZ2dnZfqn_udnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#88590
On 7/1/26 21:57, rbowman wrote:
> On Wed, 1 Jul 2026 20:23:30 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> 
>> On 01/07/2026 18:43, rbowman wrote:
>>> On Wed, 1 Jul 2026 10:05:05 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>
>>>> Moses realized that giving them some relatively harmless shit would
>>>> stop a lot of argument.
>>>
>>> His shit proved to be anything but harmless.
>>
>> Well that of courses is your take. He couldnt see the rise of the
>> American Bigot back then in the bronze age.
> 
> https://www.biblestudytools.com/exodus/32.html
> 
> "So he stood at the entrance to the camp and said, “Whoever is for the
> LORD, come to me.” And all the Levites rallied to him.
> 27 Then he said to them, “This is what the LORD, the God of Israel, says:
> ‘Each man strap a sword to his side. Go back and forth through the camp
> from one end to the other, each killing his brother and friend and
> neighbor.’ ”
> 28 The Levites did as Moses commanded, and that day about three thousand
> of the people died."
> 
> 
> And that's before the genocide of anybody living in the the area their
> tribal god supposedly promised to them but it's after the little adventure
> in Egypt.
> 
> Read that one again and think about what it's really saying. Get sent to
> Egypt as a slave, work your way up to a position of power with some hocus
> pocus. Send home to you tribe and tell them to come on over the pickings
> are good. Corner the grain market and then when the crops fail trade it
> back to the people you stole it from for their land and any cash they
> have.
> 
> When the natives finally get pissed, have your tribal god send a few
> plagues and so forth. The steal everything that isn't tied down, I think
> the biblical term is despoil, and beat feet.
> 
> I've read Buddhist, Hindu, Confucian, Tao, Greek and other literature but
> most people don't write their sacred book about what a bunch of pricks
> they are.
> 
> The Christians could have made a clean break but waffled. Islam is a
> Christian heresy for people who can't wrap their mind around trinitarian
> doctrine.
> 
> And here we are now, SSDD.


   Wow dude ! Still pissed because you never got
   your letter from Hogwarts ???  :-)

   People believe all kinds of ridiculous things.
   Not gonna spit poison at them. If you have a
   prob with one/some/all religions then just
   smile and ignore. Nothing else to do about it
   and usually nothing that SHOULD be "done" -
   or do you propose putting the sword to all
   not exactly in YOUR little faction as per
   your abovementioned Moses faction ?

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#88599

Fromrbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Date2026-07-02 21:32 +0000
Message-ID<nao3nuFbr3tU2@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#88595
On Thu, 2 Jul 2026 16:48:56 -0400, c186282 wrote:

>   People believe all kinds of ridiculous things.
>    Not gonna spit poison at them. If you have a prob with one/some/all
>    religions then just smile and ignore. Nothing else to do about it and
>    usually nothing that SHOULD be "done" - or do you propose putting the
>    sword to all not exactly in YOUR little faction as per your
>    abovementioned Moses faction ?

It's hard to smile and ignore religion when the US is pouring billions and 
lives into a situation based on religion. Do you think Huckabee would take 
the same stand were he not a Christian Zionist? 

I'm not even going into the Thirty Years War when the supposed Christians 
disagreed on doctrinal points or the way Islam spread its teachings.

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#88601

Fromc186282 <c186282@nnada.net>
Date2026-07-02 18:15 -0400
Message-ID<txSdncEfFfqcftv3nZ2dnZfqnPednZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#88599
On 7/2/26 17:32, rbowman wrote:
> On Thu, 2 Jul 2026 16:48:56 -0400, c186282 wrote:
> 
>>    People believe all kinds of ridiculous things.
>>     Not gonna spit poison at them. If you have a prob with one/some/all
>>     religions then just smile and ignore. Nothing else to do about it and
>>     usually nothing that SHOULD be "done" - or do you propose putting the
>>     sword to all not exactly in YOUR little faction as per your
>>     abovementioned Moses faction ?
> 
> It's hard to smile and ignore religion when the US is pouring billions and
> lives into a situation based on religion. Do you think Huckabee would take
> the same stand were he not a Christian Zionist?

   If anything BUT a Shia fanatic then he'd better ...

> I'm not even going into the Thirty Years War when the supposed Christians
> disagreed on doctrinal points or the way Islam spread its teachings.

   Good. Not worth it.

   People ALWAYS find a 'reason' to hate "Them".

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#88605

FromThe Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Date2026-07-03 11:03 +0100
Message-ID<11281e1$3aa84$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#88595
On 02/07/2026 21:48, c186282 wrote:
> On 7/1/26 21:57, rbowman wrote:
>> On Wed, 1 Jul 2026 20:23:30 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>
>>> On 01/07/2026 18:43, rbowman wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 1 Jul 2026 10:05:05 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Moses realized that giving them some relatively harmless shit would
>>>>> stop a lot of argument.
>>>>
>>>> His shit proved to be anything but harmless.
>>>
>>> Well that of courses is your take. He couldnt see the rise of the
>>> American Bigot back then in the bronze age.
>>
>> https://www.biblestudytools.com/exodus/32.html
>>
>> "So he stood at the entrance to the camp and said, “Whoever is for the
>> LORD, come to me.” And all the Levites rallied to him.
>> 27 Then he said to them, “This is what the LORD, the God of Israel, says:
>> ‘Each man strap a sword to his side. Go back and forth through the camp
>> from one end to the other, each killing his brother and friend and
>> neighbor.’ ”
>> 28 The Levites did as Moses commanded, and that day about three thousand
>> of the people died."
>>
>>
>> And that's before the genocide of anybody living in the the area their
>> tribal god supposedly promised to them but it's after the little 
>> adventure
>> in Egypt.
>>
>> Read that one again and think about what it's really saying. Get sent to
>> Egypt as a slave, work your way up to a position of power with some hocus
>> pocus. Send home to you tribe and tell them to come on over the pickings
>> are good. Corner the grain market and then when the crops fail trade it
>> back to the people you stole it from for their land and any cash they
>> have.
>>
>> When the natives finally get pissed, have your tribal god send a few
>> plagues and so forth. The steal everything that isn't tied down, I think
>> the biblical term is despoil, and beat feet.
>>
>> I've read Buddhist, Hindu, Confucian, Tao, Greek and other literature but
>> most people don't write their sacred book about what a bunch of pricks
>> they are.
>>
>> The Christians could have made a clean break but waffled. Islam is a
>> Christian heresy for people who can't wrap their mind around trinitarian
>> doctrine.
>>
>> And here we are now, SSDD.
> 
> 
>    Wow dude ! Still pissed because you never got
>    your letter from Hogwarts ???  :-)
> 
>    People believe all kinds of ridiculous things.
>    Not gonna spit poison at them. If you have a
>    prob with one/some/all religions then just
>    smile and ignore. Nothing else to do about it
>    and usually nothing that SHOULD be "done" -
>    or do you propose putting the sword to all
>    not exactly in YOUR little faction as per
>    your abovementioned Moses faction ?
> 
I was just thinking how remarkably similar to a Bronze Age Trump Moses was.


-- 
Karl Marx said religion is the opium of the people.
But Marxism is the crack cocaine.

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#88638

Fromc186282 <c186282@nnada.net>
Date2026-07-04 09:32 -0400
Message-ID<2QmdnQvrFsvpltT3nZ2dnZfqn_idnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#88605
On 7/3/26 06:03, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 02/07/2026 21:48, c186282 wrote:
>> On 7/1/26 21:57, rbowman wrote:
>>> On Wed, 1 Jul 2026 20:23:30 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 01/07/2026 18:43, rbowman wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 1 Jul 2026 10:05:05 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Moses realized that giving them some relatively harmless shit would
>>>>>> stop a lot of argument.
>>>>>
>>>>> His shit proved to be anything but harmless.
>>>>
>>>> Well that of courses is your take. He couldnt see the rise of the
>>>> American Bigot back then in the bronze age.
>>>
>>> https://www.biblestudytools.com/exodus/32.html
>>>
>>> "So he stood at the entrance to the camp and said, “Whoever is for the
>>> LORD, come to me.” And all the Levites rallied to him.
>>> 27 Then he said to them, “This is what the LORD, the God of Israel, 
>>> says:
>>> ‘Each man strap a sword to his side. Go back and forth through the camp
>>> from one end to the other, each killing his brother and friend and
>>> neighbor.’ ”
>>> 28 The Levites did as Moses commanded, and that day about three thousand
>>> of the people died."
>>>
>>>
>>> And that's before the genocide of anybody living in the the area their
>>> tribal god supposedly promised to them but it's after the little 
>>> adventure
>>> in Egypt.
>>>
>>> Read that one again and think about what it's really saying. Get sent to
>>> Egypt as a slave, work your way up to a position of power with some 
>>> hocus
>>> pocus. Send home to you tribe and tell them to come on over the pickings
>>> are good. Corner the grain market and then when the crops fail trade it
>>> back to the people you stole it from for their land and any cash they
>>> have.
>>>
>>> When the natives finally get pissed, have your tribal god send a few
>>> plagues and so forth. The steal everything that isn't tied down, I think
>>> the biblical term is despoil, and beat feet.
>>>
>>> I've read Buddhist, Hindu, Confucian, Tao, Greek and other literature 
>>> but
>>> most people don't write their sacred book about what a bunch of pricks
>>> they are.
>>>
>>> The Christians could have made a clean break but waffled. Islam is a
>>> Christian heresy for people who can't wrap their mind around trinitarian
>>> doctrine.
>>>
>>> And here we are now, SSDD.
>>
>>
>>    Wow dude ! Still pissed because you never got
>>    your letter from Hogwarts ???  :-)
>>
>>    People believe all kinds of ridiculous things.
>>    Not gonna spit poison at them. If you have a
>>    prob with one/some/all religions then just
>>    smile and ignore. Nothing else to do about it
>>    and usually nothing that SHOULD be "done" -
>>    or do you propose putting the sword to all
>>    not exactly in YOUR little faction as per
>>    your abovementioned Moses faction ?
>>
> I was just thinking how remarkably similar to a Bronze Age Trump Moses was.


   At least Trump doesn't claim to get orders
   directly from Yaweh  :-)

   Trump IS a 'charismatic leader' - hardly the
   first or last. Would you prefer boring bcrats
   and functionaries instead - incapable of
   doing anything or unifying anyone ?

   Hey, we can re-elect "W" !

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#88641

FromCharlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>
Date2026-07-04 17:06 +0000
Message-ID<x4b2S.41464$5LBb.12235@fx34.iad>
In reply to#88638
On 2026-07-04, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote:

> On 7/3/26 06:03, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>
>> I was just thinking how remarkably similar to a Bronze Age Trump Moses was.
>
>    At least Trump doesn't claim to get orders
>    directly from Yaweh  :-)
>
>    Trump IS a 'charismatic leader' - hardly the
>    first or last. Would you prefer boring bcrats
>    and functionaries instead - incapable of
>    doing anything or unifying anyone ?

Yes!  If I were in a boat drifting aimlessly down
a river toward a waterfall I'd rather not fire up
the motor and drive full speed toward the edge.

>    Hey, we can re-elect "W" !

We're all gonna party like it's 1933...

-- 
/~\  Charlie Gibbs                  |  No artificial
\ /  <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>      |  intelligence was
 X   I'm really at ac.dekanfrus     |  used in the creation
/ \  if you read it the right way.  |  of this post.

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#88642

From"Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>
Date2026-07-04 19:24 +0200
Message-ID<nasttmFra8U1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#88641
On 2026-07-04 19:06, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
> On 2026-07-04, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote:
> 
>> On 7/3/26 06:03, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>
>>> I was just thinking how remarkably similar to a Bronze Age Trump Moses was.
>>
>>     At least Trump doesn't claim to get orders
>>     directly from Yaweh  :-)
>>
>>     Trump IS a 'charismatic leader' - hardly the
>>     first or last. Would you prefer boring bcrats
>>     and functionaries instead - incapable of
>>     doing anything or unifying anyone ?
> 
> Yes!  If I were in a boat drifting aimlessly down
> a river toward a waterfall I'd rather not fire up
> the motor and drive full speed toward the edge.

Yes, if you can call the military to bomb the waterfall out of existence 
in time, and don't TACO! :-P

> 
>>     Hey, we can re-elect "W" !
> 
> We're all gonna party like it's 1933...
> 


-- 
Cheers,
        Carlos E.R.
        ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;

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#88645

Fromrbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Date2026-07-04 18:20 +0000
Message-ID<nat181F3l9vU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#88641
On Sat, 04 Jul 2026 17:06:37 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:

> On 2026-07-04, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote:
> 
>> On 7/3/26 06:03, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>
>>> I was just thinking how remarkably similar to a Bronze Age Trump Moses
>>> was.
>>
>>    At least Trump doesn't claim to get orders directly from Yaweh  :-)
>>
>>    Trump IS a 'charismatic leader' - hardly the first or last. Would
>>    you prefer boring bcrats and functionaries instead - incapable of
>>    doing anything or unifying anyone ?
> 
> Yes!  If I were in a boat drifting aimlessly down a river toward a
> waterfall I'd rather not fire up the motor and drive full speed toward
> the edge.
> 
>>    Hey, we can re-elect "W" !
> 
> We're all gonna party like it's 1933...

23 March 1933?  Trump is hardly a good example but assume there was a 
president with the greatest ideas in the world. When trying to implement 
those ideas his own party sabotaged the efforts and if he did succeed in 
accomplishing anything some piss ant judge would throw a wrench in the 
works.

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#88658

Fromc186282 <c186282@nnada.net>
Date2026-07-04 23:37 -0400
Message-ID<53udnevCnuf-TNT3nZ2dnZfqn_idnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#88641
On 7/4/26 13:06, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
> On 2026-07-04, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote:
> 
>> On 7/3/26 06:03, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>
>>> I was just thinking how remarkably similar to a Bronze Age Trump Moses was.
>>
>>     At least Trump doesn't claim to get orders
>>     directly from Yaweh  :-)
>>
>>     Trump IS a 'charismatic leader' - hardly the
>>     first or last. Would you prefer boring bcrats
>>     and functionaries instead - incapable of
>>     doing anything or unifying anyone ?
> 
> Yes!  If I were in a boat drifting aimlessly down
> a river toward a waterfall I'd rather not fire up
> the motor and drive full speed toward the edge.
> 
>>     Hey, we can re-elect "W" !
> 
> We're all gonna party like it's 1933...

   Yay ! "Puttin' On The Ritz" !  :-)

   Even in '33 our prospects for the future
   were MUCH better than anything the pinkos
   had to offer.

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#88644

FromThe Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Date2026-07-04 19:20 +0100
Message-ID<112bisl$bmcq$6@dont-email.me>
In reply to#88638
On 04/07/2026 14:32, c186282 wrote:
> On 7/3/26 06:03, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>> On 02/07/2026 21:48, c186282 wrote:
>>> On 7/1/26 21:57, rbowman wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 1 Jul 2026 20:23:30 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 01/07/2026 18:43, rbowman wrote:
>>>>>> On Wed, 1 Jul 2026 10:05:05 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Moses realized that giving them some relatively harmless shit would
>>>>>>> stop a lot of argument.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> His shit proved to be anything but harmless.
>>>>>
>>>>> Well that of courses is your take. He couldnt see the rise of the
>>>>> American Bigot back then in the bronze age.
>>>>
>>>> https://www.biblestudytools.com/exodus/32.html
>>>>
>>>> "So he stood at the entrance to the camp and said, “Whoever is for the
>>>> LORD, come to me.” And all the Levites rallied to him.
>>>> 27 Then he said to them, “This is what the LORD, the God of Israel, 
>>>> says:
>>>> ‘Each man strap a sword to his side. Go back and forth through the camp
>>>> from one end to the other, each killing his brother and friend and
>>>> neighbor.’ ”
>>>> 28 The Levites did as Moses commanded, and that day about three 
>>>> thousand
>>>> of the people died."
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> And that's before the genocide of anybody living in the the area their
>>>> tribal god supposedly promised to them but it's after the little 
>>>> adventure
>>>> in Egypt.
>>>>
>>>> Read that one again and think about what it's really saying. Get 
>>>> sent to
>>>> Egypt as a slave, work your way up to a position of power with some 
>>>> hocus
>>>> pocus. Send home to you tribe and tell them to come on over the 
>>>> pickings
>>>> are good. Corner the grain market and then when the crops fail trade it
>>>> back to the people you stole it from for their land and any cash they
>>>> have.
>>>>
>>>> When the natives finally get pissed, have your tribal god send a few
>>>> plagues and so forth. The steal everything that isn't tied down, I 
>>>> think
>>>> the biblical term is despoil, and beat feet.
>>>>
>>>> I've read Buddhist, Hindu, Confucian, Tao, Greek and other 
>>>> literature but
>>>> most people don't write their sacred book about what a bunch of pricks
>>>> they are.
>>>>
>>>> The Christians could have made a clean break but waffled. Islam is a
>>>> Christian heresy for people who can't wrap their mind around 
>>>> trinitarian
>>>> doctrine.
>>>>
>>>> And here we are now, SSDD.
>>>
>>>
>>>    Wow dude ! Still pissed because you never got
>>>    your letter from Hogwarts ???  :-)
>>>
>>>    People believe all kinds of ridiculous things.
>>>    Not gonna spit poison at them. If you have a
>>>    prob with one/some/all religions then just
>>>    smile and ignore. Nothing else to do about it
>>>    and usually nothing that SHOULD be "done" -
>>>    or do you propose putting the sword to all
>>>    not exactly in YOUR little faction as per
>>>    your abovementioned Moses faction ?
>>>
>> I was just thinking how remarkably similar to a Bronze Age Trump Moses 
>> was.
> 
> 
>    At least Trump doesn't claim to get orders
>    directly from Yaweh  :-)
> 
Just Netanyahu and Putin...

>    Trump IS a 'charismatic leader' - hardly the
>    first or last. Would you prefer boring bcrats
>    and functionaries instead - incapable of
>    doing anything or unifying anyone ?
> 
Id prefer quiet competence and a small state.

>    Hey, we can re-elect "W" !
> 
WTF is 'W'?
Winnie the Pooh?

-- 
"A point of view can be a dangerous luxury when substituted for insight 
and understanding".

Marshall McLuhan

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#88648

FromRich <rich@example.invalid>
Date2026-07-04 20:28 +0000
Message-ID<112bqd4$ejoj$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#88644
The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> On 04/07/2026 14:32, c186282 wrote:
>>    Hey, we can re-elect "W" !
>> 
> WTF is 'W'?
> Winnie the Pooh?

Shorthand for George Herbert Walker Bush (i.e., George Bush number 
one).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Herbert_Walker_Bush

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#88650

Fromrbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Date2026-07-04 20:47 +0000
Message-ID<nat9qkF3l9vU4@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#88648
On Sat, 4 Jul 2026 20:28:20 -0000 (UTC), Rich wrote:

> The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>> On 04/07/2026 14:32, c186282 wrote:
>>>    Hey, we can re-elect "W" !
>>> 
>> WTF is 'W'?
>> Winnie the Pooh?
> 
> Shorthand for George Herbert Walker Bush (i.e., George Bush number one).
> 
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Herbert_Walker_Bush

Wrong Bush. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_W._Bush

His legacy lives on with Roberts who is slightly to the left of 
Sotomayor. 

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#88653

FromNuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid>
Date2026-07-05 00:33 +0100
Message-ID<112c58r$jjdb$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#88648
On 2026-07-04, Rich wrote:

> The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>> On 04/07/2026 14:32, c186282 wrote:
>>>    Hey, we can re-elect "W" !
>>> 
>> WTF is 'W'?
>> Winnie the Pooh?
>
> Shorthand for George Herbert Walker Bush (i.e., George Bush number 
> one).
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Herbert_Walker_Bush

<https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Dubya>

-- 
Nuno Silva

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#88649

Fromrbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Date2026-07-04 20:42 +0000
Message-ID<nat9h2F3l9vU3@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#88644
On Sat, 4 Jul 2026 19:20:05 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> WTF is 'W'?
> Winnie the Pooh?

Close. George W. Bush. I'll confess to voting for him in 2000 since the 
other choices were Fat Albert Gore and Nader. Then the asshole attacked 
the wrong country based on bullshit. I had enough bullshit to last with 
LBJ.

I should have known better since he was the spawn of George H.W. Bush, 
smarmy, effete son of Prescott Bush, who was the son of sme bitch.

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#88660

Fromc186282 <c186282@nnada.net>
Date2026-07-04 23:51 -0400
Message-ID<r5ucndYIMqYmSdT3nZ2dnZfqn_udnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#88649
On 7/4/26 16:42, rbowman wrote:
> On Sat, 4 Jul 2026 19:20:05 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> 
>> WTF is 'W'?
>> Winnie the Pooh?
> 
> Close. George W. Bush. 
   Actually GHW Bush  :-)

   Anyway, if they don't know even THAT ... don't
   inform them - just empowers their insanity. It
   also means they're floating in a historical
   interstellar void - don't know where they've come
   from, ergo have NO idea where they're going.

   Trump was right to nuke the Dept of Anti-Education.
   Maybe too late alas ...

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#88665

Fromrbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Date2026-07-05 06:57 +0000
Message-ID<naudj6F8gquU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#88660
On Sat, 4 Jul 2026 23:51:13 -0400, c186282 wrote:

> On 7/4/26 16:42, rbowman wrote:
>> On Sat, 4 Jul 2026 19:20:05 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>> 
>>> WTF is 'W'? Winnie the Pooh?
>> 
>> Close. George W. Bush.
>    Actually GHW Bush

https://www.dictionary.com/culture/politics/dubya

When you're wrong you're wrong. 

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#88659

Fromc186282 <c186282@nnada.net>
Date2026-07-04 23:45 -0400
Message-ID<53udnerCnuf3TtT3nZ2dnZfqn_idnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#88644
On 7/4/26 14:20, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 04/07/2026 14:32, c186282 wrote:
>> On 7/3/26 06:03, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>> On 02/07/2026 21:48, c186282 wrote:
>>>> On 7/1/26 21:57, rbowman wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 1 Jul 2026 20:23:30 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 01/07/2026 18:43, rbowman wrote:
>>>>>>> On Wed, 1 Jul 2026 10:05:05 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Moses realized that giving them some relatively harmless shit would
>>>>>>>> stop a lot of argument.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> His shit proved to be anything but harmless.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Well that of courses is your take. He couldnt see the rise of the
>>>>>> American Bigot back then in the bronze age.
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.biblestudytools.com/exodus/32.html
>>>>>
>>>>> "So he stood at the entrance to the camp and said, “Whoever is for the
>>>>> LORD, come to me.” And all the Levites rallied to him.
>>>>> 27 Then he said to them, “This is what the LORD, the God of Israel, 
>>>>> says:
>>>>> ‘Each man strap a sword to his side. Go back and forth through the 
>>>>> camp
>>>>> from one end to the other, each killing his brother and friend and
>>>>> neighbor.’ ”
>>>>> 28 The Levites did as Moses commanded, and that day about three 
>>>>> thousand
>>>>> of the people died."
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> And that's before the genocide of anybody living in the the area their
>>>>> tribal god supposedly promised to them but it's after the little 
>>>>> adventure
>>>>> in Egypt.
>>>>>
>>>>> Read that one again and think about what it's really saying. Get 
>>>>> sent to
>>>>> Egypt as a slave, work your way up to a position of power with some 
>>>>> hocus
>>>>> pocus. Send home to you tribe and tell them to come on over the 
>>>>> pickings
>>>>> are good. Corner the grain market and then when the crops fail 
>>>>> trade it
>>>>> back to the people you stole it from for their land and any cash they
>>>>> have.
>>>>>
>>>>> When the natives finally get pissed, have your tribal god send a few
>>>>> plagues and so forth. The steal everything that isn't tied down, I 
>>>>> think
>>>>> the biblical term is despoil, and beat feet.
>>>>>
>>>>> I've read Buddhist, Hindu, Confucian, Tao, Greek and other 
>>>>> literature but
>>>>> most people don't write their sacred book about what a bunch of pricks
>>>>> they are.
>>>>>
>>>>> The Christians could have made a clean break but waffled. Islam is a
>>>>> Christian heresy for people who can't wrap their mind around 
>>>>> trinitarian
>>>>> doctrine.
>>>>>
>>>>> And here we are now, SSDD.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>    Wow dude ! Still pissed because you never got
>>>>    your letter from Hogwarts ???  :-)
>>>>
>>>>    People believe all kinds of ridiculous things.
>>>>    Not gonna spit poison at them. If you have a
>>>>    prob with one/some/all religions then just
>>>>    smile and ignore. Nothing else to do about it
>>>>    and usually nothing that SHOULD be "done" -
>>>>    or do you propose putting the sword to all
>>>>    not exactly in YOUR little faction as per
>>>>    your abovementioned Moses faction ?
>>>>
>>> I was just thinking how remarkably similar to a Bronze Age Trump 
>>> Moses was.
>>
>>
>>    At least Trump doesn't claim to get orders
>>    directly from Yaweh  :-)
>>
> Just Netanyahu and Putin...

   Alas, kinda true.

   Bebe ... DO note his bad political position.
   The EXTREME factions have a LOT of power there
   and basically want to nuke anything and anyone
   who are not ultra-Zionists. Bebe has to walk a
   narrow line - lest it all spin out of control.

   Putin, well, seems to think HE is the only one
   privy to the Thoughts Of Gawd. We've seen people
   like that before - but they didn't have a huge
   army or nuclear arsenal.

>>    Trump IS a 'charismatic leader' - hardly the
>>    first or last. Would you prefer boring bcrats
>>    and functionaries instead - incapable of
>>    doing anything or unifying anyone ?
>>
> Id prefer quiet competence and a small state.

   "Quiet competence" doesn't get it DONE. Gotta
   be Out Front - or ELSE.

   As for a "small state" - while I'd kinda LIKE that
   I'm just not sure it's viable anymore - more an
   1800s agri-nation sentiment.

>>    Hey, we can re-elect "W" !
>>
> WTF is 'W'?
> Winnie the Pooh?

   Wow .........

   Ultra-Revisionist 'history' classes eh ?

   How can you plot a path to The Future if you don't
   even know where you've BEEN, even recently ???

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#88670

FromThe Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Date2026-07-05 10:49 +0100
Message-ID<112d9bg$v187$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#88659
On 05/07/2026 04:45, c186282 wrote:
> Putin, well, seems to think HE is the only one
>    privy to the Thoughts Of Gawd. We've seen people
>    like that before - but they didn't have a huge
>    army or nuclear arsenal.
> 

Neither, it turns out, does Putin.
Consider:
You are a paranoid minority supported dictator on fear of your own 
minions and the West.
If NATO decides to take you, it can. You don't realise that the last 
thing NATO wants is to have to run Russia.

You cant do the all out war thing. But what you can do is spin a legend. 
The legend of the madness of dictators who will push the red button if 
threatened. You can fund every single radical left or right  political 
group in your enemies ranks from Black lives matter to pro Lifers.

You can fund any group spreading the pretended horror of nuclear war, 
weapons and power stations.

Meanwhile you do a huge military on the cheap. A few nuclear tests show 
you have the Bomb, and a few missile runs show you have the delivery.

The rest on parade in Red Square might as well be cardboard.  They're 
not real. They are there to support the legend of a militarily powerful 
nation armed with nuclear weapons it is not afraid to use.

And finally you have the Reptile fund. For the clandestine purchasing 
and blackmail of free world politicians. And media influencers. How many 
Hollywood nuclear horror movies were funded indirectly from the Kremlin?

>>>    Trump IS a 'charismatic leader' - hardly the
>>>    first or last. Would you prefer boring bcrats
>>>    and functionaries instead - incapable of
>>>    doing anything or unifying anyone ?
>>>
>> Id prefer quiet competence and a small state.
> 
>    "Quiet competence" doesn't get it DONE. Gotta
>    be Out Front - or ELSE.
> 
Oh, but it does. You just don't notice it happening.


>    As for a "small state" - while I'd kinda LIKE that
>    I'm just not sure it's viable anymore - more an
>    1800s agri-nation sentiment.
> 
Of course it is possible.
But turkeys don't vote for Christmas

>>>    Hey, we can re-elect "W" !
>>>
>> WTF is 'W'?
>> Winnie the Pooh?
> 
>    Wow .........
> 
>    Ultra-Revisionist 'history' classes eh ?
> 
No, just not steeped in US folklore.
If you had said 'Dubya' I would have known.



>    How can you plot a path to The Future if you don't
>    even know where you've BEEN, even recently ???

The incoherent parochialism, of the American Indoctrinated is not of 
particular concern to  ROW...

-- 
“It is hard to imagine a more stupid decision or more dangerous way of 
making decisions than by putting those decisions in the hands of people 
who pay no price for being wrong.”

Thomas Sowell

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#88558

Fromc186282 <c186282@nnada.net>
Date2026-07-01 00:48 -0400
Message-ID<RdadnTx6Wu1kBtn3nZ2dnZfqnPednZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#88541
On 6/30/26 14:51, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
> On 2026-06-30, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote:
> 
>> On 6/30/26 09:51, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:
>>
>>> On 6/30/2026 5:14 PM, c186282 wrote:
>>>
>>>>> Can you fabricate 0.000000...0000000001 nm chips?
>>>>>
>>>>> Is zero the seal or wall? :)
>>>>
>>>>      Um, pretty quick you get to ATOMS ... and, for any
>>>>      normal electronics, that's IT.
>>>
>>> You cannot have 0.000000....00 nm chip.
>>>
>>> That's a void, empty, nothing. :)
> 
> I tried to think through the implications of this
> but I got a divide error.
> 
>>     "Electronics" are now about literal atom-thick structures.
>>     Can't go any smaller.
>>
>>     Any better future stuff will have to exploit quantum
>>     effects - get more bang for yer nanometer. Alas quantum
>>     stuff isn't as deterministic as bulk matter devices
>>     and suffer from the uncertainty principle.
> 
> Omigod, we might have to revive the KISS principle
> in order to get anything more done.  The proponents
> of complexity as a weapon will be so disappointed...

   I do understand .......

   However more and more of our 'future' seems to - or we
   have been SOLD the idea that it seems to - rely on
   ever more complex 'systems', electronic and otherwise.

   This is why trillions are being poured into AI "data
   centers". Can't get there from here without Claude
   and Mr. Chat - and don't forget the gigantic
   authoritarian/Orwellian micro-managing neo-commie
   bureaucracy !

   Does like Namibia offer 'golden visas' ? I'm getting
   too old to move now, but it's still a very tempting
   idea ... WAY 'off grid'.

   Computers - frankly the Core2-Quad is probably good
   enough for almost anything especially real. I do have
   a bunch of computers - but it's cheap laptops and
   mini-boxes based on cheap  chips. More than good
   enough for anything I need.

   (shit, can't even get the mini-boxes for any sane
   price now - 'AI' has sucked up the entire global
   memory chip output. No, NOT the trade wars, it's
   the damned MEMORY CHIPS. Every device from yer
   Mr. Coffee on up need CPUs and *MEMORY CHIPS*)

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#88551

Fromrbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Date2026-06-30 23:45 +0000
Message-ID<naj2pgFgpa7U3@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#88537
On Tue, 30 Jun 2026 12:06:38 -0400, c186282 wrote:

>    Any better future stuff will have to exploit quantum effects - get
>    more bang for yer nanometer. Alas quantum stuff isn't as
>    deterministic as bulk matter devices and suffer from the uncertainty
>    principle.

Physics was a 4 semester course and the 4th was quantum when it started to 
get weird. On one essay test I wrote about Heisenberg's uncertainty 
principle versus Heidegger's principle uncertainty. Fortunately the 
professor had a sense of humor or maybe he realized how far off the beaten 
path the original quantum guys got when you start thinking about the Being 
of beings.

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