Groups | Search | Server Info | Keyboard shortcuts | Login | Register [http] [https] [nntp] [nntps]
Groups > comp.os.linux.misc > #88109 > unrolled thread
| Started by | vintageapplemac@gmail.com (scole) |
|---|---|
| First post | 2026-06-19 18:42 +0100 |
| Last post | 2026-06-28 00:13 +0100 |
| Articles | 20 on this page of 121 — 20 participants |
Back to article view | Back to comp.os.linux.misc
Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon vintageapplemac@gmail.com (scole) - 2026-06-19 18:42 +0100
Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon JJenssen <joemajen@arcor.de> - 2026-06-20 12:30 +0200
Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon vintageapplemac@gmail.com (scole) - 2026-06-20 13:10 +0100
Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-20 14:42 +0100
Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon JJenssen <joemajen@arcor.de> - 2026-06-21 07:51 +0200
Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam2616@zugschl.us> - 2026-06-21 09:35 +0200
Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-21 10:29 +0100
Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-21 18:10 +0000
Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2026-06-22 10:16 +1200
Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam2616@zugschl.us> - 2026-06-22 08:13 +0200
Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-22 10:26 +0100
Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-22 14:03 +0000
Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-22 17:25 +0100
Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-22 20:51 +0000
Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-23 04:22 +0100
Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-06-22 17:07 +0000
Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-22 20:47 +0000
Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2026-06-23 10:49 +1200
Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-24 01:30 +0000
Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-24 12:07 +0200
Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-24 11:41 +0100
Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-24 18:42 +0000
Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-06-24 19:42 +0000
Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-06-24 13:25 -0700
Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-06-25 01:39 +0000
Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-06-30 04:10 +0000
Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-24 21:53 +0100
Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-25 01:30 +0000
Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-06-24 08:29 -0700
Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-24 16:36 +0100
Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-06-24 17:33 +0000
Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-25 01:13 +0000
Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-25 11:26 +0200
Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-25 23:21 +0000
Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-26 10:55 +0200
Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-26 10:41 +0100
Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon scott@alfter.diespammersdie.us (Scott Alfter) - 2026-06-24 21:38 +0000
Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-25 01:12 +0000
Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon vintageapplemac@gmail.com (scole) - 2026-06-21 14:21 +0100
Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-21 17:28 +0100
Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-21 18:56 +0200
Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-06-21 17:38 +0000
Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-21 23:36 +0000
Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-21 18:15 +0000
Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-24 01:24 +0000
Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2026-06-24 17:35 +1200
Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam2616@zugschl.us> - 2026-06-24 07:45 +0200
Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-24 11:36 +0100
Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2026-06-25 09:35 +1200
Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-25 01:17 +0000
Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2026-06-25 18:24 +1200
Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-25 10:19 +0100
Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-26 01:59 +0000
Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-25 01:50 +0000
Retroconning closed-source proprietary software, and wiping the rest (was: Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-25 07:12 +0100
Re: Retroconning closed-source proprietary software, and wiping the rest (was: Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon) Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2026-06-25 18:32 +1200
Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2026-06-25 18:27 +1200
Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-25 06:50 +0000
Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2026-06-25 19:41 +1200
Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-25 11:37 +0200
Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-25 18:19 +0100
Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-26 10:01 +0100
"""Standard""" software (was: Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-25 06:55 +0100
Re: """Standard""" software (was: Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon) Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2026-06-25 18:34 +1200
Re: """Standard""" software (was: Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-26 01:57 +0000
Re: """Standard""" software (was: Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon) Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2026-06-26 18:23 +1200
Re: """Standard""" software Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-26 09:37 +0100
Re: """Standard""" software Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2026-06-27 11:00 +1200
Re: """Standard""" software Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-28 08:02 +0100
Re: """Standard""" software "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-28 12:51 +0200
Re: """Standard""" software c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-29 01:53 -0400
Re: """Standard""" software "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-29 10:53 +0200
Re: """Standard""" software Fritz Wuehler <fritz@spamexpire-202606.rodent.frell.theremailer.net> - 2026-06-29 19:01 +0200
Re: """Standard""" software "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-29 19:29 +0200
Re: “Standard” software Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-30 02:48 +0000
Re: “Standard” software Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-30 09:08 +0100
Re: “Standard” software Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-06-30 18:51 +0000
Re: """Standard""" software (was: Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-06-26 18:03 +0000
Re: """Standard""" software (was: Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon) John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-06-26 12:23 -0700
Re: """Standard""" software (was: Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon) Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2026-06-27 11:09 +1200
Re: """Standard""" software (was: Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-06-27 18:22 +0000
Re: """Standard""" software (was: Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-27 19:42 +0000
Re: """Standard""" software (was: Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon) Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2026-06-28 10:46 +1200
Re: """Standard""" software (was: Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon) Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2026-06-28 10:18 +0000
Re: """Standard""" software The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-28 11:26 +0100
Spreadshi^Heet software (was: Re: """Standard""" software) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-29 08:35 +0100
Re: Spreadshi^Heet software (was: Re: """Standard""" software) Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2026-06-29 19:51 +1200
Re: Spreadshi^Heet software Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-29 09:28 +0100
Re: Spreadshi^Heet software Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam2616@zugschl.us> - 2026-06-29 10:53 +0200
Re: Spreadshi^Heet software The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-29 12:53 +0100
Re: """Standard""" software (was: Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-06-28 18:09 +0000
Re: """Standard""" software (was: Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon) Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2026-06-29 10:15 +1200
Re: """Standard""" software Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-29 08:24 +0100
Re: “Standard” software (was: Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-27 23:03 +0000
Re: “Standard” software c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-28 04:13 -0400
Re: “Standard” software The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-28 11:04 +0100
Re: “Standard” software c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-29 01:42 -0400
Re: """Standard""" software (was: Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-27 00:10 +0000
Can be trusted... (Was: """Standard""" software (was: Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and) Linux Mint Cinnamon) gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2026-06-27 12:53 +0000
Re: """Standard""" software (was: Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-06-27 18:22 +0000
Re: """Standard""" software (was: Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-27 19:36 +0000
Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon scott@alfter.diespammersdie.us (Scott Alfter) - 2026-06-25 15:44 +0000
Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-06-24 08:01 -0700
Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-24 16:34 +0100
Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon scott@alfter.diespammersdie.us (Scott Alfter) - 2026-06-25 15:49 +0000
Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-24 18:16 +0000
Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon John Bokma <contact@johnbokma.com> - 2026-06-24 17:15 +0200
Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-25 01:14 +0000
Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon John Bokma <contact@johnbokma.com> - 2026-06-25 18:32 +0200
Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-25 23:22 +0000
Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> - 2026-06-25 23:40 +0000
Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-26 09:09 +0100
Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-26 18:03 +0000
Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-27 00:26 +0100
Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2026-06-27 15:52 +1200
Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-27 04:12 +0000
Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-27 09:41 +0100
Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-06-27 18:22 +0000
Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-27 19:57 +0000
Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2026-06-28 10:35 +1200
Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-28 00:13 +0100
Page 5 of 7 — ← Prev page 1 2 3 4 [5] 6 7 Next page →
| From | Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2026-06-27 18:22 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: """Standard""" software (was: Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon) |
| Message-ID | <HxU%R.1471$Cur5.1135@fx45.iad> |
| In reply to | #88442 |
On 2026-06-26, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote: > Microsloth Windoze and Orifice have unfortunately been basically > business standards for multiple decades now. Word was first released in > 1983 and "Office" (with Excel, etc.) in 1989. Don't forget Outlook - which is more correctly pronounced "Look out!" It is the biggest disease vector for top-posting. > Even if people don't use Orifice themselves, almost every document you > come across (other than PDFs) is in .doc format because that gives the > widest potential compatibility ... as long as it's a simple document. > If it's a complex document, then compatibility tends to go out the > window. (For example, TextEdit and QuickLook on the Mac can read and > write .doc / .docx format files, but even mildly complicated formatting > will end up looking a mess, especially in QuickLook.) I've had pretty good results with LibreOffice, although I don't spend much time in spreadsheet land. LO doesn't seem to be as fanatical about meddling with your data - I've spent a lot of time designing my software to write CSV files that are "Excel-proof". I'm tired of bringing up a file to view, and upon quitting having Excel say, "Would you like to save the changes you've just made?" Dammit - I didn't make _any_ changes! At the very least, the message should read: "Would you like to save the changes _I've_ made?" Yes, that includes Excel's edict that all dates shall be in month/day/year format, and that anything looking vaguely like a year/month/day date shall be reformatted. And, of course, lines with trailing fields omitted shall be padded with commas, quotes, etc. In fact, I prefer LibreOffice's spreadsheet to Excel, primarily because when I pull in a CSV file it automatically sets the column widths to something reasonable, rather than requiring you to manually select the hilariously-misnamed "Auto format". -- /~\ Charlie Gibbs | No artificial \ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | intelligence was X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | used in the creation / \ if you read it the right way. | of this post.
[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]
| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2026-06-27 19:42 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: """Standard""" software (was: Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon) |
| Message-ID | <naandjF3a8oU4@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #88460 |
On Sat, 27 Jun 2026 18:22:31 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > On 2026-06-26, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote: > >> Microsloth Windoze and Orifice have unfortunately been basically >> business standards for multiple decades now. Word was first released in >> 1983 and "Office" (with Excel, etc.) in 1989. > > Don't forget Outlook - which is more correctly pronounced "Look out!" > It is the biggest disease vector for top-posting. Then there was Outlook Express that had absolutely nothing to do with Outlook except a vague UX similarity. For all its warts Outlook was COM based and you could make it do tricks be calling the exposed methods, which were somewhat documented.
[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]
| From | Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2026-06-28 10:46 +1200 |
| Subject | Re: """Standard""" software (was: Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon) |
| Message-ID | <111pjsf$38qhq$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #88460 |
On 2026-06-27 18:22:31 +0000, Charlie Gibbs said: > On 2026-06-26, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote: > >> Microsloth Windoze and Orifice have unfortunately been basically >> business standards for multiple decades now. Word was first released in >> 1983 and "Office" (with Excel, etc.) in 1989. > > Don't forget Outlook - which is more correctly pronounced "Look out!" > It is the biggest disease vector for top-posting. > >> Even if people don't use Orifice themselves, almost every document you >> come across (other than PDFs) is in .doc format because that gives the >> widest potential compatibility ... as long as it's a simple document. >> If it's a complex document, then compatibility tends to go out the >> window. (For example, TextEdit and QuickLook on the Mac can read and >> write .doc / .docx format files, but even mildly complicated formatting >> will end up looking a mess, especially in QuickLook.) > > I've had pretty good results with LibreOffice, although I don't spend > much time in spreadsheet land. LO doesn't seem to be as fanatical > about meddling with your data - I've spent a lot of time designing my > software to write CSV files that are > "Excel-proof". I'm tired of bringing up a file to view, and upon > quitting having Excel say, "Would you like to save the changes you've > just made?" Dammit - I didn't make _any_ changes! At the very least, > the message should read: "Would > you like to save the changes _I've_ made?" Yes, that includes Excel's > edict that all dates shall be in month/day/year format, and that > anything looking vaguely like a year/month/day date shall be > reformatted. And, of course, lines with trailing fields omitted shall > be padded with commas, quotes, etc. > > In fact, I prefer LibreOffice's spreadsheet to Excel, primarily because > when I pull in a CSV file it automatically sets the column widths to > something reasonable, rather than requiring you to manually select the > hilariously-misnamed "Auto format". Column widths are easily fixed quickly in Excel. Just click in the corner "cell" above the row numbers and left of the column letters to select the entire spreadsheet, then double-click the divider between any column. Similarly for row heights, although you may need to turn on the text-wrapping for all the cells first. The biggest issue with Excel is that it is simply not accurate, and therefore untrustworthy. Because Microsoft stubbornly chose to do decimal arithmatic in stupid way, that they claim is a "feature", it means miniscule errors creep in, which can then get bigger when using those error cells in other calculations. No other spreadsheet (or database) that I've used has had this problem because they do decimal arithmatic properly.
[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]
| From | Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2026-06-28 10:18 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: """Standard""" software (was: Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon) |
| Message-ID | <6a40f50e$0$11434$426a34cc@news.free.fr> |
| In reply to | #88468 |
Le 27-06-2026, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> a écrit : > On 2026-06-27 18:22:31 +0000, Charlie Gibbs said: > >> In fact, I prefer LibreOffice's spreadsheet to Excel, primarily because >> when I pull in a CSV file it automatically sets the column widths to >> something reasonable, rather than requiring you to manually select the >> hilariously-misnamed "Auto format". > > Column widths are easily fixed quickly in Excel. Just click in the > corner "cell" above the row numbers and left of the column letters to > select the entire spreadsheet, then double-click the divider between > any column. > > Similarly for row heights, although you may need to turn on the > text-wrapping for all the cells first. > > The biggest issue with Excel is that it is simply not accurate, and > therefore untrustworthy. Because Microsoft stubbornly chose to do > decimal arithmatic in stupid way, that they claim is a "feature", it > means miniscule errors creep in, which can then get bigger when using > those error cells in other calculations. No other spreadsheet (or > database) that I've used has had this problem because they do decimal > arithmatic properly. For me, the biggest issue with Excel opening CSV is because it assumes things and changes the document based of those fucking assumptions. And once it's change, you can't do anything about it and you have to manage your CSV file before opening it with Excel. Concrete examples: - UTF-8 versus latin9 => as a French there are a lot of diacritical signs in the texts and I can't tell it which encoding it should use. So, I have to manage that before opening it. - Coma versus semicolons => In France the decimal separator is the coma, so we can't use the coma to be the field separator. So we are using the semicolon. And when the field separator is not the one expected by Excel, everything is messed up and there is no way to change that. I know there is a way to convert a cell, but if the cells on the right are not empty, everything is lost in those cells. So it needs to be treated before opening it with Excel. - French dates versus English dates => when Excel sees something it knows, it consider it must be adapted. So when there is JAN, for janvier in French, which is the same as January in English, everything is fine. But, when there is FEV, for février in French, which is not the same as FEB for February, then Excel doesn't know what to do and let it like that. In the end, half of the dates have been changed and the other half remain identical. So it's impossible to manage and it needs to be treated before opening it in Excel. And, for the record, in French faux means at the same time scythe and false. And, guess what, Excel can be confused because when some things are searched in Excel, having faux on a cell can make the ligne just disappear. And some French cities have changed their name for that reason: <https://www.leparisien.fr/societe/faux-roche-grigny-pourquoi-huit-communes-vont-changer-de-nom-le-1er-janvier-prochain-10-08-2024-5T4PROQXUVFONGEN36FC2735JQ.php> Sorry, it's in French, but it explains why some French cities have change their names with that part: « On s’est rendu compte que dans certains fichiers numériques, notamment les tableurs, Faux disparaissait ou était traduit en anglais et devenait false » Which can be translated in something like: "We have realised that in some of the numeric files, like spreadsheets, Faux disappeared or was translated in English and became false." Some other articles spoke about Excel, I don't know about OpenOffice or OnlyOffice. But what I know is that OpenOffice and OnlyOffice let me chose the field separator and the encoding before doing anything. So if everything is messed up, it's my fault and start again doing the right choices. -- Si vous avez du temps à perdre : https://scarpet42.gitlab.io
[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]
| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2026-06-28 11:26 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: """Standard""" software |
| Message-ID | <111qst1$3he9n$6@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #88486 |
On 28/06/2026 11:18, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote: > Which can be translated in something like: > "We have realised that in some of the numeric files, like spreadsheets, > Faux disappeared or was translated in English and became false." Well the English town of Scunthorpe was deleted en masse from all US media... And in US media you cannot say 'the Law is an Ass' still less have Jesus riding into town on one. Whereas in the UK a fanny pack, if considered to be a real noun, would probably be assumed to be slang for a 'sanitary towel'. -- “The ultimate result of shielding men from the effects of folly is to fill the world with fools.” Herbert Spencer
[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]
| From | Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2026-06-29 08:35 +0100 |
| Subject | Spreadshi^Heet software (was: Re: """Standard""" software) |
| Message-ID | <111t781$602s$3@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #88486 |
On 2026-06-28, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote: [...] > > For me, the biggest issue with Excel opening CSV is because it assumes > things and changes the document based of those fucking assumptions. And > once it's change, you can't do anything about it and you have to manage > your CSV file before opening it with Excel. [...] > Some other articles spoke about Excel, I don't know about OpenOffice or > OnlyOffice. But what I know is that OpenOffice and OnlyOffice let me > chose the field separator and the encoding before doing anything. So if > everything is messed up, it's my fault and start again doing the right > choices. Yeah, my thought while I was reading your post was "wait, Excel doesn't prompt for this"? I'm quite used to see the comprehensive CSV import dialog in OOo/LibO, Excel doesn't do something comparable!? -- Nuno Silva
[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]
| From | Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2026-06-29 19:51 +1200 |
| Subject | Re: Spreadshi^Heet software (was: Re: """Standard""" software) |
| Message-ID | <111t86b$6j5e$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #88507 |
On 2026-06-29 07:35:27 +0000, Nuno Silva said: > On 2026-06-28, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote: > [...] >> >> For me, the biggest issue with Excel opening CSV is because it assumes >> things and changes the document based of those fucking assumptions. And >> once it's change, you can't do anything about it and you have to manage >> your CSV file before opening it with Excel. > [...] >> Some other articles spoke about Excel, I don't know about OpenOffice or >> OnlyOffice. But what I know is that OpenOffice and OnlyOffice let me >> chose the field separator and the encoding before doing anything. So if >> everything is messed up, it's my fault and start again doing the right >> choices. > > Yeah, my thought while I was reading your post was "wait, Excel doesn't > prompt for this"? I'm quite used to see the comprehensive CSV import > dialog in OOo/LibO, Excel doesn't do something comparable!? Use the Import command in the File menu and Excel leads you through a variety of options for the import, including being able to change the field and text delimiter characters.
[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]
| From | Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2026-06-29 09:28 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: Spreadshi^Heet software |
| Message-ID | <wwvbjctsqbf.fsf@LkoBDZeT.terraraq.uk> |
| In reply to | #88507 |
Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> writes: > On 2026-06-28, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote: >> For me, the biggest issue with Excel opening CSV is because it assumes >> things and changes the document based of those fucking assumptions. And >> once it's change, you can't do anything about it and you have to manage >> your CSV file before opening it with Excel. > [...] >> Some other articles spoke about Excel, I don't know about OpenOffice or >> OnlyOffice. But what I know is that OpenOffice and OnlyOffice let me >> chose the field separator and the encoding before doing anything. So if >> everything is messed up, it's my fault and start again doing the right >> choices. > > Yeah, my thought while I was reading your post was "wait, Excel doesn't > prompt for this"? I'm quite used to see the comprehensive CSV import > dialog in OOo/LibO, Excel doesn't do something comparable!? Excel didn’t offer me a dialog and did expect *.csv files to be comma-separated, not (for example) semicolon-separated. I guess they expect comma-separated values to be comma-separated, which is not _entirely_ unreasonable. Maybe there’s an option somewhere to enable a dialog but I have better things to do than look for it. LibreOffice does offer a dialog which lets me select from a range of separators, but didn’t offer a way to treat ‘,’ as a decimal point, as far as I could see. -- https://www.greenend.org.uk/rjk/
[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]
| From | Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam2616@zugschl.us> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2026-06-29 10:53 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: Spreadshi^Heet software |
| Message-ID | <111tbpt$214l7$1@news1.tnib.de> |
| In reply to | #88513 |
Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote: >LibreOffice does offer a dialog which lets me select from a range of >separators, but didn’t offer a way to treat ‘,’ as a decimal point, as >far as I could see. That implicitly hides behind the list of countries that the CSV import dialog offers. Greetings Marc -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Marc Haber | " Questions are the | Mailadresse im Header Rhein-Neckar, DE | Beginning of Wisdom " | Nordisch by Nature | Lt. Worf, TNG "Rightful Heir" | Fon: *49 6224 1600402
[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]
| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2026-06-29 12:53 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: Spreadshi^Heet software |
| Message-ID | <111tmb1$acq7$6@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #88513 |
On 29/06/2026 09:28, Richard Kettlewell wrote: > I guess they > expect comma-separated values to be comma-separated, which is not > _entirely_ unreasonable. It the context of post modern reasoning, I am not so sure about that. -- New Socialism consists essentially in being seen to have your heart in the right place whilst your head is in the clouds and your hand is in someone else's pocket.
[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]
| From | Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2026-06-28 18:09 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: """Standard""" software (was: Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon) |
| Message-ID | <Jrd0S.51743$fs29.20977@fx01.iad> |
| In reply to | #88468 |
On 2026-06-27, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote: > On 2026-06-27 18:22:31 +0000, Charlie Gibbs said: > >> In fact, I prefer LibreOffice's spreadsheet to Excel, primarily because >> when I pull in a CSV file it automatically sets the column widths to >> something reasonable, rather than requiring you to manually select the >> hilariously-misnamed "Auto format". > > Column widths are easily fixed quickly in Excel. Just click in the > corner "cell" above the row numbers and left of the column letters to > select the entire spreadsheet, then double-click the divider between > any column. Quickly? That sound pretty laborious to me, especially if there are a lot of columns that need adjusting. If I'm forced to deal with Excel in this situation, I select the entire spreadsheet and then use the above-mentioned "Auto format". LibreOffice gets it right in the first place - no manual adjustments required. > Similarly for row heights, although you may need to turn on the > text-wrapping for all the cells first. > > The biggest issue with Excel is that it is simply not accurate, and > therefore untrustworthy. Because Microsoft stubbornly chose to do > decimal arithmatic in stupid way, that they claim is a "feature", it > means miniscule errors creep in, which can then get bigger when using > those error cells in other calculations. No other spreadsheet (or > database) that I've used has had this problem because they do decimal > arithmatic properly. Was Excel the one that thinks 1900 is a leap year? Or was that some other M$ program? I once wound up with a lot of dates that were a day off thanks to that one, whichever program did it. -- /~\ Charlie Gibbs | No artificial \ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | intelligence was X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | used in the creation / \ if you read it the right way. | of this post.
[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]
| From | Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2026-06-29 10:15 +1200 |
| Subject | Re: """Standard""" software (was: Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon) |
| Message-ID | <111s6dd$3tih6$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #88495 |
On 2026-06-28 18:09:45 +0000, Charlie Gibbs said: > On 2026-06-27, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote: > >> On 2026-06-27 18:22:31 +0000, Charlie Gibbs said: >> >>> In fact, I prefer LibreOffice's spreadsheet to Excel, primarily because >>> when I pull in a CSV file it automatically sets the column widths to >>> something reasonable, rather than requiring you to manually select the >>> hilariously-misnamed "Auto format". >> >> Column widths are easily fixed quickly in Excel. Just click in the >> corner "cell" above the row numbers and left of the column letters to >> select the entire spreadsheet, then double-click the divider between >> any column. > > Quickly? That sound pretty laborious to me, especially if there are a > lot of columns that need adjusting. If I'm forced to deal with Excel in > this situation, I select the entire spreadsheet and then use the > above-mentioned "Auto format". LibreOffice gets it right in the first > place - no manual adjustments required. If you select the entire spreadsheet, then you only need to double-click *ONE* column divider between the letter headings and ALL the columns will self-fit to the correct width. (Text wrapping can cause an issue though, so that may need to be turned off first, but it is usually off by default for new documents, unless the defaults have been manually changed at some point.) Double-clicking the cell divider will change only the cell widths. Auto-format may well change other things as well. >> Similarly for row heights, although you may need to turn on the >> text-wrapping for all the cells first. >> >> The biggest issue with Excel is that it is simply not accurate, and >> therefore untrustworthy. Because Microsoft stubbornly chose to do >> decimal arithmatic in stupid way, that they claim is a "feature", it >> means miniscule errors creep in, which can then get bigger when using >> those error cells in other calculations. No other spreadsheet (or >> database) that I've used has had this problem because they do decimal >> arithmatic properly. > > Was Excel the one that thinks 1900 is a leap year? Or was that some > other M$ program? I once wound up with a lot of dates that were a day > off thanks to that one, whichever program did it. I don't know about that problem. It's not something I came across, but it wouldn't surprise me.
[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]
| From | Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2026-06-29 08:24 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: """Standard""" software |
| Message-ID | <111t6kd$602s$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #88495 |
On 2026-06-28, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > On 2026-06-27, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote: > >> On 2026-06-27 18:22:31 +0000, Charlie Gibbs said: >> >>> In fact, I prefer LibreOffice's spreadsheet to Excel, primarily because >>> when I pull in a CSV file it automatically sets the column widths to >>> something reasonable, rather than requiring you to manually select the >>> hilariously-misnamed "Auto format". >> >> Column widths are easily fixed quickly in Excel. Just click in the >> corner "cell" above the row numbers and left of the column letters to >> select the entire spreadsheet, then double-click the divider between >> any column. > > Quickly? That sound pretty laborious to me, especially if there > are a lot of columns that need adjusting. If I'm forced to deal > with Excel in this situation, I select the entire spreadsheet and > then use the above-mentioned "Auto format". LibreOffice gets it > right in the first place - no manual adjustments required. Yeah, this is the kind of stuff that tells cumbersome (usually GUI) programs apart from more efficient tools. Is it at least available through a single key chord for all columns? (I seem to recall an auto-adjust feature, but that might be in OOo/LibO.) >> Similarly for row heights, although you may need to turn on the >> text-wrapping for all the cells first. >> >> The biggest issue with Excel is that it is simply not accurate, and >> therefore untrustworthy. Because Microsoft stubbornly chose to do >> decimal arithmatic in stupid way, that they claim is a "feature", it >> means miniscule errors creep in, which can then get bigger when using >> those error cells in other calculations. No other spreadsheet (or >> database) that I've used has had this problem because they do decimal >> arithmatic properly. > > Was Excel the one that thinks 1900 is a leap year? Or was that > some other M$ program? I once wound up with a lot of dates that > were a day off thanks to that one, whichever program did it. IIRC it indeed was/is Excel. They at one point also had VBA handle True as False (or the other way around?) in amd64 builds in a specific context. <https://www.theregister.com/software/2021/08/19/eight-year-old-bug-in-microsofts-64-bit-vba-prompts-complaints-of-neglect/1335886> -- Nuno Silva
[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]
| From | Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2026-06-27 23:03 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: “Standard” software (was: Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon) |
| Message-ID | <111pkss$38udv$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #88460 |
On Sat, 27 Jun 2026 18:22:31 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
> In fact, I prefer LibreOffice's spreadsheet to Excel ...
You’re not the only one. Actual researchers who have studied the issue
have come to the same conclusion
<https://journals.plos.org/ploscompbiol/article?id=10.1371/journal.pcbi.1008984>:
don’t use spreadsheets to try to do professional-quality data
analyses, but if you must use a spreadsheet, LibreOffice Calc is
preferable to Microsoft Excel.
In general, I absolutely love the recommendations that they make. The
first one is a biggie:
Scripted analyses are preferred over spreadsheets. Gene name to
date conversion is a bug specific to spreadsheets and doesn’t
occur in scripted computer languages like Python or R. In
addition, analyses conducted with Python and R notebooks (eg:
Jupyter or Rmarkdown) capture computational methods and results in
a stepwise fashion meaning these workflows can be more readily
audited. These notebooks can therefore achieve a higher level of
computational reproducibility than spreadsheets. Although this
requires a big investment in learning a computer language, this
investment pays off in the longer term.
Note that bit: “capture computational methods and results in a
stepwise fashion meaning these workflows can be more readily audited”.
Here I thought reproducibility was an absolutely non-negotiable
foundation stone of scientific research, yet it seems people have been
publishing results with nothing to back up their analyses other than
an Excel spreadsheet.
[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]
| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2026-06-28 04:13 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: “Standard” software |
| Message-ID | <aKWcnf_lJZcXSt33nZ2dnZfqnPednZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #88469 |
On 6/27/26 19:03, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: > On Sat, 27 Jun 2026 18:22:31 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > >> In fact, I prefer LibreOffice's spreadsheet to Excel ... > > You’re not the only one. Actual researchers who have studied the issue > have come to the same conclusion > <https://journals.plos.org/ploscompbiol/article?id=10.1371/journal.pcbi.1008984>: > don’t use spreadsheets to try to do professional-quality data > analyses, but if you must use a spreadsheet, LibreOffice Calc is > preferable to Microsoft Excel. > > In general, I absolutely love the recommendations that they make. The > first one is a biggie: > > Scripted analyses are preferred over spreadsheets. Gene name to > date conversion is a bug specific to spreadsheets and doesn’t > occur in scripted computer languages like Python or R. In > addition, analyses conducted with Python and R notebooks (eg: > Jupyter or Rmarkdown) capture computational methods and results in > a stepwise fashion meaning these workflows can be more readily > audited. These notebooks can therefore achieve a higher level of > computational reproducibility than spreadsheets. Although this > requires a big investment in learning a computer language, this > investment pays off in the longer term. > > Note that bit: “capture computational methods and results in a > stepwise fashion meaning these workflows can be more readily audited”. Sounds totalitarian, at least totalitarian bean-counter ! How about just hiring Good People ? > Here I thought reproducibility was an absolutely non-negotiable > foundation stone of scientific research, yet it seems people have been > publishing results with nothing to back up their analyses other than > an Excel spreadsheet. Like stats, such 'analysis' can be easily tweaked to LIE - to support someones political/ideological/ positional CAUSE. Only look at what serves YOU and hurts your opposition.
[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]
| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2026-06-28 11:04 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: “Standard” software |
| Message-ID | <111qrkb$3he9n$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #88482 |
On 28/06/2026 09:13, c186282 wrote: > Like stats, such 'analysis' can be easily tweaked > to LIE - to support someones political/ideological/ > positional CAUSE. Only look at what serves YOU and > hurts your opposition. The quintessential problem... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ahgjEjJkZks -- "It was a lot more fun being 20 in the 70's that it is being 70 in the 20's" Joew Walsh
[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]
| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2026-06-29 01:42 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: “Standard” software |
| Message-ID | <VaKcnSFYBtQ1mN_3nZ2dnZfqnPudnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #88485 |
On 6/28/26 06:04, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > On 28/06/2026 09:13, c186282 wrote: >> Like stats, such 'analysis' can be easily tweaked >> to LIE - to support someones political/ideological/ >> positional CAUSE. Only look at what serves YOU and >> hurts your opposition. > > The quintessential problem... > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ahgjEjJkZks People, 'human stuff', IS a part of the overall equation. And if AIs get a lot smarter, it'll become "AI Stuff" in THEIR way :-)
[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]
| From | Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2026-06-27 00:10 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: """Standard""" software (was: Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon) |
| Message-ID | <111n4ee$trog$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #88433 |
On Fri, 26 Jun 2026 18:03:12 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > On 2026-06-26, Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: > >> On Thu, 25 Jun 2026 18:34:01 +1200, Your Name wrote: >> >>> On 2026-06-25 05:55:22 +0000, Nuno Silva said: >>> >>>> And who declared Microsoft products "standard software"? >>> <snip> >>> >>> Most of the business world did years ago ... >> >> Is this the same “business world” that has largely moved its >> operations into the cloud these days? The cloud that is dominated >> by Linux? > > Shhhhh... don't say that too loudly. Bill might not like it. Regardless of what BillG might think, Microsoft freely admit that these days. Even their own cloud service is predominantly Linux-based, and they see no shame in admitting it.
[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]
| From | gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) |
|---|---|
| Date | 2026-06-27 12:53 +0000 |
| Subject | Can be trusted... (Was: """Standard""" software (was: Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and) Linux Mint Cinnamon) |
| Message-ID | <111oh42$3ug1g$1@news.xmission.com> |
| In reply to | #88444 |
In article <111n4ee$trog$1@dont-email.me>, Lawrence DOliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: ... >>> Is this the same business world that has largely moved its >>> operations into the cloud these days? The cloud that is dominated >>> by Linux? >> >> Shhhhh... don't say that too loudly. Bill might not like it. > >Regardless of what BillG might think, Microsoft freely admit that >these days. Even their own cloud service is predominantly Linux-based, >and they see no shame in admitting it. MS can always be trusted to do the right thing. ... (After they've tried everything else!) -- Res ipsa loquitur.
[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]
| From | Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2026-06-27 18:22 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: """Standard""" software (was: Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon) |
| Message-ID | <GxU%R.1470$Cur5.1134@fx45.iad> |
| In reply to | #88444 |
On 2026-06-27, Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: > On Fri, 26 Jun 2026 18:03:12 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > >> On 2026-06-26, Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: >> >>> On Thu, 25 Jun 2026 18:34:01 +1200, Your Name wrote: >>> >>>> On 2026-06-25 05:55:22 +0000, Nuno Silva said: >>>> >>>>> And who declared Microsoft products "standard software"? >>>> <snip> >>>> >>>> Most of the business world did years ago ... >>> >>> Is this the same “business world” that has largely moved its >>> operations into the cloud these days? The cloud that is dominated >>> by Linux? >> >> Shhhhh... don't say that too loudly. Bill might not like it. > > Regardless of what BillG might think, Microsoft freely admit that > these days. Even their own cloud service is predominantly Linux-based, > and they see no shame in admitting it. Not like the old days, when IIS wasn't ready for prime time and they had to resort to Linux-based web servers. -- /~\ Charlie Gibbs | No artificial \ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | intelligence was X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | used in the creation / \ if you read it the right way. | of this post.
[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]
Page 5 of 7 — ← Prev page 1 2 3 4 [5] 6 7 Next page →
Back to top | Article view | comp.os.linux.misc
csiph-web