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| Started by | vintageapplemac@gmail.com (scole) |
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| First post | 2026-06-19 18:42 +0100 |
| Last post | 2026-06-28 00:13 +0100 |
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Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon vintageapplemac@gmail.com (scole) - 2026-06-19 18:42 +0100
Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon JJenssen <joemajen@arcor.de> - 2026-06-20 12:30 +0200
Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon vintageapplemac@gmail.com (scole) - 2026-06-20 13:10 +0100
Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-20 14:42 +0100
Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon JJenssen <joemajen@arcor.de> - 2026-06-21 07:51 +0200
Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam2616@zugschl.us> - 2026-06-21 09:35 +0200
Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-21 10:29 +0100
Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-21 18:10 +0000
Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2026-06-22 10:16 +1200
Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam2616@zugschl.us> - 2026-06-22 08:13 +0200
Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-22 10:26 +0100
Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-22 14:03 +0000
Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-22 17:25 +0100
Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-22 20:51 +0000
Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-23 04:22 +0100
Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-06-22 17:07 +0000
Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-22 20:47 +0000
Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2026-06-23 10:49 +1200
Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-24 01:30 +0000
Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-24 12:07 +0200
Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-24 11:41 +0100
Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-24 18:42 +0000
Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-06-24 19:42 +0000
Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-06-24 13:25 -0700
Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-06-25 01:39 +0000
Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-06-30 04:10 +0000
Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-24 21:53 +0100
Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-25 01:30 +0000
Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-06-24 08:29 -0700
Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-24 16:36 +0100
Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-06-24 17:33 +0000
Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-25 01:13 +0000
Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-25 11:26 +0200
Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-25 23:21 +0000
Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-26 10:55 +0200
Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-26 10:41 +0100
Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon scott@alfter.diespammersdie.us (Scott Alfter) - 2026-06-24 21:38 +0000
Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-25 01:12 +0000
Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon vintageapplemac@gmail.com (scole) - 2026-06-21 14:21 +0100
Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-21 17:28 +0100
Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-21 18:56 +0200
Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-06-21 17:38 +0000
Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-21 23:36 +0000
Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-21 18:15 +0000
Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-24 01:24 +0000
Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2026-06-24 17:35 +1200
Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam2616@zugschl.us> - 2026-06-24 07:45 +0200
Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-24 11:36 +0100
Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2026-06-25 09:35 +1200
Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-25 01:17 +0000
Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2026-06-25 18:24 +1200
Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-25 10:19 +0100
Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-26 01:59 +0000
Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-25 01:50 +0000
Retroconning closed-source proprietary software, and wiping the rest (was: Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-25 07:12 +0100
Re: Retroconning closed-source proprietary software, and wiping the rest (was: Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon) Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2026-06-25 18:32 +1200
Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2026-06-25 18:27 +1200
Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-25 06:50 +0000
Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2026-06-25 19:41 +1200
Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-25 11:37 +0200
Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-25 18:19 +0100
Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-26 10:01 +0100
"""Standard""" software (was: Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-25 06:55 +0100
Re: """Standard""" software (was: Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon) Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2026-06-25 18:34 +1200
Re: """Standard""" software (was: Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-26 01:57 +0000
Re: """Standard""" software (was: Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon) Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2026-06-26 18:23 +1200
Re: """Standard""" software Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-26 09:37 +0100
Re: """Standard""" software Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2026-06-27 11:00 +1200
Re: """Standard""" software Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-28 08:02 +0100
Re: """Standard""" software "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-28 12:51 +0200
Re: """Standard""" software c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-29 01:53 -0400
Re: """Standard""" software "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-29 10:53 +0200
Re: """Standard""" software Fritz Wuehler <fritz@spamexpire-202606.rodent.frell.theremailer.net> - 2026-06-29 19:01 +0200
Re: """Standard""" software "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-29 19:29 +0200
Re: “Standard” software Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-30 02:48 +0000
Re: “Standard” software Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-30 09:08 +0100
Re: “Standard” software Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-06-30 18:51 +0000
Re: """Standard""" software (was: Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-06-26 18:03 +0000
Re: """Standard""" software (was: Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon) John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-06-26 12:23 -0700
Re: """Standard""" software (was: Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon) Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2026-06-27 11:09 +1200
Re: """Standard""" software (was: Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-06-27 18:22 +0000
Re: """Standard""" software (was: Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-27 19:42 +0000
Re: """Standard""" software (was: Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon) Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2026-06-28 10:46 +1200
Re: """Standard""" software (was: Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon) Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2026-06-28 10:18 +0000
Re: """Standard""" software The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-28 11:26 +0100
Spreadshi^Heet software (was: Re: """Standard""" software) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-29 08:35 +0100
Re: Spreadshi^Heet software (was: Re: """Standard""" software) Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2026-06-29 19:51 +1200
Re: Spreadshi^Heet software Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-29 09:28 +0100
Re: Spreadshi^Heet software Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam2616@zugschl.us> - 2026-06-29 10:53 +0200
Re: Spreadshi^Heet software The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-29 12:53 +0100
Re: """Standard""" software (was: Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-06-28 18:09 +0000
Re: """Standard""" software (was: Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon) Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2026-06-29 10:15 +1200
Re: """Standard""" software Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-29 08:24 +0100
Re: “Standard” software (was: Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-27 23:03 +0000
Re: “Standard” software c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-28 04:13 -0400
Re: “Standard” software The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-28 11:04 +0100
Re: “Standard” software c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-29 01:42 -0400
Re: """Standard""" software (was: Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-27 00:10 +0000
Can be trusted... (Was: """Standard""" software (was: Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and) Linux Mint Cinnamon) gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2026-06-27 12:53 +0000
Re: """Standard""" software (was: Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-06-27 18:22 +0000
Re: """Standard""" software (was: Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-27 19:36 +0000
Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon scott@alfter.diespammersdie.us (Scott Alfter) - 2026-06-25 15:44 +0000
Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-06-24 08:01 -0700
Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-24 16:34 +0100
Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon scott@alfter.diespammersdie.us (Scott Alfter) - 2026-06-25 15:49 +0000
Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-24 18:16 +0000
Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon John Bokma <contact@johnbokma.com> - 2026-06-24 17:15 +0200
Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-25 01:14 +0000
Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon John Bokma <contact@johnbokma.com> - 2026-06-25 18:32 +0200
Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-25 23:22 +0000
Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> - 2026-06-25 23:40 +0000
Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-26 09:09 +0100
Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-26 18:03 +0000
Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-27 00:26 +0100
Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2026-06-27 15:52 +1200
Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-27 04:12 +0000
Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-27 09:41 +0100
Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-06-27 18:22 +0000
Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-27 19:57 +0000
Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2026-06-28 10:35 +1200
Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-28 00:13 +0100
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-06-27 19:36 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: """Standard""" software (was: Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon) |
| Message-ID | <naan1qF3a8oU3@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #88459 |
On Sat, 27 Jun 2026 18:22:30 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > On 2026-06-27, Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: > >> On Fri, 26 Jun 2026 18:03:12 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote: >> >>> On 2026-06-26, Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: >>> >>>> On Thu, 25 Jun 2026 18:34:01 +1200, Your Name wrote: >>>> >>>>> On 2026-06-25 05:55:22 +0000, Nuno Silva said: >>>>> >>>>>> And who declared Microsoft products "standard software"? >>>>> <snip> >>>>> >>>>> Most of the business world did years ago ... >>>> >>>> Is this the same “business world” that has largely moved its >>>> operations into the cloud these days? The cloud that is dominated by >>>> Linux? >>> >>> Shhhhh... don't say that too loudly. Bill might not like it. >> >> Regardless of what BillG might think, Microsoft freely admit that these >> days. Even their own cloud service is predominantly Linux-based, >> and they see no shame in admitting it. > > Not like the old days, when IIS wasn't ready for prime time and they had > to resort to Linux-based web servers. IIS finally is ready for prime time? I only used it once on a DOI project where they were touchy about installing anything that wasn't MickeySoft.
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| From | scott@alfter.diespammersdie.us (Scott Alfter) |
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| Date | 2026-06-25 15:44 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <w1c%R.41187$81a2.153@fx17.iad> |
| In reply to | #88366 |
In article <111hii9$3b57f$1@dont-email.me>, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote: >"PoS" is definitely he correct term for the numerous different Linux >varities. None of the standard software runs on it for a start - no >Adobe, no Microsoft, etc. That could be (and probably should be) viewed as a feature, not a bug. :) -- _/_ / v \ Scott Alfter (remove the obvious to send mail) (IIGS( https://alfter.us/ Top-posting! \_^_/ >What's the most annoying thing on Usenet?
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| From | John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2026-06-24 08:01 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <20260624080106.00005d5f@gmail.com> |
| In reply to | #88326 |
On Wed, 24 Jun 2026 07:45:57 +0200 Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam2616@zugschl.us> wrote: > > > Yeah, Linux is a proper Unix-type system, unlike that whatever it > > > is that Apple runs on its machines. > > > > Technically, you've got that almost-backwards. > > > > Linux is a "Unix-like" operating system. MacOS X is built on Darwin > > derived from BSD, which is also another Unix-like operating system. > > Although neither is true Unix, MacOS X is certified by Unix, while > > Linux is not ... so legally MacOS X can call itself Unix and Linux > > cannot. :-p > > Noone cares about the brand any more. Lawrence clearly does.
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-06-24 16:34 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <111gtdn$348m3$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #88348 |
On 24/06/2026 16:01, John Ames wrote: > On Wed, 24 Jun 2026 07:45:57 +0200 > Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam2616@zugschl.us> wrote: > >>>> Yeah, Linux is a proper Unix-type system, unlike that whatever it >>>> is that Apple runs on its machines. >>> >>> Technically, you've got that almost-backwards. >>> >>> Linux is a "Unix-like" operating system. MacOS X is built on Darwin >>> derived from BSD, which is also another Unix-like operating system. >>> Although neither is true Unix, MacOS X is certified by Unix, while >>> Linux is not ... so legally MacOS X can call itself Unix and Linux >>> cannot. :-p >> >> Noone cares about the brand any more. > > Lawrence clearly does. > He should have said 'nobody' cares about the brand, thereby including Lawrence -- Climate Change: Socialism wearing a lab coat.
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| From | scott@alfter.diespammersdie.us (Scott Alfter) |
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| Date | 2026-06-25 15:49 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <a6c%R.41188$81a2.17637@fx17.iad> |
| In reply to | #88348 |
In article <20260624080106.00005d5f@gmail.com>, John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> wrote: >Lawrence clearly does. Placing this in ~/News/KILL will improve your Usenet experience: /ldo@nz.invalid/f:j HTH. :) -- _/_ / v \ Scott Alfter (remove the obvious to send mail) (IIGS( https://alfter.us/ Top-posting! \_^_/ >What's the most annoying thing on Usenet?
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-06-24 18:16 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <na2l7fFop6qU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #88326 |
On Wed, 24 Jun 2026 07:45:57 +0200, Marc Haber wrote: > Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote: >>On 2026-06-24 01:24:17 +0000, Lawrence D´Oliveiro said: >>> On Fri, 19 Jun 2026 18:42:03 +0100, scole wrote: >>>> >>>> I'm still finding my feet with Linux - there's a few strange quirls >>>> to it that my Mac-shaped brain is struggling to cope with ... >>> >>> Yeah, Linux is a proper Unix-type system, unlike that whatever it is >>> that Apple runs on its machines. >> >>Technically, you've got that almost-backwards. >> >>Linux is a "Unix-like" operating system. MacOS X is built on Darwin >>derived from BSD, which is also another Unix-like operating system. >>Although neither is true Unix, MacOS X is certified by Unix, while Linux >>is not ... so legally MacOS X can call itself Unix and Linux cannot. >>:-p > > Noone cares about the brand any more. Having used AIX, which meets the Single Unix Specification for UNIX 03 I'm not sure being a 'true UNIX' is a recommendation.
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| From | John Bokma <contact@johnbokma.com> |
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| Date | 2026-06-24 17:15 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <111gsbe$33sq2$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #88306 |
On 24/06/2026 03:24, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: > On Fri, 19 Jun 2026 18:42:03 +0100, scole wrote: > >> I'm still finding my feet with Linux - there's a few strange quirls >> to it that my Mac-shaped brain is struggling to cope with ... > > Yeah, Linux is a proper Unix-type system, unlike that whatever it is > that Apple runs on its machines. In what way? -- Static tumblelog generator: https://github.com/john-bokma/tumblelog/ Available as Python or Perl. Example tumblelog: https://plurrrr.com/
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| From | Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-06-25 01:14 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <111hve8$3e43k$6@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #88349 |
On Wed, 24 Jun 2026 17:15:58 +0200, John Bokma wrote: > On 24/06/2026 03:24, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: >> >> On Fri, 19 Jun 2026 18:42:03 +0100, scole wrote: >> >>> I'm still finding my feet with Linux - there's a few strange >>> quirls to it that my Mac-shaped brain is struggling to cope with >>> ... >> >> Yeah, Linux is a proper Unix-type system, unlike that whatever it >> is that Apple runs on its machines. > > In what way? One obvious one: a core part of the Unix tradition was separation of the GUI from the OS kernel. Apple threw that one right out the window.
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| From | John Bokma <contact@johnbokma.com> |
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| Date | 2026-06-25 18:32 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <111jl6p$3trjm$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #88373 |
On 25/06/2026 03:14, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: > On Wed, 24 Jun 2026 17:15:58 +0200, John Bokma wrote: > >> On 24/06/2026 03:24, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: >>> >>> On Fri, 19 Jun 2026 18:42:03 +0100, scole wrote: >>> >>>> I'm still finding my feet with Linux - there's a few strange >>>> quirls to it that my Mac-shaped brain is struggling to cope with >>>> ... >>> >>> Yeah, Linux is a proper Unix-type system, unlike that whatever it >>> is that Apple runs on its machines. >> >> In what way? > > One obvious one: a core part of the Unix tradition was separation of > the GUI from the OS kernel. Apple threw that one right out the window. How? -- Static tumblelog generator: https://github.com/john-bokma/tumblelog/ Available as Python or Perl. Example tumblelog: https://plurrrr.com/
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| From | Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-06-25 23:22 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <111kd7r$4v7h$4@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #88399 |
On Thu, 25 Jun 2026 18:32:08 +0200, John Bokma wrote: > On 25/06/2026 03:14, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: >> >> On Wed, 24 Jun 2026 17:15:58 +0200, John Bokma wrote: >> >>> On 24/06/2026 03:24, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: >>>> >>>> Yeah, Linux is a proper Unix-type system, unlike that whatever it >>>> is that Apple runs on its machines. >>> >>> In what way? >> >> One obvious one: a core part of the Unix tradition was separation >> of the GUI from the OS kernel. Apple threw that one right out the >> window. > > How? By integrating its GUI tightly into its OS kernel.
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| From | vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> |
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| Date | 2026-06-25 23:40 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <111ke9b$546l$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #88406 |
At Thu, 25 Jun 2026 23:22:35 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: > On Thu, 25 Jun 2026 18:32:08 +0200, John Bokma wrote: > > > On 25/06/2026 03:14, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: > >> > >> On Wed, 24 Jun 2026 17:15:58 +0200, John Bokma wrote: > >> > >>> On 24/06/2026 03:24, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: > >>>> > >>>> Yeah, Linux is a proper Unix-type system, unlike that whatever it > >>>> is that Apple runs on its machines. > >>> > >>> In what way? > >> > >> One obvious one: a core part of the Unix tradition was separation > >> of the GUI from the OS kernel. Apple threw that one right out the > >> window. > > > > How? > > By integrating its GUI tightly into its OS kernel. This has already been explained to you. The OS kernel on a Mac is Darwin: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darwin_(operating_system) https://www.puredarwin.org/ ...but you're some kind of concern/Poe troll that is completely intractable regarding MacOS. And while you are fond of using the term *nix, there's nothing wrong with saying "Unix" or "a Unix" to describe POSIX operating systems like Linux or FreeBSD -- because those are not trademarks. (Another term of art is "Unix-like".) https://www.fosslinux.com/44623/top-unix-based-operating-systems.htm UNIX(r), though, is a trademark. All-caps, with an (r) to make sure you know those people Really Mean Business (oh yes). Now go forth and sin no more. -- -v System76 Thelio Mega v1.1 x86_64 Mem: 258G OS: Linux 7.1.1 D: Mint 22.3 DE: Xfce 4.18 (X11) NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3090Ti (24G) (610.43.02) "A cynic smells flowers and looks for the casket."
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| From | Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-06-26 09:09 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <111lc2v$c7hh$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #88407 |
On 2026-06-26, vallor wrote: > At Thu, 25 Jun 2026 23:22:35 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: > >> On Thu, 25 Jun 2026 18:32:08 +0200, John Bokma wrote: >> >> > On 25/06/2026 03:14, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: >> >> >> >> On Wed, 24 Jun 2026 17:15:58 +0200, John Bokma wrote: >> >> >> >>> On 24/06/2026 03:24, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>> Yeah, Linux is a proper Unix-type system, unlike that whatever it >> >>>> is that Apple runs on its machines. >> >>> >> >>> In what way? >> >> >> >> One obvious one: a core part of the Unix tradition was separation >> >> of the GUI from the OS kernel. Apple threw that one right out the >> >> window. >> > >> > How? >> >> By integrating its GUI tightly into its OS kernel. > > This has already been explained to you. > > The OS kernel on a Mac is Darwin: > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darwin_(operating_system) > > https://www.puredarwin.org/ > > ...but you're some kind of concern/Poe troll that is completely > intractable regarding MacOS. > > And while you are fond of using the term *nix, there's nothing > wrong with saying "Unix" or "a Unix" to describe POSIX operating > systems like Linux or FreeBSD -- because those are not trademarks. > (Another term of art is "Unix-like".) > > https://www.fosslinux.com/44623/top-unix-based-operating-systems.htm > > UNIX(r), though, is a trademark. All-caps, with an (r) to > make sure you know those people Really Mean Business (oh yes). > > Now go forth and sin no more. But to go Forth, it probably helps to have an Apple PowerPC machine :-P -- Nuno Silva
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-06-26 18:03 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <na7t7gF6l0rU7@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #88415 |
On Fri, 26 Jun 2026 09:09:00 +0100, Nuno Silva wrote: > On 2026-06-26, vallor wrote: > >> At Thu, 25 Jun 2026 23:22:35 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D’Oliveiro >> <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: >> >>> On Thu, 25 Jun 2026 18:32:08 +0200, John Bokma wrote: >>> >>> > On 25/06/2026 03:14, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: >>> >> >>> >> On Wed, 24 Jun 2026 17:15:58 +0200, John Bokma wrote: >>> >> >>> >>> On 24/06/2026 03:24, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: >>> >>>> >>> >>>> Yeah, Linux is a proper Unix-type system, unlike that whatever it >>> >>>> is that Apple runs on its machines. >>> >>> >>> >>> In what way? >>> >> >>> >> One obvious one: a core part of the Unix tradition was separation >>> >> of the GUI from the OS kernel. Apple threw that one right out the >>> >> window. >>> > >>> > How? >>> >>> By integrating its GUI tightly into its OS kernel. >> >> This has already been explained to you. >> >> The OS kernel on a Mac is Darwin: >> >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darwin_(operating_system) >> >> https://www.puredarwin.org/ >> >> ...but you're some kind of concern/Poe troll that is completely >> intractable regarding MacOS. >> >> And while you are fond of using the term *nix, there's nothing wrong >> with saying "Unix" or "a Unix" to describe POSIX operating systems like >> Linux or FreeBSD -- because those are not trademarks. >> (Another term of art is "Unix-like".) >> >> https://www.fosslinux.com/44623/top-unix-based-operating-systems.htm >> >> UNIX(r), though, is a trademark. All-caps, with an (r) to make sure >> you know those people Really Mean Business (oh yes). >> >> Now go forth and sin no more. > > But to go Forth, it probably helps to have an Apple PowerPC machine :-P Gforth works fine on Linux x64 distros. Well, as fine as Forth ever worked.
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| From | Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-06-27 00:26 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <111n1rt$t3ii$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #88434 |
On 2026-06-26, rbowman wrote: > On Fri, 26 Jun 2026 09:09:00 +0100, Nuno Silva wrote: > >> On 2026-06-26, vallor wrote: >> >>>>>>> On 24/06/2026 03:24, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Yeah, Linux is a proper Unix-type system, unlike that whatever it >>>>>>>> is that Apple runs on its machines. [...] >>> This has already been explained to you. >>> >>> The OS kernel on a Mac is Darwin: >>> >>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darwin_(operating_system) >>> >>> https://www.puredarwin.org/ >>> >>> ...but you're some kind of concern/Poe troll that is completely >>> intractable regarding MacOS. >>> >>> And while you are fond of using the term *nix, there's nothing wrong >>> with saying "Unix" or "a Unix" to describe POSIX operating systems like >>> Linux or FreeBSD -- because those are not trademarks. >>> (Another term of art is "Unix-like".) >>> >>> https://www.fosslinux.com/44623/top-unix-based-operating-systems.htm >>> >>> UNIX(r), though, is a trademark. All-caps, with an (r) to make sure >>> you know those people Really Mean Business (oh yes). >>> >>> Now go forth and sin no more. >> >> But to go Forth, it probably helps to have an Apple PowerPC machine :-P > > Gforth works fine on Linux x64 distros. Well, as fine as Forth ever > worked. Yes, but then you need to boot Linux first. -- Nuno Silva
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| From | Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> |
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| Date | 2026-06-27 15:52 +1200 |
| Message-ID | <111nhe1$10nmj$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #88434 |
On 2026-06-26 18:03:34 +0000, rbowman said: > On Fri, 26 Jun 2026 09:09:00 +0100, Nuno Silva wrote: >> On 2026-06-26, vallor wrote: >>> At Thu, 25 Jun 2026 23:22:35 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro >>> <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: >>>> On Thu, 25 Jun 2026 18:32:08 +0200, John Bokma wrote: >>>>> On 25/06/2026 03:14, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote: >>>>>> On Wed, 24 Jun 2026 17:15:58 +0200, John Bokma wrote: >>>>>>> On 24/06/2026 03:24, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Yeah, Linux is a proper Unix-type system, unlike that whatever it >>>>>>>> is that Apple runs on its machines. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> In what way? >>>>>> >>>>>> One obvious one: a core part of the Unix tradition was separation >>>>>> of the GUI from the OS kernel. Apple threw that one right out the >>>>>> window. >>>>> >>>>> How? >>>> >>>> By integrating its GUI tightly into its OS kernel. >>> >>> This has already been explained to you. >>> >>> The OS kernel on a Mac is Darwin: >>> >>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darwin_(operating_system) >>> >>> https://www.puredarwin.org/ >>> >>> ...but you're some kind of concern/Poe troll that is completely >>> intractable regarding MacOS. >>> >>> And while you are fond of using the term *nix, there's nothing wrong >>> with saying "Unix" or "a Unix" to describe POSIX operating systems like >>> Linux or FreeBSD -- because those are not trademarks. >>> (Another term of art is "Unix-like".) >>> >>> https://www.fosslinux.com/44623/top-unix-based-operating-systems.htm >>> >>> UNIX(r), though, is a trademark. All-caps, with an (r) to make sure >>> you know those people Really Mean Business (oh yes). >>> >>> Now go forth and sin no more. >> >> But to go Forth, it probably helps to have an Apple PowerPC machine :-P > > Gforth works fine on Linux x64 distros. Well, as fine as Forth ever > worked. Gforth also works on MacOS X (Intel and Apple Silicon), as do a lot of other Forth options, so you can use a real operating system to create apps using an ancient programming language. :-p
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-06-27 04:12 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <na90u5Fn14bU2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #88446 |
On Sat, 27 Jun 2026 15:52:33 +1200, Your Name wrote: > Gforth also works on MacOS X (Intel and Apple Silicon), as do a lot of > other Forth options, so you can use a real operating system to create > apps using an ancient programming language. :-p The only Apple device I've ever had is an iPod Shuffle that was given to me long ago.
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-06-27 09:41 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <111o2b2$14qc4$3@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #88447 |
On 27/06/2026 05:12, rbowman wrote: > On Sat, 27 Jun 2026 15:52:33 +1200, Your Name wrote: > >> Gforth also works on MacOS X (Intel and Apple Silicon), as do a lot of >> other Forth options, so you can use a real operating system to create >> apps using an ancient programming language. :-p > > The only Apple device I've ever had is an iPod Shuffle that was given to > me long ago. I had a few power PCS back when I was married - my ex wife was a graphic designer weaned on MACs and Quark. I used one as a daily drive for a year or so. Mac OS-X Tiger I think Then I moved to linux and never looked back. Terrible machines. They were essentially computers for people who knew nothing about computers, and absolutely didn't want to know. Even more than Windows there was One True Way™ to use them, and heaven forfend if you stepped off the One True Path ... -- “It is hard to imagine a more stupid decision or more dangerous way of making decisions than by putting those decisions in the hands of people who pay no price for being wrong.” Thomas Sowell
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| From | Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-06-27 18:22 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <FxU%R.1469$Cur5.215@fx45.iad> |
| In reply to | #88453 |
On 2026-06-27, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote: > On 27/06/2026 05:12, rbowman wrote: > >> On Sat, 27 Jun 2026 15:52:33 +1200, Your Name wrote: >> >>> Gforth also works on MacOS X (Intel and Apple Silicon), as do a lot of >>> other Forth options, so you can use a real operating system to create >>> apps using an ancient programming language. :-p >> >> The only Apple device I've ever had is an iPod Shuffle that was given to >> me long ago. > > I had a few power PCS back when I was married - my ex wife was a graphic > designer weaned on MACs and Quark. > > I used one as a daily drive for a year or so. Mac OS-X Tiger I think > > Then I moved to linux and never looked back. Terrible machines. > > They were essentially computers for people who knew nothing about > computers, and absolutely didn't want to know. > > Even more than Windows there was One True Way™ to use them, and heaven > forfend if you stepped off the One True Path ... My wife has drunk the Kool-Aid - she has a Macbook, an iPad, and an iPhone. The Macbook's web browser has started getting slow and cranky - she went to the Apple store and they told her that she needs a new Macbook because her existing one is no longer secure - something about software updates not being available until she takes another $3000 step on the upgrade treadmill. For now she'll just use it for computing applications that don't need bleeding-edge web security, or apps that pose as much of a risk as the ones they claim to avoid. She uses the iPad and iPhone for just about everything anyway. My impression of Apple gear on the few times I use it is that it feels less like I'm using it than it's using me. Fortunately I discovered that I can still open a terminal window and use rsync to transfer files to and from my Linux boxes. -- /~\ Charlie Gibbs | No artificial \ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | intelligence was X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | used in the creation / \ if you read it the right way. | of this post.
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-06-27 19:57 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <naao92F3a8oU5@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #88458 |
On Sat, 27 Jun 2026 18:22:29 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > My wife has drunk the Kool-Aid - she has a Macbook, an iPad, and an > iPhone. My ex has an iPhone. I don't think there was Kool-Aid involved as much as ubiquitous advertising, product placement, and Apple stores. She also has a glucose monitoring system which has an app for Android. Like the company I worked for they may have decided jumping through the hoops to get an app into the Apple store wasn't worth the trouble for a very limited audience so she has a separate monitor. It must be sturdy since I gather it has had a hard life. She isn't as prone to throwing things in her older years but it gets dropped a lot.
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| From | Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> |
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| Date | 2026-06-28 10:35 +1200 |
| Message-ID | <111pj6u$38lil$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #88458 |
On 2026-06-27 18:22:29 +0000, Charlie Gibbs said: > On 2026-06-27, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote: >> On 27/06/2026 05:12, rbowman wrote: >>> On Sat, 27 Jun 2026 15:52:33 +1200, Your Name wrote: >>>> >>>> Gforth also works on MacOS X (Intel and Apple Silicon), as do a lot of >>>> other Forth options, so you can use a real operating system to create >>>> apps using an ancient programming language. :-p >>> >>> The only Apple device I've ever had is an iPod Shuffle that was given to >>> me long ago. >> >> I had a few power PCS back when I was married - my ex wife was a graphic >> designer weaned on MACs and Quark. >> >> I used one as a daily drive for a year or so. Mac OS-X Tiger I think >> >> Then I moved to linux and never looked back. Terrible machines. >> >> They were essentially computers for people who knew nothing about >> computers, and absolutely didn't want to know. >> >> Even more than Windows there was One True Way™ to use them, and heaven >> forfend if you stepped off the One True Path ... > > My wife has drunk the Kool-Aid - she has a Macbook, an iPad, and an > iPhone. The Macbook's web browser has started getting slow and cranky - > she went to the Apple store and they told her that she needs a new > Macbook because her existing one is no longer secure - something about > software updates not being available A web browser is just a web browser. The app itself can't get slower than it was originally, except if you've got a ton of bookmarks or keep lots of windows / tabs open all the time. If your storage drive is nearly full up (which isn't difficult with Apple's stingy drive sizes in the off-the-shelf models), then the computer can get slow as it tries to find / make room for temporary files, page swapping RAM, etc. Simply getting rid of some files (either delete them or transfer them to external drives) will help - one place to check is the Downloads folder, where most people keep a lot of garbage they don't need, including multiple copies of stuff. At worst, do a backup and then reinstall the OS from fresh, only transferring back the files you actually need. Or, if you're really nitpicky, swapping a hard drive to a SSD will make it run faster, although most more recent models have the drives soldered in, so that would mean using an external SSD as a boot drive through whichever is the fastest connection port type (Firewire, Thunderbolt, USB-3. A "cranky" web browser may be too old for the websites you want to use. Simply change to a more up-to-date web browser. Firefox lasts longer than Safari. Security updates, they're rather pointless, unless you tend to do lots of stupid things, such as visiting porn or pirate websites. Otherwise there is no real malware to worry about, just lots of theoretical reports published by the companies that sell anti-malware apps - I've been using Apple devices since the days of the Apple II, personally and professionally, and have NEVER come across any Mac malware in the wild, and that includes helping complete novices who would blindly click on all sorts of weird pop-ups and use stupidly simple passwords. I used my own old PowerPC Mac for about 25 years before it died with a motherboard failure, so it was well past any updates. So as long as the computer still does what is needed, there's no actual reason to get a new one - and if you do really need a new one, then Apple's refurbished store is a cheaper way, or the educational discount if you are or know a teacher / student. > until she takes another $3000 step on the upgrade treadmill. For now > she'll just use it for computing applications that don't need > bleeding-edge web security, or apps that pose as much of a risk as the > ones they claim to avoid. She uses the iPad and iPhone for just about > everything anyway. > > My impression of Apple gear on the few times I use it is that it feels > less like I'm using it than it's using me. Fortunately I discovered > that I can still open a terminal window and use rsync to transfer files > to and from my Linux boxes.
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