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Keeping 'order' without RTC.

Started bynot.socialnetwork@gmail.com
First post2015-02-28 12:13 +0000
Last post2015-04-14 06:46 +0000
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  Keeping 'order' without RTC. not.socialnetwork@gmail.com - 2015-02-28 12:13 +0000
    Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. Robert Heller <heller@deepsoft.com> - 2015-02-28 06:52 -0600
    Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. Rob <nomail@example.com> - 2015-02-28 13:17 +0000
      Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. Robert Heller <heller@deepsoft.com> - 2015-02-28 07:59 -0600
      Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2015-02-28 18:28 +0000
        Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. Rob <nomail@example.com> - 2015-02-28 19:13 +0000
          Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2015-02-28 19:22 +0000
            Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. Baho Utot <baho-utot@columbus.rr.com> - 2015-02-28 15:48 -0500
            Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. Rob <nomail@example.com> - 2015-02-28 21:14 +0000
              Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. mm0fmf <none@mailinator.com> - 2015-02-28 22:40 +0000
                Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2015-02-28 18:01 -0600
                  Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2015-03-01 01:44 +0000
                Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. Rob <nomail@example.com> - 2015-03-01 07:21 +0000
                  Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. cl@isbd.net - 2015-03-01 09:17 +0000
                    Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. alister <alister.nospam.ware@ntlworld.com> - 2015-03-01 10:08 +0000
                      Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2015-03-01 11:29 +0000
                        Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2015-03-01 17:18 +0000
                          Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2015-03-01 18:33 +0000
                        Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. Unknown <dog@gmail.com> - 2015-03-02 09:06 +0000
                          Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. alister <alister.nospam.ware@ntlworld.com> - 2015-03-02 09:19 +0000
                            Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. mm0fmf <none@mailinator.com> - 2015-03-02 17:13 +0000
                          Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. Rob <nomail@example.com> - 2015-03-02 09:29 +0000
                          Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2015-03-02 16:27 +0000
                            Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. Jim Diamond <Jim.Diamond@deletethis.AcadiaU.ca> - 2015-03-05 08:36 -0400
                      Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. cl@isbd.net - 2015-03-01 11:25 +0000
                        Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. Rob <nomail@example.com> - 2015-03-01 11:40 +0000
                        Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. alister <alister.nospam.ware@ntlworld.com> - 2015-03-01 16:08 +0000
                    Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2015-03-01 17:11 +0000
                      Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2015-03-01 18:47 +0000
                        Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. David Taylor <david-taylor@blueyonder.co.uk.invalid> - 2015-03-01 19:26 +0000
                        Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. J G Miller <miller@yoyo.ORG> - 2015-03-03 22:27 +0000
                          Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2015-03-04 00:50 +0000
                            Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2015-03-04 01:51 +0000
                              Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. J G Miller <miller@yoyo.ORG> - 2015-03-04 17:05 +0000
                                Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2015-03-04 17:59 +0000
                                  Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. David Taylor <david-taylor@blueyonder.co.uk.invalid> - 2015-03-05 11:46 +0000
                                    Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2015-03-06 00:00 +0000
                                      Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. David Taylor <david-taylor@blueyonder.co.uk.invalid> - 2015-03-06 06:55 +0000
                            Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. Tim Watts <tw_usenet@dionic.net> - 2015-03-04 07:31 +0000
                              Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2015-03-04 10:00 +0000
                                Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. Tim Watts <tw_usenet@dionic.net> - 2015-03-04 11:01 +0000
                                  Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2015-03-04 22:15 +0000
                                    Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. Tim Watts <tw_usenet@dionic.net> - 2015-03-04 22:20 +0000
                                    Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2015-03-05 01:07 +0000
                                      Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2015-03-05 10:20 +0000
                                        Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. Rob <nomail@example.com> - 2015-03-05 10:51 +0000
                                          Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. David Taylor <david-taylor@blueyonder.co.uk.invalid> - 2015-03-05 11:53 +0000
                                            Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. Rob <nomail@example.com> - 2015-03-05 15:35 +0000
                                              Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. David Taylor <david-taylor@blueyonder.co.uk.invalid> - 2015-03-05 17:24 +0000
                                        Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. David Taylor <david-taylor@blueyonder.co.uk.invalid> - 2015-03-05 11:49 +0000
                                        Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2015-03-05 23:56 +0000
                                Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2015-03-04 16:06 +0000
                                  Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2015-03-04 22:34 +0000
                            Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. Rob <nomail@example.com> - 2015-03-04 08:23 +0000
                              Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2015-03-04 11:19 +0000
                                Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. mm0fmf <none@mailinator.com> - 2015-03-04 17:44 +0000
                              Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2015-03-04 16:10 +0000
                            Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. Tauno Voipio <tauno.voipio@notused.fi.invalid> - 2015-03-04 10:43 +0200
                              Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. David Taylor <david-taylor@blueyonder.co.uk.invalid> - 2015-03-04 09:28 +0000
                              Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2015-03-04 16:11 +0000
                          Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. Rob <nomail@example.com> - 2015-03-04 08:22 +0000
    Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. Richard Kettlewell <rjk@greenend.org.uk> - 2015-02-28 13:34 +0000
      Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. Baho Utot <baho-utot@columbus.rr.com> - 2015-02-28 09:14 -0500
        Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. Robert Heller <heller@deepsoft.com> - 2015-02-28 08:52 -0600
        Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. Richard Kettlewell <rjk@greenend.org.uk> - 2015-02-28 15:22 +0000
          Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. Baho Utot <baho-utot@columbus.rr.com> - 2015-02-28 15:46 -0500
            Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. Richard Kettlewell <rjk@greenend.org.uk> - 2015-02-28 21:10 +0000
              Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. Baho Utot <baho-utot@columbus.rr.com> - 2015-02-28 19:48 -0500
                Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. Richard Kettlewell <rjk@greenend.org.uk> - 2015-03-01 09:08 +0000
                  Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. Baho Utot <baho-utot@columbus.rr.com> - 2015-03-01 07:52 -0500
                    Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. Rob Morley <nospam@ntlworld.com> - 2015-03-01 16:15 +0000
                    Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. Mike Fleming <{mike}@tauzero.co.uk> - 2015-03-01 20:28 +0000
      Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. not.socialnetwork@gmail.com - 2015-03-01 11:00 +0000
        Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. Rob <nomail@example.com> - 2015-03-01 11:17 +0000
          Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. Unknown <dog@gmail.com> - 2015-03-03 07:37 +0000
            Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2015-03-03 17:21 +0000
        Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2015-03-01 11:43 +0000
          Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. RRansil <ransil@invalid.invalid> - 2015-03-01 10:44 -0800
            Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. mm0fmf <none@mailinator.com> - 2015-03-01 19:08 +0000
              Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2015-03-01 20:46 +0000
                Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. RRansil <ransil@invalid.invalid> - 2015-03-01 13:12 -0800
              Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. RRansil <ransil@invalid.invalid> - 2015-03-01 13:07 -0800
            Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2015-03-01 21:56 +0000
              Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. RRansil <ransil@invalid.invalid> - 2015-03-01 14:49 -0800
    Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2015-02-28 18:26 +0000
    Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. David Taylor <david-taylor@blueyonder.co.uk.invalid> - 2015-02-28 19:29 +0000
    Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-03-01 14:22 -0500
      Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2015-03-01 21:54 +0000
        Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. Johny B Good <johnny-b-good@invalid.ntlworld.com> - 2015-03-02 16:12 +0000
          Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> - 2015-03-02 19:57 +0100
            Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. "David B" <askforemail@gmail.com> - 2015-03-03 10:15 +0000
              Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-03-03 19:38 +0000
              Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. Jack Strangio  <jackstrangio@yahoo.com> - 2015-03-04 10:43 +0000
                Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. Tim Watts <tw_usenet@dionic.net> - 2015-03-04 11:23 +0000
                  Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2015-03-04 11:30 +0000
                Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. Johny B Good <johnny-b-good@invalid.ntlworld.com> - 2015-03-04 15:25 +0000
                Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2015-03-04 16:13 +0000
                  Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2015-03-04 16:31 +0000
                    Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. "David B" <askforemail@gmail.com> - 2015-03-04 16:38 +0000
                    Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. Aragorn <thorongil@telenet.be.invalid> - 2015-03-04 17:39 +0100
                      Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. "David B" <askforemail@gmail.com> - 2015-03-04 16:53 +0000
                      Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2015-03-04 17:03 +0000
                    Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2015-03-04 08:52 -0800
                      Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. Dennis Lee Bieber <wlfraed@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-03-05 20:23 -0500
                    Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-03-04 17:29 +0000
                    Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. Dennis Lee Bieber <wlfraed@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-03-05 20:16 -0500
                      Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-03-05 22:38 -0500
                        Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-03-06 17:46 +0000
                          Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. Gordon Henderson <gordon+usenet@drogon.net> - 2015-03-06 18:45 +0000
                          Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. Michael J. Mahon <mjmahon@aol.com> - 2015-03-06 14:56 -0600
                    Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. Jack Strangio  <jackstrangio@yahoo.com> - 2015-03-06 06:30 +0000
                      Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. "Kerr Mudd-John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2015-03-06 08:24 +0000
                        Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-03-06 17:46 +0000
                          Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2015-03-06 10:02 -0800
                      Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. Rob <nomail@example.com> - 2015-03-06 09:26 +0000
                        Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. Jack Strangio  <jackstrangio@yahoo.com> - 2015-03-07 00:34 +0000
                  Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. Jack Strangio  <jackstrangio@yahoo.com> - 2015-03-06 06:21 +0000
                    Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. alister <alister.nospam.ware@ntlworld.com> - 2015-03-06 11:17 +0000
                    Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. Michael J. Mahon <mjmahon@aol.com> - 2015-03-06 14:56 -0600
                      Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. Rob <nomail@example.com> - 2015-03-07 12:14 +0000
                      Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. Jack Strangio  <jackstrangio@yahoo.com> - 2015-03-08 02:38 +0000
                        Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. Michael J. Mahon <mjmahon@aol.com> - 2015-03-07 21:15 -0600
                          Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2015-03-07 21:44 -0600
                          Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-03-08 16:26 +0000
                        Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. Rob <nomail@example.com> - 2015-03-08 09:42 +0000
            Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. Johny B Good <johnny-b-good@invalid.ntlworld.com> - 2015-03-03 23:20 +0000
          Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. Unknown <dog@gmail.com> - 2015-03-05 08:52 +0000
            Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. alister <alister.nospam.ware@ntlworld.com> - 2015-03-05 09:13 +0000
              Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2015-03-05 09:47 +0000
                Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. Johny B Good <johnny-b-good@invalid.ntlworld.com> - 2015-03-06 01:31 +0000
              Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. Unknown <dog@gmail.com> - 2015-03-11 04:53 +0000
                Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2015-03-11 05:24 +0000
                  Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. Keith Keller <kkeller-usenet@wombat.san-francisco.ca.us> - 2015-03-11 07:58 -0700
                  Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. mm0fmf <none@mailinator.com> - 2015-03-11 19:01 +0000
                Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. Joe Beanfish <joebeanfish@nospam.duh> - 2015-03-11 13:20 +0000
                  Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. Unknown <dog@gmail.com> - 2015-04-12 17:17 +0000
                    Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-04-12 13:50 -0400
                      Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. Joe Beanfish <joebeanfish@nospam.duh> - 2015-04-13 13:14 +0000
                        Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2015-04-13 15:10 +0100
                          Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. Gordon Levi <gordon@address.invalid> - 2015-04-14 00:30 +1000
                            Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2015-04-13 17:47 +0100
                            Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. Morten Reistad <first@last.name> - 2015-04-15 22:37 +0200
                              Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. Rob Morley <nospam@ntlworld.com> - 2015-04-17 02:32 +0100
                              Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. Unknown <dog@gmail.com> - 2015-04-25 23:09 +0000
                                Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. Joe Beanfish <joebeanfish@nospam.duh> - 2015-04-27 13:13 +0000
                        Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-04-13 16:22 -0400
                          Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. Dennis Lee Bieber <wlfraed@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-04-13 21:14 -0400
                            Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-04-13 21:55 -0400
                            Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2015-04-14 09:06 +0000
                              Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2015-04-14 10:12 +0100
                                Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. David Taylor <david-taylor@blueyonder.co.uk.invalid> - 2015-04-14 10:29 +0100
                                Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2015-04-14 12:05 +0000
                            Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. Jerry Peters <jerry@example.invalid> - 2015-04-14 22:08 +0000
                            Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-04-16 14:11 -0400
                              Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2015-04-16 20:15 +0000
                      Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. c28f62@TheWorld.com (Mark Kramer) - 2015-04-14 05:25 +0000
                        Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-04-16 14:13 -0400
                          Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. Jerry Peters <jerry@example.invalid> - 2015-04-16 20:18 +0000
                          Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. c28f62@TheWorld.com (Mark Kramer) - 2015-05-04 03:44 +0000
                            Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2015-05-04 04:44 +0000
                              Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. Jack Ryan <noreply@remailer.cpunk.us> - 2015-05-04 07:54 -0400
                                Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2015-05-04 18:26 +0000
                                  Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. "John Williams (News)" <UCEbin@tiscali.co.uk> - 2015-05-04 19:40 +0100
                                  Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. Kees Theunissen <theuniss@rijnh.nl> - 2015-05-04 22:31 +0200
                                    Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2015-05-04 22:35 +0000
                                      Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2015-05-04 19:13 -0500
                                        Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2015-05-05 02:56 +0000
                                          Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. Michael Baeuerle <michael.baeuerle@stz-e.de> - 2015-05-05 08:04 +0000
                                          Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. Richard Kettlewell <rjk@greenend.org.uk> - 2015-05-05 09:22 +0100
                                          Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2015-05-05 08:26 -0500
                                            Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2015-05-05 18:08 +0000
                                            Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. druck <news@druck.org.uk> - 2015-05-11 23:16 +0100
                                              Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2015-05-11 17:52 -0500
                                                Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2015-05-12 07:09 +0100
                                                  Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2015-05-12 06:47 +0000
                                                    Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2015-05-12 08:27 +0100
                                                      Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2015-05-12 15:44 +0000
                                                        Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. Richard Kettlewell <rjk@greenend.org.uk> - 2015-05-12 17:08 +0100
                                                          Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2015-05-12 17:21 +0000
                                                            Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2015-05-12 12:41 -0500
                                                            Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. Richard Kettlewell <rjk@greenend.org.uk> - 2015-05-12 19:03 +0100
                                                              Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2015-05-12 18:26 +0000
                                                                Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. Richard Kettlewell <rjk@greenend.org.uk> - 2015-05-12 19:59 +0100
                                                                  Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2015-05-12 20:05 +0000
                                                                    Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. Richard Kettlewell <rjk@greenend.org.uk> - 2015-05-12 22:58 +0100
                                                                      Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2015-05-13 01:15 +0000
                                                                        Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2015-05-13 08:14 +0100
                                                                        Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. Richard Kettlewell <rjk@greenend.org.uk> - 2015-05-13 09:24 +0100
                                                        Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2015-05-12 11:50 -0500
                                                          Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2015-05-12 18:52 +0100
                                                        Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. c28f62@TheWorld.com (Mark Kramer) - 2015-05-12 17:29 +0000
                                                          Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2015-05-12 18:36 +0000
                                                            Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. Richard Kettlewell <rjk@greenend.org.uk> - 2015-05-12 20:00 +0100
                                                              Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2015-05-12 20:06 +0000
                                  Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. c28f62@TheWorld.com (Mark Kramer) - 2015-05-12 06:14 +0000
                              Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. c28f62@TheWorld.com (Mark Kramer) - 2015-05-12 06:09 +0000
                                Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2015-05-12 06:44 +0000
                                  Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. c28f62@TheWorld.com (Mark Kramer) - 2015-05-12 17:45 +0000
                                    Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2015-05-12 21:06 +0100
                      Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2015-04-14 23:18 +0000
                        Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. Dennis Lee Bieber <wlfraed@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-04-14 20:58 -0400
                          Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2015-04-15 06:20 +0000
                        Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. Andrew Smallshaw <andrews@sdf.lonestar.org> - 2015-04-16 02:58 +0000
                          Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2015-04-16 05:21 +0100
                          Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. Aragorn <thorongil@telenet.be.invalid> - 2015-04-16 11:42 +0200
                            Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. Rob <nomail@example.com> - 2015-04-16 12:10 +0000
                              Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2015-04-16 13:42 +0100
                                Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. Rob <nomail@example.com> - 2015-04-16 15:06 +0000
                                  Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. druck <news@druck.org.uk> - 2015-04-16 23:09 +0100
                        Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-04-16 14:17 -0400
      Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. Unknown <dog@gmail.com> - 2015-03-04 09:56 +0000
      Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. ruben safir <ruben@mrbrklyn.com> - 2015-04-16 06:13 -0400
        Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2015-04-16 12:40 +0100
          Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. Baho Utot <baho-utot@columbus.rr.com> - 2015-04-16 16:32 -0400
        Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2015-04-17 01:54 +0000
          Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2015-04-17 06:34 +0100
          Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. Dr J R Stockton <reply1500@merlyn.demon.co.uk.invalid> - 2015-04-18 23:13 +0100
    Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2015-04-13 20:39 -0500
      Re: Keeping 'order' without RTC. Rob <nomail@example.com> - 2015-04-14 06:46 +0000

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#13845

Frommm0fmf <none@mailinator.com>
Date2015-03-02 17:13 +0000
Message-ID<zS0Jw.1026287$Ud7.387692@fx11.am4>
In reply to#13840
On 02/03/2015 09:19, alister wrote:
> Therefore the options are simple & in order of preference.

1. Don't feed the troll
2. Don't feed the troll.
3. Don't feed the troll.

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#13841

FromRob <nomail@example.com>
Date2015-03-02 09:29 +0000
Message-ID<slrnmf8bc0.qrd.nomail@xs8.xs4all.nl>
In reply to#13839
Unknown <dog@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sun, 01 Mar 2015 11:29:49 +0000, Martin Gregorie wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 01 Mar 2015 10:08:58 +0000, alister wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>> forget NTP how about just stetting the damn time manually from the
>>> command line before starting, or am I missing something obvious here.
>>>
>> No, you're not missing anything.
>> 
>> My RPi is always run headless over SSH, so installing and configuring
>> ntpd was an obvious no-brainer and one of the first things I did when it
>> arrived.
>> 
>> However, if you only have an A or for some reason don't want to or can't
>> be bothered to put your B/B+/2B on a LAN, then its back to the good old
>> days of 8 bit systems and getting a date prompt each time you boot up.
>> It should be simple enough to configure your RPi and/or write a short
>> script to prompt for the date.
>> 
>> If you don't want to be bothered even with that, just set up a link to
>> your version control system from your RPi. Not got a version control
>> system already? Then you're scarcely a serious programmer yet, are you?
>
> Files are transfered to OP's rPi on a USBstik, before that is carried to
> a location which has no electricity-supply. It's in a shoe-box with a 6V
> accumulator. For TextToSpeech; no display; only control is on/off switch.
>
> Setting the date at each boot, on a device which HAS a keybrd+display 
> is lame - too.
>
> This problem is for inventive minds, not a hi-tech solution via your
> credit-card-at-wallmart.
>
>

Aha it is you!   We should have known that, and just ignore you.

Anyway, when you have designed and built a system that requires real
time and has no network, your selection of the Raspberry Pi has
been WRONG, because it does not include an RTC.

Fortunately for you, RTC modules are available as an add-on, so you
can still save your butt.

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#13844

FromWilliam Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca>
Date2015-03-02 16:27 +0000
Message-ID<md231h$1nk$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#13839
On 2015-03-02, Unknown <dog@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sun, 01 Mar 2015 11:29:49 +0000, Martin Gregorie wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 01 Mar 2015 10:08:58 +0000, alister wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>> forget NTP how about just stetting the damn time manually from the
>>> command line before starting, or am I missing something obvious here.
>>>
>> No, you're not missing anything.
>> 
>> My RPi is always run headless over SSH, so installing and configuring
>> ntpd was an obvious no-brainer and one of the first things I did when it
>> arrived.
>> 
>> However, if you only have an A or for some reason don't want to or can't
>> be bothered to put your B/B+/2B on a LAN, then its back to the good old
>> days of 8 bit systems and getting a date prompt each time you boot up.
>> It should be simple enough to configure your RPi and/or write a short
>> script to prompt for the date.
>> 
>> If you don't want to be bothered even with that, just set up a link to
>> your version control system from your RPi. Not got a version control
>> system already? Then you're scarcely a serious programmer yet, are you?
>
> Files are transfered to OP's rPi on a USBstik, before that is carried to
> a location which has no electricity-supply. It's in a shoe-box with a 6V
> accumulator. For TextToSpeech; no display; only control is on/off switch.
>
> Setting the date at each boot, on a device which HAS a keybrd+display 
> is lame - too.
>
> This problem is for inventive minds, not a hi-tech solution via your
> credit-card-at-wallmart.

Of course you now tell us what the situation is. 
And you ignore suggestions-- eg look into /var/log/ and find the most
recent date, and use that or say 5 min later, to set your clock on
bootup. Or as others have noted apparenlty the RPi saves the current
time to a file periodically. Use that as the new time when the Pi boots
up. Or put a cron job to run every minute to save the current time to a
file, and use that at bootup. 

All of these suggestions have been made and you spend your time
attacking someone who had not idea what your setup was, because you
never told anyone. It does look like you are a troll.

>
>

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#13933

FromJim Diamond <Jim.Diamond@deletethis.AcadiaU.ca>
Date2015-03-05 08:36 -0400
Message-ID<slrnmfgjfg.v9e.Jim.Diamond@jdiamond-nb.acadiau.ca>
In reply to#13844
On 2015-03-02 at 12:27 AST, William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> wrote:
> On 2015-03-02, Unknown <dog@gmail.com> wrote:

> It does look like you are a troll.
Another light bulb goes on.  Hallelujah!

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#13810

Fromcl@isbd.net
Date2015-03-01 11:25 +0000
Message-ID<eh9bsb-uv1.ln1@esprimo.zbmc.eu>
In reply to#13806
alister <alister.nospam.ware@ntlworld.com> wrote:
> On Sun, 01 Mar 2015 09:17:05 +0000, cl wrote:
> 
> > Rob <nomail@example.com> wrote:
> >> mm0fmf <none@mailinator.com> wrote:
> >> > On 28/02/2015 21:14, Rob wrote:
> >> >> William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> wrote:
> >> >>> It is the operating system (not rsync)  that may have trouble if it
> >> >>> finds files 45 years in the future, because it thinks it is still
> >> >>> 1970.
> >> >>
> >> >> The operating system does not care about that.
> >> >>
> >> >> The only problem that may occur is that one of those files is
> >> >> modified, then gets an old modification time, then copied back onto
> >> >> the USBstick and the user is confused to see such an old file on the
> >> >> stick, or it may fail to be copied back to the other system when
> >> >> "copy only newer files"
> >> >> is used as a synchronization method (i.e. not the rsync default)
> >> >>
> >> >> But those issues can be easily avoided using NTP.  I think the Pi
> >> >> image comes with ntpd and pool.ntp.org by default, but I always
> >> >> change that to use my own NTP servers.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> > The problem with NTP is you need a network connection and our troll
> >> > (remember he's the guy asking the bizarre questions people can't help
> >> > themselves from answering) doesn't have an internet connection.
> >> > Except when he's trolling, then his net connection is real peachy.
> >> 
> >> No internet connection is required at all.  Just configure one of the
> >> other systems on the network as an NTP server.
> > 
> > It has to know the right time somehow though, by using NTP? :-)
> 
> forget NTP how about just stetting the damn time manually from the 
> command line before starting, or am I missing something obvious here.
>  
That's fine for a system where you have access but what about remote
monitoring systems which are set up to restart after power outages etc.?

-- 
Chris Green
ยท

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#13811

FromRob <nomail@example.com>
Date2015-03-01 11:40 +0000
Message-ID<slrnmf5uku.flj.nomail@xs8.xs4all.nl>
In reply to#13810
cl@isbd.net <cl@isbd.net> wrote:
> That's fine for a system where you have access but what about remote
> monitoring systems which are set up to restart after power outages etc.?

When you have no network and do need the RTC time, you need to add
an RTC.

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#13817

Fromalister <alister.nospam.ware@ntlworld.com>
Date2015-03-01 16:08 +0000
Message-ID<mcvdi6$pht$1@speranza.aioe.org>
In reply to#13810
On Sun, 01 Mar 2015 11:25:02 +0000, cl wrote:

> alister <alister.nospam.ware@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>> On Sun, 01 Mar 2015 09:17:05 +0000, cl wrote:
>> 
>> > Rob <nomail@example.com> wrote:
>> >> mm0fmf <none@mailinator.com> wrote:
>> >> > On 28/02/2015 21:14, Rob wrote:
>> >> >> William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> wrote:
>> >> >>> It is the operating system (not rsync)  that may have trouble if
>> >> >>> it finds files 45 years in the future, because it thinks it is
>> >> >>> still 1970.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> The operating system does not care about that.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> The only problem that may occur is that one of those files is
>> >> >> modified, then gets an old modification time, then copied back
>> >> >> onto the USBstick and the user is confused to see such an old
>> >> >> file on the stick, or it may fail to be copied back to the other
>> >> >> system when "copy only newer files"
>> >> >> is used as a synchronization method (i.e. not the rsync default)
>> >> >>
>> >> >> But those issues can be easily avoided using NTP.  I think the Pi
>> >> >> image comes with ntpd and pool.ntp.org by default, but I always
>> >> >> change that to use my own NTP servers.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> > The problem with NTP is you need a network connection and our
>> >> > troll (remember he's the guy asking the bizarre questions people
>> >> > can't help themselves from answering) doesn't have an internet
>> >> > connection. Except when he's trolling, then his net connection is
>> >> > real peachy.
>> >> 
>> >> No internet connection is required at all.  Just configure one of
>> >> the other systems on the network as an NTP server.
>> > 
>> > It has to know the right time somehow though, by using NTP? :-)
>> 
>> forget NTP how about just stetting the damn time manually from the
>> command line before starting, or am I missing something obvious here.
>>  
> That's fine for a system where you have access but what about remote
> monitoring systems which are set up to restart after power outages etc.?

the OP was trying to transfer files too his Pi via a memory stick so I 
naturally infer he has access to the pi itself 



-- 
Eat shit -- billions of flies can't be wrong.

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#13819

FromRich <rich@example.invalid>
Date2015-03-01 17:11 +0000
Message-ID<mcvh76$t9n$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#13804
In comp.os.linux.misc cl@isbd.net wrote:
> Rob <nomail@example.com> wrote:
> > mm0fmf <none@mailinator.com> wrote:
> > > On 28/02/2015 21:14, Rob wrote:
> > >> William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> wrote:
> > >>> It is the operating system (not rsync)  that may have trouble if it finds files 45
> > >>> years in the future, because it thinks it is still 1970.
> > >>
> > >> The operating system does not care about that.
> > >>
> > >> The only problem that may occur is that one of those files is modified,
> > >> then gets an old modification time, then copied back onto the USBstick
> > >> and the user is confused to see such an old file on the stick, or it
> > >> may fail to be copied back to the other system when "copy only newer files"
> > >> is used as a synchronization method (i.e. not the rsync default)
> > >>
> > >> But those issues can be easily avoided using NTP.  I think the Pi
> > >> image comes with ntpd and pool.ntp.org by default, but I always change
> > >> that to use my own NTP servers.
> > >>
> > >
> > > The problem with NTP is you need a network connection and our troll 
> > > (remember he's the guy asking the bizarre questions people can't help 
> > > themselves from answering) doesn't have an internet connection. Except 
> > > when he's trolling, then his net connection is real peachy.
> > 
> > No internet connection is required at all.  Just configure one of the
> > other systems on the network as an NTP server.

> It has to know the right time somehow though, by using NTP? :-)

No.  A (GPS or in the US the signal from Boulder CO that all the "auto
setting" clocks use) radio receiver would work just fine to feed it a
known clock signal.

No 'internet' connection.  No NTP (to get the current time value).

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#13826

FromMartin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid>
Date2015-03-01 18:47 +0000
Message-ID<mcvmro$i52$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#13819
On Sun, 01 Mar 2015 17:11:02 +0000, Rich wrote:

> 
> No.  A (GPS or in the US the signal from Boulder CO that all the "auto
> setting" clocks use) radio receiver would work just fine to feed it a
> known clock signal.
>
Or an MSF receiver in the UK or DCF receivers in much of Europe - there's 
a powerful one near Frankfurt.

Details are here: http://www.buzzard.me.uk/jonathan/radioclock.html

This includes details of how to build a cheap receiver and a Linux 
program to interface it with ntpd. The receiver as described expects to 
be powered by the DTR pin on a serial port and to send data by flapping 
the DCD pin up and down, so its probably fairly easy to make it use an 
RPI's GPIO pins instead.
 

-- 
martin@   | Martin Gregorie
gregorie. | Essex, UK
org       |

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#13829

FromDavid Taylor <david-taylor@blueyonder.co.uk.invalid>
Date2015-03-01 19:26 +0000
Message-ID<mcvp4i$43o$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#13826
On 01/03/2015 18:47, Martin Gregorie wrote:
[]
> Or an MSF receiver in the UK or DCF receivers in much of Europe - there's
> a powerful one near Frankfurt.
>
> Details are here: http://www.buzzard.me.uk/jonathan/radioclock.html
>
> This includes details of how to build a cheap receiver and a Linux
> program to interface it with ntpd. The receiver as described expects to
> be powered by the DTR pin on a serial port and to send data by flapping
> the DCD pin up and down, so its probably fairly easy to make it use an
> RPI's GPIO pins instead.

.. or with GPS:

   http://www.satsignal.eu/ntp/Raspberry-Pi-quickstart.html

and more details:

   http://www.satsignal.eu/ntp/Raspberry-Pi-NTP.html
-- 
Cheers,
David
Web: http://www.satsignal.eu

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#13853

FromJ G Miller <miller@yoyo.ORG>
Date2015-03-03 22:27 +0000
Message-ID<md5cga$ivu$7@dont-email.me>
In reply to#13826
On Sunday, March 1st, 2015, at 18:47:21h +0000, Martin Gregorie wrote:

> Or an MSF receiver in the UK or DCF receivers in much of Europe - there's 
> a powerful one near Frankfurt.

Very true, but not practical for somebody living in Republiek van Suid-Afrika.

According to Wonkeypedia

"A noon gun has been fired in Cape Town, South Africa, since 1806.
 The gun is fired daily from the Lion Battery at Signal Hill."

Apparently at one time there was

2.500 MHz       ZUO         Olifantsfontein, RSA
5.000 MHz       ZUO         Olifantsfontein, RSA 

and

4.291 MHz       ZSC         Cape Town, RSA
8.461 MHz       ZSC         Cape Town, RSA

but the site

<http://jbcs.co.ZA/ham_radio/A_Local_Frequency_Standard.html>

suggests that these stations are no longer in operation.

So alternative sources of time could be DVB-t (using a DVB-t card in a PCI,
grab the time from that and use it to seed the LAN ntpd) or in a similar
manner from DVB-s if a satellite dish is available, or from a GPS handheld
receiver.

Probably all of these suggestions will be rejected by Chris Glurr on
account of being Walmart-credit-card solutions because they involve
some additional cost, so that leaves just the Noon Gun solution, if
he can hear it, way out on the veldt.

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#13856

FromMartin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid>
Date2015-03-04 00:50 +0000
Message-ID<md5kt8$ij1$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#13853
On Tue, 03 Mar 2015 22:27:23 +0000, J G Miller wrote:

> So alternative sources of time could be DVB-t (using a DVB-t card in a
> PCI, grab the time from that and use it to seed the LAN ntpd) or in a
> similar manner from DVB-s if a satellite dish is available, or from a
> GPS handheld receiver.
>
Yes, down in ZA I'd probably go for a GPS receiver, but one of the 
'blind' receivers, e.g a Garmin GPS35 or GPS18, rather than a handheld.
These output an NMEA 183 sentence every second, typically at 4800 baud by 
default but are configurable to higher speeds if required. The GPS35-HV 
model is set up to communicate over a single D-9 connector and wants a 
12v power supply. From memory the other models use TTL levels.

You can find blind GPS receivers on eBay and can probably find used ones 
in ZA - ships chandlers or yacht clubs would be good places to start 
asking around. 

But you're right: Mr Glurr may not agree about the benefits of GPS as a 
time source.


-- 
martin@   | Martin Gregorie
gregorie. | Essex, UK
org       |

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#13857

FromWilliam Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca>
Date2015-03-04 01:51 +0000
Message-ID<md5oee$58n$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#13856
On 2015-03-04, Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> wrote:
> On Tue, 03 Mar 2015 22:27:23 +0000, J G Miller wrote:
>
>> So alternative sources of time could be DVB-t (using a DVB-t card in a
>> PCI, grab the time from that and use it to seed the LAN ntpd) or in a
>> similar manner from DVB-s if a satellite dish is available, or from a
>> GPS handheld receiver.
>>
> Yes, down in ZA I'd probably go for a GPS receiver, but one of the 
> 'blind' receivers, e.g a Garmin GPS35 or GPS18, rather than a handheld.
> These output an NMEA 183 sentence every second, typically at 4800 baud by 
> default but are configurable to higher speeds if required. The GPS35-HV 
> model is set up to communicate over a single D-9 connector and wants a 
> 12v power supply. From memory the other models use TTL levels.

Just get a Sure reciever-- about $35 US, with an antenna (mind you their
antenna is pretty cheap and one of mine failed) It will give a pulse per
second (PPS output) plus a usb NMEA output so you can make your RPi's time
accurate to 100s of nanoseconds (Just the NMEA itself is  good to tens of
ms, but since we are comparing to using a recorded time that is still
about 1000 to 10000 times better.) 

The Sure requires 5V, delivers TTL but most serial ports will be OK with
that although the RPI probably wants less than that on its GPIO pins. 
(stick a diode or two  in series with the PPS signal should bring it low enough)

The board is about the same size as the RPi. One problem might be the
power draw by the RPi if he really is running his system off a battery.
It would probably double the power requirement. 


But there are others-- eg 
http://emerythacks.blogspot.ca/2013/01/u-blox-pci-5s-cheap-gps-module-for-your.html



>
> You can find blind GPS receivers on eBay and can probably find used ones 
> in ZA - ships chandlers or yacht clubs would be good places to start 
> asking around. 

 Not sure what a "blind" gps is, but they tend to be more expensive. 
>
> But you're right: Mr Glurr may not agree about the benefits of GPS as a 
> time source.
>
>

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#13897

FromJ G Miller <miller@yoyo.ORG>
Date2015-03-04 17:05 +0000
Message-ID<md7e0i$5o4$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#13857
On Wednesday, March 4th, 2015, at 01:51:10h +0000, William Unruh wrote:

> Just get a Sure reciever

Thanks for the recommendation/suggestion.

Found it at

      <http://www.satsignal.EU/ntp/Sure-GPS.htm>

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#13903

FromWilliam Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca>
Date2015-03-04 17:59 +0000
Message-ID<md7h67$nvr$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#13897
On 2015-03-04, J G Miller <miller@yoyo.ORG> wrote:
> On Wednesday, March 4th, 2015, at 01:51:10h +0000, William Unruh wrote:
>
>> Just get a Sure reciever
>
> Thanks for the recommendation/suggestion.
>
> Found it at
>
>       <http://www.satsignal.EU/ntp/Sure-GPS.htm>

Unfortunately the link there to the sure store does not work. And on
www.surelectronics.net, there is no gps receiver that I could find.
However on the Sure ebay store they still seem to have them at $38.
They used to have free shipping, but no longer it seems

>

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#13926

FromDavid Taylor <david-taylor@blueyonder.co.uk.invalid>
Date2015-03-05 11:46 +0000
Message-ID<md9flv$4n9$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#13903
On 04/03/2015 17:59, William Unruh wrote:
> On 2015-03-04, J G Miller <miller@yoyo.ORG> wrote:
>> On Wednesday, March 4th, 2015, at 01:51:10h +0000, William Unruh wrote:
>>
>>> Just get a Sure reciever
>>
>> Thanks for the recommendation/suggestion.
>>
>> Found it at
>>
>>        <http://www.satsignal.EU/ntp/Sure-GPS.htm>
>
> Unfortunately the link there to the sure store does not work. And on
> www.surelectronics.net, there is no gps receiver that I could find.
> However on the Sure ebay store they still seem to have them at $38.
> They used to have free shipping, but no longer it seems

Perhaps you might provide a link, Bill, so that I could update my Web 
page to help others....

-- 
Cheers,
David
Web: http://www.satsignal.eu

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#13947

FromWilliam Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca>
Date2015-03-06 00:00 +0000
Message-ID<mdaqm6$muc$3@dont-email.me>
In reply to#13926
On 2015-03-05, David Taylor <david-taylor@blueyonder.co.uk.invalid> wrote:
> On 04/03/2015 17:59, William Unruh wrote:
>> On 2015-03-04, J G Miller <miller@yoyo.ORG> wrote:
>>> On Wednesday, March 4th, 2015, at 01:51:10h +0000, William Unruh wrote:
>>>
>>>> Just get a Sure reciever
>>>
>>> Thanks for the recommendation/suggestion.
>>>
>>> Found it at
>>>
>>>        <http://www.satsignal.EU/ntp/Sure-GPS.htm>
>>
>> Unfortunately the link there to the sure store does not work. And on
>> www.surelectronics.net, there is no gps receiver that I could find.
>> However on the Sure ebay store they still seem to have them at $38.
>> They used to have free shipping, but no longer it seems
>
> Perhaps you might provide a link, Bill, so that I could update my Web 
> page to help others....
>

http://stores.ebay.ca/Sure-Electronics/_i.html?_nkw=gps&submit=Search&_sid=208644246
right now gives a link to their gps modules. Of course this is canada
ebay. I just searched for "sure ebay store" and then typed in "gps" into
the search box.

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#13957

FromDavid Taylor <david-taylor@blueyonder.co.uk.invalid>
Date2015-03-06 06:55 +0000
Message-ID<mdbivb$mm8$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#13947
On 06/03/2015 00:00, William Unruh wrote:
> http://stores.ebay.ca/Sure-Electronics/_i.html?_nkw=gps&submit=Search&_sid=208644246
> right now gives a link to their gps modules. Of course this is canada
> ebay. I just searched for "sure ebay store" and then typed in "gps" into
> the search box.

Thanks, Bill.  Web page updated:

   http://www.satsignal.eu/ntp/Sure-GPS.htm

-- 
Cheers,
David
Web: http://www.satsignal.eu

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#13858

FromTim Watts <tw_usenet@dionic.net>
Date2015-03-04 07:31 +0000
Message-ID<f0pisb-2d7.ln1@squidward.dionic.net>
In reply to#13856
On 04/03/15 00:50, Martin Gregorie wrote:
> On Tue, 03 Mar 2015 22:27:23 +0000, J G Miller wrote:
>
>> So alternative sources of time could be DVB-t (using a DVB-t card in a
>> PCI, grab the time from that and use it to seed the LAN ntpd) or in a
>> similar manner from DVB-s if a satellite dish is available, or from a
>> GPS handheld receiver.
>>
> Yes, down in ZA I'd probably go for a GPS receiver, but one of the
> 'blind' receivers, e.g a Garmin GPS35 or GPS18, rather than a handheld.
> These output an NMEA 183 sentence every second, typically at 4800 baud by
> default but are configurable to higher speeds if required. The GPS35-HV
> model is set up to communicate over a single D-9 connector and wants a
> 12v power supply. From memory the other models use TTL levels.
>
> You can find blind GPS receivers on eBay and can probably find used ones
> in ZA - ships chandlers or yacht clubs would be good places to start
> asking around.
>
> But you're right: Mr Glurr may not agree about the benefits of GPS as a
> time source.
>
>

For a Raspberry a USB GPS would probably be cheaper and simpler - 
bearing in mind the GPS will probably have to be mounted in the roof 
(depending on whether the roof is insulated in foil faced insulation) or 
near a window on the end of a long cable (USB lengths permitting).

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#13864

FromMartin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid>
Date2015-03-04 10:00 +0000
Message-ID<md6l4p$rb8$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#13858
On Wed, 04 Mar 2015 07:31:59 +0000, Tim Watts wrote:

> For a Raspberry a USB GPS would probably be cheaper and simpler -
> bearing in mind the GPS will probably have to be mounted in the roof
> (depending on whether the roof is insulated in foil faced insulation) or
> near a window on the end of a long cable (USB lengths permitting).
>
Thats another reason for using a 'blind' GPS rather than a handheld: many 
of them are sealed, weatherproof units. 


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