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| Started by | vintageapplemac@gmail.com (scole) |
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| First post | 2026-06-19 18:42 +0100 |
| Last post | 2026-06-28 00:13 +0100 |
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Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon vintageapplemac@gmail.com (scole) - 2026-06-19 18:42 +0100
Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon JJenssen <joemajen@arcor.de> - 2026-06-20 12:30 +0200
Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon vintageapplemac@gmail.com (scole) - 2026-06-20 13:10 +0100
Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-20 14:42 +0100
Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon JJenssen <joemajen@arcor.de> - 2026-06-21 07:51 +0200
Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam2616@zugschl.us> - 2026-06-21 09:35 +0200
Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-21 10:29 +0100
Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-21 18:10 +0000
Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2026-06-22 10:16 +1200
Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam2616@zugschl.us> - 2026-06-22 08:13 +0200
Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-22 10:26 +0100
Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-22 14:03 +0000
Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-22 17:25 +0100
Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-22 20:51 +0000
Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-23 04:22 +0100
Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-06-22 17:07 +0000
Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-22 20:47 +0000
Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2026-06-23 10:49 +1200
Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-24 01:30 +0000
Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-24 12:07 +0200
Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-24 11:41 +0100
Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-24 18:42 +0000
Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-06-24 19:42 +0000
Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-06-24 13:25 -0700
Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-06-25 01:39 +0000
Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-06-30 04:10 +0000
Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-24 21:53 +0100
Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-25 01:30 +0000
Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-06-24 08:29 -0700
Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-24 16:36 +0100
Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-06-24 17:33 +0000
Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-25 01:13 +0000
Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-25 11:26 +0200
Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-25 23:21 +0000
Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-26 10:55 +0200
Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-26 10:41 +0100
Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon scott@alfter.diespammersdie.us (Scott Alfter) - 2026-06-24 21:38 +0000
Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-25 01:12 +0000
Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon vintageapplemac@gmail.com (scole) - 2026-06-21 14:21 +0100
Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-21 17:28 +0100
Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-21 18:56 +0200
Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-06-21 17:38 +0000
Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-21 23:36 +0000
Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-21 18:15 +0000
Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-24 01:24 +0000
Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2026-06-24 17:35 +1200
Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam2616@zugschl.us> - 2026-06-24 07:45 +0200
Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-24 11:36 +0100
Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2026-06-25 09:35 +1200
Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-25 01:17 +0000
Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2026-06-25 18:24 +1200
Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-25 10:19 +0100
Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-26 01:59 +0000
Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-25 01:50 +0000
Retroconning closed-source proprietary software, and wiping the rest (was: Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-25 07:12 +0100
Re: Retroconning closed-source proprietary software, and wiping the rest (was: Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon) Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2026-06-25 18:32 +1200
Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2026-06-25 18:27 +1200
Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-25 06:50 +0000
Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2026-06-25 19:41 +1200
Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-25 11:37 +0200
Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-25 18:19 +0100
Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-26 10:01 +0100
"""Standard""" software (was: Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-25 06:55 +0100
Re: """Standard""" software (was: Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon) Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2026-06-25 18:34 +1200
Re: """Standard""" software (was: Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-26 01:57 +0000
Re: """Standard""" software (was: Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon) Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2026-06-26 18:23 +1200
Re: """Standard""" software Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-26 09:37 +0100
Re: """Standard""" software Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2026-06-27 11:00 +1200
Re: """Standard""" software Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-28 08:02 +0100
Re: """Standard""" software "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-28 12:51 +0200
Re: """Standard""" software c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-29 01:53 -0400
Re: """Standard""" software "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-29 10:53 +0200
Re: """Standard""" software Fritz Wuehler <fritz@spamexpire-202606.rodent.frell.theremailer.net> - 2026-06-29 19:01 +0200
Re: """Standard""" software "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-29 19:29 +0200
Re: “Standard” software Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-30 02:48 +0000
Re: “Standard” software Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-30 09:08 +0100
Re: “Standard” software Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-06-30 18:51 +0000
Re: """Standard""" software (was: Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-06-26 18:03 +0000
Re: """Standard""" software (was: Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon) John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-06-26 12:23 -0700
Re: """Standard""" software (was: Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon) Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2026-06-27 11:09 +1200
Re: """Standard""" software (was: Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-06-27 18:22 +0000
Re: """Standard""" software (was: Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-27 19:42 +0000
Re: """Standard""" software (was: Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon) Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2026-06-28 10:46 +1200
Re: """Standard""" software (was: Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon) Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2026-06-28 10:18 +0000
Re: """Standard""" software The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-28 11:26 +0100
Spreadshi^Heet software (was: Re: """Standard""" software) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-29 08:35 +0100
Re: Spreadshi^Heet software (was: Re: """Standard""" software) Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2026-06-29 19:51 +1200
Re: Spreadshi^Heet software Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-29 09:28 +0100
Re: Spreadshi^Heet software Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam2616@zugschl.us> - 2026-06-29 10:53 +0200
Re: Spreadshi^Heet software The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-29 12:53 +0100
Re: """Standard""" software (was: Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-06-28 18:09 +0000
Re: """Standard""" software (was: Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon) Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2026-06-29 10:15 +1200
Re: """Standard""" software Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-29 08:24 +0100
Re: “Standard” software (was: Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-27 23:03 +0000
Re: “Standard” software c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-28 04:13 -0400
Re: “Standard” software The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-28 11:04 +0100
Re: “Standard” software c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-29 01:42 -0400
Re: """Standard""" software (was: Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-27 00:10 +0000
Can be trusted... (Was: """Standard""" software (was: Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and) Linux Mint Cinnamon) gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2026-06-27 12:53 +0000
Re: """Standard""" software (was: Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-06-27 18:22 +0000
Re: """Standard""" software (was: Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-27 19:36 +0000
Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon scott@alfter.diespammersdie.us (Scott Alfter) - 2026-06-25 15:44 +0000
Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-06-24 08:01 -0700
Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-24 16:34 +0100
Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon scott@alfter.diespammersdie.us (Scott Alfter) - 2026-06-25 15:49 +0000
Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-24 18:16 +0000
Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon John Bokma <contact@johnbokma.com> - 2026-06-24 17:15 +0200
Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-25 01:14 +0000
Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon John Bokma <contact@johnbokma.com> - 2026-06-25 18:32 +0200
Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-25 23:22 +0000
Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> - 2026-06-25 23:40 +0000
Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-26 09:09 +0100
Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-26 18:03 +0000
Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-27 00:26 +0100
Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2026-06-27 15:52 +1200
Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-27 04:12 +0000
Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-27 09:41 +0100
Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-06-27 18:22 +0000
Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-27 19:57 +0000
Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2026-06-28 10:35 +1200
Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-28 00:13 +0100
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| From | "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-06-21 18:56 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <n9qjdoFgo3tU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #88150 |
On 2026-06-21 18:28, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 21/06/2026 14:21, scole wrote:
>> In article <1117u54$iqhs$1@dont-email.me>, joemajen@arcor.de wrote:
>>
>>> Am 20.06.26 um 15:42 schrieb The Natural Philosopher:
>>>> On 20/06/2026 13:10, scole wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I'm unfamiliar with "the accumulator"...
>>>>
>>>> Rechargeable battery?
>>>>
>>>
>>> Yes, that is meant. Thank you :)
>>
>> OK, understood. So far, there have been no problems with the battery -
>> charges fine, the laptop works perfectly conencted to the charger and
>> while disconnected, all seems good.
>>
>> One oddity I encountered last night, and have repeated a few times since
>> (although not every time) is when I close the lid while the machine is
>> still on sometimes the machine turns itself off rather than go to sleep!
>> Like I said, it doesn't happen every time so I am trying to pin down
>> which
>> variable I am doing that causes it...
>>
> Linux is rather skittish about resuming after suspending/hibernating. I
> think it has been one of the toughest nuts to crack.
>
> My laptop *generally* comes back and reconnects to the wifi. But it
> hasn't always been the case with earlier versions.
>
> There may be configuration on whether you are suspending hibernating or
> shutting down on lid close
It varies over the years, same machine.
Mine sometimes freezes on lid opening. Random.
My desktop hibernates fine for about two or three weeks, then crashes:
new boot on wake up.
Another old and small laptop which I connect to the TV on sitting room
to watch movies, some times doesn't light up on wake up (either its own
display or the TV display).
--
Cheers,
Carlos E.R.
ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-06-21 17:38 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <ikVZR.363$a702.75@fx07.iad> |
| In reply to | #88151 |
On 2026-06-21, Carlos E. R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote: > On 2026-06-21 18:28, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > >> Linux is rather skittish about resuming after suspending/hibernating. >> I think it has been one of the toughest nuts to crack. >> >> My laptop *generally* comes back and reconnects to the wifi. But it >> hasn't always been the case with earlier versions. >> >> There may be configuration on whether you are suspending hibernating or >> shutting down on lid close > > It varies over the years, same machine. > > Mine sometimes freezes on lid opening. Random. > > My desktop hibernates fine for about two or three weeks, then crashes: > new boot on wake up. > > Another old and small laptop which I connect to the TV on sitting room > to watch movies, some times doesn't light up on wake up (either its own > display or the TV display). My Lenovo T410, running Debian Bookworm, sometimes sits with a black screen for as much as two minutes before waking up when I open the lid. If it's really stubborn, I've found that pressing and holding the power button for a second or two (not enough to force a full power-down), will often give it the kick in the pants it seems to need. Mind you, even in normal operation while using the command line, or command-line utilities, the display will often freeze for a couple of seconds. Anything I type during this time is not lost; it will appear where it belongs when the machine comes back to life. -- /~\ Charlie Gibbs | No artificial \ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | intelligence was X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | used in the creation / \ if you read it the right way. | of this post.
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-06-21 23:36 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <n9ras9F9jmdU12@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #88156 |
On Sun, 21 Jun 2026 17:38:22 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > My Lenovo T410, running Debian Bookworm, sometimes sits with a black > screen for as much as two minutes before waking up when I open the lid. > If it's really stubborn, I've found that pressing and holding the power > button for a second or two (not enough to force a full power-down), will > often give it the kick in the pants it seems to need. My Lenovo T480 is the Leap 16 machine. For me a quick press of the power button is SOP when I move to it. When I had Endeavour on it sometimes a complete restart was needed. Endeavour/Arch worked well until it didn't. Like Tumbbleweed, Rawhide, and Sid it required more care and feeding than the benefits of having the latest greatest brought.
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-06-21 18:15 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <n9qo2aF9jmdU6@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #88150 |
On Sun, 21 Jun 2026 17:28:37 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > My laptop *generally* comes back and reconnects to the wifi. But it > hasn't always been the case with earlier versions. > > There may be configuration on whether you are suspending hibernating or > shutting down on lid close Leap 16 on the Lenovo is good at coming back from the dead. I had to do a little tweaking since at the moment I have two WiFi APs, Verizon and StarLink. It would come up and connect to Verizon. Not handy if you want to connect to the Fedora box on the StarLink LAN.
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| From | Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-06-24 01:24 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <111fbk1$2lq9d$6@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #88109 |
On Fri, 19 Jun 2026 18:42:03 +0100, scole wrote: > I'm still finding my feet with Linux - there's a few strange quirls > to it that my Mac-shaped brain is struggling to cope with ... Yeah, Linux is a proper Unix-type system, unlike that whatever it is that Apple runs on its machines.
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| From | Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> |
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| Date | 2026-06-24 17:35 +1200 |
| Message-ID | <111fqaq$2pbrc$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #88306 |
On 2026-06-24 01:24:17 +0000, Lawrence D´Oliveiro said: > On Fri, 19 Jun 2026 18:42:03 +0100, scole wrote: >> >> I'm still finding my feet with Linux - there's a few strange quirls >> to it that my Mac-shaped brain is struggling to cope with ... > > Yeah, Linux is a proper Unix-type system, unlike that whatever it is > that Apple runs on its machines. Technically, you've got that almost-backwards. Linux is a "Unix-like" operating system. MacOS X is built on Darwin derived from BSD, which is also another Unix-like operating system. Although neither is true Unix, MacOS X is certified by Unix, while Linux is not ... so legally MacOS X can call itself Unix and Linux cannot. :-p
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| From | Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam2616@zugschl.us> |
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| Date | 2026-06-24 07:45 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <111fqum$11vn7$1@news1.tnib.de> |
| In reply to | #88325 |
Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote: >On 2026-06-24 01:24:17 +0000, Lawrence D´Oliveiro said: >> On Fri, 19 Jun 2026 18:42:03 +0100, scole wrote: >>> >>> I'm still finding my feet with Linux - there's a few strange quirls >>> to it that my Mac-shaped brain is struggling to cope with ... >> >> Yeah, Linux is a proper Unix-type system, unlike that whatever it is >> that Apple runs on its machines. > >Technically, you've got that almost-backwards. > >Linux is a "Unix-like" operating system. MacOS X is built on Darwin >derived from BSD, which is also another Unix-like operating system. >Although neither is true Unix, MacOS X is certified by Unix, while >Linux is not ... so legally MacOS X can call itself Unix and Linux >cannot. :-p Noone cares about the brand any more. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Marc Haber | " Questions are the | Mailadresse im Header Rhein-Neckar, DE | Beginning of Wisdom " | Nordisch by Nature | Lt. Worf, TNG "Rightful Heir" | Fon: *49 6224 1600402
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-06-24 11:36 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <111gbuk$2sr2f$13@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #88326 |
On 24/06/2026 06:45, Marc Haber wrote: >> Technically, you've got that almost-backwards. >> >> Linux is a "Unix-like" operating system. MacOS X is built on Darwin >> derived from BSD, which is also another Unix-like operating system. >> Although neither is true Unix, MacOS X is certified by Unix, while >> Linux is not ... so legally MacOS X can call itself Unix and Linux >> cannot. 😛 > Noone cares about the brand any more. Exactly,. we have and operating system that works pretty well available for free across many hardware platforms. With a cute little mascot. Let's call it the Penguin Operating System (POS) and have done with it :-) -- “when things get difficult you just have to lie” ― Jean Claud Jüncker
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| From | Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> |
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| Date | 2026-06-25 09:35 +1200 |
| Message-ID | <111hii9$3b57f$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #88345 |
On 2026-06-24 10:36:04 +0000, The Natural Philosopher said:
> On 24/06/2026 06:45, Marc Haber wrote:
>>> Technically, you've got that almost-backwards.
>>>
>>> Linux is a "Unix-like" operating system. MacOS X is built on Darwin
>>> derived from BSD, which is also another Unix-like operating system.
>>> Although neither is true Unix, MacOS X is certified by Unix, while
>>> Linux is not ... so legally MacOS X can call itself Unix and Linux
>>> cannot. 😛
>>
>> Noone cares about the brand any more.
>
> Exactly,. we have and operating system that works pretty well available
> for free across many hardware platforms. With a cute little mascot.
>
> Let's call it the Penguin Operating System (POS) and have done with it :-)
"PoS" is definitely he correct term for the numerous different Linux
varities. None of the standard software runs on it for a start - no
Adobe, no Microsoft, etc., so if you need to use any of those to be
fully compatible ("alternatives" are never fully compatible, despite
what they like to claim), then you need to use a proper operating
system: MacOS X.
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| From | Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-06-25 01:17 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <111hvij$3e43k$7@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #88366 |
On Thu, 25 Jun 2026 09:35:05 +1200, Your Name wrote: > None of the standard software runs on [Linux] for a start - no > Adobe, no Microsoft, etc. ... Microsoft 365 lists Linux as a supported platform, if you really want that. (Most of us don’t.) As for Adobe ... that doesn’t seem to get much use in high-end content creation, so who cares?
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| From | Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> |
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| Date | 2026-06-25 18:24 +1200 |
| Message-ID | <111ihja$3ifms$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #88374 |
On 2026-06-25 01:17:08 +0000, Lawrence D´Oliveiro said: > On Thu, 25 Jun 2026 09:35:05 +1200, Your Name wrote: >> >> None of the standard software runs on [Linux] for a start - no Adobe, >> no Microsoft, etc. ... > > Microsoft 365 lists Linux as a supported platform, if you really want > that. (Most of us don’t.) "Microsfot 365" will work in anything because it's browser based ... until Microsoft "upgrades" so it no longer works in an old web browser. It's best to steer well clear of such silliness, as well as turning OFF auto-updtes in any subscribed apps (if you're silly enough to subscribe rather than actually buy your apps). > As for Adobe ... that doesn’t seem to get much use in high-end content > creation, so who cares? Adobe is MAINLY used in "high-end content creation" such as magazines, movies, TV, etc. to the point of almost being industry standard.
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-06-25 10:19 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <111irqh$3kt4v$4@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #88386 |
On 25/06/2026 07:24, Your Name wrote: > On 2026-06-25 01:17:08 +0000, Lawrence D´Oliveiro said: >> On Thu, 25 Jun 2026 09:35:05 +1200, Your Name wrote: >>> >>> None of the standard software runs on [Linux] for a start - no Adobe, >>> no Microsoft, etc. ... >> >> Microsoft 365 lists Linux as a supported platform, if you really want >> that. (Most of us don’t.) > > "Microsfot 365" will work in anything because it's browser based ... > until Microsoft "upgrades" so it no longer works in an old web browser. > It's best to steer well clear of such silliness, as well as turning OFF > auto-updtes in any subscribed apps (if you're silly enough to subscribe > rather than actually buy your apps). > > >> As for Adobe ... that doesn’t seem to get much use in high-end content >> creation, so who cares? > > Adobe is MAINLY used in "high-end content creation" such as magazines, > movies, TV, etc. to the point of almost being industry standard. > Yeah. It replaced Quark Express at least a decade ago. Having to make 'collections' of fonts and images to go with the formatted text was a pain. PDFS embedded both. Instead of sending a zip file to the printers, you sent a PDF Sure, if you must run that stuff, you buy a Mac to run it on., Think of it it as a standalone 'creative' machine, not a general purpose computer. The OS is completely irrelevant really, You boot into creative suite and stay there. Same goes for high end CAD/CAM stuff. You never see the OS, only the application. -- If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State. Joseph Goebbels
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| From | Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-06-26 01:59 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <111kmeo$760s$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #88386 |
On Thu, 25 Jun 2026 18:24:43 +1200, Your Name wrote: > On 2026-06-25 01:17:08 +0000, Lawrence D´Oliveiro said: >> >> On Thu, 25 Jun 2026 09:35:05 +1200, Your Name wrote: >>> >>> None of the standard software runs on [Linux] for a start - no >>> Adobe, no Microsoft, etc. ... >> >> Microsoft 365 lists Linux as a supported platform, if you really >> want that. (Most of us don’t.) > > "Microsfot 365" will work in anything because it's browser based ... > until Microsoft "upgrades" so it no longer works in an old web > browser. It's best to steer well clear of such silliness ... But you were the one quoting Microsoft as an example of the sine qua non of app support, weren’t you? Now you’re advising steering clear of them as “silliness” ... >> As for Adobe ... that doesn’t seem to get much use in high-end >> content creation, so who cares? > > Adobe is MAINLY used in "high-end content creation" such as magazines, > movies, TV, etc. to the point of almost being industry standard. Not really, no. Example: artists in the VFX industry mainly have Linux workstations on their desks. Not much Adobe software runs on them.
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| From | Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-06-25 01:50 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <111i1hg$3eom5$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #88366 |
On Wed, 24 Jun 2026 17:35:22 +1200, Your Name wrote: > On 2026-06-24 01:24:17 +0000, Lawrence D´Oliveiro said: >> >> Yeah, Linux is a proper Unix-type system, unlike that whatever it >> is that Apple runs on its machines. > > Technically, you've got that almost-backwards. While on Thu, 25 Jun 2026 09:35:05 +1200, Your Name also wrote: > None of the standard software runs on it for a start - no Adobe, no > Microsoft, etc. ... Interesting how you can claim, on the one hand, that Linux is not a proper Unix-type system, yet the only examples you can offer of software that won’t run on it is from companies that are not known for producing Unix-type software ...
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| From | Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-06-25 07:12 +0100 |
| Subject | Retroconning closed-source proprietary software, and wiping the rest (was: Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon) |
| Message-ID | <111igru$3hha9$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #88378 |
On 2026-06-25, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: > On Wed, 24 Jun 2026 17:35:22 +1200, Your Name wrote: > >> On 2026-06-24 01:24:17 +0000, Lawrence D´Oliveiro said: >>> >>> Yeah, Linux is a proper Unix-type system, unlike that whatever it >>> is that Apple runs on its machines. >> >> Technically, you've got that almost-backwards. > > While on Thu, 25 Jun 2026 09:35:05 +1200, Your Name also wrote: > >> None of the standard software runs on it for a start - no Adobe, no >> Microsoft, etc. ... > > Interesting how you can claim, on the one hand, that Linux is not a > proper Unix-type system, yet the only examples you can offer of > software that won’t run on it is from companies that are not known for > producing Unix-type software ... This really sounded like coming from one of these people who believe that Microsoft and friends are somehow the gate-keepers of computing and that The Microsoft Way™ is the original way - which is quite funny, given how that proprietary, closed source approach was something that had to impose itself on an universe where the source wasn't that hidden, from what I understand... It's as if Microsoft succeeded in rewriting history to pretend that their way is the way things have always been done, and pretending that open-sourced software is something novel that people are trying to push as some sort of extremist move to displace "standard software houses", and implying that it will never be mature enough or the like, despite many such projects being more mature than Microsoft software, besides older. And there indeed are people who believe this, people who will accuse FLOSS projects of merely trying to be "cheap copies" of proprietary software. -- Nuno Silva
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| From | Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> |
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| Date | 2026-06-25 18:32 +1200 |
| Subject | Re: Retroconning closed-source proprietary software, and wiping the rest (was: Re: Early-2014 Macbook Air and Linux Mint Cinnamon) |
| Message-ID | <111ii1v$3ijd3$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #88385 |
On 2026-06-25 06:12:12 +0000, Nuno Silva said: > On 2026-06-25, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: >> On Wed, 24 Jun 2026 17:35:22 +1200, Your Name wrote: >>> On 2026-06-24 01:24:17 +0000, Lawrence D´Oliveiro said: >>>> >>>> Yeah, Linux is a proper Unix-type system, unlike that whatever it is >>>> that Apple runs on its machines. >>> >>> Technically, you've got that almost-backwards. >> >> While on Thu, 25 Jun 2026 09:35:05 +1200, Your Name also wrote: >> >>> None of the standard software runs on it for a start - no Adobe, no >>> Microsoft, etc. ... >> >> Interesting how you can claim, on the one hand, that Linux is not a >> proper Unix-type system, yet the only examples you can offer of >> software that won’t run on it is from companies that are not known for >> producing Unix-type software ... > > This really sounded like coming from one of these people who believe > that Microsoft and friends are somehow the gate-keepers of computing > and that The Microsoft Way™ is the original way - which is quite funny, > given how that proprietary, closed source approach was something that > had to impose itself on an universe where the source wasn't that > hidden, from what I understand... > > It's as if Microsoft succeeded in rewriting history to pretend that > their way is the way things have always been done, and pretending that > open-sourced software is something novel that people are trying to push > as some sort of extremist move to displace "standard software houses", > and implying that it will never be mature enough or the like, despite > many such projects being more mature than Microsoft software, besides > older. > > And there indeed are people who believe this, people who will accuse > FLOSS projects of merely trying to be "cheap copies" of proprietary > software. If you meant me, then I believe Microsoft is a crap company that has zero ability to write decent software, especially for the Mac. Always has been, always will be. What I said was if you need full and reliable compatibility (or at least as close as you can get) with others using those products, then you have to use those products too, rather than supposed "compatible" alternatives which are never really *fully* compatible.
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| From | Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> |
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| Date | 2026-06-25 18:27 +1200 |
| Message-ID | <111ihoo$3igrr$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #88378 |
On 2026-06-25 01:50:40 +0000, Lawrence D´Oliveiro said: > On Wed, 24 Jun 2026 17:35:22 +1200, Your Name wrote: > >> On 2026-06-24 01:24:17 +0000, Lawrence D´Oliveiro said: >>> >>> Yeah, Linux is a proper Unix-type system, unlike that whatever it >>> is that Apple runs on its machines. >> >> Technically, you've got that almost-backwards. > > While on Thu, 25 Jun 2026 09:35:05 +1200, Your Name also wrote: > >> None of the standard software runs on it for a start - no Adobe, no >> Microsoft, etc. ... > > Interesting how you can claim, on the one hand, that Linux is not a > proper Unix-type system, yet the only examples you can offer of > software that won’t run on it is from companies that are not known for > producing Unix-type software ... Those are two separate statements with no connection. :-\ Besides which, those companies do sell software for MacOS, which technically / legally is Unix.
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| From | Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-06-25 06:50 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <111ij2t$3ips6$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #88387 |
On Thu, 25 Jun 2026 18:27:36 +1200, Your Name wrote: > On 2026-06-25 01:50:40 +0000, Lawrence D´Oliveiro said: > >> On Wed, 24 Jun 2026 17:35:22 +1200, Your Name wrote: >> >>> On 2026-06-24 01:24:17 +0000, Lawrence D´Oliveiro said: >>>> >>>> Yeah, Linux is a proper Unix-type system, unlike that whatever it >>>> is that Apple runs on its machines. >>> >>> Technically, you've got that almost-backwards. >> >> While on Thu, 25 Jun 2026 09:35:05 +1200, Your Name also wrote: >> >>> None of the standard software runs on it for a start - no Adobe, >>> no Microsoft, etc. ... >> >> Interesting how you can claim, on the one hand, that Linux is not a >> proper Unix-type system, yet the only examples you can offer of >> software that won’t run on it is from companies that are not known >> for producing Unix-type software ... > > Those are two separate statements with no connection. :-\ Strange. You were intending both of them to try to rebut the same statement of mine. The fact that they contradict one another just shows how weak your attempt at rebuttal is. > Besides which, those companies do sell software for MacOS, which > technically / legally is Unix. Legally only.
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| From | Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> |
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| Date | 2026-06-25 19:41 +1200 |
| Message-ID | <111im39$3jl0a$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #88390 |
On 2026-06-25 06:50:05 +0000, Lawrence D´Oliveiro said: > On Thu, 25 Jun 2026 18:27:36 +1200, Your Name wrote: > >> On 2026-06-25 01:50:40 +0000, Lawrence D´Oliveiro said: >> >>> On Wed, 24 Jun 2026 17:35:22 +1200, Your Name wrote: >>> >>>> On 2026-06-24 01:24:17 +0000, Lawrence D´Oliveiro said: >>>>> >>>>> Yeah, Linux is a proper Unix-type system, unlike that whatever it >>>>> is that Apple runs on its machines. >>>> >>>> Technically, you've got that almost-backwards. >>> >>> While on Thu, 25 Jun 2026 09:35:05 +1200, Your Name also wrote: >>> >>>> None of the standard software runs on it for a start - no Adobe, no >>>> Microsoft, etc. ... >>> >>> Interesting how you can claim, on the one hand, that Linux is not a >>> proper Unix-type system, yet the only examples you can offer of >>> software that won’t run on it is from companies that are not known for >>> producing Unix-type software ... >> >> Those are two separate statements with no connection. :-\ > > Strange. You were intending both of them to try to rebut the same > statement of mine. The fact that they contradict one another just shows > how weak your attempt at rebuttal is. The can't possibly contradict each other since they are complete separate and have no connection to each other, but believe whatever nonsense you want to ... you obviously will anyway. :-\
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| From | "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-06-25 11:37 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <na4b7eF2a6tU2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #88387 |
On 2026-06-25 08:27, Your Name wrote:
> On 2026-06-25 01:50:40 +0000, Lawrence D´Oliveiro said:
>
>> On Wed, 24 Jun 2026 17:35:22 +1200, Your Name wrote:
>>
>>> On 2026-06-24 01:24:17 +0000, Lawrence D´Oliveiro said:
>>>>
>>>> Yeah, Linux is a proper Unix-type system, unlike that whatever it
>>>> is that Apple runs on its machines.
>>>
>>> Technically, you've got that almost-backwards.
>>
>> While on Thu, 25 Jun 2026 09:35:05 +1200, Your Name also wrote:
>>
>>> None of the standard software runs on it for a start - no Adobe, no
>>> Microsoft, etc. ...
>>
>> Interesting how you can claim, on the one hand, that Linux is not a
>> proper Unix-type system, yet the only examples you can offer of
>> software that won’t run on it is from companies that are not known for
>> producing Unix-type software ...
>
> Those are two separate statements with no connection. :-\
>
> Besides which, those companies do sell software for MacOS, which
> technically / legally is Unix.
Unix with a big layer on top that is not Unix.
Is the graphic layer Unix? Do those companies that sell software for
macOS expect that particular graphical layer, or do they run directly on
the Unix beneath?
--
Cheers,
Carlos E.R.
ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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