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  what the hell? HGW <hw@...> - 2015-12-24 08:36 +1100
    Re: what the hell? Aragorn <thorongil@telenet.be.invalid> - 2015-12-23 22:46 +0100
    Re: what the hell? Jens Stuckelberger <Jens_Stuckelberger@nowhere.net> - 2015-12-23 23:58 +0000
    Re: what the hell? William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2015-12-24 00:28 +0000
      Re: what the hell? Henry Wilson <HGW@home.com> - 2015-12-24 11:43 +0000
        Re: what the hell? "D. Lowe" <d.lowe@openmailbox.org> - 2015-12-24 11:57 +0000
          Re: what the hell? "D. Lowe" <d.lowe@openmailbox.org> - 2015-12-24 12:00 +0000
            Re: what the hell? Robert Heller <heller@deepsoft.com> - 2015-12-24 08:01 -0600
            Re: what the hell? "Carlos E.R." <cer@invalid.es> - 2015-12-24 15:02 +0100
              Re: what the hell? Andreas Kohlbach <decem15.8.ankman@spamgourmet.net> - 2015-12-24 17:19 -0500
                Re: what the hell? "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@invalid.es> - 2016-01-05 12:36 +0100
                  Re: what the hell? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-01-05 18:46 +0000
        Re: what the hell? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2015-12-24 12:22 +0000
        Re: what the hell? Kara M'bola <maxupixu@in.val.it> - 2015-12-24 12:23 +0000
          Re: what the hell? "john@wexfordpress.com" <john@wexfordpress.com> - 2016-01-05 10:53 -0800
            Re: what the hell? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-01-05 19:16 +0000
              Re: what the hell? "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@invalid.es> - 2016-01-06 00:40 +0100
                Re: what the hell? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-01-06 03:13 +0000
        Re: what the hell? Aragorn <thorongil@telenet.be.invalid> - 2015-12-24 13:52 +0100
          Re: what the hell? Andreas Kohlbach <decem15.8.ankman@spamgourmet.net> - 2015-12-24 17:23 -0500
        Re: what the hell? "Carlos E.R." <cer@invalid.es> - 2015-12-24 15:05 +0100
          Re: what the hell? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2015-12-24 14:24 +0000
            Re: what the hell? "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@invalid.es> - 2016-01-05 12:38 +0100
          Re: what the hell? Andreas Kohlbach <decem15.8.ankman@spamgourmet.net> - 2015-12-24 17:28 -0500
            Re: what the hell? William Poaster <wp@dev.null> - 2015-12-25 16:51 +0000
        Re: what the hell? ray carter <ray@zianet.com> - 2015-12-24 15:23 +0000
        Re: what the hell? Jens Stuckelberger <Jens_Stuckelberger@nowhere.net> - 2015-12-24 16:52 +0000
          Re: what the hell? Doug Laidlaw <doug@douglaidlaw.net> - 2015-12-25 04:16 +1100
        Re: what the hell? Keith Keller <kkeller-usenet@wombat.san-francisco.ca.us> - 2015-12-24 09:35 -0800
        Re: what the hell? William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2015-12-24 18:23 +0000
        Re: what the hell? Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> - 2015-12-24 23:20 +0000
          Re: what the hell? Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2015-12-24 15:27 -0800
          Re: what the hell? HGW <hw@...> - 2015-12-25 12:18 +1100
            Re: what the hell? Keith Keller <kkeller-usenet@wombat.san-francisco.ca.us> - 2015-12-24 17:29 -0800
            Re: what the hell? J G Miller <miller@yoyo.ORG> - 2015-12-25 02:39 +0000
              Re: what the hell? HGW <hw@...> - 2015-12-25 15:54 +1100
                Re: what the hell? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2015-12-25 09:41 +0000
                  Re: what the hell? Henry Wilson <HGW@home.com> - 2015-12-25 11:18 +0000
                Re: what the hell? J G Miller <miller@yoyo.ORG> - 2015-12-25 16:16 +0000
                  Re: what the hell? Henry Wilson <HGW@home.com> - 2015-12-25 19:35 +0000
                    Re: what the hell? Kara M'bola <maxupixu@in.val.it> - 2015-12-25 19:48 +0000
                      Re: what the hell? Henry Wilson <HGW@home.com> - 2015-12-25 21:02 +0000
                        Re: what the hell? Kara M'bola <maxupixu@in.val.it> - 2015-12-25 21:47 +0000
                        Re: what the hell? John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2015-12-25 15:43 -0600
                        Re: what the hell? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2015-12-26 10:42 +0000
                    Re: what the hell? J G Miller <miller@yoyo.ORG> - 2015-12-25 21:08 +0000
                      Re: what the hell? pureheart@pacbell.net - 2015-12-30 09:23 -0800
                    Re: what the hell? Robert Heller <heller@deepsoft.com> - 2015-12-25 15:22 -0600
                      Re: what the hell? J G Miller <miller@yoyo.ORG> - 2015-12-25 21:50 +0000
                      Re: what the hell? Chick Tower <c.tower@deadspam.com> - 2015-12-27 03:50 +0000
                    Re: what the hell? Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-12-25 21:00 -0500
                      Re: what the hell? Henry Wilson <HGW@home.com> - 2015-12-26 03:55 +0000
                        Re: what the hell? Keith Keller <kkeller-usenet@wombat.san-francisco.ca.us> - 2015-12-25 20:52 -0800
                          Re: what the hell? John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2015-12-26 10:01 -0600
                            Re: what the hell? Keith Keller <kkeller-usenet@wombat.san-francisco.ca.us> - 2015-12-26 11:41 -0800
                        Re: what the hell? Robert Heller <heller@deepsoft.com> - 2015-12-26 00:16 -0600
                          Re: what the hell? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2015-12-26 10:47 +0000
                            Re: what the hell? Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-12-26 13:40 -0500
                              Re: what the hell? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2015-12-26 19:38 +0000
                                Re: what the hell? Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-12-26 16:27 -0500
                        Re: what the hell? Kara M'bola <maxupixu@in.val.it> - 2015-12-26 11:40 +0000
                        Re: what the hell? Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-12-26 13:32 -0500
                          Re: what the hell? HGW <HG@...> - 2015-12-27 00:41 +0000
                        Re: what the hell? Chick Tower <c.tower@deadspam.com> - 2015-12-27 20:24 +0000
                          Re: what the hell? John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2015-12-27 15:36 -0600
                        Re: what the hell? "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@invalid.es> - 2016-01-05 12:54 +0100
                          Re: what the hell? John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2016-01-05 08:01 -0600
                            Re: what the hell? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2016-01-05 14:29 +0000
                    Re: what the hell? Chick Tower <c.tower@deadspam.com> - 2015-12-27 03:50 +0000
            Re: what the hell? William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2015-12-25 10:06 +0000
              Re: what the hell? Henry Wilson <HGW@home.com> - 2015-12-25 11:22 +0000
                Re: what the hell? William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2015-12-25 16:03 +0000
                  Re: what the hell? HGW <HG@...> - 2015-12-27 00:41 +0000
                    Re: what the hell? William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2015-12-27 00:47 +0000
          Re: what the hell? HGW <hw@...> - 2015-12-25 12:20 +1100
    Re: what the hell? "john@wexfordpress.com" <john@wexfordpress.com> - 2016-01-05 10:43 -0800
      Re: what the hell? William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2016-01-05 19:50 +0000

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#16596

2015-12-26, Henry Wilson wrote:
> On Fri, 25 Dec 2015 21:00:41 -0500, Dan Espen wrote:
>
>> It's got to be /usr/bin/tin.
>> More important, you should be able to open a terminal window and type:
>> 
>> tin
>
> I tried that it doesn't do much.
> It merely told me to try more commands.
>

Like "Try more commands"? What did it say exactly? You haven't shown us
a single piece of error message yet. I don't know if it's your growing
annoyance (with Linux [sic]) starting to seep into the thread, or the
possibility of you trolling us the whole time.

We'll see.

-- 
:q!

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#16612

Henry Wilson <HGW@home.com> writes:

> On Fri, 25 Dec 2015 21:00:41 -0500, Dan Espen wrote:
>
>> Henry Wilson <HGW@home.com> writes:
>
>>>> 
>>>>> I finally got it up and running.
>>>> 
>>>> That is good news and remember that for all the hassle this has
>>>> involved you have learnt a bit about installing packages and any
>>>> necessary dependencies,
>>>> so it will come in useful for the future.
>>>
>>> Not so far.
>>>
>>>> If it was all too easy, you would probably forget ;+}
>>>
>>> There is a general problem with installing packages on linux.
>>> After downloading with software manager some appear with an icon in the
>>> menu, others such as Google Earth do not.
>> 
>> Contact the Google Earth developers.
>
> The GE icon appeared in the menu after I finally got it going after good 
> advice from Miller. The problem is with Linux. It is plainly lacking some 
> very simple, convenient and time saving features. Not every aspect of 
> Microsoft is bad.

Your totally off topic boosting of MSFT is noted.
I'll do my best to ignore Harry Wilson from now on since
you seem less interested in help and more interested in trolling.
Why don't you take your crap to COLA (comp.linux.advocacy)?

Meanwhile, you report that you got the icon you were looking for
but still feel that despite the package working as you desired,
Linux is bad and MSFT is good.  Idiocy.

-- 
Dan Espen

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#16623

Dan Espen wrote:

> Henry Wilson <HGW@home.com> writes:

>> The GE icon appeared in the menu after I finally got it going after good 
>> advice from Miller. The problem is with Linux. It is plainly lacking some 
>> very simple, convenient and time saving features. Not every aspect of 
>> Microsoft is bad.
>
> Your totally off topic boosting of MSFT is noted.
> I'll do my best to ignore Harry Wilson from now on since
> you seem less interested in help and more interested in trolling.
> Why don't you take your crap to COLA (comp.linux.advocacy)?

I might...but I basically just want to USE my computer, not talk about
it.


> Meanwhile, you report that you got the icon you were looking for
> but still feel that despite the package working as you desired,
> Linux is bad and MSFT is good.  Idiocy.

I hate microsoft. It typifies the abuse of scientific ingenuity by
commercial interests. 

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#16633

On 2015-12-26, Henry Wilson wrote:
> What is the most popular news reader here? I am using Pan now and it is 
> reasonable but not as good as Forte Agent.

Although they're primarily for e-mail, Claws-Mail, Sylpheed, and
Thunderbird can display Usenet articles.  You probably already have one
of them installed.
-- 
                                 Chick Tower

For e-mail:  colm DOT sent DOT towerboy AT xoxy DOT net

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#16634

Chick Tower writes:
> Although they're primarily for e-mail, Claws-Mail, Sylpheed, and
> Thunderbird can display Usenet articles.  You probably already have
> one of them installed.

And of course the best of all possible newsreaders (and email clients)
is Gnus, which is part of Emacs.

Or you could stick with Trn as my wife has for about twenty years...

-- 
John Hasler 
jhasler@newsguy.com
Dancing Horse Hill
Elmwood, WI USA

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#16672

On 2015-12-26 04:55, Henry Wilson wrote:

>> It's got to be /usr/bin/tin.
>> More important, you should be able to open a terminal window and type:
>>
>> tin
> 
> I tried that it doesn't do much.
> It merely told me to try more commands.
> 
>> Were you expecting the process to be more complicated?
> 
> I don't want TIN now. I merely wanted to have a quick look to see if it 
> was any good. After wasting about ten hours I found it wasn't. ...but 
> there are others packages that are just as hard to locate and open. 

In any such case, just type the program name in a terminal. It will
either run or tell you why it will not run.


> What is the most popular news reader here? I am using Pan now and it is 
> reasonable but not as good as Forte Agent. 

I use Thunderbird. Some times knode.

> Pan installed and opened 
> without any need for terminal commands. It inserted an icon in menu/
> internet. What is so hard about arranging for all packages to do the 
> same. 

Well, it is impossible to create them for command-line programs such as
'tin'. There are tons of programs in Linux that don't have an icon or
menu entry. Can't have. (Windows also has some).

-- 
Cheers,
       Carlos E.R.

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#16674

Carlos E. R. writes:
> Well, it is impossible to create them for command-line programs such
> as 'tin'.

It is quite possible at least with the Debian menu system.  Clicking the
clicky spawns an xterm with the program running.

> There are tons of programs in Linux that don't have an icon or menu
> entry.

Yes.  While clickies are possible for such programs they are pointless
for most of them.
-- 
John Hasler 
jhasler@newsguy.com
Dancing Horse Hill
Elmwood, WI USA

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#16675

On 05/01/16 14:01, John Hasler wrote:
> Carlos E. R. writes:
>> Well, it is impossible to create them for command-line programs such
>> as 'tin'.
>
> It is quite possible at least with the Debian menu system.  Clicking the
> clicky spawns an xterm with the program running.
>
>> There are tons of programs in Linux that don't have an icon or menu
>> entry.
>
> Yes.  While clickies are possible for such programs they are pointless
> for most of them.
>

Depends. I made clickies for custom backup scripts and so on. Just cant 
be bothered with the console except in extreme need.

If I do it often, I make a clickie


-- 
How fortunate for governments that the people they administer don't think.

Adolf Hitler

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#16626

On 2015-12-25, Henry Wilson wrote:
> For instance I am looking for a good newsreader. I downloaded TIN to try 
> it. According to Software manager it IS installed....but where is it? I 
> can't find it. I tried terminal with no success. Why all this 
> inconsistency? Why can't Linux include the required commands in the 
> downloads and save people like me a lot of time and trouble?

Do you dislike Pan, which your message says you're using?  If you're
interested in other newsreaders, start up Synaptic if you're using a
Debian- or Ubuntu-derived distro.  Then search for "news"; "newsreader"
would work, too, but it might miss some.  Then see if any of the search
results look interesting.  If you're using a distro without Synaptic (a
program that should be in the menu), let us know if you don't know if
there's a GUI package manager.

As others have said, tin is a command-line program.  It's not as easy to
use as Pan.
-- 
                                 Chick Tower

For e-mail:  colm DOT sent DOT towerboy AT xoxy DOT net

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#16561

On 2015-12-25, HGW <hw@> wrote:
> On 25/12/15 10:20, Howard S Shubs wrote:
>> On 2015-12-24, Henry Wilson <HGW@home.com> wrote:
>>> On Thu, 24 Dec 2015 00:28:42 +0000, William Unruh wrote:
>>>> What it means is that only root can carry out the "requested operation",
>>>> whatever it was. Use sudo, or su and try again.
>>>
>>> Why doesn't Linux get rid of such unnecessary complications?
>>
>> They're not even REMOTELY close to "unnecessary".  Too many people would
>> destroy their systems on a frequent basis without this feature.
>
> Look, all I want to do is perform the very simple task of installing the 
> linux 'googleearth-package'.
>
> I have downloaded it and it says it is installed. But I cannot find it 
> anywhere.

/opt/google

> I was advised to run dpkg googleearth install
>
> then I get shoved off to about a million different commands...nothing 
> works. I still dont have google earth and I have wasted about half a day 
> trying. I could have downloaded it from the google site in no time at all.

updatedb
locate googleearth

>
> I have already signed in as root to download the thing so why do I have 
> to use sudo again.

Because you have to install it. 

>
>
>>
>

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#16563

On Fri, 25 Dec 2015 10:06:35 +0000, William Unruh wrote:

>>
>> Look, all I want to do is perform the very simple task of installing
>> the linux 'googleearth-package'.
>>
>> I have downloaded it and it says it is installed. But I cannot find it
>> anywhere.
> 
> /opt/google
> 
>> I was advised to run dpkg googleearth install
>>
>> then I get shoved off to about a million different commands...nothing
>> works. I still dont have google earth and I have wasted about half a
>> day trying. I could have downloaded it from the google site in no time
>> at all.
> 
> updatedb locate googleearth
> 
> 
>> I have already signed in as root to download the thing so why do I have
>> to use sudo again.
> 
> Because you have to install it.

But the software manager said it was already installed after the download 
even though it was apparently not installed. That is very confusing.

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#16565

On 2015-12-25, Henry Wilson <HGW@home.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 25 Dec 2015 10:06:35 +0000, William Unruh wrote:
>
>>>
>>> Look, all I want to do is perform the very simple task of installing
>>> the linux 'googleearth-package'.
>>>
>>> I have downloaded it and it says it is installed. But I cannot find it
>>> anywhere.
>> 
>> /opt/google
>> 
>>> I was advised to run dpkg googleearth install
>>>
>>> then I get shoved off to about a million different commands...nothing
>>> works. I still dont have google earth and I have wasted about half a
>>> day trying. I could have downloaded it from the google site in no time
>>> at all.
>> 
>> updatedb locate googleearth
>> 
>> 
>>> I have already signed in as root to download the thing so why do I have
>>> to use sudo again.
>> 
>> Because you have to install it.
>
> But the software manager said it was already installed after the download 
> even though it was apparently not installed. That is very confusing.
>
>

Have you looked in /opt/google?

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#16624

William Unruh wrote:

> On 2015-12-25, Henry Wilson <HGW@home.com> wrote:
>> On Fri, 25 Dec 2015 10:06:35 +0000, William Unruh wrote:
>
>>>> I have already signed in as root to download the thing so why do I have
>>>> to use sudo again.
>>> 
>>> Because you have to install it.
>>
>> But the software manager said it was already installed after the download 
>> even though it was apparently not installed. That is very confusing.
>>
>>
>
> Have you looked in /opt/google?

Yes. it is no help here

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#16625

On 2015-12-27, HGW <HG@> wrote:
> William Unruh wrote:
>
>> On 2015-12-25, Henry Wilson <HGW@home.com> wrote:
>>> On Fri, 25 Dec 2015 10:06:35 +0000, William Unruh wrote:
>>
>>>>> I have already signed in as root to download the thing so why do I have
>>>>> to use sudo again.
>>>> 
>>>> Because you have to install it.
>>>
>>> But the software manager said it was already installed after the download 
>>> even though it was apparently not installed. That is very confusing.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Have you looked in /opt/google?
>
> Yes. it is no help here

Not even the directory called "earth"?

>
>

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#16552

On 25/12/15 10:20, Howard S Shubs wrote:
> On 2015-12-24, Henry Wilson <HGW@home.com> wrote:
>> On Thu, 24 Dec 2015 00:28:42 +0000, William Unruh wrote:
>>> What it means is that only root can carry out the "requested operation",
>>> whatever it was. Use sudo, or su and try again.
>>
>> Why doesn't Linux get rid of such unnecessary complications?
>
> They're not even REMOTELY close to "unnecessary".  Too many people would
> destroy their systems on a frequent basis without this feature.

I might also add that I had no trouble installing it on another computer 
but the photos do not appear when selected.

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#16683

On Wednesday, December 23, 2015 at 4:36:29 PM UTC-5, HGW wrote:
> What does this mean?
> 'requested operation requires superuser privilege'
> 
> How the hell am I supposed to do anything with terminal when this comes up?

The package "tin" was mentioned. Don't remember downloading this one. Probably came with Slackware 14.1. I keyed "tin" and got an error message about a missing component. So I keyed in "man tin" and got a full explanation of how to use the tin program including the other information files that are required.

Let us accept as gospel that Linux is not designed to be used by those who won't  bother learning  about their OS and its capabilities. I don't have icons scattered all over my GUI. I modified my GUI (XFCE, but I had other choices) to put my frequently used programs on the top menu bar. Why did I move the menu bar to the top? Well I use another free feature xrandr to display the GUI slightly magnified. The full size GUI is still there but I am viewing a slightly enlarged view of part of the GUI. I can scroll to other parts of it as needed.  I also have four independent GUI windows so that I can run several programs at one without crowding the screen. Sometimes I am working on something and I need to access the Internet to look up a fact. I click on the icon for another GUI, call on my Browser, look up the fact, optionally highlight a word or two and go back to my original GUI and paste it in a document or whatever. In short I can multitask without screwing arond whout multiple task windows on the screen at the same time. 

If I want another GUI, such as (ugh) KDE I can select that by rebooting, not the whole system but just the GUI. 

In sum, I have a system that allows me to set up things the way I prefer them, keeps me safe from almost all malware, doesn't track my activity without my permission, allows me to have multiple partitions with various OS' on it (for some devices like Fitbit I still need Windows) and so on.

I am more or less a pro. I wrote my first computer program in 1968. I graduated from computer kindergarten a long time ago. If you expect Linux to be just like Windows I do suggest you stick to Windows, to IE which many savvy Windows users have abandoned, to the cost and difficulties of upgrades and the troubles that sometimes accompany them (remember Vista?) and so forth. Good luck keying in all those serial numbers every time you spend money on the latest version of MSWindows. And don't forget to update your antivirus software, over and over again. 

Best Wishes,

John Culleton  

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#16690

On 2016-01-05, john@wexfordpress.com <john@wexfordpress.com> wrote:
> On Wednesday, December 23, 2015 at 4:36:29 PM UTC-5, HGW wrote:
>> What does this mean?
>> 'requested operation requires superuser privilege'

It means that you cannot carry out that operation. You have to log in as
root to carry it out. If you cannot get root priv, you cannot do that
operation.

>> 
>> How the hell am I supposed to do anything with terminal when this comes up?

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