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Re: naughty Python

Started byrbowman <bowman@montana.com>
First post2025-12-29 04:04 +0000
Last post2025-12-31 12:17 +0000
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  Re: naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-29 04:04 +0000
    Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-29 01:07 -0500
      Re: naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-29 06:38 +0000
        Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-29 02:31 -0500
          Re: naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-29 17:09 +0000
      Re: naughty Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-29 13:35 +0000
        Re: naughty Python Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2025-12-29 07:33 -0700
          Re: naughty Python Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-29 21:59 +0000
            Re: naughty Python John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-12-29 15:40 -0800
              Re: naughty Python Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-30 01:30 +0000
                Re: naughty Python John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-12-30 08:57 -0800
                  Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-30 12:51 -0500
                  Re: naughty Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-30 19:00 +0000
                  Re: naughty Python Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-30 19:06 +0000
              Re: naughty Python "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-30 09:38 +0100
              Re: naughty Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-30 11:11 +0000
                Re: naughty Python Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2025-12-30 07:38 -0700
                  Re: naughty Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-30 15:04 +0000
                    Innovation (was Re: naughty Python) Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2025-12-30 21:40 +0000
                Re: naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-30 22:02 +0000
            Re: naughty Python Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2025-12-29 19:23 -0700
              Re: naughty Python Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-30 03:53 +0000
                OT: incompetence of companies (was: Re: naughty Python) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-30 10:03 +0000
                  Re: OT: incompetence of companies The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-30 11:12 +0000
            Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-30 03:14 -0500
              Re: naughty Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-30 11:18 +0000
              Re: naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-30 21:49 +0000
                Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-30 19:47 -0500
                  Re: naughty Python Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-12-31 01:01 +0000
                    Re: naughty Python Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-31 03:07 +0000
                      Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-30 23:45 -0500
                        Re: naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-31 07:12 +0000
                    Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-30 23:11 -0500
                      Re: naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-31 07:57 +0000
                        Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-31 09:13 -0500
                          Re: naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-31 19:13 +0000
                      Re: naughty Python Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-12-31 18:55 +0000
                        Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-31 14:21 -0500
                          Re: naughty Python Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2025-12-31 22:34 +0000
                            Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-31 22:32 -0500
                          Re: naughty Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-31 22:35 +0000
                            Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-31 22:07 -0500
                              Re: naughty Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-01 12:49 +0000
                                Re: naughty Python Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-01 07:28 -0700
                                  Re: naughty Python "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-01 15:55 +0100
                                    Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-02 02:40 -0500
                                      Re: naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-02 19:29 +0000
                                        Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-02 15:18 -0500
                                          Re: naughty Pascal "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-02 22:22 +0100
                                            Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-03 08:31 +0000
                                              Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-03 20:12 +0000
                                                Re: naughty Pascal Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-04 07:56 -0700
                                                  Re: naughty Pascal Don_from_AZ <djatechNOSPAM@comcast.net.invalid> - 2026-01-04 09:22 -0700
                                                    Re: naughty Pascal Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-04 21:16 +0000
                                                  Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-04 21:00 +0000
                                              Re: naughty Pascal "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-04 15:11 +0100
                                              Re: naughty Pascal John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-05 10:49 -0800
                                                Re: naughty Pascal c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-05 19:57 -0500
                                                  Re: naughty Pascal Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-05 20:37 -0700
                                                    Re: naughty Pascal Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-06 04:10 +0000
                                                      Re: naughty Pascal c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-05 23:21 -0500
                                                      Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-06 06:28 +0000
                                                        Re: naughty Pascal Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-06 18:57 +0000
                                                        Re: naughty Pascal c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-06 16:04 -0500
                                                          Re: naughty Pascal John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-06 14:22 -0800
                                                            Re: naughty Pascal c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-06 20:47 -0500
                                                              Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-07 02:00 +0000
                                                                Re: naughty Pascal c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-06 22:37 -0500
                                                                  Re: naughty Pascal John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-07 08:56 -0800
                                                                    Re: naughty Pascal Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-08 04:57 +0000
                                                                    Re: naughty Pascal Ian <${send-direct-email-to-news1021-at-jusme-dot-com-if-you-must}@jusme.com> - 2026-01-08 09:57 +0000
                                                                Re: naughty Pascal John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-07 08:57 -0800
                                                                  Re: naughty Pascal Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2026-01-07 09:41 -0800
                                                                    Re: naughty Pascal John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-07 10:29 -0800
                                                                    Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-07 22:33 +0000
                                                                  Re: naughty Pascal Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-08 04:57 +0000
                                                                    Re: naughty Pascal c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-08 00:42 -0500
                                                                    Re: Naughty Advertising (was Re: naughty Pascal) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-08 07:01 +0000
                                                                      Re: Naughty Advertising (was Re: naughty Pascal) John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-08 08:45 -0800
                                                                        Re: Naughty Advertising (was Re: naughty Pascal) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-08 18:23 +0000
                                                                          Re: Naughty Advertising (was Re: naughty Pascal) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-08 19:16 +0000
                                                                      Re: Naughty Advertising (was Re: naughty Pascal) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-08 20:11 -0500
                                                                    Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-08 11:27 +0000
                                                                      Re: naughty Pascal Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-08 19:16 +0000
                                                                        Re: naughty Pascal c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-08 20:23 -0500
                                                                          Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-09 01:48 +0000
                                                                            Re: naughty Pascal Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2026-01-08 19:32 -0800
                                                                              Re: naughty Pascal c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-08 23:36 -0500
                                                                                Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-09 06:44 +0000
                                                                          Re: naughty Pascal John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-08 18:46 -0800
                                                                            Re: naughty Pascal c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-08 22:15 -0500
                                                                              Re: naughty Pascal John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-08 20:13 -0800
                                                                                Re: naughty Pascal c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-08 23:40 -0500
                                                                                  Re: naughty Pascal John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-08 22:23 -0800
                                                                                Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-09 07:04 +0000
                                                                                  Re: naughty Pascal John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-09 07:58 -0800
                                                                                    Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-09 18:47 +0000
                                                                                    Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-09 20:08 +0000
                                                                                Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-09 10:00 +0000
                                                                                  Re: naughty Pascal John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-09 08:06 -0800
                                                                                    Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-09 18:51 +0000
                                                                                      Re: naughty Pascal John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-09 10:54 -0800
                                                                                        Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-09 20:36 +0000
                                                                                          Re: naughty Pascal John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-09 13:24 -0800
                                                                                            Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-10 10:27 +0000
                                                                                              Re: naughty Pascal Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-10 07:42 -0700
                                                                                                Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-10 19:44 +0000
                                                                                                  Re: naughty Pascal Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-10 13:03 -0700
                                                                                                    Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-10 23:56 +0000
                                                                                                      Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-11 11:02 +0000
                                                                                                  Re: naughty Pascal Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2026-01-10 15:39 -0800
                                                                                                    Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-11 11:05 +0000
                                                                                                      Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-11 21:49 +0000
                                                                                                        Re: naughty Pascal c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-11 21:19 -0500
                                                                                                          Re: naughty Pascal Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-12 07:45 -0700
                                                                                                            Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-12 18:35 +0000
                                                                                                              Re: naughty Pascal Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-12 20:52 +0000
                                                                                                                Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-12 20:58 +0000
                                                                                                                  Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-13 06:03 +0000
                                                                                                                    Re: naughty Pascal c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-13 12:45 -0500
                                                                                                                Re: naughty Pascal John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-12 14:26 -0800
                                                                                                                Re: naughty Pascal c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-12 18:17 -0500
                                                                                                                  Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-13 06:26 +0000
                                                                                                                    Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-13 09:26 +0000
                                                                                                                Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-13 05:56 +0000
                                                                                                      Re: naughty Pascal "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-20 14:26 +0100
                                                                                                        Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-20 13:29 +0000
                                                                                                Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-11 11:01 +0000
                                                                                              Re: naughty Pascal scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-01-10 18:23 +0000
                                                                                                Re: naughty Pascal Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2026-01-10 15:50 -0800
                                                                                                  Re: naughty Pascal c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-10 22:48 -0500
                                                                                                    Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-11 11:19 +0000
                                                                                                  Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-11 11:17 +0000
                                                                                                Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-11 11:07 +0000
                                                                                                  Re: naughty Pascal scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-01-11 16:47 +0000
                                                                                                    Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-11 19:44 +0000
                                                                                            Re: naughty Pascal Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2026-01-10 12:14 -0500
                                                                                              Re: naughty Pascal John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-10 09:45 -0800
                                                                                  Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-09 20:32 +0000
                                                                                    Re: naughty Pascal c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-10 20:51 -0500
                                                                                      Re: naughty Pascal Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-10 20:03 -0700
                                                                                        Re: naughty Pascal c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-10 22:31 -0500
                                                                                        Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-11 05:39 +0000
                                                                                          Re: naughty Pascal c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-11 01:17 -0500
                                                                                            Re: naughty Pascal Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-11 11:00 +0000
                                                                                            Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-11 11:47 +0000
                                                                                          Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-11 11:29 +0000
                                                                                            Re: naughty Pascal Niklas Karlsson <nikke.karlsson@gmail.com> - 2026-01-11 17:44 +0000
                                                                                              Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-11 19:46 +0000
                                                                                                Re: naughty Pascal Niklas Karlsson <nikke.karlsson@gmail.com> - 2026-01-11 20:23 +0000
                                                                                                  Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-11 20:30 +0000
                                                                                                    Re: naughty Pascal Niklas Karlsson <nikke.karlsson@gmail.com> - 2026-01-11 21:17 +0000
                                                                                                    Re: naughty Pascal c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-11 18:05 -0500
                                                                                                  Re: naughty Pascal c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-11 17:58 -0500
                                                                                                    Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-12 03:47 +0000
                                                                                                      Re: naughty Pascal Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-12 23:41 +0000
                                                                                                        Re: naughty Pascal c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-12 22:58 -0500
                                                                                                          Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-13 05:40 +0000
                                                                                                            Re: naughty Pascal Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-13 07:41 -0700
                                                                                                            Re: naughty Pascal c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-13 12:38 -0500
                                                                                                              Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-13 18:00 +0000
                                                                                                                Naughty Cat Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-01-13 14:29 -0500
                                                                                                                  Re: Naughty Cat rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-14 00:42 +0000
                                                                                                                  Re: Naughty Cat Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-14 07:27 -0700
                                                                                                                Re: naughty Pascal scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-01-13 19:34 +0000
                                                                                                                  Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-14 00:49 +0000
                                                                                                            Tinned tuna [Was: naughty Pascal] "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-20 14:58 +0100
                                                                                                          Oil down the drain [Was: naughty Pascal] "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-20 14:53 +0100
                                                                                            Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-11 20:57 +0000
                                                                                              Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-12 11:50 +0000
                                                                                                Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-12 18:31 +0000
                                                                                          Re: naughty Pascal Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-11 07:43 -0700
                                                                                          Re: naughty Pascal scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-01-11 16:44 +0000
                                                                                            Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-11 21:34 +0000
                                                                                              Re: naughty Pascal Niklas Karlsson <nikke.karlsson@gmail.com> - 2026-01-11 21:38 +0000
                                                                                                Re: naughty Pascal John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-12 08:11 -0800
                                                                                                  Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-12 18:45 +0000
                                                                                                    Re: naughty Pascal scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-01-12 19:52 +0000
                                                                                                      Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-13 05:22 +0000
                                                                                                        Re: naughty Pascal c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-13 00:37 -0500
                                                                                                          Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-13 08:18 +0000
                                                                                                    Re: naughty Pascal Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-12 13:15 -0700
                                                                                                      Re: naughty Pascal c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-12 18:10 -0500
                                                                                              Re: naughty Pascal scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-01-12 00:47 +0000
                                                                                                Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-12 04:10 +0000
                                                                                                  Re: naughty Pascal scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-01-12 15:44 +0000
                                                                                                    Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-12 18:52 +0000
                                                                                                    Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-12 20:46 +0000
                                                                                                      Re: naughty Pascal c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-12 18:12 -0500
                                                                                                        Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-13 05:50 +0000
                                                                                                          Re: naughty Pascal c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-13 12:41 -0500
                                                                                                            Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-13 18:17 +0000
                                                                                                              Re: naughty Pascal scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-01-13 22:41 +0000
                                                                                                                Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-14 01:01 +0000
                                                                                                                  Re: naughty Pascal scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-01-16 21:40 +0000
                                                                                                                    Re: naughty Pascal Daniel <me@sc1f1dan.com> - 2026-01-18 12:30 -0800
                                                                                                                      Re: naughty Pascal c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-18 21:08 -0500
                                                                                                                        Re: naughty Pascal scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-01-19 16:22 +0000
                                                                                                        Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-13 09:23 +0000
                                                                                                  Re: naughty Pascal John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-12 08:25 -0800
                                                                                                    Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-12 18:22 +0000
                                                                                      Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-11 11:26 +0000
                                                                                        Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-11 21:35 +0000
                                                                                          Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-12 11:57 +0000
                                                                                            Re: naughty Pascal Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-12 23:41 +0000
                                                                                              Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-13 06:32 +0000
                                                                                              Re: naughty Pascal Harold Stevens <wookie@aspen.localdomain> - 2026-01-13 04:35 -0600
                                                                                                Re: naughty Pascal "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-20 15:38 +0100
                                                                                Re: naughty Pascal John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-09 09:36 -0800
                                                                              Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-09 06:58 +0000
                                                                                Re: naughty Pascal Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2026-01-09 09:19 -0800
                                                              Re: naughty Pascal Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-07 06:33 +0000
                                                                Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-07 09:55 +0000
                                                                Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-07 21:46 +0000
                                                                  Re: naughty Pascal Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-08 04:57 +0000
                                                                Re: naughty Pascal c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-07 18:48 -0500
                                                          Re: naughty Pascal Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-07 06:33 +0000
                                                          Re: naughty Pascal Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-07 07:31 -0700
                                                    Re: naughty Pascal c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-05 23:18 -0500
                                                      Re: naughty Pascal Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-06 07:42 -0700
                                                        Re: naughty Pascal Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-06 20:01 +0000
                                                          Re: naughty Pascal Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-07 07:27 -0700
                                                        Re: naughty Pascal antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-01-06 22:32 +0000
                                                          Re: naughty Pascal c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-06 20:53 -0500
                                                          Re: naughty Pascal cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-01-07 11:51 +0000
                                                      Re: naughty Pascal John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-06 08:20 -0800
                                                    Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-06 10:15 +0000
                                                      Re: naughty Pascal Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-01-06 06:33 -0500
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                                                    Re: naughty Pascal John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-06 09:14 -0800
                                              Re: naughty Pascal Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-05 12:33 -0700
                                                Re: naughty Pascal John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-05 11:50 -0800
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                                                    Re: naughty Pascal "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-06 13:19 +0100
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                                                        Re: naughty Pascal cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-01-06 17:04 +0000
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                                                              Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-07 20:08 +0000
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                                                                    Re: naughty Pascal Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-08 22:45 +0000
                                                                      Re: naughty Pascal Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-08 23:52 +0000
                                                                    Re: naughty Pascal scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-01-09 16:03 +0000
                                                                Re: naughty Pascal Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-08 07:51 -0700
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                                                            Re: naughty Pascal Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-07 19:21 -0700
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                                                                          Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-09 09:57 +0000
                                                                Re: naughty Pascal scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-01-08 14:43 +0000
                                                                  Re: naughty Pascal c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-08 20:15 -0500
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                                                                      Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-09 09:56 +0000
                                                                    Re: naughty Pascal Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-08 19:28 -0700
                                                                Re: naughty Pascal Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-08 07:47 -0700
                                                                Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-08 19:52 +0000
                                                                  Re: naughty Pascal Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-08 22:45 +0000
                                                                    Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-09 01:35 +0000
                                                                      Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-09 10:02 +0000
                                                                        Re: naughty Pascal Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-09 08:16 -0700
                                                                          Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-09 18:46 +0000
                                                                            Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-09 20:40 +0000
                                                                        Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-09 20:38 +0000
                                                                          Re: naughty Pascal Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-09 20:56 -0700
                                                                          Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-10 10:58 +0000
                                                                      Re: naughty Pascal cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-01-10 03:12 +0000
                                                                      Re: naughty Pascal Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-10 19:39 +0000
                                                                        Re: naughty useless code (was Re: naughty Pascal) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-10 20:52 +0000
                                                                          Re: naughty useless code (was Re: naughty Pascal) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-11 00:02 +0000
                                                                    Re: naughty Pascal scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-01-09 16:04 +0000
                                                                  Re: naughty Pascal c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-08 20:54 -0500
                                                                    Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-09 06:36 +0000
                                                                      Re: naughty Pascal Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-09 08:13 -0700
                                                                        Re: Naughty PL/I (was Re: naughty Pascal) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-09 18:38 +0000
                                                                Re: naughty Pascal Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2026-01-10 14:40 +0000
                                                                  Re: naughty Pascal Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-10 20:50 +0000
                                                                    Re: naughty Pascal c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-11 02:00 -0500
                                                                      Re: naughty Pascal Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-11 16:55 +0000
                                                                        Re: Naughty Fortran (was Re: naughty Pascal) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-11 20:24 +0000
                                                                          Re: Naughty Fortran (was Re: naughty Pascal) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-11 18:00 -0500
                                                                      Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-11 21:31 +0000
                                                              Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-08 19:49 +0000
                                                                Re: naughty Pascal c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-08 20:43 -0500
                                                                  Re: naughty Pascal Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-10 19:39 +0000
                                                                    Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-10 20:47 +0000
                                                                      Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-11 00:27 +0000
                                                                        Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-10 18:41 -0800
                                                                          Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-10 20:06 -0700
                                                                            Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-10 22:44 -0500
                                                                              Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-11 07:40 -0700
                                                                            Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-11 03:50 +0000
                                                                              Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) Harold Stevens <wookie@aspen.localdomain> - 2026-01-11 05:55 -0600
                                                                                Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2026-01-11 14:18 +0000
                                                                                  Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) Andreas Eder <a_eder_muc@web.de> - 2026-01-11 17:00 +0100
                                                                                Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-11 20:44 +0000
                                                                                  Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-12 11:49 +0000
                                                                                    Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-12 07:52 -0700
                                                                                      Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-12 17:03 +0000
                                                                                        Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-12 19:57 +0000
                                                                                          Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-01-12 20:05 +0000
                                                                                            Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) Niklas Karlsson <nikke.karlsson@gmail.com> - 2026-01-12 20:16 +0000
                                                                                              Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-13 05:01 +0000
                                                                                                Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) Niklas Karlsson <nikke.karlsson@gmail.com> - 2026-01-13 06:31 +0000
                                                                                                  Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-13 08:09 +0000
                                                                                                    Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) Niklas Karlsson <nikke.karlsson@gmail.com> - 2026-01-13 14:21 +0000
                                                                                                      Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-13 17:54 +0000
                                                                                            Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-13 04:46 +0000
                                                                                          Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-13 04:31 +0000
                                                                                      Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-12 19:56 +0000
                                                                                        Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-13 00:24 +0000
                                                                                          Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-13 00:36 +0000
                                                                                            Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-12 23:04 -0500
                                                                          Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-11 01:52 -0500
                                                                            Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-10 23:34 -0800
                                                                              Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-11 02:50 -0500
                                                                              Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2026-01-11 14:55 +0000
                                                                                Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-01-12 02:42 +0000
                                                                                  Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-12 07:50 -0700
                                                                                  Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-12 09:14 -0800
                                                                                    Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-12 13:12 -0700
                                                                                      Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) Harold Stevens <wookie@aspen.localdomain> - 2026-01-12 14:48 -0600
                                                                            Re: naughty C (was Re: naughty Pascal) Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-11 07:48 -0700
                                                                    Re: naughty Pascal antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-01-11 01:32 +0000
                                                                    Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-11 11:21 +0000
                                                      Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-06 19:22 +0000
                                                        Re: naughty Pascal "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-07 13:41 +0100
                                                  Re: naughty Pascal Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-05 21:42 +0000
                                                    Re: naughty Pascal Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-05 20:33 -0700
                                                      Re: naughty Pascal c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-05 22:58 -0500
                                                  Re: naughty Pascal Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-05 20:27 -0700
                                                    Re: naughty Pascal c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-05 22:54 -0500
                                                      Re: naughty Pascal Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-06 07:40 -0700
                                                    Re: naughty Pascal Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-06 04:09 +0000
                                                    Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-06 10:10 +0000
                                                      Re: naughty Pascal Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-06 07:46 -0700
                                                        Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-06 17:19 +0000
                                                          Re: naughty Pascal Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-06 12:39 -0700
                                                          Re: naughty Pascal cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-01-06 19:56 +0000
                                                            Re: naughty Pascal Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-07 06:33 +0000
                                                              Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-07 09:44 +0000
                                                        Re: naughty Pascal Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-06 19:57 +0000
                                                          Re: naughty Pascal scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-01-06 21:53 +0000
                                                      Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-06 19:17 +0000
                                                      Re: naughty Pascal c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-06 16:06 -0500
                                                        Re: naughty Pascal cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-01-06 23:44 +0000
                                                          Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-07 09:57 +0000
                                                        Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-07 09:56 +0000
                                                          Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-07 22:08 +0000
                                                            Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-08 11:21 +0000
                                                          Re: naughty Pascal Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-08 04:57 +0000
                                                            Re: naughty Pascal c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-08 00:41 -0500
                                                            Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-08 11:26 +0000
                                                            Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-08 19:59 +0000
                                                              Re: naughty Pascal Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-08 22:45 +0000
                                                              Re: naughty Pascal c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-08 21:00 -0500
                                                            Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-08 20:00 +0000
                                                              Re: naughty Pascal scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-01-08 20:09 +0000
                                                                Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-09 02:02 +0000
                                                                  Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-09 10:05 +0000
                                                                    Re: naughty Pascal scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-01-09 16:02 +0000
                                                                      Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-09 18:48 +0000
                                                                        Re: naughty Pascal rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-09 20:27 +0000
                                                                          Re: naughty Pascal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-10 10:15 +0000
                                                    Re: naughty Pascal scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-01-06 15:31 +0000
                                                  Re: naughty Pascal Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-06 10:39 +0000
                                                    Re: naughty Pascal John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-06 09:25 -0800
                                                Re: naughty Pascal scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-01-05 20:35 +0000
                                                  Re: naughty Pascal "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-06 13:25 +0100
                                                    Re: naughty Pascal Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-06 20:00 +0000
                                          Re: naughty Python Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-02 14:51 -0700
                                  Re: naughty Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-01 21:00 +0000
                                    Re: naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-01 21:43 +0000
                                    Re: naughty Python antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-01-01 23:54 +0000
                                      Re: naughty Python Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-01 20:14 -0700
                                        Re: naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-02 06:03 +0000
                                        Re: naughty Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-02 11:02 +0000
                                      Re: naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-02 05:59 +0000
                                        Re: naughty Python ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2026-01-02 06:01 +0000
                                          Re: naughty Python Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-02 06:58 +0000
                                            Re: naughty Python ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2026-01-02 17:14 +0000
                                              Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-02 14:58 -0500
                                                Re: naughty Python ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2026-01-02 21:11 +0000
                                        Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-02 05:37 -0500
                                          Re: naughty Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-02 11:04 +0000
                                          Re: naughty Python "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-02 12:24 +0100
                                            Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-02 06:51 -0500
                                          Re: naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-02 19:56 +0000
                                      Re: naughty Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-02 10:59 +0000
                                        Re: naughty Python "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-02 12:27 +0100
                                          Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-02 06:54 -0500
                                            Re: naughty Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-02 11:57 +0000
                                              Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-02 07:10 -0500
                                              Re: naughty Python "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-02 14:34 +0100
                                              Re: naughty Python "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-02 14:38 +0100
                                        Re: naughty Python John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-02 08:49 -0800
                                          Re: C structure portability, naughty Python John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-01-02 18:26 +0000
                                            Re: C structure portability, naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-02 15:08 -0500
                                              Re: C structure portability, naughty Python John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-01-02 20:32 +0000
                                                Re: C structure portability, naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-03 00:08 +0000
                                                  Re: C structure portability, naughty Python John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-01-03 02:47 +0000
                                                    Re: C structure portability, naughty Python Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-01-03 07:03 -0500
                                                      Re: C structure portability, naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-03 19:43 +0000
                                                        Re: C structure portability, naughty Python Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-01-04 06:42 -0500
                                                          Re: C structure portability, naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-04 20:29 +0000
                                                        Re: C structure portability, naughty Python "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-04 15:14 +0100
                                                          Re: C structure portability, naughty Python Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-01-04 09:43 -0500
                                                            Re: C structure portability, naughty Python Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-04 19:41 +0000
                                                              Re: Naughty C♯ Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-04 21:18 +0000
                                                                Re: Naughty C♯ c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-04 19:04 -0500
                                                                  Re: Naughty C♯ rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-05 03:55 +0000
                                                                    Re: Naughty C♯ The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-05 11:29 +0000
                                                                      Re: Naughty C♯ Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-01-05 06:59 -0500
                                                                    Re: Naughty C♯ Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-01-05 06:55 -0500
                                                                      Re: Naughty C♯ rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-05 17:43 +0000
                                                                        Re: Naughty C♯ Niklas Karlsson <nikke.karlsson@gmail.com> - 2026-01-05 18:08 +0000
                                                                          Re: Naughty C♯ rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-05 20:32 +0000
                                                                          Re: Naughty C♯ Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-01-05 17:25 -0500
                                                                            Re: Naughty C♯ Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2026-01-06 07:55 +0000
                                                                              Re: Naughty C♯ Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-01-06 06:19 -0500
                                                                    Re: Naughty C♯ c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-05 08:26 -0500
                                                                      Re: Naughty C♯ rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-05 18:09 +0000
                                                                      Re: Naughty C♯ Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-05 18:16 +0000
                                                                  Re: Naughty C♯ Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-05 05:57 +0000
                                                                    Re: Naughty C♯ rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-05 17:48 +0000
                                                                      Re: Naughty C♯ The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-05 18:09 +0000
                                                                        Re: Naughty C♯ Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-05 18:20 +0000
                                                                          Re: Naughty C♯ Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-05 18:24 +0000
                                                                          Re: Naughty C♯ Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-05 21:44 +0000
                                                                          Re: Naughty C♯ c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-05 19:31 -0500
                                                                            Re: Naughty C♯ antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-01-06 12:16 +0000
                                                                              Re: Naughty C♯ Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-01-06 11:12 -0500
                                                                                Re: Naughty C♯ cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-01-06 16:25 +0000
                                                                                  Re: Naughty C♯ scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-01-06 17:59 +0000
                                                                                    Re: Naughty C♯ cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-01-06 19:59 +0000
                                                                                      Re: Naughty C♯ scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-01-06 21:57 +0000
                                                                                        Re: Naughty C♯ cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-01-07 13:37 +0000
                                                                                          Re: Naughty C♯ scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-01-07 15:30 +0000
                                                                                Re: Naughty C♯ The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-06 17:26 +0000
                                                                                  Re: Re: Naughty C♯ cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-01-06 17:50 +0000
                                                                                Re: Naughty C♯ rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-06 19:06 +0000
                                                                              Re: Naughty C♯ c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-06 16:24 -0500
                                                                                Re: Naughty C♯ antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-01-06 23:10 +0000
                                                                                  Re: Naughty C♯ scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-01-07 00:22 +0000
                                                                                  Re: Naughty C♯ c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-06 21:00 -0500
                                                                                    Re: Naughty C♯ rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-07 21:24 +0000
                                                                                      Re: Naughty C♯ antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-01-08 01:00 +0000
                                                                                  Re: Naughty C♯ Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-07 06:33 +0000
                                                                                    Re: Naughty C♯ scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-01-07 15:27 +0000
                                                                                      Re: Naughty C♯ rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-07 21:29 +0000
                                                                                  Re: Naughty C♯ The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-07 10:02 +0000
                                                                                Re: Re: Naughty C♯ cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-01-07 11:53 +0000
                                                                                Re: Naughty C♯ Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-07 07:34 -0700
                                                                                  Re: Re: Naughty C♯ cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-01-07 15:13 +0000
                                                                                    Re: Naughty C♯ Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-07 12:20 -0700
                                                                                      Re: Naughty C♯ John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-07 11:40 -0800
                                                                                      Re: Naughty C♯ Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-07 20:20 +0000
                                                                                      Re: Naughty C♯ rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-07 21:36 +0000
                                                                                    Re: Naughty C♯ The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-07 20:09 +0000
                                                                        Re: Naughty C♯ "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-06 13:36 +0100
                                                                          Re: Naughty C♯ Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-06 07:55 -0700
                                                                            Re: Naughty PL/I (was Re: Naughty C♯) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-06 20:04 +0000
                                                                          What is wrong with C? (and fond memories of VAX) Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2026-01-06 15:15 +0000
                                                                            Re: What is wrong with C? (and fond memories of VAX) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-06 18:57 +0000
                                                                              Re: What is wrong with C? (and fond memories of VAX) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-06 20:10 +0000
                                                                                Re: What is wrong with C? (and fond memories of VAX) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-01-06 21:59 +0000
                                                                                  Re: What is wrong with C? (and fond memories of VAX) Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-06 22:54 +0000
                                                                                    Re: What is wrong with C? (and fond memories of VAX) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-07 01:40 +0000
                                                                                      Re: What is wrong with C? (and fond memories of VAX) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-07 06:33 +0000
                                                                              Re: What is wrong with C? (and fond memories of VAX) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-07 13:30 +0100
                                                                                Re: What is wrong with C? (and fond memories of VAX) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-07 22:49 +0000
                                                                                  Re: What is wrong with C? (and fond memories of VAX) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-08 00:47 -0500
                                                                                  Re: What is wrong with C? (and fond memories of VAX) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-08 11:23 +0000
                                                                                    Re: What is wrong with C? (and fond memories of VAX) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-08 19:16 +0000
                                                                                      Re: What is wrong with C? (and fond memories of VAX) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-08 20:34 +0000
                                                                                        Re: What is wrong with C? (and fond memories of VAX) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-08 22:45 +0000
                                                                                          Re: What is wrong with C? (and fond memories of VAX) sean@conman.org - 2026-01-09 00:23 +0000
                                                                                            Re: What is wrong with C? (and fond memories of VAX) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-09 04:54 +0000
                                                                                              Re: What is wrong with C? (and fond memories of VAX) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-09 07:08 +0000
                                                                                          Re: What is wrong with C? (and fond memories of VAX) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-01-09 16:18 +0000
                                                                                  Re: What is wrong with C? (and fond memories of VAX) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-12 15:44 +0100
                                                                                    Re: What is wrong with C? (and fond memories of VAX) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-12 18:57 +0000
                                                                                    Re: What is wrong with C? (and fond memories of VAX) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-12 19:59 +0000
                                                                                    Re: What is wrong with C? (and fond memories of VAX) Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-01-13 06:13 -0500
                                                                                      Re: What is wrong with C? (and fond memories of VAX) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-13 18:22 +0000
                                                                          Re: Naughty C♯ The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-06 17:17 +0000
                                                                          Re: Naughty C♯ rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-06 18:59 +0000
                                                                  Re: Naughty C♯ The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-05 11:26 +0000
                                                                Re: Naughty C♯ rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-05 03:34 +0000
                                                                  Re: Naughty C♯ Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-05 08:24 +0000
                                                                    Re: Naughty C♯ rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-05 19:06 +0000
                                                                Re: Naughty C♯ Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-01-05 06:50 -0500
                                                                  Re: Naughty C♯ Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2026-01-06 08:03 +0000
                                                                    Re: Naughty C♯ rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-06 19:11 +0000
                                                                      Re: Naughty C♯ Bob Vloon <usenet@bananacorp.nl.invalid> - 2026-01-07 12:01 +0000
                                                                        Re: Naughty Java (was Re: Naughty C♯) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-07 20:18 +0000
                                                              Re: C structure portability, naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-05 03:09 +0000
                                                                Re: C structure portability, naughty Python "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-05 13:31 +0100
                                                            Re: C structure portability, naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-04 20:04 +0000
                                                            Re: C structure portability, naughty Python "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-05 13:25 +0100
                                                              Re: C structure portability, naughty Python scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-01-05 15:47 +0000
                                                              Re: C structure portability, naughty Python Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-05 21:45 +0000
                                                            Re: C structure portability, naughty Python John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-05 09:20 -0800
                                                              Re: C structure portability, naughty Python Niklas Karlsson <nikke.karlsson@gmail.com> - 2026-01-05 18:10 +0000
                                                                Re: C structure portability, naughty Python Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-05 21:45 +0000
                                                                  Re: C structure portability, naughty Python Niklas Karlsson <nikke.karlsson@gmail.com> - 2026-01-05 23:28 +0000
                                                                    Re: C structure portability, naughty Python Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-06 00:14 +0000
                                                                      Re: C structure portability, naughty Python Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-06 00:23 +0000
                                                                        Re: C structure portability, naughty Python Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-06 00:57 +0000
                                                                          Re: C structure portability, naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-06 06:24 +0000
                                                                            Re: C structure portability, naughty Python John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-06 08:14 -0800
                                                                              Re: C structure portability, naughty Python Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-06 18:57 +0000
                                                                                Re: C structure portability, naughty Python John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-06 11:03 -0800
                                                                                  Re: C structure portability, naughty Python Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-07 06:33 +0000
                                                                                    Re: C structure portability, naughty Python John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-07 09:00 -0800
                                                                                      Re: C structure portability, naughty Python Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-01-07 12:23 -0500
                                                                                        Re: C structure portability, naughty Python "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-08 14:01 +0100
                                                                                      Re: C structure portability, naughty Python Niklas Karlsson <nikke.karlsson@gmail.com> - 2026-01-07 20:55 +0000
                                                                                Re: C structure portability, naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-06 20:58 +0000
                                                                                Re: C structure portability, naughty Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-07 09:48 +0000
                                                                                  Re: C structure portability, naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-07 20:17 +0000
                                                                                    Re: C structure portability, naughty Python Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-08 04:57 +0000
                                                                      Re: C structure portability, naughty Python scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-01-06 15:29 +0000
                                                                    Re: C structure portability, naughty Python Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-01-06 06:21 -0500
                                                              Re: C structure portability, naughty Python scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-01-05 18:13 +0000
                                                              Re: C structure portability, naughty Python Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-05 18:16 +0000
                                                          Re: C structure portability, naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-04 19:48 +0000
                                                            Re: C structure portability, naughty Python "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-05 13:37 +0100
                                                          Re: C structure portability, naughty Python Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-04 21:17 +0000
                                                            Re: C structure portability, naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-05 04:01 +0000
                                                              Re: C structure portability, naughty Python Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-01-05 07:07 -0500
                                                      Re: C structure portability, naughty Python John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-05 11:05 -0800
                                                Re: C structure portability, naughty Python scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-01-03 18:32 +0000
                                          Re: naughty Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-02 19:38 +0000
                                          Re: naughty Python Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-02 21:33 +0000
                                            Re: naughty Python Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-02 15:00 -0700
                                              Re: naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-03 00:52 +0000
                                                Re: naughty Python Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-02 19:51 -0700
                                                  Re: naughty Python Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-03 06:09 +0000
                                                    Re: naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-03 20:38 +0000
                                                      Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-03 16:58 -0500
                                                        Re: naughty Python Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-04 08:01 -0700
                                                          Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-04 16:25 -0500
                                                            Re: naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-05 04:12 +0000
                                                      Re: naughty Python Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-01-04 07:14 -0500
                                                        Re: naughty Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-04 20:25 +0000
                                                      Re: naughty Python Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-04 07:59 -0700
                                                        Re: naughty Python Niklas Karlsson <nikke.karlsson@gmail.com> - 2026-01-04 16:31 +0000
                                                          Re: naughty Python Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-04 19:41 +0000
                                                            Re: naughty Python Niklas Karlsson <nikke.karlsson@gmail.com> - 2026-01-04 20:05 +0000
                                                            Re: naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-05 04:17 +0000
                                                              Re: naughty Python Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-05 05:57 +0000
                                                                Re: naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-05 19:20 +0000
                                                                  Re: naughty Python Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-01-05 17:35 -0500
                                                                    Re: naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-06 06:36 +0000
                                                          Re: naughty Python Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2026-01-06 03:31 +0000
                                                            Re: naughty Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-06 10:20 +0000
                                                              Case-dependant file systems Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2026-01-06 18:48 +0000
                                                                Re: Case-dependent file systems Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-06 22:02 +0000
                                                                  Re: Case-dependent file systems Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2026-01-07 00:27 +0000
                                                                    Re: Case-dependent file systems Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-07 02:09 +0000
                                                                      Re: Case-dependent file systems Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2026-01-07 14:18 +0000
                                                                        Re: Case-dependent file systems Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-07 20:40 +0000
                                                                        Re: Case-dependent file systems Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-07 22:23 +0000
                                                                        Re: Case-dependent file systems Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2026-01-10 14:36 +0000
                                                                          Re: Case-dependent file systems Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2026-01-10 14:53 +0000
                                                                          Re: Case-dependent file systems Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-10 15:08 +0000
                                                                          Re: Case-dependent file systems Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-11 02:00 +0000
                                                                            Re: Case-dependent file systems Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2026-01-11 14:34 +0000
                                                                              Re: Case-dependent file systems Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2026-01-11 16:14 +0000
                                                                                Re: Case-dependent file systems Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-11 20:31 +0000
                                                                                  Re: Case-dependent file systems Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2026-01-11 21:38 +0000
                                                                Re: Case-dependant file systems Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-06 23:09 +0000
                                                                Re: Case-dependant file systems "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-08 14:17 +0100
                                                                  Re: Case-dependant file systems The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-08 13:36 +0000
                                                                    Re: Case-dependant file systems Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2026-01-08 14:05 +0000
                                                                      Re: Case-dependant file systems Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2026-01-08 14:15 +0000
                                                                  Re: Case-dependant file systems Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-08 14:02 +0000
                                                                    Re: Case-dependant file systems Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2026-01-08 14:13 +0000
                                                                Re: Case-dependant file systems Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-08 22:12 +0000
                                                              Re: naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-06 21:08 +0000
                                            Re: C structures, was naughty Python John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-01-02 22:41 +0000
                                              Re: C structures, was naughty Python John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-01-02 15:44 -0800
                                  Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-02 02:19 -0500
                                Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-02 02:08 -0500
                          Re: naughty Python Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-02 02:18 +0000
                        Re: naughty Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-31 21:57 +0000
                          Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-31 20:07 -0500
                            Re: naughty Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-01 12:17 +0000
                              Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-02 00:06 -0500
                                Re: language design, naughty Python John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-01-02 18:30 +0000
                                  Re: language design, naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-02 15:15 -0500
                                    Re: language design, naughty Python John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-01-02 20:34 +0000
                                    Re: language design, naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-03 00:17 +0000
                                      Re: language design, naughty Python Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-01-03 07:11 -0500
                                        Re: language design, naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-03 19:46 +0000
                                          Re: language design, naughty Python Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-01-04 06:45 -0500
                  Re: naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-31 03:05 +0000
                    Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-30 23:42 -0500
                      Re: naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-31 07:55 +0000
                        Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-31 09:12 -0500
                          Re: naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-12-31 19:03 +0000
                            Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-31 14:50 -0500
                      Re: naughty Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-31 12:39 +0000
                        Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-31 09:21 -0500
                          Re: naughty Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-31 15:08 +0000
                            Re: naughty Python Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2025-12-31 15:38 +0000
                              Re: naughty Python Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-31 20:41 +0000
                                Re: naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-01 00:55 +0000
                                  Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-31 22:11 -0500
                                    Re: naughty Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-01 13:09 +0000
                                      The Egg (was: Re: naughty Python) vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> - 2026-01-02 01:54 +0000
                                    Re: naughty Python Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-02 02:18 +0000
                                      Re: naughty Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-02 11:10 +0000
                                        Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-02 06:39 -0500
                                          Re: naughty Python Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-02 07:51 -0700
                                        Re: naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-02 19:34 +0000
                                  Re: naughty Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-01 12:12 +0000
                              Re: naughty Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-31 22:17 +0000
                            Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-31 11:46 -0500
                              Re: naughty Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-31 22:28 +0000
                                Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-31 21:50 -0500
                                  Re: naughty Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-01 12:37 +0000
                                    Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-02 01:15 -0500
                                      Re: naughty Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-02 11:35 +0000
                                        Re: naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-02 20:02 +0000
                    Re: naughty Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-31 12:23 +0000
                      Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-12-31 09:16 -0500
                    Re: naughty Python antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-01-01 10:30 +0000
                      Re: naughty Python Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-01 19:00 +0000
                        Re: naughty Python Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-01 19:12 +0000
                          Re: naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-01 20:10 +0000
                            Re: naughty Python "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-01 21:37 +0100
                            Re: naughty Python Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-02 02:18 +0000
                              Re: naughty Python Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-02 03:23 +0000
                                Re: naughty Python Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-01-02 04:56 +0000
                              Re: naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-02 06:24 +0000
                              Re: naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-02 06:32 +0000
                                Re: naughty Python "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2026-01-02 13:06 +0000
                                  Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-02 09:41 -0500
                                    Electronic calculators "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-02 21:57 +0100
                                  Re: naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-02 19:36 +0000
                                    Re: naughty Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-02 19:57 +0000
                                      Re: naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-03 01:07 +0000
                                        Re: naughty Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-03 08:36 +0000
                                        Re: naughty Python antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-01-03 08:50 +0000
                                          Re: naughty Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-03 10:54 +0000
                                          Re: naughty Python Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-03 07:39 -0700
                                            Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-03 14:22 -0500
                                            Re: naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-03 20:14 +0000
                                              Re: naughty Python Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-04 07:57 -0700
                                Re: naughty Python scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-01-03 18:34 +0000
                              Re: naughty Python "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-02 21:47 +0100
                                Re: naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-03 00:27 +0000
                                  Re: naughty Python "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-03 14:24 +0100
                                    Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-03 14:08 -0500
                                      Re: naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-03 20:48 +0000
                          Re: naughty Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-01 21:01 +0000
                        Re: naughty Python antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-01-02 02:53 +0000
                          Re: naughty Python Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-02 03:24 +0000
                            Re: naughty Python antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-01-02 05:04 +0000
                            Re: naughty Python Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-02 13:15 +0000
                        Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-02 02:44 -0500
                          Re: naughty Python Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2026-01-02 07:43 -0700
                            Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-02 10:06 -0500
                        Re: naughty Python Niklas Karlsson <nikke.karlsson@gmail.com> - 2026-01-02 17:41 +0000
                          Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-02 15:04 -0500
                            Re: naughty Python Ian <${send-direct-email-to-news1021-at-jusme-dot-com-if-you-must}@jusme.com> - 2026-01-03 08:01 +0000
                          Re: naughty Python Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-02 20:56 +0000
                            Re: naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-03 00:44 +0000
                      Re: naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-01 20:05 +0000
                        Re: naughty Python antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-01-02 15:27 +0000
                          Re: naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-02 19:21 +0000
                            Re: naughty Python antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-01-03 02:12 +0000
                              Re: naughty Python Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-01-03 03:15 +0000
                          Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-02 14:25 -0500
                      Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-01 23:35 -0500
                        Re: naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-02 06:35 +0000
                        Re: naughty Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-02 11:13 +0000
                          Re: naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-02 19:46 +0000
                            Re: naughty Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-02 19:58 +0000
                              Re: naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-03 01:03 +0000
                                Re: naughty Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-01-03 08:34 +0000
                                  Re: naughty Python rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-01-03 20:54 +0000
                                    Re: naughty Python "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-01-04 15:19 +0100
                            Re: naughty Python c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-01-02 15:26 -0500
                  Re: naughty Python The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-12-31 12:17 +0000

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#80670 — Re: What is wrong with C? (and fond memories of VAX)

From"Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>
Date2026-01-07 13:30 +0100
SubjectRe: What is wrong with C? (and fond memories of VAX)
Message-ID<m7023mx6eh.ln2@Telcontar.valinor>
In reply to#80602
On 2026-01-06 19:57, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
> On 2026-01-06, Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> wrote:
> 
>> On 2026-01-06, Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> My C teacher said it was a mistake to use C as an all purpose language,
>>> like for userland applications. Using C is the cause of many bugs that a
>>> proper language would catch.
>>>
>>> That was around 1991.
>>>
>>> He knew. He participated in some study tasked by the Canadian government
>>> to study C compilers, but he could not talk about what they wrote.
> 
> What language(s) did he suggest instead?

I don't remember if he did. Maybe he told samples, but I think he mostly 
told us of quirks of the language, things that were errors, but that the 
compiler did not signal, so that we being aware we would write correct C 
code.

It is possible that current C compilers signal many more problems that 
back then, but not runtime errors.

I would have to seek my hand notes.

Mostly accessing variables beyond the end of it. Arrays or strings were 
the most blatant example.

  ...
-- 
Cheers, Carlos.
ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;

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#80711 — Re: What is wrong with C? (and fond memories of VAX)

Fromrbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Date2026-01-07 22:49 +0000
SubjectRe: What is wrong with C? (and fond memories of VAX)
Message-ID<ms867vFblsjU2@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#80670
On Wed, 7 Jan 2026 13:30:14 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote:

> On 2026-01-06 19:57, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>> On 2026-01-06, Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> On 2026-01-06, Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>> My C teacher said it was a mistake to use C as an all purpose
>>>> language, like for userland applications. Using C is the cause of
>>>> many bugs that a proper language would catch.
>>>>
>>>> That was around 1991.
>>>>
>>>> He knew. He participated in some study tasked by the Canadian
>>>> government to study C compilers, but he could not talk about what
>>>> they wrote.
>> 
>> What language(s) did he suggest instead?
> 
> I don't remember if he did. Maybe he told samples, but I think he mostly
> told us of quirks of the language, things that were errors, but that the
> compiler did not signal, so that we being aware we would write correct C
> code.
> 
> It is possible that current C compilers signal many more problems that
> back then, but not runtime errors.

gcc has become pickier. That isn't always a welcome thing when working 
with legacy code and requires a search of the compiler options to get it 
to shut up about such horrible heresies as assuming a function returns an 
int.





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#80728 — Re: What is wrong with C? (and fond memories of VAX)

Fromc186282 <c186282@nnada.net>
Date2026-01-08 00:47 -0500
SubjectRe: What is wrong with C? (and fond memories of VAX)
Message-ID<aB2cna01uNRz2cL0nZ2dnZfqnPadnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#80711
On 1/7/26 17:49, rbowman wrote:
> On Wed, 7 Jan 2026 13:30:14 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> 
>> On 2026-01-06 19:57, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>>> On 2026-01-06, Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2026-01-06, Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> My C teacher said it was a mistake to use C as an all purpose
>>>>> language, like for userland applications. Using C is the cause of
>>>>> many bugs that a proper language would catch.
>>>>>
>>>>> That was around 1991.
>>>>>
>>>>> He knew. He participated in some study tasked by the Canadian
>>>>> government to study C compilers, but he could not talk about what
>>>>> they wrote.
>>>
>>> What language(s) did he suggest instead?
>>
>> I don't remember if he did. Maybe he told samples, but I think he mostly
>> told us of quirks of the language, things that were errors, but that the
>> compiler did not signal, so that we being aware we would write correct C
>> code.
>>
>> It is possible that current C compilers signal many more problems that
>> back then, but not runtime errors.
> 
> gcc has become pickier. That isn't always a welcome thing when working
> with legacy code and requires a search of the compiler options to get it
> to shut up about such horrible heresies as assuming a function returns an
> int.

   Yea ... noticed this trend.

   I *suppose* it's "for the best" ... however .....

   Admit it ... people OFTEN write HORRIBLE code with
   all sorts of 'assumptions' and security-vulnerable
   stuff in there. It's probably why M$ has some major
   security prob listed every week .....

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#80734 — Re: What is wrong with C? (and fond memories of VAX)

FromThe Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Date2026-01-08 11:23 +0000
SubjectRe: What is wrong with C? (and fond memories of VAX)
Message-ID<10jo43o$1e3l8$4@dont-email.me>
In reply to#80711
On 07/01/2026 22:49, rbowman wrote:
> On Wed, 7 Jan 2026 13:30:14 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> 
>> On 2026-01-06 19:57, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>>> On 2026-01-06, Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2026-01-06, Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> My C teacher said it was a mistake to use C as an all purpose
>>>>> language, like for userland applications. Using C is the cause of
>>>>> many bugs that a proper language would catch.
>>>>>
>>>>> That was around 1991.
>>>>>
>>>>> He knew. He participated in some study tasked by the Canadian
>>>>> government to study C compilers, but he could not talk about what
>>>>> they wrote.
>>>
>>> What language(s) did he suggest instead?
>>
>> I don't remember if he did. Maybe he told samples, but I think he mostly
>> told us of quirks of the language, things that were errors, but that the
>> compiler did not signal, so that we being aware we would write correct C
>> code.
>>
>> It is possible that current C compilers signal many more problems that
>> back then, but not runtime errors.
> 
> gcc has become pickier. That isn't always a welcome thing when working
> with legacy code and requires a search of the compiler options to get it
> to shut up about such horrible heresies as assuming a function returns an
> int.
> 
> 
Actually I welcome that. at leats 10% of the time the compiler finds a 
bug that way, and the other 90% i upgrade the source to be more explicit...
> 
> 
> 
> 

-- 
The theory of Communism may be summed up in one sentence: Abolish all 
private property.

Karl Marx

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#80752 — Re: What is wrong with C? (and fond memories of VAX)

FromCharlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>
Date2026-01-08 19:16 +0000
SubjectRe: What is wrong with C? (and fond memories of VAX)
Message-ID<qoT7R.27032$hjM7.23661@fx07.iad>
In reply to#80734
On 2026-01-08, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> On 07/01/2026 22:49, rbowman wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 7 Jan 2026 13:30:14 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>> 
>>> It is possible that current C compilers signal many more problems that
>>> back then, but not runtime errors.
>> 
>> gcc has become pickier. That isn't always a welcome thing when working
>> with legacy code and requires a search of the compiler options to get it
>> to shut up about such horrible heresies as assuming a function returns an
>> int.
>> 
> Actually I welcome that. at leats 10% of the time the compiler finds a 
> bug that way, and the other 90% i upgrade the source to be more explicit...

+1

I re-worked my code over time so that -Wall yields no errors.
And then a new version of gcc comes out which picks even more
nits, and the process repeats.  Not being a quick-and-dirty
type, I consider it a win overall.

The one exception is its scrutiny of printf() calls.
That was a step too far, so I added -Wno-format-overflow.

-- 
/~\  Charlie Gibbs                  |  Growth for the sake of
\ /  <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>      |  growth is the ideology
 X   I'm really at ac.dekanfrus     |  of the cancer cell.
/ \  if you read it the right way.  |    -- Edward Abbey

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#80763 — Re: What is wrong with C? (and fond memories of VAX)

Fromrbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Date2026-01-08 20:34 +0000
SubjectRe: What is wrong with C? (and fond memories of VAX)
Message-ID<msain4Fns51U2@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#80752
On Thu, 08 Jan 2026 19:16:38 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:

> On 2026-01-08, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> 
>> On 07/01/2026 22:49, rbowman wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, 7 Jan 2026 13:30:14 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>> 
>>>> It is possible that current C compilers signal many more problems
>>>> that back then, but not runtime errors.
>>> 
>>> gcc has become pickier. That isn't always a welcome thing when working
>>> with legacy code and requires a search of the compiler options to get
>>> it to shut up about such horrible heresies as assuming a function
>>> returns an int.
>>> 
>> Actually I welcome that. at leats 10% of the time the compiler finds a
>> bug that way, and the other 90% i upgrade the source to be more
>> explicit...
> 
> +1
> 
> I re-worked my code over time so that -Wall yields no errors.
> And then a new version of gcc comes out which picks even more nits, and
> the process repeats.  Not being a quick-and-dirty type, I consider it a
> win overall.
> 
> The one exception is its scrutiny of printf() calls.
> That was a step too far, so I added -Wno-format-overflow.

It was never a good idea but the legacy code often defined a variable in 
a .h file. The newer gcc implementations would throw multiple definition 
errors. Fixing it would have been painful. foo.h that defined int bar; 
might be included in several different programs so you would have to hunt 
down all the uses and then define bar someplace in a .c file. 

Great project for the new guy but at the time the newest guy had been 
there for 20 years. Adding the compiler flag to the relevant makefiles was 
easier. 

The missing int return type in function definitions wasn't as widespread 
and an easier fix. It was sort of pedantic since the return usually wasn't 
being checked anyway.




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#80768 — Re: What is wrong with C? (and fond memories of VAX)

FromCharlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>
Date2026-01-08 22:45 +0000
SubjectRe: What is wrong with C? (and fond memories of VAX)
Message-ID<tsW7R.1654679$Pf33.1221646@fx18.iad>
In reply to#80763
On 2026-01-08, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

> It was never a good idea but the legacy code often defined a variable in 
> a .h file. The newer gcc implementations would throw multiple definition 
> errors. Fixing it would have been painful. foo.h that defined int bar; 
> might be included in several different programs so you would have to hunt 
> down all the uses and then define bar someplace in a .c file. 
>
> Great project for the new guy but at the time the newest guy had been 
> there for 20 years. Adding the compiler flag to the relevant makefiles was 
> easier. 

In multi-module programs I define my globals in a .h file as follows:

common.h
--------
#ifdef PRIMARY
#define GLOBAL
#else
#define GLOBAL extern
#endif

foo.h
-----
#include "common.h"
GLOBAL int foo;

foo1.c
------
#define PRIMARY
#include "foo.h"
int main(int argc, char **argv)
{
    setfoo();
    printf("foo is %d\n", foo);
    exit(0);
}

foo2.c
------
#include "foo.h"
void setfoo()
{
    foo = 5;
}

It works for me; I like having only one declaration of "foo"
in my source modules.

-- 
/~\  Charlie Gibbs                  |  Growth for the sake of
\ /  <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>      |  growth is the ideology
 X   I'm really at ac.dekanfrus     |  of the cancer cell.
/ \  if you read it the right way.  |    -- Edward Abbey

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#80772 — Re: What is wrong with C? (and fond memories of VAX)

Fromsean@conman.org
Date2026-01-09 00:23 +0000
SubjectRe: What is wrong with C? (and fond memories of VAX)
Message-ID<10jphqh$1uvg0$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#80768
In alt.folklore.computers Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote:
> In multi-module programs I define my globals in a .h file as follows:
> 
> common.h
> --------
> #ifdef PRIMARY
> #define GLOBAL
> #else
> #define GLOBAL extern
> #endif
> 
> foo.h
> -----
> #include "common.h"
> GLOBAL int foo;
> 
> foo1.c
> ------
> #define PRIMARY
> #include "foo.h"
> int main(int argc, char **argv)
> {
>     setfoo();
>     printf("foo is %d\n", foo);
>     exit(0);
> }
> 
> foo2.c
> ------
> #include "foo.h"
> void setfoo()
> {
>     foo = 5;
> }
> 
> It works for me; I like having only one declaration of "foo"
> in my source modules.

  I used to do that, and I eventually didn't like it.  I then switched to
declaring all my global variables in one file:

globals.c
--------

int         c_maxitems;
char const *c_name = "Blah de blah blah";
int         g_foo;

  This file will also contain the code to set global variables that I
consider "constant" (the variables that start with "c_").  This allows them
to be set at program start up.  Then the include file:

globals.h
---------

extern int  const        c_maxitems;
extern char const *const c_name;
extern int               g_foo;

extern int global_init(int,char *[]);

Note:  "globals.c" will never include "gloabls.h".  Oh, and the weird const
placement?  That avoid the that weird C-spiral rule.  The way I use "const"
these days means it applies to the thing on the right:

	char       *      p; // mutable pointer to mutable char
	char const *      q; // mutable pointer to constant char
	char       *const r; // constant pointer to mutable char
	char const *const s; // constant pointer to constant char

  Recently, I've been writing code with no global variables.  It's been a
fun experiment.

  -spc (Why yes, I do have a structure that gets passed to every function,
	why do you ask?)

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#80793 — Re: What is wrong with C? (and fond memories of VAX)

FromLawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid>
Date2026-01-09 04:54 +0000
SubjectRe: What is wrong with C? (and fond memories of VAX)
Message-ID<10jq1n0$22pc8$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#80772
On Fri, 9 Jan 2026 00:23:45 -0000 (UTC), sean wrote:

> Recently, I've been writing code with no global variables. It's been
> a fun experiment.

When I started looking at the Blender source code, I came across these
global variables called “G” and “C”. They contained context relating
to the currently-open document.

Finding out where they were defined, across over a million lines of
source code, was a fun exercise. I learned somethings about ctags
along the way ...

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#80801 — Re: What is wrong with C? (and fond memories of VAX)

Fromrbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Date2026-01-09 07:08 +0000
SubjectRe: What is wrong with C? (and fond memories of VAX)
Message-ID<msbnrmFtd0nU5@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#80793
On Fri, 9 Jan 2026 04:54:56 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:

> Finding out where they were defined, across over a million lines of
> source code, was a fun exercise. I learned somethings about ctags along
> the way ...

I prefer cscope but each to their own. Either integrates nicely with vim.

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#80815 — Re: What is wrong with C? (and fond memories of VAX)

Fromscott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
Date2026-01-09 16:18 +0000
SubjectRe: What is wrong with C? (and fond memories of VAX)
Message-ID<TT98R.944797$PGrb.609120@fx10.iad>
In reply to#80768
Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> writes:
>On 2026-01-08, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
>
>> It was never a good idea but the legacy code often defined a variable in 
>> a .h file. The newer gcc implementations would throw multiple definition 
>> errors. Fixing it would have been painful. foo.h that defined int bar; 
>> might be included in several different programs so you would have to hunt 
>> down all the uses and then define bar someplace in a .c file. 
>>
>> Great project for the new guy but at the time the newest guy had been 
>> there for 20 years. Adding the compiler flag to the relevant makefiles was 
>> easier. 
>
>In multi-module programs I define my globals in a .h file as follows:
>
>common.h
>--------
>#ifdef PRIMARY
>#define GLOBAL
>#else
>#define GLOBAL extern
>#endif

Canonically speaking, one uses an 'include guard' to ensure that
a header file is only included once.

Typically

common.h
-------
#if !defined(__common_h__)
#define __common_h__

  <header file content>

#endif

In modern C/C++ you can also  do this with a single line in the header file

#pragma once

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#80989 — Re: What is wrong with C? (and fond memories of VAX)

From"Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>
Date2026-01-12 15:44 +0100
SubjectRe: What is wrong with C? (and fond memories of VAX)
Message-ID<80ef3mxu5i.ln2@Telcontar.valinor>
In reply to#80711
On 2026-01-07 23:49, rbowman wrote:
> On Wed, 7 Jan 2026 13:30:14 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> 
>> On 2026-01-06 19:57, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>>> On 2026-01-06, Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2026-01-06, Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> My C teacher said it was a mistake to use C as an all purpose
>>>>> language, like for userland applications. Using C is the cause of
>>>>> many bugs that a proper language would catch.
>>>>>
>>>>> That was around 1991.
>>>>>
>>>>> He knew. He participated in some study tasked by the Canadian
>>>>> government to study C compilers, but he could not talk about what
>>>>> they wrote.
>>>
>>> What language(s) did he suggest instead?
>>
>> I don't remember if he did. Maybe he told samples, but I think he mostly
>> told us of quirks of the language, things that were errors, but that the
>> compiler did not signal, so that we being aware we would write correct C
>> code.
>>
>> It is possible that current C compilers signal many more problems that
>> back then, but not runtime errors.
> 
> gcc has become pickier. That isn't always a welcome thing when working
> with legacy code and requires a search of the compiler options to get it
> to shut up about such horrible heresies as assuming a function returns an
> int.

If the code were mine, I would correct the code. Even back then, I did 
not take the assumption that a function would return an integer :-D

I wrote explicit prototypes in the header file. :-)


If the code is not mine, I would use the compiler options instead. 
Unless I got paid to maintain that code, then I would correct the code.

-- 
Cheers, Carlos.
ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;

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#81003 — Re: What is wrong with C? (and fond memories of VAX)

Fromrbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Date2026-01-12 18:57 +0000
SubjectRe: What is wrong with C? (and fond memories of VAX)
Message-ID<mskughFfmrkU6@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#80989
On Mon, 12 Jan 2026 15:44:56 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote:


> If the code is not mine, I would use the compiler options instead.
> Unless I got paid to maintain that code, then I would correct the code.

When you have a few hundred thousand lines of legacy code you choose your 
battles. Fixing emergent bugs and adding new functionality trumps hunting 
down stuff the most recent gcc whines about if there is a handy compiler 
flag.

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#81010 — Re: What is wrong with C? (and fond memories of VAX)

FromLawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid>
Date2026-01-12 19:59 +0000
SubjectRe: What is wrong with C? (and fond memories of VAX)
Message-ID<10k3jr2$2josb$3@dont-email.me>
In reply to#80989
On Mon, 12 Jan 2026 15:44:56 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote:

> If the code were mine, I would correct the code. Even back then, I
> did not take the assumption that a function would return an integer
> :-D

That’s why they call it “technical debt”. And yes, like any debt, it
incurs interest -- compound interest, even ...

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#81068 — Re: What is wrong with C? (and fond memories of VAX)

FromChris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us>
Date2026-01-13 06:13 -0500
SubjectRe: What is wrong with C? (and fond memories of VAX)
Message-ID<10k59dg$32hfm$4@dont-email.me>
In reply to#80989
Carlos E.R. wrote this post by blinking in Morse code:

> On 2026-01-07 23:49, rbowman wrote:
>> 
>>> On 2026-01-06 19:57, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>>>
>>> <snip>
>>>
>>> It is possible that current C compilers signal many more problems that
>>> back then, but not runtime errors.

Gcc will tag things that could cause a run-time error, such as
parameters that don't match the specifiers in a printf() call.

>> gcc has become pickier. That isn't always a welcome thing when working
>> with legacy code and requires a search of the compiler options to get it
>> to shut up about such horrible heresies as assuming a function returns an
>> int.

I periodically also build projects using clang. Clang and gcc each
catch some problems that the other does not catch.

> If the code were mine, I would correct the code. Even back then, I did 
> not take the assumption that a function would return an integer :-D
>
> I wrote explicit prototypes in the header file. :-)
>
> If the code is not mine, I would use the compiler options instead. 
> Unless I got paid to maintain that code, then I would correct the code.

Don't fix what ain't broke, you might break it [1] :-D

[1] I'm speaking from experience.

-- 
You can observe a lot just by watching.  -- Yogi Berra

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#81086 — Re: What is wrong with C? (and fond memories of VAX)

Fromrbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Date2026-01-13 18:22 +0000
SubjectRe: What is wrong with C? (and fond memories of VAX)
Message-ID<msngqsFsqh9U4@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#81068
On Tue, 13 Jan 2026 06:13:51 -0500, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

> Don't fix what ain't broke, you might break it [1] :-D
> 
> [1] I'm speaking from experience.

No kidding. I fixed an obvious bug and it didn't go over well with the 
sites. They had found the bug and exploited it to assign the same unit to 
two or more calls at once. There was the possibility of system instability 
that would require a support person to untangle it but it *usually* 
worked.

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#80593 — Re: Naughty C♯

FromThe Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Date2026-01-06 17:17 +0000
SubjectRe: Naughty C♯
Message-ID<10jjg33$5l5$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#80576
On 06/01/2026 12:36, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> On 2026-01-05 19:09, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>> On 05/01/2026 17:48, rbowman wrote:
>>> The C changes over the years like being able to declare variables where
>>> they are first used and single line comments were something I greeted 
>>> with
>>> "Hell yeah!" rather than "What CS PhD dreamed this crap up?"
>>
>> Spot on.
>>
>> C is enough to do the job and simple to learn. Why complicate shit?
>>
> 
> My C teacher said it was a mistake to use C as an all purpose language, 
> like for userland applications. Using C is the cause of many bugs that a 
> proper language would catch.
> 
> That was around 1991.
> 
> He knew. 

How to make mistakes, but not to program defensively

You don't treat a chainsaw like a palette knife for cake icing.


>He participated in some study tasked by the Canadian government 
> to study C compilers, but he could not talk about what they wrote.
> 

Mostly bollocks then...

-- 
“Puritanism: The haunting fear that someone, somewhere, may be happy.”

H.L. Mencken, A Mencken Chrestomathy

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#80603 — Re: Naughty C♯

Fromrbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Date2026-01-06 18:59 +0000
SubjectRe: Naughty C♯
Message-ID<ms54ciFqgiaU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#80576
On Tue, 6 Jan 2026 13:36:18 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote:

> On 2026-01-05 19:09, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>> On 05/01/2026 17:48, rbowman wrote:
>>> The C changes over the years like being able to declare variables
>>> where they are first used and single line comments were something I
>>> greeted with "Hell yeah!" rather than "What CS PhD dreamed this crap
>>> up?"
>> 
>> Spot on.
>> 
>> C is enough to do the job and simple to learn. Why complicate shit?
>> 
>> 
> My C teacher said it was a mistake to use C as an all purpose language,
> like for userland applications. Using C is the cause of many bugs that a
> proper language would catch.
> 
> That was around 1991.
> 
> He knew. He participated in some study tasked by the Canadian government
> to study C compilers, but he could not talk about what they wrote.

otoh, consider the amount of code written in C. The Win32 API is C as is 
Gtk. CPython, as you might expect, is Largely written in C.

Don't confuse a language binding for an API with the native code. That 
brings up the question of whether a a binding like gtkmm (gtk--) for the C 
code in Gtk may introduce errors. 

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#80502 — Re: Naughty C♯

FromThe Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Date2026-01-05 11:26 +0000
SubjectRe: Naughty C♯
Message-ID<10jg757$2ph61$4@dont-email.me>
In reply to#80491
On 05/01/2026 00:04, c186282 wrote:
> plain 'C' has     so far met all my needs.

ditto.

-- 
"Socialist governments traditionally do make a financial mess. They 
always run out of other people's money. It's quite a characteristic of them"

Margaret Thatcher

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#80494 — Re: Naughty C♯

Fromrbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Date2026-01-05 03:34 +0000
SubjectRe: Naughty C♯
Message-ID<ms0pq7F48eqU2@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#80488
On Sun, 4 Jan 2026 21:18:51 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:

> On Sun, 04 Jan 2026 19:41:11 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
> 
>> Does C# qualify as a Microsoft proprietary language? Or are there
>> implementations on OSes other than Windows (and compilers, either open
>> source or available from other vendors)?
> 
> The only implementation I’m aware of is Microsoft’s one built on top of
> Dotnet.
> 
> Dotnet itself is supposedly open-source and portable to some degree now.
> There are reports of it running on Linux.

It definitely runs on Linux and is easily installed with dnf or apt. GUIs 
have been problematic but console and ASP.NET workks fine.

https://dotnet.microsoft.com/en-us/apps/aspnet

This isn't Ballmer's Microsoft. 

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